i think this could finally be the video i've been looking for to help me get my sequencing correct in the downswing.... works in the living room... next the range.. cheers dude
This is great. Something was missing in my swing. The hands dropping then rotate is a great feeling. Whips the club through at bottom of swing. I was bringing club up and trying to kill the ball. I just started 8 months ago and this really helped me. Fabulous for beginners to understand
John, I understand completely what you have said but other instructors say to move the body and arms together on the downswing by dropping your right shoulder slightly on the downswing to allow you to swing from the inside. 😊My confusion is: which method should I be using to play my best golf. The pro’s tend to swing so fast that you cannot tell which method they are using??? Your thoughts are appreciated.
@@TruGolfAcademy, yes it’s a drill I’m using, and will continue to use. My problem is during a round my old shoulder dominant swing has a habit of coming back. So it’s a constant battle for me. When I do it right, I wish I could just bottle it. Thanks for the enquiry. Regularly go back over your videos, mostly ‘ The only way to stop a slice’ and never come over the top. Extremely useful stuff.
This is great, however, lately I have found myself hitting off the grass than hitting of the mat. I did this because at the range I was falling close to my target, but at the course not so much. That grass seems to affect the club head... any advice for getting the same accuracy of the mat but on the grass? Am I missing something?
Off a range Mat the strike could be a little lower on the clubface, creating a slightly lower launch but more spin. There shouldn’t be an effect on speed but potentially a few yards. Mats can also mask some bad strikes, hitting the ground a little before the ball
Hi John, I love that feel of almost waiting for the club on the downswing. Could I just ask when do you change from the arms dropping to rotating the body? Is it hands just outside rear thigh? Cheers.
The reality is rotation will have already started but the feel is different. Aim to feel the arms drop in the very start of the transition to just below lead arm parallel to the ground.
So I would hit wedges fine but when I got to 9 iron I would start the shank it. Then I made sure to try and drop the hands. Or “hands to my right foot” and seem to stop shaking it. I think with the longer clubs my hands would get away
Good as a feel of moving too far from the body, obviously they have to move out as you rotate. Just make sure not pulling hands down and cupping the lead wrist (opening the face) Other big reason for shanks would be hips moving towards the ball (early extending)
In the backswing lead arm is bending. Have been taught to keep this straight. When I keep it straight I’m more tense and then start to come over the top. With your drill, once we get the club path correct is it recommended to try and keep lead arm straight? Great video!
Thanks Michael. A little bend is okay, you just don’t want to lose all width. I can’t keep it dead straight as broke the arm as a kids some can’t due to tight shoulders. I’m offering the first online lesson free, so let me know if I can help at all. I can send info if you drop me your email address or get in touch via my website 👍🏻
Jon, I have commented before on your videos. Excellent videos! My problem is I get stuck in finding positions! I become a hitter and not a swinger. My body stops at impact or I lunge at the ball and my left arm breaks down after impact! I admit that I love to tinker with my swing while watching various UA-cam golf videos. I would love to be consistent but it may not be in my DNA. For example one day I work to keep the handle going up with the left shoulder going back and away. The following day I work on trying to hit ball then turf contact and becoming too steep. Guess I suffer from Analysis Paralysis! Also DOG (Delusions of Grandeur)! Any advice?
Try to separate practice and play. Take a lesson (happy to help online?) find out what you actually need to do and focus hard on that rather than switching game to game
My situation at the moment is the opposite I start my lower body to early and it causes the club to get stuck behind me which then forces me to early extend and hit the ball inconsistently.
Focus on pushing down into the lead foot and moving your lead hip further behind you. Starting low half is good but your pressure will be going into toes and hips towards the ball 👍🏻
It’s a feel for golfers that swing more over the top. The arms would never move “drop” without other things happening like pressure moving towards your lead foot 🦶 and the body rotating. This feel also can help golfers keep more wrist angle “lag” to use into impact 👍🏻
The other concern for me that I forgot to mention is that I feel timing is required to drop the arms to the correct position. For example if you don’t drop them enough before you turn the body, you could end up with an out to in swing or thin it. Conversely, if you drop them too far then you could hit the ground and hit it fat, whereas if you just tilt the right shoulder down slightly on the downswing, no timing is require as you can just swing as hard and fast as you are capable of. Do you see my confusion?
Yeah absolutely, hands would generally be a little further from body with the driver at set up but more rotational forces are going to throw the hands out in front of you. For anyone more over the top, they need to feel more drop before rotate 👍🏻
If you hit the ball with your right hip it’s impossible to hit it fat unless you have tour grade flexibility. Try it. Put your right hip on the ball and reach back and see if you can even touch the ground behind the ball while maintaining an impact position. It’s difficult.
Could you please explain the following which is so puzzling to me: When you're swinging towards the ball, does your brain try to 1. swing the clubhead to a point in front of, a little outside, and below the ball (ie the low point of the swing), with sweet spot contact 2. aim to deliver the sweet spot to contact a certain point on the ball, with an arc of a certain descending angle, or 3. another target or path which you focus on? I try to do 1., because I think that's the easiest for my brain to understand. If that is the correct way to do it, then when the ball position is moved because we are hitting a different club, should we aim for another low point based on the new ball position and using a slightly different path, or do we stick to hitting the original target in the ground (which was for the first ball)? And should the low point's distance from the ball and depth in the ground be different for each club? And how in heaven's name could anyone get it right?
Wow that’s a lot to focus on. I don’t do any so not sure I could help. I think the ball gets more in the way of the club on a arc’d path. The low point would be similar with each iron but ball position varies. Low point should be under lead chest. Would be a logger further back with the driver as your upper body tilts away from the target in the downswing. I hope that helps a little? If your contact point thought helps you, stick with it!
I like your content but this one confused me a little. Drop the hands down by feeling like you leave them up? I have very fast hip rotation which, even though you have some separation, drags my arms and club head out in front of me too early in the downswing. I desperately need to get the hands dropping down into a nice, low delivery position but as you mentioned, it’s easy to fall into the trap of pulling them down and steepening the shaft. If I just think about leaving them up, my fast hips will drag me over the top eventually.
The feeling of leaving arms up, can help some players get out of pulling down. They will fall as the the body rotates and pressure is applied down into the lead foot.
i think this could finally be the video i've been looking for to help me get my sequencing correct in the downswing.... works in the living room... next the range.. cheers dude
How was the range? Hope it helped 👍🏻
This is great. Something was missing in my swing. The hands dropping then rotate is a great feeling. Whips the club through at bottom of swing. I was bringing club up and trying to kill the ball. I just started 8 months ago and this really helped me. Fabulous for beginners to understand
Great to hear, keep up the good work!
Excellent.. simplifies & illustrates key aspects & why very well. 👍
Thanks a lot 😊
Good lesson, thanks
You are welcome!
Great video Jon 🏌️♂️👍
Extremely helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I’m in the process of recreating my golf swing and found this video helpful in sorting out what should happen at the top. Thank you!
Hope it helped Chris! Happy to take a look!?
John, I understand completely what you have said but other instructors say to move the body and arms together on the downswing by dropping your right shoulder slightly on the downswing to allow you to swing from the inside. 😊My confusion is: which method should I be using to play my best golf. The pro’s tend to swing so fast that you cannot tell which method they are using??? Your thoughts are appreciated.
A good drill. Looking forward to trying it at the range. Thanks
How did you get on Steve?
@@TruGolfAcademy, yes it’s a drill I’m using, and will continue to use. My problem is during a round my old shoulder dominant swing has a habit of coming back. So it’s a constant battle for me. When I do it right, I wish I could just bottle it. Thanks for the enquiry.
Regularly go back over your videos, mostly ‘ The only way to stop a slice’ and never come over the top.
Extremely useful stuff.
This is great, however, lately I have found myself hitting off the grass than hitting of the mat. I did this because at the range I was falling close to my target, but at the course not so much. That grass seems to affect the club head... any advice for getting the same accuracy of the mat but on the grass? Am I missing something?
Off a range Mat the strike could be a little lower on the clubface, creating a slightly lower launch but more spin.
There shouldn’t be an effect on speed but potentially a few yards. Mats can also mask some bad strikes, hitting the ground a little before the ball
Hi John, I love that feel of almost waiting for the club on the downswing. Could I just ask when do you change from the arms dropping to rotating the body? Is it hands just outside rear thigh? Cheers.
The reality is rotation will have already started but the feel is different. Aim to feel the arms drop in the very start of the transition to just below lead arm parallel to the ground.
So I would hit wedges fine but when I got to 9 iron I would start the shank it. Then I made sure to try and drop the hands. Or “hands to my right foot” and seem to stop shaking it. I think with the longer clubs my hands would get away
Good as a feel of moving too far from the body, obviously they have to move out as you rotate. Just make sure not pulling hands down and cupping the lead wrist (opening the face)
Other big reason for shanks would be hips moving towards the ball (early extending)
@@TruGolfAcademy I don’t think I early extending , been working on that for a while. It’s something in the downswing, like swinging across the ball
In the backswing lead arm is bending. Have been taught to keep this straight. When I keep it straight I’m more tense and then start to come over the top. With your drill, once we get the club path correct is it recommended to try and keep lead arm straight? Great video!
Thanks Michael. A little bend is okay, you just don’t want to lose all width. I can’t keep it dead straight as broke the arm as a kids some can’t due to tight shoulders.
I’m offering the first online lesson free, so let me know if I can help at all. I can send info if you drop me your email address or get in touch via my website 👍🏻
Thank you for the response. Will reach out via website soon.
A brilliant video 👍👍👍
Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Jon, I have commented before on your videos. Excellent videos! My problem is I get stuck in finding positions! I become a hitter and not a swinger. My body stops at impact or I lunge at the ball and my left arm breaks down after impact! I admit that I love to tinker with my swing while watching various UA-cam golf videos. I would love to be consistent but it may not be in my DNA. For example one day I work to keep the handle going up with the left shoulder going back and away. The following day I work on trying to hit ball then turf contact and becoming too steep. Guess I suffer from Analysis Paralysis! Also DOG (Delusions of Grandeur)! Any advice?
Try to separate practice and play. Take a lesson (happy to help online?) find out what you actually need to do and focus hard on that rather than switching game to game
My situation at the moment is the opposite I start my lower body to early and it causes the club to get stuck behind me which then forces me to early extend and hit the ball inconsistently.
Focus on pushing down into the lead foot and moving your lead hip further behind you. Starting low half is good but your pressure will be going into toes and hips towards the ball 👍🏻
Jon! "Gravity Assistance!" This move is easy to work on! Excellent recommendation!!!
Right arm straightening is the release ? Seems very simple move . Thanks
Link it with some body rotation and your pretty well there 👍🏻
Looks like there is space for a Whistling Straights poster!
Haha 😂 that was a big loss. You guys were too good. Definitely don’t want a reminder 😂
If the arms just drop, where do you get some power- -wildly rotating at the last minute?
It’s a feel for golfers that swing more over the top. The arms would never move “drop” without other things happening like pressure moving towards your lead foot 🦶 and the body rotating.
This feel also can help golfers keep more wrist angle “lag” to use into impact 👍🏻
The other concern for me that I forgot to mention is that I feel timing is required to drop the arms to the correct position. For example if you don’t drop them enough before you turn the body, you could end up with an out to in swing or thin it. Conversely, if you drop them too far then you could hit the ground and hit it fat, whereas if you just tilt the right shoulder down slightly on the downswing, no timing is require as you can just swing as hard and fast as you are capable of. Do you see my confusion?
Is this the same feel for driver
Yeah absolutely, hands would generally be a little further from body with the driver at set up but more rotational forces are going to throw the hands out in front of you. For anyone more over the top, they need to feel more drop before rotate 👍🏻
If you hit the ball with your right hip it’s impossible to hit it fat unless you have tour grade flexibility. Try it. Put your right hip on the ball and reach back and see if you can even touch the ground behind the ball while maintaining an impact position. It’s difficult.
Could you please explain the following which is so puzzling to me:
When you're swinging towards the ball, does your brain try to
1. swing the clubhead to a point in front of, a little outside, and below the ball (ie the low point of the swing), with sweet spot contact
2. aim to deliver the sweet spot to contact a certain point on the ball, with an arc of a certain descending angle, or
3. another target or path which you focus on?
I try to do 1., because I think that's the easiest for my brain to understand. If that is the correct way to do it, then when the ball position is moved because we are hitting a different club, should we aim for another low point based on the new ball position and using a slightly different path, or do we stick to hitting the original target in the ground (which was for the first ball)? And should the low point's distance from the ball and depth in the ground be different for each club? And how in heaven's name could anyone get it right?
Wow that’s a lot to focus on. I don’t do any so not sure I could help. I think the ball gets more in the way of the club on a arc’d path.
The low point would be similar with each iron but ball position varies. Low point should be under lead chest. Would be a logger further back with the driver as your upper body tilts away from the target in the downswing.
I hope that helps a little? If your contact point thought helps you, stick with it!
175 yard 7 iron. That is my driver carry yardage.
I like your content but this one confused me a little. Drop the hands down by feeling like you leave them up? I have very fast hip rotation which, even though you have some separation, drags my arms and club head out in front of me too early in the downswing. I desperately need to get the hands dropping down into a nice, low delivery position but as you mentioned, it’s easy to fall into the trap of pulling them down and steepening the shaft. If I just think about leaving them up, my fast hips will drag me over the top eventually.
The feeling of leaving arms up, can help some players get out of pulling down. They will fall as the the body rotates and pressure is applied down into the lead foot.
@@TruGolfAcademy OK, thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.
In other words, stay loose while you rotate... it'll happen naturally
Yep 👍🏻
And you’ll have good days and bad. Like off the planet bad. You can’t just “let it go”. It’s bullshit