Who Really Killed CJ's Mom And Why? GTA San Andreas Lore Fully Explained
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2021
- Me explaining who really killed CJ's mom and why. It seems that after so many years many people are still confused on what exactly happened. Hopefully this video can clear up for some people on what happened and also explain some GTA lore.
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i always found it ironic that two of cjs best friends turned out to be traitors yet his sisters hispanic boyfriend and a blind triad leader end up becoming more trusted and helpful allys then his grove street homies.
Woozy was so suspicious when you start working with him, and Big Smok and Ryder were very likable at the start.
I'm not surprised at all. The backstory makes it sound like the whole gang was on his back about Brian's death, and they don't even talk about his role in the incident, so he was probably just a scapegoat. The dialogue during that first mission makes it clear they all resent him for coming back, not for leaving. There's also a lot of dialogue that makes it clear he was the sole member actually against drugs.
Also, the fact that so many members were at each other's throats and not doing anything about it is not normal. It's like they're trying to make the gang seem like a lost cause.
The whole gang was probably in on the plan, they just didn't all have the stomach for it, and took the side less likely to kill them when push came to shove.
The Hispanic boyfriend and triad leader both had their reasons for helping CJ-family and respect, respectively-Grove Street was motivated only by money.
Bro I loved Woozie! I liked how how his blindness isn't said much unless it's a way to have CJ do a mission for him (because if he can see, Woozie will just kick ass left and right) or to make some small joke "I know you're blind, but you gotta see this!" Or "Are you doing the hand thing again?" "Oh right, sorry force of habit". I also love how his goons let him win with card games and the mini-golf but screw cj over which doesn't even lead up to much, it's just a fun detail.
Kinda like Toph from atla. The blindness does affect how she acts in the story, but it's not brought up so much as a disability and is even used for light jokes. "I think it looks great!" "Why thqnk you! I've been worki- . . . Why do you feel the need to do that?"
Also, saying Woozie's name with CJ's accent is just fun
the point of SA is thinking you have allies and family cuz you join a gang is the wrong thought process, which is funny cuz they always said GTA is promoting crime in young kids
even if you completely take over every territory for GSF, guess what, smoke, ryder, and the cops still come to stab CJ in the back
I read somewhere that Ryder wasn’t meant to betray CJ and they did that because MC Eiht quit
Let’s take a moment to appreciate Cesar. He really was an amazing friend to CJ. And funny thing is, he is from a different gang. Just goes to prove that your friends will fuck you over faster than your enemies.
Cesar is also the best possible guy for Kendal(sp).
He's painfully sweet to her and loyal to a fault.
@@asurasyn Yup. I was thinking the entire day whether to reinstall the game lol
sorry but what does "Just goes to prove that your friends will fuck you over faster than your enemies" mean? I'm not that good at english
@@argg1681 your "friends" will betray you faster than your enemies.
@@argg1681 what's your main language?
One thing to mention: Sweet isn't against Grove Street dealing drugs period. Softer drugs like marijuana are acceptable, but crack creates a lot more problems morally and within a community, and that was the line Sweet wasn't willing to cross.
Nah the main issue Sweet had with crack was that GSF soldiers were buying and smoking it. That's the main motivation for killing independent dealers.
Did you really just call weed a 'drug' ? LoL weed isnt a damn drug man
@@BenDovahkin Yes, cannabis IS a drug.
@@BenDovahkin Bruh marijuana is weed
@@BenDovahkin it is literally a drug lol
Cesar is by far the kindest and most trustworthy person in the whole storyline.
wu zi mu is solid too.
Solid homie fr his loyalty to cj and kendle was admirable as well as his helping with cleaning up things for CJ
@@KawaiianKingdon’t forget his gang was rivals with grove family
@@KawaiianKingcorrect me if I’m wrong tho
Jimmy Hernandez is a very underrated character seeing as how he tried to bring down Tenpenny and used the last of his energy to distract Pulaski and save CJ
Rockstar must be proud that even decades later the internet is still having a big debate about"who kills who and why"
Game is so deep that 17 years later people are still finding out new things. Amazing
Nah they're preoccupied selling shark cards. They don't give a shit
While that is nice to think, in reality the CEO of take two interactive
Company that owns gta IP said that their customers are currently undermonitized
Meaning what they're actually thinking is they're not buying enough things or being sold enough
How could he be so sure that the 2 dudes who did the drive by is dead? I mean he pointed it out & not alot of people noticed that but to write off the 2 guys, I'm not sure cause we never did see thoes "unique" Ballas again 🟣💭
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Rockstar didn't write the story for GTA: SA right?
While getting a haircut at Reece's Hair & Facial Studio, Old Reece sometimes will say CJ's mother used to choose his styles.
A very dedicated/observant fan, it's very nice to see people have memories of a game this old,
The mighty one
You know somethin? I take it back, Old Reece still got it crackin.
Damn
@@Aureus_ Fallout 3
In the Doberman mission there is a Balla named Little Weasel who claims Tenpenny set him up prior to you/CJ offing him. This strongly suggests he was one of the killers.
It does! Set him up for what? Got to be the hit!
How about kane? Do you remember him?
@@volkannazlikane was a balla og
That theory has some legs. After "Doberman," why would Tenpenny tell Sweet about the funeral and Kane? Loose ends perhaps?
I think a big reason why Carl respects Ceaser is because he told and shown Cj undeniable proof and showing Cj both Ryder and Smoke with C.R.A.S.H and Ballas. He knows Ceaser wasn't obligated in any way to tell him yet he still did , this gives Carl a big big big respect put on Ceases name. Proving not only is he a good , honest , real, and genuine friend to Carl, but also to his sister, he's not abusive or demeaning at all, helps out anytime he possibly can! He most definitely has a place at GSF by the end of the game . Even Sweet coming around to him .
Nobody talking about Big Smoke hanging in the Johnson house.
He was planning to kill sweet once he got back from the funeral.
That house belongs to 5 people Kendl, CJ, CJ’s mom, Sweet, and Brian
@@Slimkeen54 Wow if that's true then these guys just can't get it right lol. Sweet wasn't at the house for the drive by, no after the funeral since he doesn't live there. Are Tenpenny and Smoke that absent minded lol?
@@CultReport her name Kendl 😂
@@Slimkeen54 that is not where sweet lives, he lives in the house where sweet's missions are.
*"yeah, and get yourself some colors fool. and a haircut, its embarrassing to be seen with you"* has the same energy with Lamar's *"yee yee ass haircut"* lines
Exactly 😂😂
In Argentina we say this in a good way
Bad
Man theres a lot of similarities between gtav and san Andreas. Not just jokes missions too
Both are pretty much the game telling you that you can get a hair cut, by having your homies roast you.
Nah, Lamar's yee yee ass haircut is way more brutal.
One of the three unique character models that apparently killed CJ’s mum, one of them appears in the cutscene when you confront Jizzy, and stands up in the gunfight but then the model changes when you take control
What always bothered me was how anticlimatic Ryder's death was compared to the rest of the major characters. Big Smoke was treated as a much bigger deal than Ryder and even Pulaski's death served a bigger role. I get that there were problem with production so his character was written off but they still should have done him some justice since he was CJ's friend since elementary school.
So Ryder dies . I here Ryder was supposed get thrown off tall buildings
notice how cj doesn't acknowledge ryder in "green sabre" it shows how ryder wasn't supposed to be a traitor too
i heard a rumor about Ryder's voice actor has some issues on recording, so they put Ryder to be with Big Smoke. I feel like Ryder's role been trashed out since Los Santos missions since his absent until his demise is less important while I think his role could be used more in the story. Notice his missions was more about wiping out drug dealers and ballas than Smoke's missions was about his own "bussiness".
@@rizahaykel That’s the actual reason...Mc Eiht (Ryder’s VA) had quit so they killed him off
kinda sad it would've been really interesting seeing ryder react to big smoke's betrayal
They could've easily used B Dup / OG Loc for that cutscene instead of Ryder and it'd still make sense
@@StatiCRjm lol you can’t used OG Loc the man was on a music career path plus he was locked up while CJ mother was killed. It doesn’t make sense to the story he would be out of place.
*Next Video:* _"Who were the cooks on shift when Big Smoke made his order?"_
walter white and jesse pinkman
@@theonlyplain loool
@@theonlyplain bruh what 😂😂😂😭
No need for a video it was me
They didn't even need a repeat of the order..
I firmly believe Smoke got Brian killed trying to take out CJ.
He clearly knows how competent CJ is and wanted him gone. Without Carl, Sweet was an easy target.
Big Smoke also explained the benefits of entering the drug game to Sweet in the introduction to get him on board and avoid having to kill him. Tenpenny knew Sweet couldn’t be reasoned with which is why Tenpenny approached Smoke with the proposition instead of Sweet in the first place. However, Smoke still tried to get him on board because he didn’t want to have to kill his life long friend. So when Sweet stood firm, Smoke saw him as a blockade getting in his way and had no choice.
that moment when carl is in the car with sweet before they go for smoke and tenpenny is one of the best moments in gaming. They both went through so much to get to that point, such a heartwarming cut scene that is not really mentioned a lot. the people who wrote this game are legends, complete masterpiece
👌yeah
Still driving that bucket ass car
I was reading this as it played
Dj Pooh
OG!!!!!
Aside from Ryder's seemingly unfinished character development, this game is a masterpiece and the story is so well-written. Hands down the best GTA.
Agreed
Ryder should’ve died at the Mulholland intersection
Yet people say gta 4 is best I’ll say nah
@@theworldisimmense I think people take gta 4 as best cause you know it is HD and it has a very dark story about the american dream, it feels very real. But imo gta 4 seemed incomplete a little bit there was not much to do in it and hey maybe it was intentional to show how much miserable the american dream is. For me though gta san and gta 4 are neck to neck for story. Not gameplay wise but story. Gameplay wise san andreas is always and will be on top
@@theworldisimmense every gta has a better story than the crap gta 5 story written for 12 year olds
I love how this guy backs up everything he says but he still gets dislikes just because people don’t think he’s theories are right.
Big Smoke’s and Ryder’s betrayal hurt as much as a WWE betrayal
Who remembers "Cj's mom walking around the house at night" mods?
Bro! When i was younger i was scared of those vids and the background music.
I thought they were real and avoided to go in the house
also those crappy scary videos saying that the house didnt made sense showing that the inside and the outside didnt match, implying some kinda of mistery
I was so scared of that I couldnt go in the johnsons house
Man mods or not being in cjs moms house was eerie cuz it was really quiet every time you spawn in
Because Sweet stayed with his principal, Grove Street is weak. We can see how weak Grove Street is in-game because they still use TEC-9 & 9mm, two of weakest weapons in the game, while Ballas and Vagos use AK-47 and SMG in gang territory, arguably, two of the most powerful weapons. Sweet even realized this in the mission "Nines and Aks", saying that rival gangs weapons have advanced, while Grove hasn't.
I think this is an interesting detail by Rockstar.
CJ can do Cheat Codes and be immortal and spawn the best weaponry from out of no where. 😂
If you complete the 100 sprays then the GSF gang members carry desert eagles and MP5s
@@gflippa7017 and knives
Principles, not principals.
@@gflippa7017 nice , I never knew that ! I wonder what other upgrades and little details the game had for grove st etc , maybe different outfits or voice lines
Here's one thing I've always wondered: Why was Big Smoke in CJ's house at the moment when CJ first arrives? It only makes sense that he was there to do what those Ballas failed to do himself.
"Same things make us laugh, make us cry." Said by the man who had some hilarious commentary and then screws you over.
Big smoke: everyone gone remember my name
Everyone : I'll have a number 9 large....
😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
"All you had to do is to follow the damn train CJ" - Big Smoke 1992
He actually didn't lie
Big smoke got remembered by years for his order
number 6 with extra dip
We do remember him . . . . .
. . . . . as a joke
This is one of the best video explaining GTA San Andreas that I've ever seen. Thank you TheProfessional.
Can’t go wrong with Theprofessional explaining videos
Eyo wassup homie
GSF for life, ya hear?
Gsf4life
I agree with most of this except for Tenpenny's final goal. It wasn't just trying to get rich by triggering a gang war. His last words were "You never understood what I was doing. 50 of me and this town would be okay." He clearly had some bigger goal which he thought would benefit LS in the long run.
This is just my theory based on pure speculation- I think he was maybe in cahoots with some larger organization to clean up Los Santos by making the gang members kill each other. I think this is the same organization which Toreno was targeting and using CJ to take down by destroying their plane, stealing their jet and destroying their yachts etc. My theory is that Toreno was trying to take down Tenpenny by pretending to be an insider at the Loco syndicate and when that failed he used CJ instead. This is why he asks CJ to bail out Sweet in the end because he wants the Johnson Brothers to take back the hood and kill Tenpenny.
I've played San Andreas for so many years (it's one of my favorite games) and the takes you have on it between who killed CJs mom and the motivations of Sweet and how it affects the story has given the game new life for me. I look at it differently now. Thanks dude ☺️
This is one of the games where when i saw the betrayal with the green Sabre mission or when I finished the storyline I felt like a part of me was lost.
This game will never die ❤️
None of the GTA games will
@NBA YoungBoy It is true.
@@Thatguy55595 GTA 1 would be classed as dead
@@Thatguy55595 GTA 1 would be classed as dead
Im about to steal a jet from area 51
This and the Michael in witness protection gotta be one of the biggest misconception with GTA games
I thought Micheal story was pretty obvious
@@ArsalanKhan-go1xq
yeah even darkviperau said and maid it clear
@@ArsalanKhan-go1xq I always figured the witness protection was a way to explain michael on government paperwork but I guess it was just a lie
@@TheFloodFourm yeah DarkViperAU made a story explanation video about the whole witness protection situation
But the basic explanation is this:
Michael never went into witness protection cause he had no one to rat out because he was the mastermind of the entire operation in North Yankton, it wouldn’t make sense for him to offer the police information about Trevor when Trevor is below him on the crew hierarchy in the North Yankton heist.
So Michael just faked his death and changed his name and used the money from the job to move to Los Santos, the reason he’s on government paperwork is because Dave Norton has his file still even after he assisted his fake death in North Yankton, and then the other corrupt FIB/IAA agents get in on it because they supervise Dave Norton (or something like that) so they also find out about Michael in the process
And the reason Michael tells everyone that he’s been in witness protection is just because that’s the easiest way for him to explain his disappearance instead of trying to explain the truth to everyone
@@NeonTheWolf that’s not entirely it. Michael wanted to get out. He was tired of running and was getting tired of doing such a dangerous job when he had a family. The plan was for him to actually be put in witness protection, gets out of the life of crime and keeps his money and Dave gets the glory which in turn gets him promotions and moving up the FIB ranks for “killing” the most notorious bank robber at the time. While they (the public) didn’t know Michael’s identity as the bank robber they know of the robberies and the crew. The issue was davey’s superiors didn’t really know about the deal. Dave put Michael in WitSec on his own without prior supervisor approval that’s why Michael says they’d both be fucked if they found out. Same reason why Steve Haines can control Davey and Michael. While Steve is ranked over Dave the biggest problem is that Steve knows about Dave and Michael’s agreement and holds it over their heads having them do dirty work. They mention all of this in game over time. If you replay it and listen for these convos it makes sense. Michael even summarized this in a convo to davey I think, could’ve been Trevor. They were talking about how brad was never the one who was supposed to get shot.
I absolutely believe Ryder was never supposed to betray them at all he really is a true friend making fun of eachother trying to get them to better themselves. Not only that but in the drive thru mission big smoke chose not to shoot and are not wanting to kill his partners while Ryder was getting mad for not killing them
Yeah because Ryder wasn't supposed to be the bad guy. The VA quit so R* had to kill him off
The Introduction was made after the game was finished. It explains Smoke and Ryder motives but if you take what we see in the game, Ryder is a ghost. Appart from Photo Op, Pier 69 and Yay-ka Boom Boom, he was never mentioned again, not even at the end of the game.
Ryder was not meant to be a traitor, but that's how he ended up in the canon. It would've been much easier to kill him off during The Green Sable.
Big smoke and Ryder really broke my heart when I played the first time
Finally regaining control of CJ in the middle of the nowhere felt so lonely and vulnerable.
These R* devs are super smart. Thet are dropping tips in games about real life...
People will betray you.. and be careful who you trust. Real life stuff. They know they've lived through it.
Games teach subliminal lessons. R* are masters of this.
@@unknownuser-fv2lq well fuck rockstars shit now
@@Omega-mr1jg cap
@@ayylmao578 he’s not wrong rockstar being greedy rn I mean gta 5 is 8 years old and they remade gta 5 3 times also adding in shark cards just for the money and they don’t even care about rdr2 all they do on rdr2 now is just update it and patch glitches and add the outlaw pass
you could tell Ryder was meant to be a likeable character from the start, he was personally my favorite. I remember him betraying CJ hurt but it looks like he was meant to be liked then killed off as a means to shape the character’s development/player’s attachment. Just learning now that he wasn’t meant to betray CJ makes too much sense to me
Actually I think that Rider was meant to be a positive character and not a traitor but later due to a quarrel between the voice actor of Rider and Rockstar, Rockstar changed the story and made him an evil character. But that's what I think, 'cause there's no other legit explanation for why was Rider a good character in the beginning and then went against Grove. Another theory can be that Rider was kinda bored of Grove, and why not the families had broken and stuff and also due to an old school leader - Sweet, Smoke made him his pawn or probably Tenpenny did and then CJ killed him but this theory is based on pure assumptions so I don't support this one much. I just wish Rockstar had made a San Andreas Stories.
@@paarthpradhan198 rockstar should have killed off Ryder in green Sabre mission instead
Bro Ryder look like wiz khalifa 😂
@@hamsburhan2388 it's eazy e you fool
Eazy e supposed play Ryder that why
To reinforce your point, using The Godfather, in real life the New York five families were also against getting involved in the drug trade to the point that they had a zero tolerance on which mere suspicion of member being involved could warrant death. Former Colombo member Michael Francize talks about it sometimes in his channel.
Yeah except new mafia members don’t follow omertà in today’s age
You're maybe the most logic searching (surely finding), if I can say it this way, gaming video maker I have watched. If there are others anyway, they're not many. I don't talk only for this kind of video but your whole content is always very smart, very well viewed in detail and always the best questions!
Lol Rockstar made Vice City Stories and Liberty City Stories but never made San Andreas Stories. Kind of a kick in the balls to all of us fans.
Edit: I've never had so many likes lmao. Thanks guys.
SA stories would be fun! Imagine playing as Sweet when CJ was out to Liberty City, it would be a massive reveal to CJ's mom killer.
@@c4mfromtHO Don't get your hopes up.I love Solo but actors say all kinds of crap to get out of tricky questions. I heard Young Maylay (CJ's voice actor) say that he would never work with Rockstar again. San Andreas stories would make sense, but since we already are in another universe (HD) we're not getting that game. We can hope for GTA 6 or Remakes, now
@@c4mfromtHO young maylay (cj's voice actor) was in drama with rockstar a year or 2 ago and he now hates rockstar so all rumours are false
Oh man... that’s sad to hear :( well, I guess we’re not getting anything...
Missed opportunity playing as the Various Los Azteccas.
This game needs a next gen remake, like a completely from the ground up remake
Edit: I know the definitive editions are a thing, trust me I’ve been keeping up to date and I have been told 10000000 times in the replies.
Edit 2: bro the fucking definitive editions suck, honestly so disappointed in rockstar
Won’t happen sadly
would like to see something new, that could probably outperform SA on it's flaws, though a remake sounds nice
Yyup, SA needs the Black Mesa treatment
Easier said than done.
Rockstar won't be able to bring all the voice actors on board for a "from the ground up remake" (especially Young Maylay reportedly had a feud with Rockstar). People WILL complain if they replace the voice actors to fill the void, and considering the theme of the game.
Nah, it’s still perfect as is.
While you've explained everything in fine detail, I still think it's sad (sad as the day I first started playing GTAV) that despite everything CJ had accomplished against weakening and nearly wiping out he Ballas. That about 13 years from then, Ballas would be back on top. And Grove Street OGs are now endangered and confined to practically one apartment complex.
Grove street families is just a set they are apart of the family’s like Franklin and lemar are they own gang but apart of the families
GTA SA and V are separate universes, so let's assume that in the HD universe CJ didn't succeed
Yo @TheProfessional! I gotta say I love what your doing. Nothing like seeing someone so passionate about the GTA universe!
Tenpenny probably had those ballas that killed CJ’s mom killed to cut off loose ends.
It’s actually big smoke cuz tempenny wanted smoke to kill sweet but they accidentally shot the mom
Tie up loose ends*
@@ER-rl9fe idk about that since Smoke would’ve known that Sweet had his own crib
@@Gazpacho834 true
Tenpenny probably killed those ballas because they hit the wrong house.
2:10 Get rid of that ol' yee yee ass haircut classic
OG edition
@@shnubdawg7730 yes
Niggaaaa
@@user-hm1xf7yh2u what
@@lionelpessi6590 .|.
"Same things make us laugh, make us cry."
So true
11:15 OG LOC dancing in the Back
Heard a rockstar rumor that the reason why Smoke was in the Johnson's house in the first mission was because he was waiting for Sweet to get back from the funeral so he can kill him with the bat but once CJ returned he played the mole until the green sabre mission.
Nah, if you pay attention, the reason why Big Smoke was at the house is because he didn't want to go to the funeral because he knew that Ballas were planning a drive by to kill Sweet, but when CJ returns Big Smoke is caught off guard and is forced to go the funeral
@@jcasma so wtf is he in the Johnson's house for then?
@@Slimkeen54 chillin 😭
@@Slimkeen54 maybe he said something like that he wanted to pay his respects at the house or something. He needed some reason not to go to the funeral and visiting the house might’ve been his excuse.
I think Tenpenny ordered Smoke to kill Sweet himself after the Balla bustas failed, but Smoke is friends with Sweet for so long so he tried to persuade Sweet to sell hard drugs as well so he could save Sweet during the The Introduction.
Already learned alot... This game is more than the title itself.
It really is.
You can see in mission 23 doberman after cj captured the territory of glen park, there was a balla that said "Tenpenny set me up" I think that's the one who was inside the green saber.
11:05 og loc just vibin in the back
Cj and Brian got into a police chase that in which Carl crashed leaving Brian to die that's the reason that they mock his driving and sweet blames him for the death
How you know ?
@@teedr Speculation.
The Wiki says Brian was killed by the Ballas I think why Sweet was so mad about leaving him is it sounded like CJ ran away when the Ballas killed Brian that's why Sweet is hard on CJ
@emerus actually Brian was killed by the Ballers when he caught Smoke hanging with them and he died in the car when CJ was driving him to the hospital.
@@Slimkeen54 damn so smoke been playing yall before the game even started god damn
Ryder wasn't a traitor his voice actor mc ehit got fired and instead of rockstar making smoke kill him rockstar made him a traitor if they would have had smoke kill him then we would actually hate smoke and thats why ryder wasnt mentioned anywhere his death was pushed after the game was made and in the mission where we kill him he uses an old voice scene can't touch me
@@chunkyryan5233 although there was a video how ryder was not the bad guy that's way older than that.
There was an video of how ryder was late to get reinforcemets which include Big Smoke.
U can stop me.
@@chunkyryan5233 yes i did and i wanted to shine more light on it since he didnt explain too well
The voice actor actually died
@@siviwesiyamthanda5751 no he is still alive, he is a great rapper you should check him out his name is mc ehit
He left cuz he wasn't paid enough
I wanted to add a small things. Everyone calls CJ as buster which is a cowered. I think what the player was suppose to gather from that is in the past when things got tough CJ was not able to stand up for the hood which lead to his brothers death. They also see CJ moving to liberty city as running from the past conflict that put grove street in the disrepair that he returns to.
"The streets is cold dawg, like it says in the book we are blessed and cursed"
R.I.P Big Smoke and Ryder
Don't say RIP for them, say BIH
To clarify the whole Ryder situation. MC Eiht quit doing Ryder because he felt he wasn't getting paid enough. Keep this in mind. Originally, in the beta. Ryder was supposed to die in the same mission but instead of being chased by the boat, he was supposed to get killed by CJ on the dock. Then they decided to have Ryder make it all the way to the end, he was supposed to be forced to work with Smoke by CRASH but had no idea the power Smoke had, and then he was supposed to go into hiding from Smoke and return when Sweet got released and he was supposed to play a role during End of the Line. Now because Eiht quit, Rockstar decided instead of recasting him that they had enough lines to get Ryder to his ORIGINAL BETA DEATH, so they had no choice but to kill him in the same way except they decided to flip his death and stead of dying on the docks, they had you do the boat chase.
I appreciate the details.
Yeah T Bone was supposed to be the one in the boat chase because he has lines of "I'll be back for you Johnson." but Rockstar probably made him die in the gunfight because T Bone was portrayed as a badass guy who wont flee and someone who will stay and fight Cesar and CJ.
When I was playing with randomizer, there was a line where Ryder said "CJ, you ain't busta to me no more" while he's having a bad time breathing
@GoTi4No It's only a shame cause his model is inspired by Eazy E
I'm sure ryder wasn't supposed to betray grove street.
18:25 the ending always makes me feel good, the whole gang's here. Only missing Woozie.
He’s probably still driving there I wonder how that’s going
@@Buxtonarmyy 😭
@@Buxtonarmyy Remember Wuzie has unbelievable good luck. Nothing ever goes wrong for him.
Missing tommy vercetti too
@@Buxtonarmyy "He insisted on driving here by himself. He could be anywhere..." 😆
You can tell that Ryder wasn't planned as a traitor by CJ only speaking of Big Smoke in The green Sabre when sitting in the car with Ces. Rockstar just added Ryder to that cutscene but never redid the voiceline.
Thank you for this videos, they really explain some things.
If CJ"s Mom didn't die, we would have GTA : Liberty City 2
😆😂
No we will get gta liberty city 3 the gta 3 in liberty city and gta liberty city stories
Literally GTA IV lmao
GTA: Quiet life in Liberty City
@@godmergiethemobilegamer I think gta lcs came out after sa
Guys we should all write a petition to rockstar for gta: San andreas's stories
GTAV: Sanadreas DLC since its in the same place
They probably working on GTA 5 remake for the PS6 and the xbox series Y
Bruh san andreas stories was cancelled long ago
I think it would be a little too late for it but that is a good idea
Its already been made. Its called GTA V lol
Man this video was so cool, very good work mate
"I just see the opportunity"
Those five words are a complete summary of Big Smoke.
“The Los Aztecas”
FYI, Los means ‘The’. So it’s basically saying The The Aztecas. Saints Row 1 has this same thing too with Los Carnales.
Nice, didnt know about this, so umm los santos can also be called 'the santos' haha
"It's not THE Los Carnales, it's just the Carnales. Los means... fuck it."
@@MidnightClubStillCancelledSoz lol I remember that
@@colxrless2273 santos means Saint
i thought you were gonna quote dex lol
I think Ryder was either written as someone that wasn't going to turn on Grove Street and the writers changed their minds last minute or Ryder joined Big Smoke as time went on as you did missions. If you watch some of the cutscenes they barely mention Ryder... they always mention Smoke as the person that betrayed them. They might've mentioned Ryder once and that was after CJ killed him.
They changed last minute because the person who's plays Ryder was fired so rockstar made it to where Ryder turns on cj and rockstar also put old voice lines during the mission you kill him and he wasn't mention when cj so that big smoke betrayed him
@@antoineallen4451 ryder’s voice actor (MC Eiht) was working on music too at that time and had to leave rockstar
Come to think of it, Ryder doesn't really have a lot of motive, and while there's a lot of foreshadowing that Big Smoke is betraying Grove St, there's none of that for Ryder.
@@sluttyboy69 how do you know he went prison?
Ryder only traded sides cause he was into it for the money and getting high he followed smoke down the rabbit hole and Cj seen him as a rat injecting drugs into their hood took him down but he wasn't a complete trader either just a few wrong steps he made
Dude I love your channel! Keep up the good work youre amazing man
this was a really good vid, props man
My guess on when each of the three Ballas died. One died leading the ambush against Sweet either killed by CJ or betrayed by Tenpenny. Second died in San Fierro just before CJ hunted Ryder down. Third one, who would be the leader, was killed in the crack palace When CJ went after Big Smoke. Those would be fitting times for each of them to die.
Man, These videos are good, It's worth the sub.
I appreciate this video so much. I played the definitive edition of this game on the switch recently, and I feel like just a couple of the cutscenes or plot lines shown in video format are different than the original game, so I was very lost on this part of the story even though it isn't clear anyways.
Its 2021, and people still making theory of GTA SA.
That's how much GTA SA changed the game at the time
Legendary game
Fo shure
That’s because it’s the best in the series
@@equanimity92 ok
17:15 He was right... 17 years later and everyone remembers his name...
😂😂fr
Did you remember his order?
@@blueraccoon1088 I'll have to numbers 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, 2 number 45s, one with cheese and a large soda
And I didn't even google it
Seriously good video man
Great video man
MC Eiht is a well known rapper in the westcoast hip-hop scene, a westcoast legend from the early ‘90s, he played Ryder.
Yep but we still don't know why he left rockstar in the middle of the game because if he didn't leave he wouldn't be the villain in the game
@@darkogamerhd9711 do you have a link or video stating that’s what happen? I’ve heard about it for a while but never heard anything official
That nigga couldn't hang for a lil bit
I’m kinda curious as to why he came back after 10 years to make a song for Rockstar as well...
@@The_StrangeMan I'm wondering why Rockstar let him come back after that.
In 1992, two Ballas members, under the orders of corrupt LSPD officers Frank Tenpenny and Eddie Pulaski, attempted a drive-by shooting at Beverly's house, in order to attempt to kill Sweet. However, Sweet was not in the house, and instead Beverly was killed. Sweet ran into the house, to discover his mother dead.
(Beverly is Cj mom)
dmn 👌 💀Thats deep man
They didn't attempt they ordered.
Mehn you the best game analyst I’ve ever seen! 🙌💯
Awesome Analysis.
To this day I wonder why big smoke was at cj’s house and not at the funeral with sweet and them
Maybe he is taking something suspicious...
@@remimartin8493 probably.. hmm
He had a bat so my guess is that he was planning to catch Sweet off guard because Ryder would presumably be in his house and Kendal would be hanging out with Cesar. Grove street has a lot of people outside so the bat would be a much more quiet way of killing Sweet
@@Vomitbukkake maybe he yelled that out in order to fool anyone who might be outside?
@@gustavoalmanza2673 they we're already at the funeral... It's just him.... Here... Alone... With no reason
If you remember GTA Vice City, Sonny Forelli mentioning about expanding down south, although one of the guys says that it's all drugs and none of the families will touch them. Sonny tells him that times are changing. Fast forward to 1998, the Leones and Sindaccos have no problem with selling drugs. And in GTA V, the Chamberland Gang Families have no problem with drug deals
GTA V isnt in the same universe as VC and SA
@@demivideos8887 what
It is not?
Hater všeho druhu oh yeah no one is HD universe the other 3D universe
*Oh thats suck :D*
GTA 4/5 and GTA VC/SAN/3 arent in the same Timeline.
Godfather comparison was cold 👍🏾
Good video
Very nice video, thorough👌🏾
For people asking why sweet had his own place was because he was the head of the gang and didn't want to involve his mom in any part of it
He never mentioned his mom
i’m SO glad you drew parallelism to the Godfather because if you break it down to the fundamentals, the Godfather’s general themes are “loyalty” and “family.” I don’t think it’s far fetched to say lot was derived from that plot with a small twist. The Dev’s replaced sophistication while still managing to tell a story of less organized, gang activity. You can almost respect someone like Sweet more for sharing values that Don Corleone had while living in the hood. A place where knowledge and wisdom may be harder to find
Living in the hood is where most knowledge and wisdom exists so idk what you talking about. Most of the wisest people you’ll ever meet came from the hood.
@@corimoon3360 Yeah i doubt that man, especialy considering that everyone wants to leave it
What's weird is in the Green saber cut scene,it felt CJ acknowledged only Big Smoke even though Ryder was also there
Fun fact: there was a deleted mission called "doberman" were cj was able to sell crack after the mission was completed
I wouldn't be mad if they make a San Andreas live action movie
It would bang. And a GTA 3/LCS
It wouldn't work. There are so many things they couldn't include due to time.
@@erickrc1 I feel like they could definitely shorten the story to fit a decent time. The biggest problem would be getting actors that could fit these roles correctly lol .
Thats what always ring in my head every time
"What fucking book?"
Big Smoke: Good question
@Manuel Sanchez hahahahah 🤣😤
Smoke saying he had no choice was referring to the fact that Groove was losing out on money to The Ballers. And everyone knows with money, you can buy weapons, muscle, influence, and protection.
Hearing that "Mission Passed" chime at 2:40 was so satisfying
I honestly think that if Ryder wasn’t meant to betray CJ and wouldn’t have died, he probably would have redeemed himself
Or died for the family.
I heard that he wasn't meant to betray cj and by some lines I do agree. But by the end of the story either ryders va died or was to busy to record more lines so they wrote him out. On his last mission he uses reuses voice lines too
I think this was a great explanation of the lore behind GTA San Andreas, Pro! It really is a shame we never got a San Andreas Stories to help explain Brian's death, and witness the events that pushed CJ to walk away from Grove Street and leave San Andreas for 5 years, and maybe witness the events in between that and when CJ returns to San Andreas. Keep up the good work, man!
I really like how you treat these affairs with attention to the details (though you sorta miss a little ones, or maybe you'll get to them in another video, I dunno).
Very very in depth, 👌🏿👌🏿 covered it all my friend
Who else wants a remastered version of san Andreas with better graphics and stuff.
I'd rather gta 4
Apparently that’s a leaked rumor
Won’t happen sadly
i would really love SA Stories, just to know what Grove before CJ escape to Liberty
Remake*
"Remastering" a game from 2004 in 2021 just wouldn't work that well really
Ballas wanted to kill sweet but they hit CJs mom
Exactly that’s what happened
Yeah
nah cause the killers literally said that were about to kill sweets og’s (parents)
@@steve-db5ry no they just said an OG aka Sweet
Whole time Smoke set that up to have the ballers kill sweet.. but they botched it and killed the mom and smoke was probably like fuck it I'll do it myself.. hence him hiding out in the house with a bat.. probably never expected to see CJ.
9:40 ICE CUBE, DR DRE & EAZY E
Great vid bro
See when I saw big smoke say “the things that make us laugh? Make us cry” he’s got his hands up like saying as if it’s himself and points to CJ when he says cry. I figured he was in on it and he was bragging about it there. That’s why he says he’s gonna catch who killed his mom as if saying he knows who did it but says it ironically.
Yo u hear wise sheep big smokes line it's the same thing he says to ryder when ryder says it would take more than a bullet in head to kill me
Who else can't wait till Rockstar does a proper Remake? That would be the greatest!
While the idea sounds amazing, after some time of watching multiple different games get a remake I believe a remake of SA would hardly recreate the atmosphere and character of the original game. Also most of the games that do end up getting a remake are one of a kind games that will remain classics forever (and obviously impossible to recreate).
Plus it would not fit anywhere in the series since Los Santos already has a HD rendition in V and the 3D era (location characters story) have all been retired since 2008.
That honestly won't happen unless some third party remakes it peice by peice. Even then, it would take 5-15 years to finish.
There is a remaster and its garbage
theres a video that shows all the differences ua-cam.com/video/jhVdb4K1M-M/v-deo.html
Wish granted
I love this channel, keep going ⭐
Nice Video!
Big Smoke’s idea of getting Grove Street stronger was inherently good though, every step along the way was the wrong one.
How
yes sir
@@genghiskahn1989 That’s how gang life is. You always try to put your own on top. That was Smoke’s idea but as he said himself, he got caught up in the power and money. He became greedy and forgot about his main purpose: getting his gang on top.
@@scorpin121 your right
@@scorpin121 Big Smoke Had The Right Idea But The Execution Was Poor