Accidental discharges and gun safety
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Glad you manned-up and didn’t blame something other than your error. Even professionals make mistakes. The important point was your rifle was pointed in a safe direction
A negligent discharge is an unintentional firing of a shot due to a violation of the Four Universal Firearms Safety Rules, or other improper weapon handling.
An accidental discharge in the unintentional firing of a shot not due to improper gun handling and through no fault of the person handling the gun. In the vast majority of cases, an accidental discharge is due to mechanical failure or equipment malfunction.
Context is everything. In this case the shot went off prior to when you wanted it to, but the rifle was always in a safe direction and even hit the target you were aiming at. As a Silhouette shooter I've had plenty of shots go off earlier than I wanted but the rifle was always pointed at the targets/backstop/berm. Putting a shot over the berm, up into the awning, or in the ground at your feet would be a negligent discharge in my book. Keep up the good work!
As with all things, there's more than one class of ND.
Excellent video for gun safety. Great job on reviewing it in your mind after it happened.
The most important things are acknowledging the problem and implementing corrective actions. You did both.
Thanks for posting this John! It rattled me and I certainly learned a valuable lesson. Thanks again.
I always have the same response to AD/ND Videos. The fact that you are sharing it with us is commendable, and a service to the community.
Thank you John.
Guys LOOK!! John is a world class competitor and not to mention the mid range 2024 fclass champion so he knows what he is talking about..... and i have been lucky enough to have met him and let me tell you he is a extremely humble person and just really wants and likes to help other people be able to achieve the same success he has if you are willing to put in the effort.. but to shoot as much as he does and to have not had it happen to him more is actually pretty darn cool.. 6k rounds a year is no joke thats alot even for a fclass competitor..
Thank you TJ, that's very kind of you to say.
Exactly 100%
Thanks for sharing John. I had not noticed in the original, but really appreciate you looping back to inform and enlighten us.
it looked like the bolt took more force to close on that shot.
Good on you John for discussing this. These guns have very sensitive triggers. Most have no idea how little it takes to release the sear. The important thing is that we never close the bolt on a round without the gun pointing at the target. We do no handle these weapons, they are supported in a rest that has the gun pointing at the target. This is all to negate a discharge into anything but a safe backstop.
However, we as competitors need to be aware and constantly check ourselves to do what it takes to eliminate any potential dangers. Thanks for sharing John.
Hell of a good person. Accepts responsabllty and adjusts, overcomes,and adapts. My hat is off to you young man.
Once a soldier, always a soldier.👍👍👍
Great video John! I've had a similar experience. Same accidental discharge-different finger. Like you, my gun was pointed in the proper direction and all other safety rules were being adhered to.
Excellent video communicating that unintentional things can and do happen. Great job John!
Thank you for pointing this out.
Fred W.
Awesome. You could have just edited that out and moved on. Kudo's to your for owning it.
I've had two accidental / negligent discharges. One, a few years ago, was a 7mm Rem Mag with a Jewell trigger that was set way too light (by me) and the rifle went off when I closed the bolt. I don't slam my bolt closed btw. I was behind the rifle and it was on a front and rear rest so the bullet went downrange. The other was a week ago an AR. Also pointed downrange and into the dirt but much more nerve wracking. I "thought" I had 4 rounds in the mag. The AR15 was not cycling right so I decided to put it away.
I don't like to store a rifle with the trigger cocked. The chamber is always inspected before I store it. With the bolt guns I can hold the trigger down and close the bolt to relieve the spring tension. Out of habit I pointed it down range and, not thinking, I pulled the trigger. It went off, kicked up some dirt. I looked at my daughter and grandson and said "that's what we call a negligent discharge. That's why we point a rifle downrange to clear it even when we "know" it's clear. I am lucky that nobody else is here and downrange checking their targets. ALWAYS open the action and check for clear. Don't assume the weapon is clear".
My grandson pointed out that even if someone was downrange the bullet went into the ground. I had to compose myself... because, I was not happy with me, I wanted a bad situation to be a teaching moment, so I carefully and deliberately said "It does not matter. Always treat the range as if someone else is there. Don't "clear" the rifle by pulling the trigger, even if you KNOW it's empty".
At the range that I shoot at to check targets we turn a switch on. That sounds a loud buzzer for a few seconds and starts flashing red lights spaced in front of the benches. It's pretty obvious when someone needs to go downrange. At that point we're supposed to step away from the bench. I open my bolt first if it's a bolt gun, and step away. If it's an AR I pull the mag and lock the bolt back. I didn't follow that rule because the buzzer didn't sound and the light wasn't on, because we were the only people there and nobody was going down range. That scenario won't happen again. "What could have happened" bugs me.
BTW - the AR had been in the closet for years, waiting for my grandson to get old enough to shoot it, not own it, yet. When I got it home I checked and basically, it was dry, I lubed it properly and it cycles like it should.
Yes,you are a human. Humans can make mistakes. Thank you for the teachable moment. God bless.
This is the reason why the basic rules of firearm safety are designed such that multiple rules need to be broken before there is a bad outcome. Although you pulled the trigger unintentionally, you had the firearm pointed downrange (away from anything you didn't want to shoot).
I had it happen to me. Like you said 1000's of rounds. I was on a ladder stage I was running my semi-auto at the time. In between every movement of chaning postion you have to put gun on safe and call safe. I just made my shot as I put it on safe to move gun still on target im still on scope but I hit the trigger with my thumb from my left hand as I was slidding the safety on gun went off. I DQ'd my self as no one else even relized what had happened. I just dropped my mag ejected round put in chamber flag and ended my stage. The MD let me finish the match but it should have been a full MATCH DQ. I was at an NRL match a couple months ago. One of the safety protocols at all matches is DO NOT close your bolt/No sky loading until you are on target. I was ROing and one of the guys shooting not only closed the bolt while not on target he also had a ND. It was an automatic cease fire. Total match DQ on that one.
Well said John...Aloha from Maui
Eric
Appreciate this video! Shows that everything happens to even the best of us and we just need to be as safe as we possibly can to try our best to avoid these types of situations as long as possible. Or when they do happen the only thing at risk of being hit is a target or berm!
This happened to me when I bought a used Remington that someone had the old trigger messed with and it happened at the range to me. I took it to the gunsmith and had the safety replaced! The number one rule over 60+ years ago when I took my hunters safety course was to keep your finger away from the trigger and outside the trigger guard! Good reminder for all of us that we have to keep safe and stay awake on what we are doing!
I had a similar incident with my a r fifteen. If I do not mount the gun correctly it will double. Had to retrain myself Also. I feel your pain brother.😮 Have to pull the gun in before.I put my finger down in the trigger well.
I've been waiting for this to happen. The #1 reason this happened is ergonomics! The design of the bolt handle leads the user to sloppy firearms handling, no doubt exasperated by cold hands of the shooter. A bolt handle with a round nob at the end, held in the cruck of the thumb and first finger, would have prevented taking risks of this type.
You know what they say, you shoot long enough and a ND/AD isn't a question of "if" but "when".
I've had two or three over the 36 years I've pulled a trigger and I'm always embarrassed and angry about it, but look at it -- as you do -- as a learning opportunity not to be a knucklehead again.
Thise that thinknit will not happen with them over time are the ones that will hurt themselves or someone else. Between hunting and competitions ive had it once during a hunt due to a faulty trigger. Round went off soon as the bolt locked. Definitely scared the heck out me.
Some times we can get a little bit to comfortable with repetition and get a little sloppy. I'll be paying closer attention to how I close the bolt and be behind the gun when I do. It's not something you would normally think about till you see it, but closing the bolt open handed while it's moving towards the trigger and a little click, slip or sweaty palm then bang. Thanks!
Good man! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for putting out this video John. Sometimes I think we as humans get so routine(not a bad thing) that we forget sometimes to not reevaluate it. Not saying that would change anything but it’s just a reminder that things can and do happen even with the most routine things in our lives.
Gun safety, first and foremost, it shows a discharge, can happen to anyone at any time.....................Thanks for sharing !!
Great video. Well done 👍🏻
Well done John. Admitting and error or accident, is never comfortable. You've done an important PSA here. You're encouraging others to be safe and practice safety. Safety is an active, ongoing process. You can't just attend a safety briefing and automagically be safe.
Keep up the good work John.
I appreciate all the content you share, from front rest adjustments, reloading, reloading equipment .. along with like this video re: safety .. thanks a bunch
Well, things do happen. "mine" was caused by a build up of carbon in the fireing pin channel inside the bolt. No why can it be known it was building up. And acted as a slam fire on a BOLT GUN.
it happened to me at a USPSA match not to long ago, I. shot the dirt about 8 feet in front of me on the draw. That distance is important, 10 feet is considered ok, but 8 feet got me disqualified. Very tough lesson for me to learn... My Atlus hand gun has a 1 pound trigger, that's pretty light for a pistol. If I'm going to run that light of a trigger, I need to use it safely.
We police ourselves and thankfully you are an honest person we can all learn. I had the same thing first stage of a major prs match, a 700 yard tgt and swept hitting only a few inches wide of the intended tgt. Not a person even noticed. I pulled myself and ro’ed the rest of the match. Our integrity is all we really have and I value all the personal relationships I have made in many genres. We all make each other better. Love your content!
That’s why it’s important to follow all the fundamental rules of gun safety. In the event that you have made a mistake on one, the other three(+) should prevent harm from happening.
Great video and I agree always keep your rifle pointed in a safe direction
Thank you! Courage to own it and commitment to make a change, Respect!!!
Great video John and your honesty is commendable.
It has happened to me a couple times when shooting sporting clays. I was in the cage, gun to shoulder and had the gun go off before attended.
There are those who have, those who will, and those who’ve lied about a negligent discharge. Props to you for owning your mistake. I’m sure there are others who would have edited that video. You didn’t and took ownership for it. Props to you.
One of my blessings is shooting a right handed gun left handed. One hand for the switch, one for the bullets.
Thank you for sharing , even tho you have seen it all , there is something new you can experience .
Thanks for posting. I've never had an issue but it's made me think of how I can be even safer.
Cup your palm to open and close your bolt. It keeps fingers together.
Thanks for the Video. As important as accuracy is to me, it takes a backseat to safety.
No one is perfect. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻🇦🇺
Been there, pinky finger clipped my 1 oz trigger.
What would happened if this would have occurred during a match?
You'd have to take whatever score the round achieved. In my case, it would've been a 9. Here's the rule on it.
14.6 All Shots Count-All shots fired by a competitor after he has taken his position at the firing point will be counted in his or her score even if the rifle may be accidentally discharged. (In the event of a trigger malfunction, see Rule 9.6.1(b) or 10.10(b)).
Did it land in the group.
I’m all for the multiple layers of cheese. That’s what is said over here in the U.K.
Thank you and it was a 9 (high I believe).
You manned up on this. Class act, good on you!
Happens to all of us, my turn is still coming.
John, this is nothing more than being task saturated in a controlled environment that resulted in a discharge.
That is why you and the rest of work in a controlled environment. Unplanned things come up in all sorts of environments. Flying, race car testing, shooting tests, matches and competitions of all types.
Thank you, I appreciate that. Long term it's turned out to be an unexpected great learning point and has helped change my positioning and rifle operation that is actually improving my shooting.
Ty
Good on you! More respect.
So you bumped it with your right hand I’m guessing it was hard for me to tell on the video.
Yeah exactly.
accidental and negligent discharges are NOT the same thing. A negligent discharge is user induced (your pinkie); an accidental discharge is a failure of the firearm. This was definitely a negligent discharge. Changing the way you close the bolt (with your hand behind the bolt handle using your first two fingers to push the bolt handle forward and down) keeps your "extra" fingers to the right of the firearm. Then trigger hand engages the trigger guard. With that said, good on you for putting this out, and analyzing your process to reduce potential failure points in your firing process.
Hey John, thanks for sharing this video... I really like how you analyzed the incident and defined countermeasures to improve your (already very good) gun safety even further.
Thank you for sharing!
definitely a teachable moment... and the importance of first 3 rules of gun safety taught by the NRA
ALWAYS keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction..
ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use
ALWAYS keep your booger picker of the pew pew switch until ready to shoot
Oh take a break !!!!
Not happening@@jorgefigueroa7573
I also just had a similar incident on a team match this past weekend, I closed the bolt, went to line up my shot, found I was bottomed out on my joystick adjustment, moved and reached up with my left hand to adjust rest and my right hand bumped the trigger around the same time. Also felt sick about it.
Thank you for sharing this John and thank you for being open about it. Definetly a learning lesson for us. I just witnessed last week the same thing to an experience shooter. Once again John thank you for sharing this, God bless!
I did the same thing Saturday. Little finger hit the trigger as I closed the bolt. In too big a hurry to get another shot off in the wind condition. Shot a 9. Excellent and responsible video!
I have seen guys not check their guns to see if the are clear. I have watched people draw from a holster and shoot the ground next to them. I was talking with an old friend and he had an AD and the shot hit inches from my foot. I have even had a rifle go off when I didn’t expect it from trigger issues when bolt closed on a gun I no longer own. But like you I had it pointed in a safe direction and on target. John I’ve shot with you and watched you shoot. You practice safe gun handling each and every time. Shit happens it’s called life, as long as no one gets hurt and you can learn from it that’s what matters most. Respect you for making this video to address it and show others how to handle something like this.
John, Just my 2 cents. Your an excellent person and sharing the incident as an example is awesome. But personally, I don't think anything was done wrong. You fired the your rifle out of your normal sequence that you normally do. The line is hot, your in position. Your muzzle is pointed down range at your target. Other people are shooting around you. No one else around you would have even noticed you doing a bump fire, even if you were trying to do it. All the Roger Ranger karen Safety inspectors on the internet can go pound sand. All good!!! You don't need to explain yourself.
Great video. It has likely happened to us all. That’s why safety is SO important. That AD of yours went in a safe direction, luckily.
Excellent video on a topic nobody likes but everyone needs to be aware of and understand. These are a fact of shooting life and denying it only creates a more dangerous situation. You pointed out the biggest points to address safety, the rules of safety were followed and the failure was easy to spot and correct going forward. I really appreciate big name shooters taking the time to address these issues as the more people are aware of it the more they can learn from others to hopefully avoid bad habits or see part of their routine that needs to be adjusted to prevent accidents. Thank you again, great channel as always!
Dear John, I greatly respect your knowledge, achievements and work. However, as a sound engineer, I must point out the poor sound quality in your videos. I will be very happy to help you in this matter. This is not an advertisement and I do not want money for it, just want to help. Sometimes I will ask you for advice on shooting. Please contact me.
Thanks for sharing John I picked up on that on that video. I couldn’t tell what happened then thanks for explaining and helping us all be as safe as possible!
I’ve been there 🙋♂️
Top notch how u handled this. And the solution approach is also very well done. Kudos to you, could not have been done or said better.
Thank you for posting this. As you said, most of us that shoot a lot can use a reminder to refocus on keeping safety first.
Integrity
Well done for owning the error, and having good gun handling, so the shot went in a 'safe' direction
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I want to know if it landed in the group. 😂
It was a nine and I think it was high.
Thanks for sharing. Great take and great reminder!
Thank you for the video.
Shit happends 🥂
A lesser man would not make this video.