Roland, please fix this bug!
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2023
- In this video I ask Roland to fix the resample bug. I've updated to version 3.0.1 and sadly this still doesn't seem to have been sorted out!
I also show a couple of features of resample that I really dig! I hope this was an informative and fun watch. More SP404-MK2 content coming soon...
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this device is the most frustrating piece of gear i love
Yo! I'm glad it's not me. I've only had it for about a week, busy w/ work & life shit, but finally figured out how to sample via external source. Tried to make a beat & this is what's happening to me too. I was seriously questioning my skills 30 years in. Thanks for this vid.
It's the same with the MPC 1000. Not sure why it happens, but there's probably an explanation for it 😅
Idk, I think it's on purpose. Even if it is a bug. I do like to use it to copy samples (ie. vocals) and adjust one of the copies to be slightly delayed and pad link the samples together to create a doubled sample. It's really dope
was thinking the same actually, it's really good to have ability to add some delay there just for a groove
If you ever cut the beginning of a sample too much and it plays slightly ahead of time re sampling and moving the start point back slightly is really handy, I hope they keep this feature lol.
Great vidz they’ve been a big help 👍
Yeah not sure if it 100% is a bug so it could stay 😁👍
Im glad I have subbed, you are the best channel out there for 404 tips and news. thank you for making videos and helping me learn the 404sx :)
Appreciate it! Means a lot 🙏
Just wanted to say that your videos have been a huge help these last couple of days with me moving from an sp404-OG to the mk2. It felt comfortable enough to use on day 3, that i just used it at a 5 hour dj gig instead of using CDJs, a thought foreign to my old OG. Thanks a bunch for the hard work you put into great and understandable tutorials dude. Much love.
nicee I am thinking of carrying mine to a dj set i will play in a couple of hours, for effects mainly. Although I have used only the sp404 for another dj set and it worked great, actually had more fun than with cdjs yet I still need to get more used to the DJ mode , any particular way you used the sp404 for the 5 hour set? did you used it in Dj mode or in sample mode?
So glad to help 🙏🙌
@@angelomedi dj mode, and i had a lot of use using remain button+effects for doing transitions, add the effect and press remain+same effect button to go back to the mixer where you can mix a new track in with the effect on. I also changed the resonater effect button to have the back spin instead which was very useful for those sloppy backspin transitions 😄
I noticed that thought it was just me lol
I wish there was a way to select the same starting point and trim that amount before the audio starts. Just like we can select an entire bank while adjusting envelope, would be neat to have that adjustment for starting points and measurements for an entire bank.
OMG yes! This drives me mad. It really needs fixing, especially for importing pads/samples to SD card to then use elsewhere
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Absolutely! In the beginning I always wondered why my resampled patterns wouldn't loop perfectly in a DAW, until I saw that little dead space on the SP... At least the start point is set right after resampling but still... Quite annoying
SP great video! I have wondered this myself
yeah man totally feeling that friday! nasty bug that, especially for those that export their stems... thanks for reminding me to get 3.1 will dl it now!
Nice man, hope you have a good one! I've not noticed much difference yet but its always good to be on the latest version
Yess roland please do!
Thank you for posting this! I do find that sometimes the start point still includes some dead space for me. I thought this might be because the volume is to low to show the waveform but when I normalize the sample I still have extra dead space in front of the start point. It kills my motivation to use the SP sometimes and I just want to jump back to my MPC.
Yeah its a pain! As others have mentioned it could be designed that way. If thats the case I would like to see an option to turn it off
I hadn't had a problem with this up until the last few days working with it! Haha. It's not been a huge issue, but I see it now. Take a little editing to get it dead on when it's an audio performance that I'm adding as a 4-8 bar clip, but it's not so bad.
I feel like there are times I can use that extra space. Not on loops, but on hits that I’m trying to process with an effect. I’m not sure it’s fully a bug.
Yeah from the other comments as well I'm starting to agree, there could be a use for it I guess but I think skip-back could handle that sort of thing if you wanted some space before your sample. I think if its on purpose an option to turn it off could be the way forward!
Yeah this is a thing. I think they left it in in case the sample begins earlier or later than expected to leave some wiggle room for tweaking after recording. It's annoying, but it would actually be useful if one had the ability to shift both the start and end points simultaneously while keeping the length of the sample fixed. Otherwise it's just an annoying quirk.
Yeah or from reading the comments I've realised it could be on purpose, could be cool to have the option to turn it off maybe
I would love to see your mastering process :)
One for the list 👍
I like the extra space I use that space for when I pan the same sample L/R and shift the start back on one slightly and get that width. Also makes it easy if you want to add a late feeling to a snare or somn, just add some space at the start of the sample
Yeah thats something thats been pointed out in other comments and I do agree although I think skip-back could be used for that really easily
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Thank you for this and all your other videos. Playing devils advocate, what if you want the initial silence when you’re ramping for a one shot? Then it makes sense. It’s easy enough to truncate but it’s not so easy to add silence before your recording after the fact.
I personally think that is easily covered with skipback but yeah. A lot of people have said the same here and it kinda makes sense 👍
@@spvidz one feature I think can be a game changer would be live looper functionality. Basically recording and playing loops live without any disruption. I don’t think it would be too much work for Roland to pull it off. What do you think?
I've been bitching about this bug forever it seems like. Otherwise a perfect unit.
Would there be a case for Roland putting that space in case the user wants to adjust back the start point for timing? if that is the case maybe they could add an option on the record menu to turn it off.
Thats a possibility yeah. It could be good for sloppy drums
Maybe the dead space gives you the option of negatively offsetting the sample start time.
Seems like that’s the general vibe here in comments yeah but I think it’s pretty easy to do that with skip-back if you needed it
It might give you that option but I don't know if that's the reason for this "feature". I feel like it's not intentional, especially since they fixed the dead space somewhere else
@@rorz999 Is it frustrating because it’s taking up storage space.
@@spvidz I’m more familiar with the MPC. It has dedicated offsets per pad. I’ve never needed a negative offset, but the option is there so maybe it’s useful in cases.
On the flip side, this makes me think: what if Roland allowed US mortals to add deadspace before or after a sample? Ooooooh. Ahhhh. Wowaweewaa. 😁 (Not sure of the use case. But maybe?)
You can add dead space with skip-back pretty easily so I don't really see the need for it being a feature on samples like this!
What's the issue with it? The start point is still right. I think it's probably some sort of flexibility feature thing like if you want to go back and fade it from the empty space or something using the envelope
That is possible yeah, I just find it hella annoying. I think if it is on purpose there could be an option to turn it off
Correct me if I'm wrong because i don't own an sp but im gonna go ahead and guess it's too do with an issue when exporting stems, when you export each stem, they will probably export with varying amounts of dead space, meaning each stem will be out of time with one another
I hope that makes sense, im not the best at explaining
The issue is that when you export samples or stems, the dead space is there
@@spvidz Yeah definitely agree
Also, if you resample a pad more than once, the volume decreases each time.
I’ll have a look into that on my machine
This can be avoided if you set your Bank volumes to full. That way they won’t decrease in volume--I had this issue as well
@@spvidz the problem went away after I turned the power off and on again. 🤷🏽♂️
Tras un par de meses usando la SP mk2, hoy decidí exportar mis instrumentales y me estoy topando exactamente con este problema, es un horrible bug, me está sucediendo en este momento, realice la copia de un pattern a sample para extraer los STEMS por secciones y al montarlos en el PC están desalineados y se siente muy diferente el ritmo, así que revisando acabo de notar el espacio muerto en los samples, aunque en la SP los reproduce bien porque los tiene "seleccionados" al exportar estos samples se van con todo el espacio muerto y nunca encajan en un editor multipista :( Estoy borrando hueco por hueco
😢 hopefully it will be fixed soon. Salutations!
my bug is when i resample. i can hear the metronome in the new sample even without the mic on. so not getting a clean resample. also the resamples are quiter. and my bank settings are not set quite either as most suggest is the issue. im at a loss to what the problem. try resample with metro on and listen out for it .
Will try that 🤔
Isn't it there in case you want a little space to start the sound late?
Could be yeah but if you wanted that, its pretty easy to grab a sample with some space using skip back
@@spvidz on old samplers with no internal resample or skipback function you had to just sample your vinyl with some air in front of a sample start and chop samples leaving air aswell air..so you could adjust start and and points during sequencing to your "groove taste " next to using Swing Quantise and note shifts. At least that's Pete Rock approach on SP1200 and Dilla as well who started on SP1200 than moved to MPC3000 where he really perfected that approach. But Dilla was always fascinated by real drummers so he tried to imitate the " human" imperfect swing. Just my 2 cents
It lets you add microtiming on drum hits!
True but I think skip-back can very easily handle dead space! I'd like to see an option to turn it off or on
the fact that you have stop after recording a loop instead of ... looping is pretty hard to swallow
Quick question, is there a way yet to copy/transfer samples between projects
Like copy sample from one pad to another, but use Ctrl knob 3 to select project. OVERWRITES the destination, so be careful.
Page 56 in the manual, version 3.0
Thanks @Sam that’s exactly it yeah. Or a hack way is to use skip back. Play the sample, switch projects then jump into skipback and grab it from there. The new copy across projects feature is great though
Interesting. Never thought of the hack method. A little bit safer. Nevertheless, you can copy whole banks over with the first method. Even MORE dangerous.
Risky business yeah haha
Mine doesn't have that cap, just tested. Threshold maybe?
What so you don't get the dead space at all? Strange if so as I'm on the latest software version and other comments are mentioning it too 🤔
I’m having an issue where the waveform is not showing up sometimes. Just a flat line.
That’s very odd. Can you still hear it and are you on the latest software?
This has happened to me a few times. I can still hear the sample but there's no visible waveform. Turning the SP off and on again fixes it for me. No idea why it happens
Yeah, can still hear it and edit it. Just had a look at website there, I’m still on 3.0. I’ll update to 3.01. 😎👍
I didn’t update but I’ve just realised that it only happens when I’m sampling through my Mixars dj mixer. 🤔
Congrats on 404 videos haha
Haha no way. Thanks man! 🙌
Am I high as shit or couldnt we already resample with the metronome? I'm actually very certain we could am I missing something new?
No I’ve just seen a few comments recently that people didn’t know about the count in and metronome so just drawing some attention to it
@@spvidz that's good forsure. No complaints just tripped me out
i always thought there's got to be some logical reason that space is there
Possibly is yeah. I think it would be nice to have the option to turn it off maybe
Roland WE NEED NON DESTRUCTIVE SAMPLE CHOPS 🤦🏿♂️ and more than 16 sample chops Dam , they still giving us 16 chops like the MC 909 and Fantom X from 2003 it’s 2023 Dam
lol that’s pretty wild when you think of it like that 😂
I'm confused as to why this is such a big problem. When you start to use the sample it references the start point, not the space at the beginning. As someone whose been making beats for 20+ years, on just about every style of sampler there is, this is not an issue and I often adjust the space at the beginning of a sample to get a certain feel out of it. Hi hats for example. Also all you have to do is push in the encoder and hit truncate, if knowing that the space is there is such a bother. I find it hard to believe that anyone can make beats on this machine, with the constant retriggering of the sample every time you touch the start, end, or loop knobs. I get it if you always work alone and have gotten used to the hideous glitch, but I work in a studio with other people quite often and thats a no go. That would certainly be the number 1 problem with this machine. I keep waiting for someone to bring it up, but I guess most people don't notice that its not supposed to be like that.
I actually have mentioned that before and don't particularly like it either. My solution was to have an option to turn that off (can't remember now but at the time people made a case for having it on there so the option was the best solution). As for the first issue, I just like to have my samples butted up and truncated , especially one shots if I wanted to use them on other devices for example. Its ok for one or two maybe but imagine having to truncate 10,20, 30 drum sounds you'd put together. Its a minor gripe but I'd just like to see it fixed or have the option
@@spvidz Could you not use the app on the computer to truncate them quicker, when you have that many samples? Might even allow you to select more than one samples at the same time, though I haven't check that.
@@kellerglee how would using the app to truncate the sample be faster? Just don't understand how that would be the case. And I feel like the point of resampling is for the machine to automatically create perfect loop, I feel that should be the expectation from us. If you want an extra Gap in the front of it maybe there should be a setting where you can turn that on rather than something you have to turn off.
@@donnydarko7624 I agree that best would be to have it turned on/off according to your preference, but I was responding to SPVIDZ's particular case of truncating 10, 20 or 30 drum sounds to be used elsewhere. As far as I understand this extra space ahead of the samples does not affect the workflow on the SP-404 itself, as the start point is at the right moment. You can see people making use of it in various ways in this comment section. So my point was that in case you want to export dozens of samples, you'd need to use the computer anyway, and that's why it could potentially be faster. Especially if it lets you truncate more than one at the same time.
@@kellerglee yeah but because you're resampling something doesn't mean you are about to explore it a bunch of samples to your d a w or save stuff to your hard drive at that moment. I guess if the space in front of the sample is exactly the same every time, it wouldn't be that hard to implement batch truncating. Either way though I feel that if it is a feature and not a bug the default setting should be off, not on because I feel more often than not most people are going to want to read sample to create perfect loops.