RuneScape's Polls Were Rigged - A Theory (OSRS)
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- The topic of revenant caves being removed has become popular among the OSRS community in recent days. What if I told you the rev caves shouldn't even be in RuneScape in the first place? This is how one clan rigged RuneScape's entire poll system.
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Never wanted revs in the game. They’ve always been broken and they reward toxic players / gold farmers. Literally makes no sense why we still have them.
My man, get that inferno cape
Legend
I hope by toxic players you don't mean pkers as a whole
@@GL-KO-GF i hope so too
Shit hi captain.
As someone who does data/statistical collection and analyses professionally, I can confidently say that the people at Jagex in charge of writing the polls have no clue what they are doing. There have been so many instances of leading questions and confusing verbiage that skew polls one direction or another. There was also the one instance I remember when they polled to make magic icons larger in your window if you filtered certain magic spells out. This passed once, and for some reason, they re-polled it. It passed again, and for some reason they re-polled it a THIRD time. It finally failed on the third poll and they then were satisfied and ceased polling it. They desperately need someone who understands data collection methods to join the team. You should do a video based around that, I'd be happy to help analyze their poll questions with you.
Fuckin A my friend, love to see that too
They're not dumb. It's just that them and their managers have an agenda, like any business. Only maybe ~10-25% of the employees total even played in say 2007-2008 or earlier.
Real annoying that you can't change a vote once it has been cast as well. You might realize immediately after the fact that you misunderstood the polling question and wish you change it. Like I voted against starting dragon slayer being a requirement to wear an anti-dragon shield because I thought it had said the completion of the quest which would have been a really bad idea.
@@nicholasbrassard3512 Apparently the percentage of game revenue that gets reinvested is in the single percentage digits. Jagex employees get paid pennies on the dollar the game and company makes. Recently a youtuber has made a video revealing a persistent RWT issue occuring at the duel arena that Jagex keeps ignoring, hinting at corruption within the mods.
@@Dean..... is not
"Runescape's polls were rigged"
First time?
always knew and had that feeling but people ingame laugh at my ingame when i say it's 100% rigged..
@@joregvds967 it's been like this for years :P
If polls were rigged we definitely would have seen the implementation of warding
@@andrewv2782 unless the polls were rigged against warding
@@andrewv2782 and sailing.
I'd love another corrupt mod video!
All of them except Ash
@@ikes123 bless god ash
I’d love to see revs all over the wilderness randomly, like imps in all non wildy areas. But just more common than imps
The days when revs attacked clan wars in the wildy
Matthew Vektrax bro sometimes the revs would follow each other and team up on players! Good times
꧁ ꧂ that fucking ice barrage sound. And then your heart drops 😂
I've always wanted to kill revenants but with the protection clans in place and really pkers going nowhere else I have yet to dare...
I’m in same boat specially being mid level I would get one shotted
same
I tried the caves on a Rev task and it went horribly. I got PK 3 times in about 15 kills. There is no reacting to it either because you get hit with 3 or 4 dark bow specs before you even see them coming.
The really stupid part is that even tho I've had a terrible time the few times I've gone, I still made a decent chunk of money. Like you'll be in a terrible mood and just had to tele out 3 times in a row but then first drop u get D Legs, and all of a sudden I'm tempted to keep going lol
Join the “community pk” cc if you have 1500 total and just do it skulled with a rcb and a salve EI as your plus 1. Your in a protected world without having to pay anything, you just can’t use a bp, mace or craw. Still at least 2m an hour depending on circumstances
I remember being so afraid of the roaming revenants in the wild
me too. i dreaded it every time i had a hard clue scroll that took me in the wildy.
If they do roaming revs, they have to be unaggressive. They were meant as a PK replacement. Having both is just absurd.
@@Kmn483
That'd make wilderness metal af tho :P
Being scattered around in the wilderness would be a good idea. It would bring life to some dead parts of the Wildy
That’s how they used to be
RuneScape is basically just one big empty world anyway except in places where people gather.
@@jont2576 everything is empty except for places where things gather, that's literally the definition
Hmmmh yes and no. They wont be good money makers anymore then. (which is a good thing in my opinion) but that means pkers and players wont be attracted to kill them. Plus it will likely make already annoying to kill wildy bosses even worse. Honestly, removing revs should go hand in hand with updated wilderness bosses imho.
not to mention how much the price of rev items up. its a win win
The fact that it's been this way for so long even though the issue has been raised many times makes me think more Jmods than just Jed are complicit...
100% my man, and some other polls j mods wanted might be rigged aswell, it's a scary thing to think about osrs. j mods literally doing what they want and think it's right, also the elf change with sote is kinda sad too.
Without a doubt. The game is rigged, not necessarily individuals. It's always about money. In game money means real world money. The fact that so many rwt sites still exist and jagex turns a blind eye to most individual players rwting says enough to me. This facilitates so many scummy activities. From bh in its current state to revs.
Of course it's more than just Jed, you seen their salaries? Not the first time either, the climbing boots update pre-eoc was retarded and made no sense.
Vicious circle its shit for people who play legit
I feel like pking clans started a pyramid scheme with those rev's protection lol
They're running a protection racket, which is nothing like a pyramid scheme.
It's actually called a "Racket" aka, you create a problem and then sell the solution.
I feel like you don’t know what a pyramid scheme is
Jagex started pyramid*
@sirpugger you can't have revs just wandering the wilderness because 10hp kempq builds will get wrecked by them, please jagex add something f2p fun at low lvl wilderness where you can skill but has multi pk or a high pvp risk
You should make a video about how the poll to make "rares" common was also rigged by jagex. The poll was worded in such a way it confused many people, they also split it into several options guaranteeing a failure.
If you look at threads from back then tho it seems like (almost) nobody wanted them to be rare. What was the poll number for that question?
I think it's cool idea and they must replace it if they remove it or expand it make it bigger, it's fun for the clans don't ruin there fun jagex please find a similar replacement? Maybe lower lvl wildy?Still some bosses but slightly Better for skillers? Make a f2p area with good loot low lvl pvp but make the area like revs so more f2p people won't quit?
Remove pmod system what other game company can you quit and still do work for the game company, if there was no player trading, the pmod system would be pointless to abuse, which would be a terrible game change lol but, its high risk from a financial standpoint as a company to have any kind of person even if you know them, working on your game who isn't in your building with you is not very strategic in terms of long term strategy to make money and a fair game, trusting people is a double edged sword, always, especially if you lose players because of bad pmods
@@samueljackson3512 shit everyone has one making them rare non helps add a slight gold sync in the future. and its cool having a item you know won't drop again, make it fun to have it now they are just thing that chill in the bank as a relic of old.
Worst mistake. Having rares made everything worth more and made people play more.
I remember running essences as a kiddo together with my brother, we thought we found the easiest and best moneymaker ever, being so hyped while running back and forth to the bank, great memories :-)
LMAOOoOoOoOoO
Simpler times my friend
Still remember back in the day when essence was like 30 each. Haha
@@jtcenteno1994 mining essence was my source of income back in the day... XD
i dont even do revenants because of all the bs that goes on there
Rev caves need to go. I've always disliked how they forced all the action in the wilderness to one location.
Idk man, people doing clues and pvming already cry a lot about being “killed for nothing” in a part of the game that is meant to put you at great risk of death. Clowns man
Yeah man,i have never even actually gone into the rev caves,I'd like to,but im not getting pk'd
No, that's fine. But the issue is RWT and ragging.
boo hoo you have to go into the wilderness to make good money where it’s high risk high reward, do you want to be wrapped in bubble wrap too?
@@LukasSchroederFilms because you're being pk'd for no reason, other than the person being a lonely loser who enjoys harassing you in the wildy. They gain nothing, it's not even a challenge since i have no gear. Then you losers talk trash because you're a beta irl who gets bullied. People aren't even that toxic in pvp worlds. At least the people who pk me when i'm risking something are after loot. I even tell them good fight or something, it's less annoying to lose 5m to a pker than it is to be pk'd for nothing.
Old school lost all purpose once they added the Grand Exchange.
idk why they haven't reworked Revs sooner. I see no downside to changing Revs back to how they were originally implemented into the game of randomly spawning and roaming around basically all levels of the Wilderness and also following the same rules of the levels of Wilderness on who can/can't attack or be attacked by them. Especially considering the state the caves are in now.
If revs leave the caves, they'll have to be non-aggressive, otherwise they'll fuck everything up.
Revs were originally a replacement for pvpers to add random risk to the wilderness. Having pvpers AND revs would be a nightmare.
Especially with the release of all those pker clans into the rest of the wildy, which is already going to screw things over no matter what is done.
Non-agressive, or everything is fucked.
If they brought back original revs that roamed around the wilderness it would be awesome imo.
If revs leave the caves, they'll have to be non-aggressive, otherwise they'll fuck everything up.
Revs were originally a replacement for pvpers to add random risk to the wilderness. Having pvpers AND revs would be a nightmare.
Non-agressive, or everything is fucked.
Anytime I try to do revs I just get pked. I don’t even go for the valuable revs. Just to see what it’s like to at least experience it. But na every time within a couple minutes or upon entry. Pked.
Given the available info and the Jed lore I get why you would come to some of these conclusions, but the odds of the poll being rigged is 0.
Revs were on the table as a potential PvP update for years. Most of the design was straight from the original, pre-EoC revs. There were some bits which were suspect, like the alch price of charged bracelets being +5k and skulling providing better drops, but the idea that revs as a whole was some sort of master plan forced in by Jed is just not true.
Perhaps the worst thing Jed did to the revs cave was the soundtrack. It is just a Dave song lmao.
so despite having internal logs of ROT conversations, Frontline full on leaked ROT's plans, yet 3 years later this is all happening now because i had to say something. Enough is Enough. Ronan, honestly speaking - it's not right what scares me is, after leaving jagex you're given your freedom of speech back as a consumer. If this is currently your opinion, it's honestly not surprising we're in this mess.
@@dragonbane001 I'm not sure what your issue with my take is. I didn't absolve Jed of all wrongdoing or argue that nothing underhanded took place. I even stated that the alch price of the bracelets/better drop tables when skulled were suspect. I just disputed the two most outrageous claims: that the update was entirely designed by a third-party and forced into the game via a rigged poll. These things are simply not true and there are a plethora of reasons why.
@@Gudi may i ask why no one was told about killing revs when skulled upon release? The initial projection was based around 2m an hour. This is way beyond that. ROT has sat 3 years, collecting money from players and rev drops, 6-8m an hour. Enclosed and locked behind 2k and 2.2k total worlds. If one player manages cose to 2B a month which has been proven. Can you really say it was designed for anything other than this?
@@dragonbane001 I wasn't on the OSRS team any more at the point of release, but I was still in the company and was involved in the project because I was a massive fan of revs pre-EoC. So, for why it wasn't made public that skulling provided better rates, I have no answer. I wasn't responsible for writing the news posts or dev blogs. If those details were withheld from the team, they wouldn't have been able to know about them without delving into the code. Same for the +5k alch value of bracelets. Hence them being sus.
As for drop rates, they've added drops and modified the drop tables since I left, so I don't know what the reasoning might be. They've also made significant changes to the drop tables since Jed was fired, too. So, again, I'd contend that the gp /hr of revs is not the direct result of malicious design. If it was, the team have had multiple years to address it.
"Can you really say it was designed for anything other than this?"
Yeah. It was designed to be a multi PvP hotspot with activity from solo players to larger clans. I think it could have been that without ending up a gold farm, but the consistency of the drops and the gp per hour made it more of a Zulrah than a Corp. That is to say, were the drop tables focused around very rare, large drops rather than frequent mid-tier drops, it would probably be farmed a whole lot less in the manner it has been for the past few years.
@@Gudi id love to talk about this more, discord? BelleDelphne#4004. I definitely feel I need to give a reply since you took the time out to write that up. Just a little busy studying and running errands.
They should keep the rev caves but make it locked behind a key, a key you can only get from roaming revs, they could put a rev boss in the cave as well.
When you kill a creature (dragon, goblin, imp etc.) there should be a chance that the monster is respawned claimed to you as a revenate.
Nah. Lore says revenants are from the war that made the wilderness.
@@krisostomoyabarrera2255 but what if the rev of a dragon comes to avenge him or some shit
*A Passing Revenant Spirit takes notices of its fallen brethren*
I like it, similar to Superior Slayer Monsters, but for all monsters in the wilderness?
So RS is a failed state? Makes sense
Yeah pretty much
Venezuela controls more land of runescape than jagex lmao
I wonder how many back doors Jed has slipped in hidden in various places
Entirely sick of the pk “community” getting coddled. Not all of them are bad but the vast majority are toxic. Every single problem the game has run into has come from them. This includes the slogs at the sand casino. Every major response to game integrity has come from the pvp community taking any and every opportunity to cheat.
You do realize that trying to get ahead by any means necessary isn't just a PvP thing, right? PvMers do that exact thing. *cough* trading items to ironmen *cough*
@@Meloncholiac oh yes,because dropping some stuff for you iron man is totally the same as gaining 500m a day, just by protecting someone.
@@Meloncholiac you can give ironman items?
@@Rugg-qk4pl There was an old bug using the duel arena.
@@REFLEXLWD Are you fucking dumb? You're kidding, right? I never, ever said, nor implied that what RoT is doing is good. All I said was that toxicity isn't just a PvPer thing. Notice how you get crashed at GWD? Hmm, must just be a toxic PvPer, because clearly PvMers aren't toxic. So please, go back to tele grabbing wines in f2p, you absolute mongoloid.
I love that you included the law running. I remember those days😭 I was doing the running though cause I was a noob and didn’t have the rc level haha
The fact the just one dude had 30 accounts ready to vote on, is utterly broken.
The fact that you can vote on multiple accounts is fucking stupid but jagex doesn’t care as long as they rake in money.
@sirpugger you can't have revs just wandering the wilderness because 10hp kempq builds will get wrecked by them
hadley jordan connon so keep revenant caves for the sake of a small minority? Revenants roamed on rs2 and it was fine
@@hadleyjordanconnonbray831 you seem kinda dumb just pay attention and the problem is solved wild is supposed to be a risky area
Imagine grinding 2.2k total and being a paying member wanting to do revs only to be told you gotta pay to do them. I liked revs when they first came out but this shit gotta change.
Revenants could just be straight up removed in my opinion. There's no good reason for such a good and easy to access money making method to exist in the game, not to mention it's one of the main reasons there's a need for taking steps towards countering the inflation. Also the risk isn't nearly enough to compensate for the reward.
Revs roaming, removal of staked duels, a more intuitive Jagex client, and a full removal of the current pmods and replacement with a new pmod system would be well suited to help make the game a better climate
thats like a dream
they dont need to remove all existing pmods, just do something more to monitor their activity. It can't be that hard to check through whos getting muted by pmods, and it really shouldnt be hard to see if the pmod is muting people for "commercial" reasons when checking logs.
staked duels increases the gold value in the economy since it removes so much from the game, keeping staking in is beneficial to the economy even with all of the loan staking that is going on. Billions of gp get deleted every day.
@@leechadwick6853 Amen
@@leechadwick6853 I don't disagree with you. The Staking tax was definitely a good implementation to help keep gold value up. But if Jagex wants to truly fight off RWT plaguing their game we can't pretend like the duel arena isn't an issue in regards to that. There are other ways you can sink gold in the economy that I'm sure Jagex would need to sit on first of course and figure out.
Thank you Colonello, for helping spread the word. As well as everyone that has been pushing the support this entire past week due to what was posted on reddit regarding my two conversations with Mod Ash. Last week OSRS had its Q&A set back when the iron was hot. This week I hope Jagex will be able to answer my question on the Q&A that the majority of the player base seem to support:
In 2017 we saw The Rev Caves were implemented in OSRS. However, with the update a lot of surface Wilderness activity died off over the course of 3 years since its addition. Now, in 2020 - we are faced with a problem that can no longer be ignored. 'Protection Clans' - There are 80+ Worlds alone in OSRS that are designated for players who are literally gold farmers from Countries like Venezuela & Egypt - Both these 'protection clans' & the Players who farm the revs skulled do nothing but RWT the money made from revs, and this has been going since the release of Revs locked inside an enclosed area within the cave. The OSRS Community would like to see these changes made to stop Racketeering caused by these protection clans and the amount of Gold Farming & RWT happening from them.
Question: Could Revenants in the Rev cave be moved to the surface level of the wilderness, appearing in two spawns (1 multi, 1 single) that would change randomly every 15 minutes across the wilderness in following locations:
Chaos Dwarfs: (Multi Combat - North Of Vet'ion *Old Wilderness Ghost Piper loc, 33-38 wilderness)
Green Dragon locations: (Single Combat, all three surface locs, 15-28 wilderness)
Corp Beast farm: (Single Combat, near Vet'ion, 26-30 wilderness)
Rune Rocks: (Single/Multi Combat, Above Lava-Maze 45 wilderness)
Rune Rocks: (Single, Ice plateau, Near Wildy Agility Arena, 50 Wilderness)
Wilderness Agility course: (Single/Multi Combat, 50 Wilderness)
Obelisk-27 Portals: (Single/Multi Combat, Between GWD Dungeon & Bandit Camp)
50's Volcano: (Multi-Combat, Near Fountain of Glory & 50 Portals)
West Venenatis Trees: (Multi Combat, Between Vet'ion & Venenatis trees, 30 Wilderness)
Poison Spiders: (Multi Combat, South of Callisto, 33-42 wilderness)
Lava Dragon Gate: (Multi Combat, Inside Lava Dragon Gate, 35-40 wilderness)
Chaos Altar: (Multi Combat, Between 19 portals-Chaos Altar, 18-20 Wilderness)
Lava Maze: (Single Combat, East of KBD Cage, 38-44 wilderness)
Spawn one: 3-4 Revs mixed with higher and lower combat
Spawn two: 5-6 Revs mixed with higher and lower combat
Rev bracelets would still be needed to reduce damage, because they'd all agro.
The drop rates would remain the same.
-BelleDelphne
I don’t agree with you and you don’t speak for me /spit
john smith Quit crying little pk girl.
I love how Ash is one of the few people who could easily get this pushed through, even without a vote, but also one of the few people with enough integrity to not even want to go that route
Imagine y’all just being networked by ROT and they want the revs to be moved outside the caves because other clans wont be able to compete with whatever new protection they create 😂🤔
Could be true
Zachary Mojica It is quite unlikely but they’re known to have super sneaky tactics ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@LukasSchroederFilms wouldn't surprise me man
Rot is a dead clan dude they have not achieved anything without people giving them crucial info
This is some underworld organised pixel crime.
Wilderness would be chaos if they roamed freely in the wildy, it would make it active af
just like it was meant to be,but the bosses will seem out of place
Hunter's Honour I believe they are working on moving the wildly bosses to designated caves
It would do the exact opposite. They'd be so inconsistent and annoying to locate/camp that nobody would do it anymore.
@@devrn i see...
U ain’t never ran around the wilderness and heard that spell cast from so far. Just start spamming your minimap south. That’s revenants. In wildly roaming. That’s nastolgia.
they should just implement "roaming" revs.
just have the entire wilderness a valid spawn location, but with a mob-cap.
That way you can't AFK them, you prevent people from spawn-camping and you actually make it so people have to go all over the wildy.
It might even fix some existing safespots for other bosses as a rev could spawn on your safespot.
(yes, I consider safespots bugs, as it's not realistic that you can just completely nullify any risk from combat whilst still being able to deal damage.)
The polling system, at the birth of OSRS, was a great idea because everyone was in a similar mindset. We all just wanted to play the Runescape we remembered. Nowadays, it's pretty obvious that there are two completely different types of players and mindsets. The first just wants to play the game, the other wants to fuck people over. The polls will always be split about big topics like this because of this. They need to completely revamp how content is injected into the game because the polling system is obsolete.
Zoobitybebop and 3: sweaty nerds who care about efficiency and ranking
I havent done revs for ages mainly because no1 is online, but when I do its always a lot of fun and if I got the right crew, we target protection worlds and make bank. Sometimes you make money, and sometimes you die and lose. Basic mage/range setup is almost 300k risk and as you said you can die and return every 2nd minute. As much as i hate ragging, I would hate more to see the caves close. Its the one place I can go to actually find a fight worthy of my supplies.
This game has been losing integrity every day.
can u boost me pls
especially when 3rd party clients were allowed, similar story with account sharing becoming non-bannable.
Revert ZMI and remove rev caves. The ZMI change is the dumbest thing ive ever heard
I wanted revs in oldschool but not the way they were implemented. I agree with the idea of roaming revs in the wild, it'll make the wilderness as a whole more active and fun because a clan won't be able to hold down an entire wilderness like they are currently doing with rev caves.
its a little off to push the entire thing on Jed, I remember the culture around the dev team at the time they kept polling revenants, DMM had convinced Matt K. that pvp was the way to make oldschool "the game" and he pushed pvp updates on everything, instead of the current idea of more focused and difficult content should be more rewarding, back then every week he pushed for pvp content "risk and reward" even though a very large vocal portion of the community didn't enjoy the "risk" its funny because osrs was supposed to develop as the community wanted but there was always that core sentiment on the jmod team that pvp should be a priority and getting non-pker's to the wilderness was somehow a goal worth investing in, I'm glad things changed down the line, I'd assume HC BTW had something to do with the shift in focus, along with newer jmods who actually care more about a fun game than "omg look at the DMM twitch #'s runescape can be an e-sport!@!@" Rev caves need to go though, along with these RMT clans.
I love me some DMM but there definitely was this huge focus on pvp stuff for so long, that I was and still am incredibly confused at all the whining on reddit and forums about jagex supposedly not doing pvp updates
The anti pvp sentiment is real.
Revamp clan wars too. It was so much better back in the days and there was always hundreds of people to fight in the safe, dangerous, and clan portal.
i'm still in shock that jagex decided to hire someone this corrupted and took soo long too get rid of him, how did that even happen?
It happens in a lot of games. Devs in general seem to have no idea how nefarious community members will be when they get in positions of power.
They keep pulling people from the community (saves training costs), but the problem is that people from the community have connections in the community. Devs drink their koolaid, think its fine and it happens over and over.
I will say that Jagex has been especially bad with this. They've been burned so many times and keep coming back.
@@Retanaru That's why they need to bring back interns to make content.
@@GrumpyIan Bro that pfp is amazing lmao
Jagex has a really bad track record....
Yep there are probably more corrupt j - mods aswell. i wouldn't be suprised if they rig polls when they want something added ingame badly. it's sad.
That intro was fucking sick
Polling is just an option for Jagex. It’s not mandatory. They’ve made plenty of updates without polling because they knew those updates wouldn’t pass.
Another solid video man. Love the idea of revs roaming the wilderness. Only concern I have is that as someone that does a lot of clue scrolls, having to go to multi near a rev cluster could get dicey. I’m all for reviving other parts of the wilderness through
Jagex has always been a joke, ever since 2004, nothing has changed, those dipships.
Amen, though IMO 2008 is when it all went to complete shit.
I play OSRS casually every few months and every time I get on the game feels worse, the economy is a mess and the game feels nothing like it did in 2007. I just want to play my old game again.
Make the revs wonder the wilderness once again like the good old times imo...
can you please make a deep documentary type long video about mod jed? that would be awesome dude
Remove staking, rev caves , implement better bot detection , actively ban these toxic clan members instead of completely ignoring them , buff old wilderness creatures loot tables , remove pmod system just to name a few things ..
Removing staking will just lead to increased "risk fighting" with gold, which fucks legitimate players involved. The staking addicts will still gamble. At least they added a tax finally (which btw is actually effectively 2% of every stake, not 1% like Jagex claims). As for the rest, hell yeah.
Never wanted revs... Its just a gold farmers paradise, has been since the start. Great video bro!
Eliminate revs alltogether and buff every drop table, that cave is pure cancer. What tells you these clans wont walk around wildy hogging spawn points and killing/scamming people same as in the cave? The only difference is that if the latter happens, the whole wild will be pretty much inaccesible for pvmers
Makes the wilderness more active and actually more dangerous. This will also drive all the wildly items to raise in price and they are considerably low atm. I honestly don’t see nothing wrong.
ive been saying this for a mean minute now. most other monsters in wilderness have a SHIT drop table. get rid of the revs and just fix the other monsters in the wilderness lmao.
@@juant7128 uhh no... if you cant even go to wild to use pvp items then despite them not coming into the game they will drop in price, because nobody wants them.... nice try tho
The Rev caves shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. It only exists because ROT and Mod Jed forced it through. Either move the revs outside or just remove them all together because it only promotes and rewards toxic behavior.
Unpopular opinion maybe but having the revs roam the wilderness in a quantity that would be on par with what they are now would change nothing. You'd simply have the same protection clans running their scheme throughout the wild on those same worlds.
Truthfully there is only two ways to handle revs, either remove it entirely, or the average players need to unite and fight over the caves to make it so that it isn't safe. If you ruin the protection and the PvMers are paying for nothing, then the system collapses.
I was in a protection clan. Trust me, you don't wanna go there. Super toxic, they all rwt and it generates so much gold to a point, where they forced the death update.
I've talked to many jmods above revs for years, they just ignore you. They don't care because I reckon, they are also in on it.
"aaa a a aaaa a a a a a a a aAA AA aaaa AAA" - Colonello, 2020
Make polls ONLY available to players that have at least 1000 levels and have been playing for a minimum period of 1 year.
That should kill most bots from voting.
In the old day, I have done essence running to the Nature altar. (both doing it and using it)
Roaming revs would be very cool aslong as it's worth searching for them.
Nice vid. Now for an off topic question... wtf happened to 5 boys 5 bil?
Everyone is having wars and shit and here I am chopping down wood and fishing shrimp.
always thought having all the revs close together and in one cave was mad fishy..
You do all know the Belle Delphine ( the origin of this entire thread) has pkd rev caves the past couple years and is LITERALLY just salty that their clan (AC) can’t compete?
This is pretty inaccurate and It's defamation if anything.
Clan's i've lead: TheStorm (10 years) & America (8 months)
My clan ONLY pks deep wilderness.
I made the thread and contacted content creators because it's a genuine issue and has ruined PvP and has done nothing but fund ROT's RWT business.
The amount of times I’ve seen you hop in east ork hut smdh u just made that speedy has no legs. Why u lying to all these people?
I think they should keep revs at about 3000 before changing gears
Jed looks like a villain from a PG-13 movie
Wholeheartedly agreed, the 165 idiots who disliked the video are just salty members of the rev clans.
When osrs launched I did heroes quest really fast to charge glory's and was running law runes for the first few weeks.
DEFUND THE PMODS!!!!!!!!!
Omg it is racketeering. Never thought of it like that 😂
the ethereum bracelet is completely broken too, back in the day, you consumed charges on ur rev bracelet, giving u full protection for like 5 minutes and partial protection from the revs for an hour, now you can just slap them and if u have protection u virtually never have to bank. needs to be fixed asap
zmi essence trading was removed because, as the fools they are, they forgot that essence running was a thing when they polled it with a given xp rate. I've asked about reverting the change, and Ash seemed receptive, but years later still nothing.
Remove it . Spread rev monsters around wilderness. Condense the worlds
Make revenants roam and remove the cave.
this shit makes me feel so uneasy, the whole black market of runescape idea
I think the revs should be roaming the wilderness as well, perhaps they could still be semi localized around certain areas, but with a very large wonder circle. Kinda like implings. Of course it might be better to just make them as random as possible but that could mess up a lot of "safe spots" and would totally change pvm in the wilderness, especially in the multi combat areas
You lost me when you said you want revs to roam the wilderness like they used to. That was such a shit approach imo and at the time hardly anyone really liked it. I much prefer Ash's idea of having groups spawn at certain locations.
Yeah, imagine being on a rev task and having to run through whole wilderness looking for revs
Make protect item only protect items worth more than 1mil. Simple.
I'd like to see 1 of 2 things added regarding wilderness content. One would be an option to kill instanced versions of wilderness bosses with perhaps rebalanced drop rates so the pvm only players (such as myself) would be more likely to farm for those pets.
The other thing I'd like more is a player attack option that only allows you to attack players if you wouldn't skull on them. This would remove the skull tricking/accidental skulling to a degree that makes it more likely for pvmers to stay and fight if they get attacked while wildy slaying/bossing. My player attack option has been hidden for years. On that note, I find it odd that safe pvp minigames still have player attack options hidden. Seems like there should be more diversity in those options.
They need to repoll sailing
Oh yeah what a great idea ! Add more unnecessary bullshit to the game instead of fixing the problems on hand. Somebody give this bellend a gold sticker.
Wow. I haven’t thought about essence running in ages. I used to run essence back in the day right after runecrafting came out to make money on my alt while I was doing other stuff on my main. I had totally forgotten about that until you mentioned it here in this video. It used to be an easy moneymaker since there weren’t any big requirements to actually do it.
Roam the wilderness without aggro unless you are skulled then they hit hard like back in rs2
they shouldnt aggro at all unless its multi, making them aggro when you are skulled will kill pking so the wildy dies again
This is why I just dont play OSRS anymore. Seems like every day I see a new video about people botting, scamming, hacking, or moderators abusing mechanics.
Rev caves and clans like RoT sicken the game. Let's hope we can remove rev caves for good!
Big problem solver would be to make them slayer task only, like RS3's lava strykes. Since they can only be killed on task, it will both boost PvM more, and it will make the rev cave a lot less crowded. Also it would be harder to bot at this place, since you can only kill 100-200 of them before you task is over, which makes botting it a little less worth it for most people in my opinion...
Whatever was influenced so heavily by Jed must be purged.
please let this video gain traction
bruh the effects & transitions for this video is fucking crazy
revs were fun to do before the clan protection started happening, but after that it's literally impossible and not even worth entering the cave anymore
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They need to be roaming the wilderness that s*** used to be so scary when one of the bigger ones would just pop up on you
I’d be 100% happy with revs wondering the wildy however I feel like more people would be okay with it if jagex released a “map” of somewhat where it highlights where what levelled rev monsters will be in them general areas, drop tables might have to be buffed a little if they are more spread out just so it can hit maybe even 1m a hour doing them as a pvmer however that’s just apart of high risk high reward
Full support to bring back roaming revenants. But they need to add werewolf, vampyre, aviansie, icefiend.
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Thanks for making it! :D
Revenant caves was a 2011 update that allowed players to keep getting drops like Vesta's longsword (one the best spec weapons in pre-EoC), corrupt dragon weapons (best f2p pking weapons in pre-EoC) and brawling gloves (exp boosters) after pking in wilderness was allowed again and revenants were no longer needed to make wilderness dangerous.
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Revenants were never a big money maker in pre-EoC because they didn't drop alchables and noted items the way they do in osrs. For example, the only drop in addition to the super rare equipment/relics/gloves for revenant imps was 1-187 coins. You either got a 70M spec weapon or you got nothing. You didn't need protection from clans because a clan could scout 50 worlds without finding one person wanting kill revenants in pre-EoC rev caves, and if somebody got a big drop they would immediately get out.
Removing the rev cave is a no-go for me. Rev cave is just plain nostalgic. Now a wilderness questline to give you an additional spot to go to revs in a seperate cave where it’s single combat.... now theres an idea
How is rev caves nostalgic if they where never in a cave to beging with but instead spread across wilderness? That's like saying clan wars as it is now is nostalgic when it's the complete opposite because it's not in the wilderness nor does it have the original feeling clan wars once had.
I preferred when revenants roamed the wilderness, it gave me a surprise when i saw a big old dragon ghost pop up.
Better idea killing anything in the wilderness has a 10% chance of spawning a Rev higher lvl monsters spawn higher level revs
They should build a Mod Jed statue in Venezuela
Lmaooo
Make revs single combat and lower gp per hour back to the polled rate. Fed up of seeing 4+ players swamping someone in every UA-cam video on the subject