One of the facts i hate about Indian cities is there is no proper sidewalk even though majority of Indian population dont own cars. Even footpath have build, the hawkers put their stalls illegally.
I used to think all of these things and randomly found this channel 😂😂 now when I read the comments, I realised most of us are there like me who think like this
True, I see Americans complaining about not having dutch city style bike lanes and it makes me wonder how in India forget about bike lanes, we don't even have sidewalks, literally a street is occupied by everyone pedestrians, bikes, cars, trucks, street vendors, slums, and it's so chaotic
@@faeezparkar9731that's because Americans can ran over anyone and get away with laywer. In USA, road belongs to cars!. You can get arrested by police or ran over by raging Audi or bmw driver for jaywalking. Think of American mass shoo....tings and why Americans commit this act.....Americans are aggresive and crazy...and have poor life balance
In America, suburbs feels like semi rural, quiet, peaceful... In Mumbai, suburbs are noisy, industrial, have malls, small scale industrial estates etc.
Jo rehta hai usse puch bhai , Bhai peaceful jarur lagta hai lekin samshan ki tarah sb shant hai Koi bahar nahi dikhta kyoki kuch nahi hai bahar gharo ke alawa , Har baat pr car ka sahara lena padta hai Insaano ke chahal pehal na hone ke karan depressing lagta hai ..... Yaha aake dekho india ke liye tadpoge
@Akarsh2008 it's not about they're rich they can afford car , American cities basically developed car centric so they need car and biking laws are very strict you have riding gear helmet all the time when brings out your bike so it makes no sense to use bikes
Cities like London, Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo are ideal for improving infrastructure of already established cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Banglore & Kolkata and Newyork, Singapore, Dubai are ideal for new green field city projects for future.
@Akarsh2008 Naa we can't go china way even if we wanted to. Firstly, they themselves are obsessed to show the world that they can build skyscrapers and for that they just completely removed their old cities and built buildings on top of it. Nanjing for example, the old capital city was a very big and culturally rich city, its like if british had demolished most of old delhi to build new delhi on top of it. They are very much obcessed with copying americans and they can also do so because their government controls literally everything. No land aquisition, no permissions, no court stays, just demolish and build whatever and wherever they want.
@Akarsh2008 Bro how old are you? Okay first of all our cities are not that bad as you make them look. They just need good local administration and some awareness of locals. Secondly, to improve a city we do not need to demolish everything and build new. Tokyo is also very very old city and its one of the best cities today and they have achieved it by good governance and improveing upon old things and not destroying them. Take paris, berlin, london. All these cities are much older than the country of US and yet they comes in the list of best cities.
Indian cities should not be car centric, we have the advantage of starting late. We need to analyse every city from other countries & create custom solutions for ourselves.
Sensible comment . American suburban planning is worst . American people are complaining about it . They are saying European planning is better than theirs .
M sorry navi mumbai is no where close to top notch planning when it comes to sidewalks and illegal street vendors and garbage dumpings on already existing sidewalks. The problem is we Indians are made to satisfy with mediocracy, once we actually start visiting developed cities we will understand the real meaning of proper planning. (Also illegal slums have started developing in navi-mumbai, especially seawoods and below flyovers.
@@FakeAccount-wp5wv that has nothing to do with their city planning . You have to see the "not just bikes" video about the economic downside of American zoning and city planning . Basically building suburbs can easily bankrupt your city because the cost of maintaining is so high that if citizens pay any less than 28% property tax the city cannot sustain that suburb economically profitable by at least 0.0001%.
less than >1 % of india or even less is developed (for western standards) rest is sub urban african even ambani's antilia is next to a slum sad reality we need to change that which will take 50-60 years kab tak bristish ke colonisation ko blame krte rahenge
It is okay if residences and businesses stay together but need better planning of roads to decongest city. Bangalore has mix of both but not all roads are broad enough.
When they stay together, rents compete against commercial rentals, it pushes the lower middle/poor outside, increasing the need for transport. Have fun.
@@rutvikrshaving it seprate increase the dependency on private vehicles. Even to get a vegetable you end up driving 5 Km. Have fun with increased pollution and congestion
We should not implement american system they have worst urban planning, We should keep mixed use of commercial and Residential Just keep industrial area away
@@Karan.j.s-999-t9q public transport needs density to sustain US cities lack those thier stark contrast between Downtown where Density is high and suddenly u go into residential area which are single family homes
India don't need any downtown The mixed zonned development is best but we have to only improve cleanliness and decor of the area..... Like unwanted hordings, parked vehicle... & Use of footpath should also be promoted......
Lol. 😂😂😂 Step 1: place businesses inside residential areas. 2: keep attracting a workforce 3: lose influence of improving society as the language/culture begin to diffuse. 4. Blame migrants and create a nativist party. 5. Watch the area you grew up in lose all its public land to market forces/mafioso politician. Every square inch is covered with an ad and main roads of the area turn into pure commercial areas. 6.the influx of money and people causes traffic jams, lack of parking area, hawkers taking over footpaths/parking zones. Migrant labour has to move 20kms away to afford rent. Even more inefficient movement. 7. Blame Congress/BJP as the government has to bring the wrecking ball to correct the issue. Forced acquisition leads to hyper expensive public infrastructure like flyovers and metro.
@@praz7 and Bengaluru, NCR, Chennai and every place in earth with mix use. People still don't get it. You can never compete with a business on rent. As artarded as it sounds, Americans got it right by keeping residential areas, free of commerce, agriculture and factories.
In India, the IT cities are worst. BLR still looks like village on street level even with so many world class IT parks. HYD had great opportunity but they also wasted it by building all wall covered software factories & big gated townships instead of mix use commercial & residential towers in its new booming construction zone. Jakarta is the city which I noticed is what HYD can be like in its best form as it also suffers from same walls & security gates issue. Otherwise look how good the streets get planned in equivelent cities of Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia & even Phnom Penh & Colombo.
bhai south india equator ke neeche hai radiation bohot hai waha sun bohot tez hai aur north me bc pollution hai , their is no ideal city to live in india except village govt should make well planned city like DUBAI and NEOM
@@harshshree5764 Bhai dono desh mein Royal family rule karte hain . Future mein agar problem hua toh easily policy change bhi kar sakte hai jo ki India mein possible nahi hain . Yahan politician pehle vote ke bare mein sochte hain . Agar koi union blackmail kare toh government jhuk jata hai . Rarely koi risk leta hai .
Walk to work is best concept 😊. We should only look for that 😊. Thats also environmental friendly , reduce noice and air pollution and also reduces traffic 😊
Thats just stupid concept, how will basic necessity like groceries reach to public. It sounds good on paper like organic farming but not feasible in practice. A 1 litre packaged water bottle travels over 200km to reach you.
It's a myth that down towns don't have residential properties & there are always skyscrapers in down town. Down town concept actually is all about high density mix use development which has plenty of retail, consumption, social & recreational spaces & businesses available openly at street level which are open to access for pedestrians & everything is available at walking distance or through a quick short public transport commute. Residences , Offices & Hotel rooms take higher floors in multi storied buildings be it 5 floor or 100 floor building!
India should develop high speed and semi high speed long distance train and metro(rrts) systems to reduce traffic problems in long and short distance travel.
@@rutvikrs watch Japnese shinkansen documentary. You will understand the need for high speed rail and faster regional transportation. India is the country with high population density. It is possible to run high speed train because of economics of scale. India need to develop 10000km of HSR(300km+) and 30000km of semi high(
Still, I like New York City planning. That's more organized and well planned city. NY looks good, grid planning, wide footpaths, wide roads,parks, high rise buildings and building architecture looks good. Indian cities look ugly and messy. We can adopt a system where shops are located in the residential area like it is already there in our cities, but office buildings will be located in a different zone ,in that zone, we can build high rise buildings and those buildings will be shared by different companies so that more commercial offices can occupy in small area. Malls will be located in between residential and commercial/office zones.
personal opinion - skyscrapers arent too good either. they add to the population density and india (a very very rough estimate) is around 12-15 times denser than the usa, considering the overall nation; almost 2-3 times in the bustling regions. the region where i previously lived was indira nagar in nasik and that area is at par with the european ideal of walkable cities but lacks footpaths because it's in india. what this helps to state is, we are already there but that part of management or city planning is so very neglected that it looses its appeal. yes, the downtown nasik is shit. people are driving in there with their suv s because they have one and are too lazy. we need to seriously reconsider our planning of the town and mindset of our people. we have all that europe has except people with growth oriented leaders, civic sense, and lumps of money per capita that's our problem
@@low_elo_chessThe way population of India has increased over the period of past 75 years and the way it is still increasing, If we keep on building tiny residential buildings of height 2-5 floors, we will end up having no empty land in this country. Residential buildings should be atleast 15 floor high. High rise residential buildings would help us fit large population into smaller area than what current cities are occupying. This will also helps to keep the prices of flats affordable.
@@STARK50 I am talking about the planning of the city. Grid layout, wide footpaths and roads, parks , zoning , building architecture etc. NYC might be dirty but the planning of the city layout is good.
DHOLERA is the real hope. All older cities are a chaotic mess that can't be fixed without depopulating them. Compared to major foreign cities, they are hell holes. Wish to see Dholera achieve what we always dreamed.
@@shubhamtubu8027 Delhi NCR and MMR, cities are simply extensions of the overcrowded mosh pit. They are still dependent on old infra. Since Gandhinagar-A-bad were never as developed as Delhi or Mumbai, GIFT has more open space to grow but it's not perfect. Dholera is the only one that will be built ground up with its own completely new infra. It is not codependent like NOIDA, Gurugram, N. Mumbai or GIFT. Dholera also has India's best location, on the Gulf. I2U2, IMEC and INSC will need Dholera.
@@AO-xd2ml If that is the case you've to wait for at least 2040-50 for the total completion of that project. Waise gift bhi ground field project hai, ha dholera ki tarah vast area me nhi baan raha but time ke sath sath phase wise failta rahega
Downtown Los Angeles, Downtown Detroit, Downtown San Francisco and many other Downtowns in the US are hell anyway, they have more tents than skyscrapers now. Homeless and drug addicts everywhere. That’s a failure for the US.
@@dowjong City has expanded and now all nearby residential villages which were not in muncipal council are now included. Wait till next census for proper data. By the way,you can see the size of Ytl on Google earth to confirm by comparing it to any of your reference city of that size. Tell me the name of your reference city for comparison.
Yes I agree, in OUR INDIA, many Builders/Developers building Big Residencial complex with School, Shopping malls, entertainment hubs and many other amenities, I think that's very cool and nice, That's good.
The best planning is of European cities. Because both indian and American city models have demerits. Take the Case of NOIDA which i think follows zoning laws more than any indian city but the main problem is that I've to travel atleast 2-3km from my flat to buy even a chocolate. Whereas European cities follow a circular zoning pattern which is best of both Worlds
I will give example of my city Pune, here the downtown or "city centre" with the exception of Erawande, tends to be promiently residental and many well to do people tend to commute to "suburbs" of the city like Wakad, Baner, Hadapsar, Hinjewadi, etc for work. My cousins, who live in USA its different. the residential areas are in suburbs and people from these suburbs commute to the city center for work. For example, in NYC, the residential areas are in places in NJ like parsipanny and edison (suburbs) but people from these places go to Manhattan for work
Bt new york has better public transport. For Pune uta different thing. Pune people waste most money on travelling than any person of india. Cuz Pune has shit public transport than any metro city of india. Except rent and houses everything is actually costly in Pune. Pimpri Chinchwad is better than Pune. In fact many Pune kar come to Pimpri Chinchwad for jobs.
Key point missed, the business is part of the culture/mentality, especially women. Even if we have implement strict zonal laws like US, there are lot of people who run business from home. 90 to 95% of Indian rural and sub-urban populated areas, house and business is the same. Usually, US downtown refers to the seat of the govt (police station, local court, local/municipal office). With high density of population, business centers in India shift away from the govt areas.
In walkable distance within 2-5 mins I have grocery store Milk store vegetables store fruits store Bank ATMs salon parks hotels cafe's and other stores. Do Americans have this luxury they have to travel kilometres to get above services waste of time and petrol and more pollution
That's why Japanese city planning is better. They have a mixed residential and commercial areas with varying percentages. In total, they have 12 different zones. ua-cam.com/video/geex7KY3S7c/v-deo.htmlsi=_qiXNkl5urSFWYgl
They have footpath to walk, without stalls planted and vehicles parked on the middle of the footpath. They have peaceful streets, without people horning for no reason. Stop being foolish.
Ridiculous. Most suburban areas in USA have very convenient neighborhood shops, strip malls, grocery stores and big box stores like walmart where you can get all the goods and services you have mentioned, and you can get there in just two or three minutes.
That's even more dangerous... actually both are similar. Chinese model of infra. - kindly visit Shenzen, Hong Kong, Beijing etc. all the main cities and experience the natural disasters they have created by removing greencover and constructing crowded skyscraper metropolises. None of the many new real estate properties have been sold.... (that's a topic for later) however this model and high consumerism has led to total disaster in urban city planning that has caused negative impact on nature. These type of cities actually shouldn't exist on Earth. There is a tipping limit for everything. One's everything crosses the line, then you will experience nature's fury. The no. of sinkholes, earthquakes among other tragedies that occur (incl. reduction in insect pop. and erosion of biosphere) are all the work of megalopolis cities.
@@harshitrai5306 Haaan bhaiiiii pataaa haiiiii... Maine bas bolna chaha ki China ki bhi developments India jaisa hai... Pure asia main koi downtown concept nhi hai.
@@bidyutmanna3900bhai china ke bohot youtubers hai jo walk karke drive karke pura 1-2 ghante ka video daalte hai city ka kabhi dekhna time mile to or compare karna mujhe unka concept west se bhi achha lagata hai bo logo ne huge population ko achhe se manage kiya hai wahi humko seekh ke india mai implement karna chahiye india mai rules and regulations nhi hai Urban planning govt body sooo rhe hai Indians ka minded hai jesa chal rha hai chalne doo tabhi hum piche hai 😢😢
Replicating a North American-style downtown in India, while attractive for its potential efficiency and economic boost, faces a tightrope walk of cultural adaptation, social inclusivity, and sustainability. Imposing a rigid grid may disrupt existing urban fabric and displace communities, while the density could exacerbate traffic and pollution. To succeed, such a project must integrate with existing landscapes, involve locals in planning, prioritize mixed-use development and environmentally friendly infrastructure, and avoid succumbing to gentrification ultimately, a successful Indian downtown is not a copy, but an innovative adaptation that bridges modernity with its unique context.
Don't overcomplicate it. It's hard enough to get something decent, as it is! India must put a world class city on the ground, that people from across the world gravitate towards.
@@AO-xd2ml Bitchh! Spare me the psychoanalysis, Freud Lite. My breakdown was simple: my brain overloaded due to excessive exposure to your insufferable smugness. Now take your 'virtue signaling' act and do everyone a favor - shut tf up.
@@AO-xd2mldon’t complicate it? do you think it’s something easy to do? all points brought up are extremely important if we want to build great cities for the long term. otherwise we’ll just continue building in a mess
I can say one thing that most indian cities dont have that skyscrappers but yeah cities like hyderabad , banglore , gurgaon , mumbai , noida etc have beautiful buildings which can challange international level
best planning hai jisme 2-3 large down towns hon, 1-2 transportation hubs, 1-2 logistics hubs, industrial area alag hona chahiye, or sab jageh residential complexes bhi hone chahiye to keep population & traffic distribution proper....plus residential areas k andar 500m - 1000m ki distance pe ya per 200-250 houses ko cater karne k liye commercial complex hona chahiye...jisme following facilities hon: * department stores * gym, atm * cafes, lounges, daaru sutte ki dukaan * restaurants (not big chain types, normal type k) * clinics * tailor, cobbler, mechanic, shops * vendor area for thele walas * offices, rooms & halls for renting to coaching * parking area * green area, open space for timepass this is also available in india but with bad planning, awas vikas & city development authorities provide such planning...but only limited to few cities (capitals) that too in some posh areas....
Don’t know why India 🇮🇳 states shouldn’t build western type of Financial, Business District Downtowns.. Many countries 🌆 in the west have 1000’s of Downtowns …
"Western type" architecture is the best recipe for an environmental disaster. We should be extremely sustainable in our approach. Even Western articles and publications including research papers suggest a sustainable approach for all developing countries as developed ones have a terrible issue now to change their already present strict congested infrastructure. Read an article on "thebetterindia" written by "Himanshu Nitnaware" on sustainable villages being pioneered by western scholars actually. They are utilizing traditional Bharatiya architecture to build sustainable dwelling and working ecosystems in Bharat. Then wherever required (like locomotion - trains, buses etc.) we can have high tech.
@@TheB657 Sir GIFT City 🏙️ Gujarat Financial District abhi banna start hua hai but America 🇺🇸 mein 100 saal pehle ban rahe hai , China 🇨🇳 mein bhi .. Baat mein wazan nahi hai.
Mixed cities are better than downtown here we gets shops kirana even shopping malls at walking distance instead of far away where you have travel by car for even small thing...its better for ease of living and less commuter traffic centralized way
I think Zones me divide karna ek bahot accha idea hai, lekin implementation kuch is tarah se karo ⭕Har Residential society ko residential zone banado, lekin us society ke just bagal wali society ki jageh pe local business and markets bana do, aur in local businesses ko under Local Markets Zone rakh do, ab hoga aese kuch, ki residential zone me sirf local log rahenge koi chhoti si shop bhi nahi hogi and Local Markets Zone me sirf aur sirf local shops and small market hogi,, koi bhi local yahan pe nahi rahega Aur dhyan ye rakho ki dono zones bahot zyada pass paas honi chahiye, jisse local market ka access easily mil jaye local people ko, ⭕Residential zones ke liye basic government bodies like Police Station and Sub Post Offices, Medical and healthcare , and Banks ki sub branches, and ATM's etc. inko ek Common Zone me rakh do, for local markets and local people. And the biggest thing is, Is Common Zone ko local market zone and residential zone ke beech me rakho, kuch is tarah ki, local peole basic needs ke liye zyada travel na kare. ⭕Ab badi badi companies like Infosys, HCL, Airtel, Jio etc. ke liye ek seperate zone banao, aur in zones tak pahuchne ke liye roads ki connectivity ko bahot shandaar kar do Local markets zone se and Residential zone se, Jisse hoga ye ki traffic ki problem bhi solve rahegi, aur in badi badi companies ko local market ka bhi easy access mil jayega. ⭕Jitne Government ke offices and buildings hain, unko in companies wale zones ke kareeb rakho, aur usko bhi exclusive banao, in the sense, India post, RTO, court, Electricity department etc. sab ke offices ek hi area me banao, Ab badi badi companies and local people ke liye government bodies ka use karna aasan ho jayega ⭕And finally, jahan pe factories hongi, usko ek seperate zone banao, aur aesa kuch karo ki, ye zones residential areas se bilkul bhi connected na ho, for safety and pollution purpose,,
downtown ka concept bohot amerikan he mostly europe me bhi aur japan me city centres hote he india ki tarah jaise india gate aur kuch monuments ke around jaise branderburg gate in germany eiffel tower in paris
Gov wants to redevelop dharavi, but political parties with locals are protesting against it. So before developing infra people's minds should be developed. Aur har chij me goo khane wala opposition to hai hi apna.
American downtown concept is horrible. Mixed zoning is the best. As long as polluting industry is not built next to residencies. It’s better to stick to mixed use land otherwise everyone is forced to drive/go to the same point leading to traffic.
At least factories and other pollution creating industries should be tried to keep separated from corporate offices, residential buildings and farms...that will help to maintain the quality of mass people and plants lives.
Actually Bombay was the only city which had a 'downtown' that was commonly referred as Town area. From Bombay Central southwards to Colaba was generally considered town. And From Bombay Central north till Mahim was mid town while the suburbs started form Bandra "Queen of the suburbs"
Our biggest problem is the population is we didn’t have so much population it would be much easier to make huge reforms. Sadly we cannot do that not unless we reduce our population somehow. Which should be indias main focus now. I’d say about 90% of Indias problems can be solved with less population.
@@rutvikrs because china has one party system so no one goes against them at all so development is much faster for them than for us. Also the population isn’t a problem because their cities were properly planned as their population was growing. Their country is also much bigger than us. Nearly 3x we are at 3.3M sqkm but china is at 9.6M sqkm. Plus our mentality needs to be changed too in different countries they have rules and people follow them. We also believe in it’s not my problem when it comes to fixing things. In other countries if you see potholes or something wrong the person usually calls the authorities to make sure the problem is resolved but over here we just leave thinking it’s a lot of work and not our problem. We are also very lazy people, other countries like to develop or redesign new things even people living in villages tend invent or innovate things but our people like to just chill and relax. We cannot build a proper country like this, we need to learn from china and build infrastructure without delays, implement extremely strict rules for people who disobey the rules and regulations. If we wish to see our country looking like other countries then we better be prepared to make huge sacrifices.
What's the need for down town india ?? Will it generate more gdp or economy ? I dont want waste of tax payers money , building a statue or any kind of tower or skycappers or largest railway station or largest airport or metro or pyramid are more better investment as they will generate tourism money for indian people in long and be a best investment for economy
No matter how much the authorities change or fix cities, the people are undisciplined, do not follow rules and regulations, and hardly pay taxes (that are required for redevelopment). PEOPLE need to change first. You want "Europe" or "Singapore" in India, then start keeping your cities clean and start following BASIC rules.
Government should make it compulsory that in schools they should start teaching about cleanliness and discipline from primary level . It will help in future . Like in Japan they do . They learn and work on it from early age . Leaving upto Indian people will not solve the problem . Majority adult people themselves are lazy and ignorants what they will teach to their children ? These children and kids are the future adults who will shape India's future . Hence government must include it in school curriculum .
Indian megacities like Mumbai, Delhi and Bangalore and many smaller cities feels like conglomerates of many smaller cities and suburban areas. This system is efficient, but not always visually aesthetic.
We don't have to copy downtown because of this downtown concept dependency on individual vehicle increase. To buy even one vegetable in US you end up driving 10 km which isn't the case in India
It's basically the same in Pakistan. Pakistan is a part of the Indian subcontinent btw and many of its biggest cities are similar to modern Indian cities as they used to be in the same nation before 1947
if we manage to reduce waste and trash and maintain a well systematic plan and laws for the reducing trash it will result a more beautiful cities than the concept of Downton
Bcz they are Americanized heavily after they surrendered to USA (after hiroshima nagashaki incident), not only in economic model, city planning but also in military
@@Harsh_Singh89 Slums are everywhere, US mein bhi hai, in fact homeless people abb waha pe badhi samasya hai. Singapore is the region who has dealt with this problem very well. India ko target kiya jaata hai Western media ke jariye lekin khud ka chupa ke rakhte hai Hamaare Marathi mein eke kahavat hai " Dusryaancha bagaachya vaakun, swatacha thevaaycha jhaakun" Matlab " Dusro ka jhook jhook kar dekhna, aur khud ka chupa kar rakhna" Ye pura fit bhaithta hai Americans ko.
I like chandigarh design. City is divided intro sectors where each sector is divided into 4 parts . So, you get sector-1A,1B,1C,1D. Two parts of sector are for shops and business. Other 2 are for housing. All industrial and factory thing is outside of the of the city. Great design.
Honestly from the thumbnail : "Not impressed by downtowns and skyscrapers built by the west beginning from Dubai. These are totally unsustainable and put more pressure on the land leading to disasters (which America's already facing by the way). Even cities like Mumbai or the Dharawi like areas are hellholes. What one needs is the old traditional mandala like concept spread across vast areas with more forests and nature around. Highrise culture was not followed in Europe due to space and the environmental hazards that they posed." Coming from someone who has lived in Dubai and Amsterdam while also visited the entire east coast of U.S incl. NY on business visits. Bharat needs traditional approach to architecture that is minimalistic and classic but sustainable (mingles nature with the built environment). Not unsustainable, polluted hellholes where you only go to get sick and get admitted in the hospital for the rest of your lives.
@@ayushmankar4100 Mein Mumbai se hun Bhai aur Navi Mumbai mein reh chuka hun. Navi Mumbai ko Mumbai se accha bolte hain kyunki planned hai. Lekin is mein bhi problem bohot hai. Jitna industrialization ho rha hai aur population bad rhi hai, Navi Mumbai "greencover" ko purna tarah hata rha hai. This is my 30 years of exp. in Mumbai speaking, I was also born here and got myself educated here. Even architectural and sustainable forums agree with the "development" major cities around the world (incl. Tokyo - largest city in the world by pop. density by the way) is disastrous for the environment. There will be many arguments w.r.t logistical impracticality however "modern cities are unsustainable and threaten the environment and lives of people who live there" which is the truth. We have to revolutionize the techniques applied for real estate. City planning should be taken due care. See Amsterdam or berlin. Even here they have problems with less green cover. However Switzerland has somehow incorporated both. Dubai being a desert have brought "green cover" to their cities but the natural greencover we have, we loose it ? What logic is this ?
All due respect, travelling or living in an area doesn't mean you understand the design decisions. India already wasted 4-5 decades on the spread philosophy. We have learnt from that mistake, the mixing of commercial and residential increases the movement of labour(no local in Mumbai wants to work for a 15k salary, the migrant has to take residence 30km away to afford life), prevents consolidation and development of supply chains(running a supermarket for a small village or hypermarket for a town is infeasable.) And the inevitable concentrations get hyper saturated with commercial interests criminalising to monetize(real estate mafia, land sharks, litigious activism, illegal Advertising on poles/public transport).
@@rutvikrs With all due respect , one cannot sacrifice common sense for "development". India hardly has few planned cities like Durgapur and Navi Mumbai. The word "development" doesn't mean constructing packed skyscrapers close to each other like a dense jungle to cater to the increasing needs of commercialization and consumption. Due importance has to be given to the environment. As per environmental forums, this type of congested city building has already set the lifespan of cities like NY, Mumbai and Tokyo to name a few. "Undue Stress" is created on the soil and without extremely expensive projects, the cities won't hold together in the event on natural calamity. All that was built, all money spent would mean nothing if the city itself doesn't exist due to the inevitable. City planning must be taken seriously. It cannot be overlooked for commercialization at the cost of environmental stability with the support of which you live.
You said mixed zoning is good and we Indians doesn’t have to go far to buy, but what is included in mixed zoning is the issue, heavy machinery, and other work that should be outside of residential areas is mixed so need to change that, due to mixed zoning we see lots of traffic in residential areas
I visited Chandigarh once I couldn't find a guy on a bike without a helmet. Everything is so well managed! Problem with other cities is they were never planned before but new areas at least should have been made according to planning so newer population would love to reside in newer areas and as older parts would get obsolete they could have been restored with newer and better infrastructure, planning and management . But no one fcking cares
When cities stop spreading outwards they go upwards, but in india cities are rapidly spreading outwards and the slums are slowly converting into better houses... In america things are very inefficient due to being made almost 100+ years ago, india is reaching a industrial revolution today which america faced a 100 years ago. Also there is a limit to how tall a building could be made, so even in prime areas buildings are limited by restrictions, if fsi restrictions are removed, in 20-30 years mumbai will have taller buildings than new york due to very high population density. If you dont know western cities dont have the best downtowns, if you really wanna see downtowns, asia has more crazier than america, like Shenzhen, hong kong, Singapore, shanghai, etc....
Chandigarh is probably the only city in India which can meet western standards in terms of infrastructure. It's really a lot lot better when compared to even major Indian cities like Delhi and Mumbai.
Firstly, you'll easily find residences in downtown areas in USA, they're just very expensive. Secondly, creating a single central business district for the whole city like in USA is not the best urban design, nor is creating a cbd on the outskirts of the historical city like in Europe. Tokyo is a good example of there being multiple business hubs spread out across the city which also become transit hubs, that is something that can be emulated in Indian cities.
us & canada zoning is very bad... their lifestyle is car-centric because of those single use zoning...if you want to take inspiration look at TOKYO mixed zoning
not just Americano white countries even in developed asian countries like china japan there are also downtown india is unorganized and chaotic country so no downtown here
Sir you talked about India being ancient country and was poor after independence hence we developed this kind of mixed areas. That is not true see China, they are ancient civilization and were as poor as us, sure their government is communist and can do anything without carrying about public. So at the it is about government making policies and enforcing those policies for development and beautification. What is stopping us now from getting rid of street vendors who capture half of the street, what is stopping us now from making parkings and reducing car parkings on the road, what is stopping us from removing stray animals like dogs and cows from roads, what is stopping us from prohibiting animals like horse and donkey using to ship goods and create this sore to the eyes, what is stopping us from making walkways or basic laws like people have to pickup their pets poop in public places??? No foreign power is here to stop us but due to political reasons, afraid of not getting votes for removing street vendors, cows, etc etc is the reason India looks unorganized and ugly. These are harsh words I know but when I want to compare my country to other nation this is the reality. Now some can say don’t compare India with other countries, we are Indian and this is India we don’t need anyone. Also these are the same people who will happily compare Indian military with nations like Pakistan or African nations. Point is I want my country to be no.1 and beautiful. And western countries I use for example or reference because those countries looks good, organized traffic, no street vendor occupying half of the road, clean roads, free of stray animals, proper parkings
There can be no downtown in India due to illegal slums cropping up everywhere..in Mumbai for a area Like BKC you will see slums in few pockets thus hindering development
First reason you have given is actually not correct. Though indian cities are old, but they were not actually cities that time, they were just some small livable areas. Mostly cities are developed in last 25-30 years only. When now the cities which are expanding are not expanding in plannee manner. Come to europe every major city is easily 500-600 years old. Infact the one i am living is 1000 years old but still planned.
Aapne India ki compares America se ker diya. Aapko European countries se compare se kerna chahiye. Jo kafi systematically bana hai abhi bhi whan ke log purane hazar salon ke gharo me rahte hai
This is exactly the point. Unfortunately Indian mainstream culture and academia is so westernized to comprehend the truth of sustainability via traditional approach.
One of the facts i hate about Indian cities is there is no proper sidewalk even though majority of Indian population dont own cars. Even footpath have build, the hawkers put their stalls illegally.
Enjoy mix use.
I used to think all of these things and randomly found this channel 😂😂 now when I read the comments, I realised most of us are there like me who think like this
Chandigarh is different
True, I see Americans complaining about not having dutch city style bike lanes and it makes me wonder how in India forget about bike lanes, we don't even have sidewalks, literally a street is occupied by everyone pedestrians, bikes, cars, trucks, street vendors, slums, and it's so chaotic
@@faeezparkar9731that's because Americans can ran over anyone and get away with laywer.
In USA, road belongs to cars!.
You can get arrested by police or ran over by raging Audi or bmw driver for jaywalking.
Think of American mass shoo....tings and why Americans commit this act.....Americans are aggresive and crazy...and have poor life balance
Usually , Downtown culture is mostly american , Not even european.
There are negligible high rise buildings in europe.
But it's changing. Look at Frankfurt, Berlin, London, Istanbul, Warsow, Moscow all are developing high rise building.
Because European cities have very less population, But even then they are very well organised
@@vijityadav13 Yes they are well organised..
At least in the 21st century.
In the middle ages , things were very filthy.
Correctly pointed out. Beautifully put 👏
European large cities have down towns for 100s of years, they were just not highrise skylines but it's changing.
In America, suburbs feels like semi rural, quiet, peaceful...
In Mumbai, suburbs are noisy, industrial, have malls, small scale industrial estates etc.
I agree but American suburbs are car centric so it is built far away from the main part of city
Jo rehta hai usse puch bhai , Bhai peaceful jarur lagta hai lekin samshan ki tarah sb shant hai Koi bahar nahi dikhta kyoki kuch nahi hai bahar gharo ke alawa ,
Har baat pr car ka sahara lena padta hai
Insaano ke chahal pehal na hone ke karan depressing lagta hai .....
Yaha aake dekho india ke liye tadpoge
That is also due to the area and less population density.
They where peaceful in 90s but as city grew , suburbs became choice and more crowded. Now people have actually moved into other nearby cities
@Akarsh2008 it's not about they're rich they can afford car , American cities basically developed car centric so they need car and biking laws are very strict you have riding gear helmet all the time when brings out your bike so it makes no sense to use bikes
Cities like London, Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo are ideal for improving infrastructure of already established cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Banglore & Kolkata and Newyork, Singapore, Dubai are ideal for new green field city projects for future.
@Akarsh2008 Naa we can't go china way even if we wanted to. Firstly, they themselves are obsessed to show the world that they can build skyscrapers and for that they just completely removed their old cities and built buildings on top of it. Nanjing for example, the old capital city was a very big and culturally rich city, its like if british had demolished most of old delhi to build new delhi on top of it. They are very much obcessed with copying americans and they can also do so because their government controls literally everything. No land aquisition, no permissions, no court stays, just demolish and build whatever and wherever they want.
Lol 🤣 nice add-on comparison Kolkata with Newyork, Singapore, and Dubai... All Indian cities are dirty, rubbish, polluted, noisy and chaotic
@Akarsh2008 Bro how old are you?
Okay first of all our cities are not that bad as you make them look. They just need good local administration and some awareness of locals. Secondly, to improve a city we do not need to demolish everything and build new. Tokyo is also very very old city and its one of the best cities today and they have achieved it by good governance and improveing upon old things and not destroying them. Take paris, berlin, london. All these cities are much older than the country of US and yet they comes in the list of best cities.
ik u are cringe 12yo. we shouldn't follow china ,but rather European cities . they Are simply more beautiful,historical too@Akarsh2008
@Akarsh2008 I agree with you. We need to take both from China and the US.
Indian cities should not be car centric, we have the advantage of starting late. We need to analyse every city from other countries & create custom solutions for ourselves.
Sensible comment . American suburban planning is worst . American people are complaining about it . They are saying European planning is better than theirs .
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Navi Mumbai is the finest example of planned mixed development city
It will get over crowded in a decade.
M sorry navi mumbai is no where close to top notch planning when it comes to sidewalks and illegal street vendors and garbage dumpings on already existing sidewalks. The problem is we Indians are made to satisfy with mediocracy, once we actually start visiting developed cities we will understand the real meaning of proper planning.
(Also illegal slums have started developing in navi-mumbai, especially seawoods and below flyovers.
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What abt gift city
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America is too car dependent. Walkable cities are the way to go.
Street vendors take over sidewalks/footpaths. Some new plan needs to be devised for this.
Yeah but american economy is far far better and resilient and powerful than whole eu . Eu economy is very weak !
@@FakeAccount-wp5wv that has nothing to do with their city planning . You have to see the "not just bikes" video about the economic downside of American zoning and city planning .
Basically building suburbs can easily bankrupt your city because the cost of maintaining is so high that if citizens pay any less than 28% property tax the city cannot sustain that suburb economically profitable by at least 0.0001%.
More Amsterdams less Los Angeles
I like Chinese city planning. There are e-bikes and e-cycles everywhere and people can walk in the dedicated walkable roads
less than >1 % of india or even less is developed (for western standards) rest is sub urban african even ambani's antilia is next to a slum sad reality we need to change that which will take 50-60 years kab tak bristish ke colonisation ko blame krte rahenge
Ek baar sub sharan Cities visit karke aao phir pata chl jayega ki vo kaisi hai aur Indian cities kaisi hai
Kuch bhi stats boldeta hu intellectual lgunga 🤓.....
Lol kabhi subsaharn cities dekhi bhi hai
Chaina ke cities twenty sal pehle Aaj ke india ki tarah hi dikhte the
Yes u are right , israel did that !! We too need to do that 😊
Don't compare 🇮🇳 With 🇺🇸, 🇨🇳 Or 🇪🇺
We can compare ourself with 🇵🇰,🇱🇰,🇧🇩 In terms Of Infrastructure.
True
It is okay if residences and businesses stay together but need better planning of roads to decongest city. Bangalore has mix of both but not all roads are broad enough.
When they stay together, rents compete against commercial rentals, it pushes the lower middle/poor outside, increasing the need for transport. Have fun.
@@rutvikrshaving it seprate increase the dependency on private vehicles. Even to get a vegetable you end up driving 5 Km.
Have fun with increased pollution and congestion
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We should not implement american system they have worst urban planning,
We should keep mixed use of commercial and Residential
Just keep industrial area away
Correctly said. Am really thrilled to know many understand this.
@@Karan.j.s-999-t9q Basically their way of "planning" threatens the environment as per articles, reports and RPs from U.S.
@@Karan.j.s-999-t9q public transport needs density to sustain
US cities lack those thier stark contrast between Downtown where Density is high and suddenly u go into residential area which are single family homes
@Akarsh2008 well, then visit Jakarta
It's all shiny there but urban planning is worst
Same goes for Dubai as well
Let’s not follow American way of city planning . Let’s look at Tokyo , Singapore or Amsterdam
India don't need any downtown
The mixed zonned development is best but we have to only improve cleanliness and decor of the area..... Like unwanted hordings, parked vehicle...
& Use of footpath should
also be promoted......
Lol. 😂😂😂
Step 1: place businesses inside residential areas.
2: keep attracting a workforce
3: lose influence of improving society as the language/culture begin to diffuse.
4. Blame migrants and create a nativist party.
5. Watch the area you grew up in lose all its public land to market forces/mafioso politician. Every square inch is covered with an ad and main roads of the area turn into pure commercial areas.
6.the influx of money and people causes traffic jams, lack of parking area, hawkers taking over footpaths/parking zones. Migrant labour has to move 20kms away to afford rent. Even more inefficient movement.
7. Blame Congress/BJP as the government has to bring the wrecking ball to correct the issue. Forced acquisition leads to hyper expensive public infrastructure like flyovers and metro.
We can’t do it even if we want
@@rutvikrsdescribed Mumbai 😂
@@praz7 and Bengaluru, NCR, Chennai and every place in earth with mix use. People still don't get it. You can never compete with a business on rent. As artarded as it sounds, Americans got it right by keeping residential areas, free of commerce, agriculture and factories.
In India, the IT cities are worst. BLR still looks like village on street level even with so many world class IT parks. HYD had great opportunity but they also wasted it by building all wall covered software factories & big gated townships instead of mix use commercial & residential towers in its new booming construction zone. Jakarta is the city which I noticed is what HYD can be like in its best form as it also suffers from same walls & security gates issue. Otherwise look how good the streets get planned in equivelent cities of Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia & even Phnom Penh & Colombo.
bhai south india equator ke neeche hai radiation bohot hai waha sun bohot tez hai aur north me bc pollution hai , their is no ideal city to live in india except village govt should make well planned city like DUBAI and NEOM
@@harshshree5764 Bhai dono desh mein Royal family rule karte hain . Future mein agar problem hua toh easily policy change bhi kar sakte hai jo ki India mein possible nahi hain . Yahan politician pehle vote ke bare mein sochte hain . Agar koi union blackmail kare toh government jhuk jata hai . Rarely koi risk leta hai .
Vote for Public Transportation =🚸✅
Car(🚗), Bike(🏍️) =🚫❌
That isn't how things work 😂
Bicycle is good though
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Cycles also 🚲
Walk to work is best concept 😊. We should only look for that 😊.
Thats also environmental friendly , reduce noice and air pollution and also reduces traffic 😊
Thats just stupid concept, how will basic necessity like groceries reach to public. It sounds good on paper like organic farming but not feasible in practice. A 1 litre packaged water bottle travels over 200km to reach you.
It's a myth that down towns don't have residential properties & there are always skyscrapers in down town. Down town concept actually is all about high density mix use development which has plenty of retail, consumption, social & recreational spaces & businesses available openly at street level which are open to access for pedestrians & everything is available at walking distance or through a quick short public transport commute. Residences , Offices & Hotel rooms take higher floors in multi storied buildings be it 5 floor or 100 floor building!
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I think mumbai, bangalore and kolkata has potential to build downtowns
they have old, great downtowns, they just need investment
Andhra na bro nuv,
Hyderabad with 150 buildings above 100m
highest after Mumbai
India should develop high speed and semi high speed long distance train and metro(rrts) systems to reduce traffic problems in long and short distance travel.
And what is that supposed to achieve?
@@rutvikrs less traffic
@@arnavmadkaikar7689 what is the value proposition to make them high speed? You can always choose only two of fast vs cheap vs good.
Kari toh UP aur Delhi me
@@rutvikrs watch Japnese shinkansen documentary. You will understand the need for high speed rail and faster regional transportation. India is the country with high population density. It is possible to run high speed train because of economics of scale. India need to develop
10000km of HSR(300km+) and 30000km of semi high(
Indian roads should be broaded specially going into the market , all electrical wiring should be under ground. 💯
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No
Still, I like New York City planning. That's more organized and well planned city. NY looks good, grid planning, wide footpaths, wide roads,parks, high rise buildings and building architecture looks good. Indian cities look ugly and messy. We can adopt a system where shops are located in the residential area like it is already there in our cities, but office buildings will be located in a different zone ,in that zone, we can build high rise buildings and those buildings will be shared by different companies so that more commercial offices can occupy in small area. Malls will be located in between residential and commercial/office zones.
Sounds good
personal opinion - skyscrapers arent too good either. they add to the population density and india (a very very rough estimate) is around 12-15 times denser than the usa, considering the overall nation; almost 2-3 times in the bustling regions. the region where i previously lived was indira nagar in nasik and that area is at par with the european ideal of walkable cities but lacks footpaths because it's in india. what this helps to state is, we are already there but that part of management or city planning is so very neglected that it looses its appeal. yes, the downtown nasik is shit. people are driving in there with their suv s because they have one and are too lazy. we need to seriously reconsider our planning of the town and mindset of our people. we have all that europe has except people with growth oriented leaders, civic sense, and lumps of money per capita
that's our problem
@@low_elo_chessThe way population of India has increased over the period of past 75 years and the way it is still increasing, If we keep on building tiny residential buildings of height 2-5 floors, we will end up having no empty land in this country. Residential buildings should be atleast 15 floor high. High rise residential buildings would help us fit large population into smaller area than what current cities are occupying. This will also helps to keep the prices of flats affordable.
@@kolkataguy3917New York is one of the dirtiest city of USA
@@STARK50 I am talking about the planning of the city. Grid layout, wide footpaths and roads, parks , zoning , building architecture etc. NYC might be dirty but the planning of the city layout is good.
DHOLERA is the real hope. All older cities are a chaotic mess that can't be fixed without depopulating them. Compared to major foreign cities, they are hell holes. Wish to see Dholera achieve what we always dreamed.
2040-50... Aur sirf dholera hi kyu. Noida, gurgaon, navi mumbai, gift city bhi hai
@@shubhamtubu8027 Delhi NCR and MMR, cities are simply extensions of the overcrowded mosh pit. They are still dependent on old infra. Since Gandhinagar-A-bad were never as developed as Delhi or Mumbai, GIFT has more open space to grow but it's not perfect. Dholera is the only one that will be built ground up with its own completely new infra. It is not codependent like NOIDA, Gurugram, N. Mumbai or GIFT. Dholera also has India's best location, on the Gulf. I2U2, IMEC and INSC will need Dholera.
@@AO-xd2ml If that is the case you've to wait for at least 2040-50 for the total completion of that project. Waise gift bhi ground field project hai, ha dholera ki tarah vast area me nhi baan raha but time ke sath sath phase wise failta rahega
chandigarh mohali panchkula new chandigarh are also well planned cities@@AO-xd2ml
Was going to say this. Thanks for putting across.
Downtown Los Angeles, Downtown Detroit, Downtown San Francisco and many other Downtowns in the US are hell anyway, they have more tents than skyscrapers now. Homeless and drug addicts everywhere. That’s a failure for the US.
Yavatmal has downtown. It has current population of 3 to 4 lakh and most of its economical activity is dedicated in small centralize zone.
I have heard that Vardha city has a proper planning. I am from Pune.
lol population of Yavatmal isn't even 1.8 lakhs in 2023😆😆
@@dowjong City has expanded and now all nearby residential villages which were not in muncipal council are now included.
Wait till next census for proper data.
By the way,you can see the size of Ytl on Google earth to confirm by comparing it to any of your reference city of that size.
Tell me the name of your reference city for comparison.
@@Abhsjdj I haven't seen wardha properly though but it seems growing well in recent few years because of proximity to Nagpur.
Yes I agree, in OUR INDIA, many Builders/Developers building Big Residencial complex with School, Shopping malls, entertainment hubs and many other amenities, I think that's very cool and nice,
That's good.
Indian subcontinent is most unorganised messy dirty dusty in whole world .but we also enjoy openess of our city, freedom of city .
Its basically organized chaos
The best planning is of European cities. Because both indian and American city models have demerits. Take the Case of NOIDA which i think follows zoning laws more than any indian city but the main problem is that I've to travel atleast 2-3km from my flat to buy even a chocolate.
Whereas European cities follow a circular zoning pattern which is best of both Worlds
No. All European cities are nothing compared to Chinese cities.
I will give example of my city Pune, here the downtown or "city centre" with the exception of Erawande, tends to be promiently residental and many well to do people tend to commute to "suburbs" of the city like Wakad, Baner, Hadapsar, Hinjewadi, etc for work. My cousins, who live in USA its different. the residential areas are in suburbs and people from these suburbs commute to the city center for work. For example, in NYC, the residential areas are in places in NJ like parsipanny and edison (suburbs) but people from these places go to Manhattan for work
Bt new york has better public transport. For Pune uta different thing. Pune people waste most money on travelling than any person of india. Cuz Pune has shit public transport than any metro city of india. Except rent and houses everything is actually costly in Pune. Pimpri Chinchwad is better than Pune. In fact many Pune kar come to Pimpri Chinchwad for jobs.
Well said.
@@sankkham yes but i hope that will start to improve, current gov projects like pune metro and outer ring road should help in this aspect
Key point missed, the business is part of the culture/mentality, especially women. Even if we have implement strict zonal laws like US, there are lot of people who run business from home. 90 to 95% of Indian rural and sub-urban populated areas, house and business is the same. Usually, US downtown refers to the seat of the govt (police station, local court, local/municipal office). With high density of population, business centers in India shift away from the govt areas.
In India even in many high rise building, upper floors are residential and ground floors are commercial.
Need to make Indian cities walking & cycling friendly- this is most critical. Downtown concept will be a disaster in India.
In walkable distance within 2-5 mins I have grocery store Milk store vegetables store fruits store Bank ATMs salon parks hotels cafe's and other stores.
Do Americans have this luxury they have to travel kilometres to get above services waste of time and petrol and more pollution
Sometimes i also thinking this
I don't want to go 4-5 km for groceries and kirana Stores
That's why Japanese city planning is better. They have a mixed residential and commercial areas with varying percentages. In total, they have 12 different zones.
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They have footpath to walk, without stalls planted and vehicles parked on the middle of the footpath. They have peaceful streets, without people horning for no reason. Stop being foolish.
Ridiculous. Most suburban areas in USA have very convenient neighborhood shops, strip malls, grocery stores and big box stores like walmart where you can get all the goods and services you have mentioned, and you can get there in just two or three minutes.
@@coolstufftobenefittheworld9371but are they accessible by any transit mode other than cars
We don't need the American model of infra. We need the Chinese model of infra
That's even more dangerous... actually both are similar. Chinese model of infra. - kindly visit Shenzen, Hong Kong, Beijing etc. all the main cities and experience the natural disasters they have created by removing greencover and constructing crowded skyscraper metropolises. None of the many new real estate properties have been sold.... (that's a topic for later) however this model and high consumerism has led to total disaster in urban city planning that has caused negative impact on nature. These type of cities actually shouldn't exist on Earth. There is a tipping limit for everything. One's everything crosses the line, then you will experience nature's fury. The no. of sinkholes, earthquakes among other tragedies that occur (incl. reduction in insect pop. and erosion of biosphere) are all the work of megalopolis cities.
China is also same like India... Building CBD out of nowhere .
@@bidyutmanna3900china bohot bada hai bhai or humse lakh guna better infrastructure hai unka jalo mat un se seekh ke india ko improve karoo
@@harshitrai5306 Haaan bhaiiiii pataaa haiiiii...
Maine bas bolna chaha ki China ki bhi developments India jaisa hai...
Pure asia main koi downtown concept nhi hai.
@@bidyutmanna3900bhai china ke bohot youtubers hai jo walk karke drive karke pura 1-2 ghante ka video daalte hai city ka kabhi dekhna time mile to or compare karna mujhe unka concept west se bhi achha lagata hai bo logo ne huge population ko achhe se manage kiya hai wahi humko seekh ke india mai implement karna chahiye india mai rules and regulations nhi hai Urban planning govt body sooo rhe hai Indians ka minded hai jesa chal rha hai chalne doo tabhi hum piche hai 😢😢
Replicating a North American-style downtown in India, while attractive for its potential efficiency and economic boost, faces a tightrope walk of cultural adaptation, social inclusivity, and sustainability. Imposing a rigid grid may disrupt existing urban fabric and displace communities, while the density could exacerbate traffic and pollution. To succeed, such a project must integrate with existing landscapes, involve locals in planning, prioritize mixed-use development and environmentally friendly infrastructure, and avoid succumbing to gentrification ultimately, a successful Indian downtown is not a copy, but an innovative adaptation that bridges modernity with its unique context.
Don't overcomplicate it. It's hard enough to get something decent, as it is! India must put a world class city on the ground, that people from across the world gravitate towards.
@@AO-xd2ml Bitchh! Spare me the psychoanalysis, Freud Lite. My breakdown was simple: my brain overloaded due to excessive exposure to your insufferable smugness. Now take your 'virtue signaling' act and do everyone a favor - shut tf up.
"....cultural adaptation, social inclusivity and sustainability..." - These are the key words. Correctly pointed out and beautifully put 🙏👏
Han Hamen kisi ki copy Nahin balki Khud Ke bal per innovation, creativity and naye tarike se Apne City ko Reform karna hoga
@@AO-xd2mldon’t complicate it? do you think it’s something easy to do? all points brought up are extremely important if we want to build great cities for the long term. otherwise we’ll just continue building in a mess
I can say one thing that most indian cities dont have that skyscrappers but yeah cities like hyderabad , banglore , gurgaon , mumbai , noida etc have beautiful buildings which can challange international level
Oh nowhere close.
best planning hai jisme 2-3 large down towns hon, 1-2 transportation hubs, 1-2 logistics hubs, industrial area alag hona chahiye, or sab jageh residential complexes bhi hone chahiye to keep population & traffic distribution proper....plus residential areas k andar 500m - 1000m ki distance pe ya per 200-250 houses ko cater karne k liye commercial complex hona chahiye...jisme following facilities hon:
* department stores
* gym, atm
* cafes, lounges, daaru sutte ki dukaan
* restaurants (not big chain types, normal type k)
* clinics
* tailor, cobbler, mechanic, shops
* vendor area for thele walas
* offices, rooms & halls for renting to coaching
* parking area
* green area, open space for timepass
this is also available in india but with bad planning, awas vikas & city development authorities provide such planning...but only limited to few cities (capitals) that too in some posh areas....
Don’t know why India 🇮🇳 states shouldn’t build western type of Financial, Business District Downtowns..
Many countries 🌆 in the west have 1000’s of Downtowns …
"Western type" architecture is the best recipe for an environmental disaster. We should be extremely sustainable in our approach. Even Western articles and publications including research papers suggest a sustainable approach for all developing countries as developed ones have a terrible issue now to change their already present strict congested infrastructure.
Read an article on "thebetterindia" written by "Himanshu Nitnaware" on sustainable villages being pioneered by western scholars actually. They are utilizing traditional Bharatiya architecture to build sustainable dwelling and working ecosystems in Bharat. Then wherever required (like locomotion - trains, buses etc.) we can have high tech.
Private cars are not common in India.
@@TheB657 Sir GIFT City 🏙️ Gujarat Financial District abhi banna start hua hai but America 🇺🇸 mein 100 saal pehle ban rahe hai , China 🇨🇳 mein bhi ..
Baat mein wazan nahi hai.
@@TheB657 have you considered that the west has material progress and social mobility because they trade ecology for economy?
cannot imagine travelling in car to just drink a cup of tea😂😂
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Mixed cities are better than downtown here we gets shops kirana even shopping malls at walking distance instead of far away where you have travel by car for even small thing...its better for ease of living and less commuter traffic centralized way
I think Zones me divide karna ek bahot accha idea hai, lekin implementation kuch is tarah se karo
⭕Har Residential society ko residential zone banado, lekin us society ke just bagal wali society ki jageh pe local business and markets bana do, aur in local businesses ko under Local Markets Zone rakh do, ab hoga aese kuch, ki residential zone me sirf local log rahenge koi chhoti si shop bhi nahi hogi and Local Markets Zone me sirf aur sirf local shops and small market hogi,, koi bhi local yahan pe nahi rahega
Aur dhyan ye rakho ki dono zones bahot zyada pass paas honi chahiye, jisse local market ka access easily mil jaye local people ko,
⭕Residential zones ke liye basic government bodies like Police Station and Sub Post Offices, Medical and healthcare , and Banks ki sub branches, and ATM's etc. inko ek Common Zone me rakh do, for local markets and local people.
And the biggest thing is, Is Common Zone ko local market zone and residential zone ke beech me rakho, kuch is tarah ki, local peole basic needs ke liye zyada travel na kare.
⭕Ab badi badi companies like Infosys, HCL, Airtel, Jio etc. ke liye ek seperate zone banao, aur in zones tak pahuchne ke liye roads ki connectivity ko bahot shandaar kar do Local markets zone se and Residential zone se,
Jisse hoga ye ki traffic ki problem bhi solve rahegi, aur in badi badi companies ko local market ka bhi easy access mil jayega.
⭕Jitne Government ke offices and buildings hain, unko in companies wale zones ke kareeb rakho, aur usko bhi exclusive banao, in the sense, India post, RTO, court, Electricity department etc. sab ke offices ek hi area me banao,
Ab badi badi companies and local people ke liye government bodies ka use karna aasan ho jayega
⭕And finally, jahan pe factories hongi, usko ek seperate zone banao, aur aesa kuch karo ki, ye zones residential areas se bilkul bhi connected na ho, for safety and pollution purpose,,
There is a dedicated area for these companies and buildings in hyderabad called Hitech city
downtown ka concept bohot amerikan he mostly europe me bhi aur japan me city centres hote he india ki tarah jaise india gate aur kuch monuments ke around jaise branderburg gate in germany eiffel tower in paris
north amercian city planning is all about grid structure. Grids are reserved to serve some specific purposes
It was used to separated whites blacks and asians.
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Indian cities mein downtown area ko develop karna zaruri hai like a foreign countries.
Industries especially pollution causing industries ko dur rakhna chahiye residential areas aur businesses se.
Gov wants to redevelop dharavi, but political parties with locals are protesting against it. So before developing infra people's minds should be developed. Aur har chij me goo khane wala opposition to hai hi apna.
Most of the people in dharavi are from up, bihar so gov needs to shift businesses outside of mumbai problem solved
American downtown concept is horrible. Mixed zoning is the best.
As long as polluting industry is not built next to residencies.
It’s better to stick to mixed use land otherwise everyone is forced to drive/go to the same point leading to traffic.
At least factories and other pollution creating industries should be tried to keep separated from corporate offices, residential buildings and farms...that will help to maintain the quality of mass people and plants lives.
Actually Bombay was the only city which had a 'downtown' that was commonly referred as Town area. From Bombay Central southwards to Colaba was generally considered town. And From Bombay Central north till Mahim was mid town while the suburbs started form Bandra "Queen of the suburbs"
2:28 🤩bro this is my city Jhunjhunu
Can't believe you just used a clip of my city
We have to develop our cities with 15 minutes walkable distance concept.
Implementation of traffic rules , improvement in quality , cleanliness , proper roads, drainage , green zone
Our biggest problem is the population is we didn’t have so much population it would be much easier to make huge reforms. Sadly we cannot do that not unless we reduce our population somehow. Which should be indias main focus now. I’d say about 90% of Indias problems can be solved with less population.
Why was population or corruption not a problem for China? 🤔
@@rutvikrs because china has one party system so no one goes against them at all so development is much faster for them than for us.
Also the population isn’t a problem because their cities were properly planned as their population was growing. Their country is also much bigger than us. Nearly 3x we are at 3.3M sqkm but china is at 9.6M sqkm.
Plus our mentality needs to be changed too in different countries they have rules and people follow them. We also believe in it’s not my problem when it comes to fixing things. In other countries if you see potholes or something wrong the person usually calls the authorities to make sure the problem is resolved but over here we just leave thinking it’s a lot of work and not our problem.
We are also very lazy people, other countries like to develop or redesign new things even people living in villages tend invent or innovate things but our people like to just chill and relax. We cannot build a proper country like this, we need to learn from china and build infrastructure without delays, implement extremely strict rules for people who disobey the rules and regulations. If we wish to see our country looking like other countries then we better be prepared to make huge sacrifices.
@@rutvikrs कभी वास्तविक चीन देखा भी है ?
@@rishisaini5269 Guangzhou, Chaozhou, Zhangzou and of course Shenzhen. 15-20 trips ho chuka hai.
best cities in my opinion are those 10min 5 min european cities where all necessary buildings can be found at walking distances
What's the need for down town india ?? Will it generate more gdp or economy ? I dont want waste of tax payers money , building a statue or any kind of tower or skycappers or largest railway station or largest airport or metro or pyramid are more better investment as they will generate tourism money for indian people in long and be a best investment for economy
No matter how much the authorities change or fix cities, the people are undisciplined, do not follow rules and regulations, and hardly pay taxes (that are required for redevelopment). PEOPLE need to change first. You want "Europe" or "Singapore" in India, then start keeping your cities clean and start following BASIC rules.
Government should make it compulsory that in schools they should start teaching about cleanliness and discipline from primary level . It will help in future . Like in Japan they do . They learn and work on it from early age . Leaving upto Indian people will not solve the problem . Majority adult people themselves are lazy and ignorants what they will teach to their children ? These children and kids are the future adults who will shape India's future . Hence government must include it in school curriculum .
First time I understood real meaning of downtown, why people in India used downtown as word for shady and underdeveloped areas 😂
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Indian megacities like Mumbai, Delhi and Bangalore and many smaller cities feels like conglomerates of many smaller cities and suburban areas. This system is efficient, but not always visually aesthetic.
We don't have to copy downtown because of this downtown concept dependency on individual vehicle increase.
To buy even one vegetable in US you end up driving 10 km which isn't the case in India
Its quite common in India and Bangladesh for cities to have different business areas. There's not really a specific CBD in cities of the Subcontinent(
It's basically the same in Pakistan. Pakistan is a part of the Indian subcontinent btw and many of its biggest cities are similar to modern Indian cities as they used to be in the same nation before 1947
@@ahmedfaraaz1are you from pakistan...
@@sarthakkhatri8378 I am Indian myself but I have family from modern day Pakistan (separated by the partition)
if we manage to reduce waste and trash and maintain a well systematic plan and laws for the reducing trash it will result a more beautiful cities than the concept of Downton
Mumbai has downtown, we call it south Mumbai
Mumbai has many downtowns
Yes Bangalore also has a downtown, Central Bangalore/Cubbon Park/Vidhan Soudha area.
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Just need to clean our roads then it will look like heaven...
YOU CAN FIND DOWNTOWN IN HYDERABAD, ITS KNOWN AS HITEC CITY
Mixed zoning is better but our problem is narrow lanes, unregulated construction and over population.
Tokyo is also ancient city, still they have downtown concept
Bcz they are Americanized heavily after they surrendered to USA (after hiroshima nagashaki incident), not only in economic model, city planning but also in military
@@shubhamtubu8027 agreed, these Japanese are now maansik ghulaam of Americans
India me dogtown cowtown aur slumtown hai jo kisi bhi foreign city me nahi hai
@@Harsh_Singh89 Slums are everywhere, US mein bhi hai, in fact homeless people abb waha pe badhi samasya hai.
Singapore is the region who has dealt with this problem very well. India ko target kiya jaata hai Western media ke jariye lekin khud ka chupa ke rakhte hai
Hamaare Marathi mein eke kahavat hai
" Dusryaancha bagaachya vaakun, swatacha thevaaycha jhaakun"
Matlab " Dusro ka jhook jhook kar dekhna, aur khud ka chupa kar rakhna" Ye pura fit bhaithta hai Americans ko.
@@Harsh_Singh89 slums USA me bhi bhare pare hai. Los angles, new york subway etc.
I like chandigarh design. City is divided intro sectors where each sector is divided into 4 parts .
So, you get sector-1A,1B,1C,1D. Two parts of sector are for shops and business. Other 2 are for housing. All industrial and factory thing is outside of the of the city. Great design.
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Europe has mix city design like india but they have everything in proper manner...
PT: next video topic, the poor roadmarkings on indian streets!!!
Honestly from the thumbnail : "Not impressed by downtowns and skyscrapers built by the west beginning from Dubai. These are totally unsustainable and put more pressure on the land leading to disasters (which America's already facing by the way). Even cities like Mumbai or the Dharawi like areas are hellholes. What one needs is the old traditional mandala like concept spread across vast areas with more forests and nature around. Highrise culture was not followed in Europe due to space and the environmental hazards that they posed."
Coming from someone who has lived in Dubai and Amsterdam while also visited the entire east coast of U.S incl. NY on business visits. Bharat needs traditional approach to architecture that is minimalistic and classic but sustainable (mingles nature with the built environment). Not unsustainable, polluted hellholes where you only go to get sick and get admitted in the hospital for the rest of your lives.
Mumbai mein sirf Dharawi hi shithole hey .
@@ayushmankar4100 Mein Mumbai se hun Bhai aur Navi Mumbai mein reh chuka hun. Navi Mumbai ko Mumbai se accha bolte hain kyunki planned hai. Lekin is mein bhi problem bohot hai. Jitna industrialization ho rha hai aur population bad rhi hai, Navi Mumbai "greencover" ko purna tarah hata rha hai. This is my 30 years of exp. in Mumbai speaking, I was also born here and got myself educated here.
Even architectural and sustainable forums agree with the "development" major cities around the world (incl. Tokyo - largest city in the world by pop. density by the way) is disastrous for the environment. There will be many arguments w.r.t logistical impracticality however "modern cities are unsustainable and threaten the environment and lives of people who live there" which is the truth. We have to revolutionize the techniques applied for real estate. City planning should be taken due care. See Amsterdam or berlin. Even here they have problems with less green cover. However Switzerland has somehow incorporated both. Dubai being a desert have brought "green cover" to their cities but the natural greencover we have, we loose it ? What logic is this ?
All due respect, travelling or living in an area doesn't mean you understand the design decisions.
India already wasted 4-5 decades on the spread philosophy. We have learnt from that mistake, the mixing of commercial and residential increases the movement of labour(no local in Mumbai wants to work for a 15k salary, the migrant has to take residence 30km away to afford life), prevents consolidation and development of supply chains(running a supermarket for a small village or hypermarket for a town is infeasable.) And the inevitable concentrations get hyper saturated with commercial interests criminalising to monetize(real estate mafia, land sharks, litigious activism, illegal Advertising on poles/public transport).
Seems you watch lot of documentaries &have no idea of realities..&as you says “coming from “ a guy living in US for the past 16 years
@@rutvikrs With all due respect , one cannot sacrifice common sense for "development". India hardly has few planned cities like Durgapur and Navi Mumbai. The word "development" doesn't mean constructing packed skyscrapers close to each other like a dense jungle to cater to the increasing needs of commercialization and consumption. Due importance has to be given to the environment. As per environmental forums, this type of congested city building has already set the lifespan of cities like NY, Mumbai and Tokyo to name a few. "Undue Stress" is created on the soil and without extremely expensive projects, the cities won't hold together in the event on natural calamity. All that was built, all money spent would mean nothing if the city itself doesn't exist due to the inevitable.
City planning must be taken seriously. It cannot be overlooked for commercialization at the cost of environmental stability with the support of which you live.
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You said mixed zoning is good and we Indians doesn’t have to go far to buy, but what is included in mixed zoning is the issue, heavy machinery, and other work that should be outside of residential areas is mixed so need to change that, due to mixed zoning we see lots of traffic in residential areas
I visited Chandigarh once
I couldn't find a guy on a bike without a helmet.
Everything is so well managed!
Problem with other cities is they were never planned before
but new areas at least should have been made according to planning so newer population would love to reside in newer areas and as older parts would get obsolete they could have been restored with newer and better infrastructure, planning and management .
But no one fcking cares
When cities stop spreading outwards they go upwards, but in india cities are rapidly spreading outwards and the slums are slowly converting into better houses... In america things are very inefficient due to being made almost 100+ years ago, india is reaching a industrial revolution today which america faced a 100 years ago. Also there is a limit to how tall a building could be made, so even in prime areas buildings are limited by restrictions, if fsi restrictions are removed, in 20-30 years mumbai will have taller buildings than new york due to very high population density. If you dont know western cities dont have the best downtowns, if you really wanna see downtowns, asia has more crazier than america, like Shenzhen, hong kong, Singapore, shanghai, etc....
Shenzhen is a well planned megacity . They have better public transportation system .
Chandigarh is probably the only city in India which can meet western standards in terms of infrastructure. It's really a lot lot better when compared to even major Indian cities like Delhi and Mumbai.
Firstly, you'll easily find residences in downtown areas in USA, they're just very expensive.
Secondly, creating a single central business district for the whole city like in USA is not the best urban design, nor is creating a cbd on the outskirts of the historical city like in Europe. Tokyo is a good example of there being multiple business hubs spread out across the city which also become transit hubs, that is something that can be emulated in Indian cities.
Tech parks, next to apartment,then shopping mall,then metro,then lake,then ground
But also want big cars this is india 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Indian cities are nicer cuz everything you need is close not far away like America. Hence, Americans use cars everyday.
Amritsar,Chandigarh are good example of Modern India
We should improve existing infra .
We had no option so we are using mixed growth development. At such a large population density, applying downtown methodology will be a fool paradox.
us & canada zoning is very bad... their lifestyle is car-centric because of those single use zoning...if you want to take inspiration look at TOKYO mixed zoning
not just Americano white countries even in developed asian countries like china japan
there are also downtown
india is unorganized and chaotic country so no downtown here
Sir you talked about India being ancient country and was poor after independence hence we developed this kind of mixed areas. That is not true see China, they are ancient civilization and were as poor as us, sure their government is communist and can do anything without carrying about public. So at the it is about government making policies and enforcing those policies for development and beautification. What is stopping us now from getting rid of street vendors who capture half of the street, what is stopping us now from making parkings and reducing car parkings on the road, what is stopping us from removing stray animals like dogs and cows from roads, what is stopping us from prohibiting animals like horse and donkey using to ship goods and create this sore to the eyes, what is stopping us from making walkways or basic laws like people have to pickup their pets poop in public places???
No foreign power is here to stop us but due to political reasons, afraid of not getting votes for removing street vendors, cows, etc etc is the reason India looks unorganized and ugly.
These are harsh words I know but when I want to compare my country to other nation this is the reality. Now some can say don’t compare India with other countries, we are Indian and this is India we don’t need anyone. Also these are the same people who will happily compare Indian military with nations like Pakistan or African nations. Point is I want my country to be no.1 and beautiful. And western countries I use for example or reference because those countries looks good, organized traffic, no street vendor occupying half of the road, clean roads, free of stray animals, proper parkings
Mujhe kuch hope nhi hai bhai ab old City se bss hope hai new city dholera type ki jo starting se achhe se planning se ban rhe hai
@@harshitrai5306 बाकी बात तो सही है पर "ढोलेरा" थोड़ा असामान्य नाम नही है ?
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So after watching it, we don't want downtowns in India
There can be no downtown in India due to illegal slums cropping up everywhere..in Mumbai for a area Like BKC you will see slums in few pockets thus hindering development
India dont need downtown... I want milk bread tea next to my house and medical store also
Zones are good for country's ecomony.
How?
India future mein saudi or Arab countries jesa lage ga. Bus Mumbai or baki kuch cities thode western lage ga.
First reason you have given is actually not correct. Though indian cities are old, but they were not actually cities that time, they were just some small livable areas. Mostly cities are developed in last 25-30 years only. When now the cities which are expanding are not expanding in plannee manner. Come to europe every major city is easily 500-600 years old. Infact the one i am living is 1000 years old but still planned.
Aapne India ki compares America se ker diya. Aapko European countries se compare se kerna chahiye. Jo kafi systematically bana hai abhi bhi whan ke log purane hazar salon ke gharo me rahte hai
It doesn't suit Indian culture.
We want most of things in 5 -10 mins of walkable distance
Our downtowns should have ancient indian architecture
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i think we should compare not with west bz they have much less population density
instead with chinese cities...
This is exactly the point. Unfortunately Indian mainstream culture and academia is so westernized to comprehend the truth of sustainability via traditional approach.
America in terms of development india sey 100 years aage hai. When they were making big sky scrapers we were under British rule.
At least rail network ke mamle mein America humse aage nahi hai . Ya toh humse piche hai ya humare jessa hai 😂
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East to west India is the best!!
Mixed use development better than downtown
nope. downtown is much better.