Why GTA 5's Grove Street is different from the one in GTA San Andreas
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- How did the Ballas take over Grove Street?
Today we dive into the infamous Grove Street. and how it could've been taken over by Ballas!
Grove Street is one of only a couple of named streets retained from the 3D Universe rendition of Los Santos along with the iconic Vinewood Boulevard.
Contrary to the separation of the universe renditions, reference is made in Grand Theft Auto V to the street's prior appearance in the 3D Universe in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. According to Lamar Davis, most of the Grove Street Families OGs eventually moved on with their lives, and possibly became rich. Grove Street retains a legendary and almost mythical reputation among some residents of Los Santos, such as Jimmy De Santa, due to "events in the nineties" as Franklin Clinton puts it when hanging out with Jimmy. Ballas members may also be heard shouting "The Families were kicked out ages ago". - Ігри
i wish gta5 also had gang wars so as Franklin you can retake grove street
Yes and also recruiting members and being able to drive around with families
@@philcollinsvevo7106 that what made San Andreas one of the best games ever , and to this day you still can’t do that in a GTA game
Well, Franklin hated being a gang banger, so...
That wouldn't work like that since he from a whole different set of the families and they not grove street ogs there's only a few
The whole point was Franklin left that life behind.
The worst change is the fact the whole south LA area is shrunk down to basically just grove st and the streets around it. In san andreas half the los santos map was based on south & east LA. In gta 5 its damn near not existant. Which is wack to me.
Yeah that was silly asf the city smaller than the country towns 💀 like what!
I mean you cant really expect much it was ps3 game.Also I kinda agree they could make the city side a bit more bigger.They made the countryside too big.
@@contra7631 nawwl fam if a ps2 game could give me the whole hood plus the rest of LA plus the country...plus san fransisco and Vegas with an entire desert and a 2nd countryside that includes a whole mountain.....than a ps3 game should have been able to handle it ijs 🤣😔
@@NoMercyFederation1 Thats because you dont know how tech works.Games like Gta has higher resolution.Higher resolution+texture=bigger game size.Ps2 games were very lower textures+resolution so the game size wasnt much higher so they could easily cram alot things into their game and make the world bigger.
@@contra7631 but according to the internet the gta 5 los santos map is bigger than the entire san andreas map with all 3 cities and country sides. I still think they could have handled south & east LA being the size they were in San andreas and even if it was at the cost of some of that useless oversized country area.
(P.s. i'm a videographer & editor i understand this stuff perfectly fine. I just don't agree that it was due to limitations but more to bad decision making. Like we both said, the country side was bigger than it needed to be)
I think CJ left the gang life because he got older and realized gang isn’t worth it and left with his sister and I think Caesar left the gang life too and moved to San fierro. And CJ as you notice CJ owns his own toothpaste he probably left and began making new things and making new companies.
So much potential wastes from roc star
@@Hebrew-Nation1 what wastes?
You cannot leave the gang life
@@victornewman-jc6lp well he did he had lot of money to move his entire family out the hood.
@@victornewman-jc6lpactually you can leave the gang life,there's plenty of people that made it out alive
My thoughts. CJ had all the other ventures. He left them behind. Sweet got shot by a balla and the rival gang took over the grove. With the members who didn’t want to drop their flags having an open position as a head you started seeming more sets show up (around 1999 after sweet was shot and CJ keeping up with the casino partnership and maddogg’s career.) thus you have families dealin and striving for dominance
Excellent theory
I don't think cj would have ever abandoned the gang
Especially not if sweet was killed that would make him more committed to the gang than ever
@@X-Gaming2003 Man cj only helped sweet take back the grove gang at that time because HIS brother wanted him to, Cj was a REAL buster, he was raised different than sweet, he had more ideas and more life to complete, plus he already got his dream at the end, he had alot of money and even owned 50/50 of the most popular casino in las ventura
@@X-Gaming2003CJ wouldn't care about pointless street beef at this point,its pointless
Many characters of GTA canon exist in both the 3D and HD universes so it's logical that there is a version of CJ somewhere and they heavily imply the events of San Andreas occurred with references to the 90s. CJ made it big at the end of SA and so he likely convinced Sweet to leave that life behind and go legit. They left GSF to those who didn't have the same vision and so the gang declined over time. Kendl likely moved to San Fierro with Cesar and he left the Aztecas behind.
"THEY might be CEOs or somethin" Franklin.
@@OlliWitta3_well by the end of SA, CJ owns multiple businesses including the San Fierro chop shop and having 1/3 of share in the Dragons casino, also he's Madd Dogg's manager.
@@RandomGuy-qc8ml yup I'ma firm believer that the universes are all cohesive. Rockstar may have just been trolling when they said they weren't connected. Literally every game connects. Even how Michael talks about Niko in one mission. And Johnny literally is in the game lol.
Or... Grove Street basically grew out of gang life. With CJ, and his multiple businesses, they probably left their turf. And a power vacuum was created in which the Ballast quickly filled.
Thoughts?
A whole street and city wouldn’t just grow out of gang Culture
@@LScentralif you grow up in da hood, you dont wanna stay there if you can. sometimes moving down the street better, even if it's just a block over. they still a part of gang culture but they leveled up alil.
@@LScentralgentrification.
@@Twitch-st0n3d_jesus It doesn't seem very gentrified. If anything it's in a worse state in V than it was in SA
@@screamingcactus1753 tbh I was just bored and said gentrification for reaction
I remember when gta 5 came out and when I played it for the first time the first thing I did was I went to grove street expecting the families to be posted up there, but then when I seen the ballas posted up on grove street I was like wtf 😂
Ona guys i think they like the ballas more nbs they get to the money be fresh and on gta online u can get ballas t shirts and polos and a knuckle buster but nothing for the families idk whats to em
@@dannyd9077 #KnuckleDuster
Same here. I was ready to get right back into gang wars and all that.
Honestly it would be cool to see Cj as boss and join the gang for some missions.I guess Rockstar wanted the story to be different.
@@contra7631 It's that SA and 5 are structured differently, it wouldn't really make much sense to add CJ into the game
One time I got dialogue in the hood as Franklin a guy in a green helmet with a green shirt said yo you heard og Johnson bought the casino up near vinewood and the other guys said” yea yea yea”
I’ll have to hunt for that I’ve heard some talk about Woozie Mu talking about him in sf
The real reason why Grove Street Families lost their turf to the Ballas was because they tore down the Ganton Courts housing projects. Just like in LA, many gangs that control housing projects majority members live or hang out in the projects then in the actual surrounding hood. With GSF you mostly had 2 clicks the PJs and the Grove Street click. I can tell most members lived in the projects. Fast forward 2013 from Ganton to Davis those projects are gone. The only active GSF were the ones on Grove Street. It make sense the Ballas kept dropping the last remaining members til they finally took over Grove Street. Just to let you know ain't no way in hell CJ took over the whole city, this ain't no corny Saints Row. If it was like that there wouldn't be any Ballas and Vagos in 2013. In GTA SA the only way to play the last mission of the game you only need to take a certain percent back. I still don't understand how Rockstar only added 1 housing project in GTA V. In GTA SA they had 7 housing projects.
That’s some interesting history. There was a forum that tracked Chicago gang member’s social medias for funny drama, and it’s crazy how quickly they died and were replaced. If you’re actively pushing, and not treating it like the Boy Scouts. I don’t think anyone survives with their freedom.
@@blase9624 bro do you really think some broke gang members can afford living in San Fierro or Las Venturas. Only one that has that is CJ. The GSF most likely got ran out of Davis.
@@AYVYN yeah exactly well we already know why Chicago is wild. They tore down the Cabrini Green and the other highrise projects out there now you have gang members from those projects spreading there gangs in other neighborhoods.
The housing projects in gta V is the same ones that was in idlewood the one we beat da ballas up in with ryder? Grove once owned the pjs before the hood got weak so they just moved back in once grove st was over wit and they rebuilt em
@@southsidecompton9668nah cus then davis gang wouldnt be a thing it still was small houses across from the pjs and down the rest of grove the remaining memebers started they own faction which eventually turned into davis gang
Don't forget the fact that 3D and HD universe are completely different in some aspects. Usually events that happen prior and after the game do go across the universes
(example of that being the pollution leak of 1988 and an oil tanker accident that happened somewhere around 2001, which causes water around LC to look oily and in the beginning, dangerous to swim in, which can later be observed in HD universe, where the water still looks really polluted and oily).
However, events that happen directly through gameplay usually do not go across the universes. If Grove Street indeed did take over the entire LS, there would never be competition anymore. In HD universe, CJ most likely doesn't even exist, and even if he does, he would probably have a very minor influence, existing only as a, say, a face for advertisement or name on a book, or something like that.
So we can also assume that in upcoming GTA 6, Tommy Vercetti and his big operation would have never happened, but that doesn't mean Vice City doesn't have problems with sharks and hurricanes, so bridges being closed at some point, and you needing to find alternative ways might very well be a thing.
CJ does exist in the HD universe, there is at least one NPC that mentions the Johnson family in gta5
Franklin and Lamar talk about the Old Families too at one point @@KrolKaz
Dude you are so wrong.Hd are 3D are connected.They mention about grove street gang.And also you have ballas and etc. other gangs from gta sa.So why they would add those gangs if they never existed in the first place and also mention the old gang.Its just we dont know what happened to them.But I am sure Cj is there somewhere else with his families.He just moved on at some point and it makes sense.
One notable difference is that the FBI, CIA, and DEA exist in San Andreas, whereas in GTA 4 onward, they were replaced with fictional branches.
@@contra7631do a google search before making things up 3D and HD are not connected grove street may exist in both gta but there’s no cj sweet ryder nor big smoke in HD universe even tommy in upcoming gta 6 your clearly clueless.
Disappointing the house isn't even there and enterable. Is the street even Grove Street? It's like Rockstar hate the old games and characters that made them.
Its a different universe
I reckon CJ's still going as a businessman working with Woozy, Madd Dogg, Cesar & Kendl.
You can tell his mind was made up about leaving the hood behind when he picked Sweet up from prison. He tried to get Sweet to come along with it, but Sweet was having none of it so he tried to rebuild the hood to try and win Sweet over.
After the end of the story, with all his enemies out of the picture, CJ decided he wanted a fresh start and to take full advantage of the business connections he'd made. You can tell at the end when he says he's going to take a walk around the block. He likely decided during that walk, he wanted to put him and his business interests above the hood and being a gangbanger.
He'd have likely moved away and out of Grove Street if not LS entirely.
Over time, Sweet would have likely gotten more annoyed that CJ was putting his business interests above that of the hood as well as constantly being away from it. He'd also likely still be mad at Kendl for going out with someone who wasn't from Grove St gang. CJ & Kendl would have likely made numerous attempts to get Sweet on board but Sweet would have refused as he's incapable of seeing that there's more to the world than Grove Street and the gang. This would eventually lead to CJ & Kendl cutting ties with Sweet or at the very least distancing themselves from him so they don't get drawn in to the gang violence again.
Judging by the fact that Grove Street is Ballas controlled by 2013, Sweet is either dead or incarcerated due to being unable to see a life beyond being a gangbanger. So the gang would have had no leadership which would have meant the remaining homies would have fled, died or moved over to the Ballas. CJ would have no interest in intervening at this point as he no longer wants to risk his life when he has better options with his business connections & no real ties to Grove St anymore. All the others will have all just moved on with their lives, capitalising on the business connections made in the SA story.
@Theaggressivesalad This makes a lot of sense and is canon for me from now on. In GTA V it is also noticeable that, even if the Ballas and Vagos are more "predominant" in the LS scenario, their actual presence in the town is pretty scarce. This element could very well fit in with the theory that, around the 2000's, most of the gang members and leaders were arrested by the police (probably Sweet was one of them), that's why you find gang members in fewer locations than you did in SA.
Makes perfect sense. That's why I hate Sweet. He gives CJ alot of flak even when he did alot to get him out of prison and kept Kendl safe the whole time while also managing a lot of businesses. Sweet is too narrow minded and annoying
@@srinathparimi33 that's why I hate Sweet the most out of all the main characters. Carl's done so much for him to set him up and get him out of prison and he just throws it straight back in his face when he gets picked up from jail!
I like to think all the events in the 3D universe took place in the HD as well, the only difference really being the names of certain things. Onto my actual theory for the fall of the Grove Street Families. Some time after the events of GTA SA, CJ and Sweet both started to have more responsibility. The Ballas perform a drive by on Sweets house injuring him, infront of his kids. CJ would visit Sweet at the hospital only to see Sweet's Girlfriend and Children both looked distraught with tears in their eyes. CJ would ask them step out of the room so he could be with his brother he would say "Sweet, I understand you said you would die in the hood, but you got kids now do you really want this kind of life for them?" Sweet would reply "I don't know anymore, I want to see my kids grow but if I continue on like this, it ain't gonna happen. But it goes against my principle." CJ would interject "What happened to your principle against Drugs man, the whole neighborhood is full of baseheads, if we keep this up where are our kids gonna be if this is the environment they grow up in?" Sweet replied "I know, but this is our home man, it always will be so I don't want to give it up" CJ then said "Man, look your kids deserve better they could have better. Live a quiet life its time we hang this gangbangin shit up" Sweet would reply "CJ you're right, where will we go though?" CJ said "Somewhere we ain't gonna be walking around with a target on our backs, maybe move east get out of San Andreas or move out into the country outside of San Fiero so we'll be close to our sister."
I think at some point CJ was able to convince Sweet to give up the gang life, without much leadership the Families would split up into new sets, forming the sets we know in GTA 5, the other gangs who were weaker would have reformed and like vultures start pecking at the remains of the Grove Street Claims in Los Santos. Sweet and CJ would have moved, Maybe into a gated community as they could afford it with CJ having several Legit businesses in the State of San Andreas and a stake in a Casino.
Nice sob story lmao.
@@cxssetteman182bro 😂
bro pls.. I aint reading all this dawg 😭
@@TheMrRivash it's pretty good
You deserve more likes for this 1 comment lol
GSF ogs died out. CJ couldn’t care less about gang bangin, and that’s is crystal clear in SA ending. He had better things going on.
Sweet probably ended up like Emmet did, at least in terms of mentality. He was a solo survivor and stood for something that wasn’t there anymore.
If you look carefully, Emmet is the perfect parallel to Sweet.
He was an old school Families member in a hood that wasn’t anymore Orange Families for a very long time. But Sweet had CJ and probably was taken along by his brother lifestyle in the end.
GSF new generation of gangsters had no links to the families at all. These younger guys probably tried to emulate CJ rags to riches by dealing dope and somehow that ended with a Ballas set in Grove Street.
I think the reason why there isn't any gang wars in gta 5 is because of lore reasons and not lazy programming.
Since it was mentioned before in the early missions involving Franklin and lamar (the mission where they kidnap some baller) it was stated that they didn't have beef with families
Stretch after the giant shootout in the warehouse even said that they could be at risk of an entire gang war because of Franklin's and Lamar's failed kidnapping and the shootout they just got out of
The drugs were probably the biggest reasons the families lost to the ballas a lot of the families probably realized drug dealing was where the money was at
I think that sweet got killed and CJ Kendal and Cesar move out of the hood if you remember, CJ didn’t want anything to do with the gang life anymore, sweet was probably killed
If we think about the fact that this whole gang story about gsf vs ballas is based on the crips vs bloods i think it went something like this, after cj takes over LS, cj becomes a celebrity and a bilionaire once some years passes and the 2000s came, most of the OG's moved out of the sets and most of them went to vinewood or better areas in LS, at this point grove street got abbandoned by the gsf and the remaining ballas took over the turf, to the other hand the remaining grove street families (and all them other sets) once their leader (sweet) was gone re established the families and took a new turf, i believe this because Gerald didn't wanted a war between the ballas and the feds, there's a reason why the feds doesn't want that the families and the ballas goes to war again, they don't want this to be repeated again as it did in 1992 in gta san andreas
Because GTA 5 and SA don't take place in the same universe
And that's a Rockstar lie.
@@extremeboss5282mf what?? 😂
The 3D universe and HD universe are both separate
everything that happened from GTA 3 all the way to LCS did NOT happen in GTA 4 and 5
@@CertifiedWTRPerson Rockstar Games randomly invented the separate universe bs at the time of GTA 4 as a lazy way to say that they are in a conflict with VAs and that they can't feature many past characters, but with GTA 5 they themselves rejected it (silently). They haven't even talked about it in years. Rockstar games are far from being liars, but why didn't you say they are saints while replying to me?
CJ was definitely not a coward he probably just knew there was no future in it💯
CJ and Sweet is a lot like Franklin and Lamar. One guy wants to grow beyond the ganglife, and the other only knows ganglife.
Thank you and thank goodness for 😅your videos 😊
Cj didn't leave Denise behind he was ran out of town by tenpenny
Was just about to post that. Glad I didn't
Checking in with you Los. Hope you and the Family doing good💯💚 🔥🔥 ass content to fam
Is San Andreas coming out with a part 2, I hope they continue this series cause it was so fun
I heard its because of the hidden spindlelint script that everyone has seen yet only few know about. It's truly a genius thing they did over at Rockstar adding that it leads you to the Goblet of Queefing.
All you had to do was pay the damn mortgage, CJ.
Gta v was cool but I liked how you could go inside restaurants and eat, go to he gym and learn martial arts like boxing and kick boxing on level 2, even inside the hospitals and jails, from sa to iv
CJ was a different man by the end of GTA: SA. CJ let the gang life go when he got his stake in the 4 Dragons Casino and became Madd Dogg's manager. CJ only got back involved because that's what Sweet wanted. CJ may've taken over Los Santos but he and Cesar left the gang life behind for good and Ballaz were still able to be seen in Grove turf even after that. Mike Toreno most likely helped the Ballaz and the Vagos get their turf back with help from the Rifas and even force the Groves out.
I made a deathmatch named grove street throw down in the OG days of GTA Online. I spent a lot of time there
I know they use the whole different universe thing to kinda erase the past. But I still like to think alot are still connected. In GTA SA when the LS riots are going you have to take a certain amount of territory so I try to recreate the GTA 5 hoods the best I can. Everything south and west of the train tracks goes to the families which sets up the GTA 5 lines pretty well. And all this happened because CJ was loyal to his brother but after big smokes betrayal CJ wanted nothing to do with the hood life because he made a life outside of the hood which he struggled to do for his whole life. So after tenpenny death CJ continued his life. He would still be there for his brother but because money an power is key to the gang life sweets days as a leader we're always going to be numbered. So he ether got killed or arrested. And with both gangs being decimated from the bloodshed of GTA SA I can't imagine whole lot of territory has changed since then besides Grove Street which lost it leader. I think every hood has there own group of leader the build up all the gangs in the city. The ones that refuse to change got weakened like Grove Street while the rest adapted and survived like the rest of the family in GTA 5 and with the death of tenpenny the corruption that allowed the gangs to run the way they did was eliminated so any gang wars quickly attracted the heat of the LSPD so gang war became bad for business so most of the gangs stop fighting an just managed there own territory focused on money then killing. In my playthrough it don't make much sense for the families to attack the vargos because there immediate relations on mostly Netrual sweet I don't think even recognize the vargos in GTA SA so I leave the Vargos alone an just focus on the ballas when the story make sense for it to take territory. But with out CJ and sweet the days of keeping the good clean was only going last so long. But that how I play San Andreas an shape it to lead up to GTAV.
In the start of GTA Online LSV is the largest gang. They control Rancho, Cypress Flats, El Burro Heights, Vespucci Beach, and an airport in Grapeseed. It make sense what you said not taking over there territory in GTA SA.
Lot of nonsense yapping.
Taking over all territories is necessary because of constant hood attack annoyance.
@@SeriousDragonifyFr, also if you are lifeless psychopathic maniac going for 100% completion you nee that too
They should’ve jus made San Andreas part 2
San Andreas Stories ye they need to make that
That's Literally GTA V 😂
@@SupportGamin2024 GTA V has nothing to do with San Andreas outside of taking place in roughly the same location.
Basically since Franklin is CJ & Denise son
When playing as franklin on gta v if you get on bleeter I believe you'll see a Ballsac member saying "thanks for giving up GS"
The Families, The Aztecas, The Vagos, and The Ballas got too old to fight each other. Many of them died or got jailed. After CJ drive out the Vagos and Ballas, the two remaining gangs just broke up after recruiting dried up and “the kids” grew up and got too old for gang life.
3d universe and HD universe are two separate universes with different decisive events happening for each establishment, organization and/or gang. the Johnson family might as well wouldn't have existed in HD universe. Or maybe they did, but one thing is for sure that the events of GTA San Andreas or generally 3d universe (including events of GTA 3 in LC and GTA VC in VC) are drastically different. I don't know why many people choose to just ignore this fact and make absurd theories about it
Nonsense. There are many evidences that they are canon. Rockstar games tried this separate universe crap for gta 4,but in gta 5 they they connected them again
@@samedison5559source?: Trust me bro.
@@samedison5559 GTA 5 and 4 are both HD universe. None of the events in GTA5/Online has any clue to confirm any of the events from 3/SA/LCS/VC to be canon.
@@spagoot9991 there is a wonderful video wich shows that some events of sa are mentioned in gta online. Video games aren't religion, it's possible that they change their mind about the universe thing
my question is what happened to the overpass and the street right next to grove street
Gtav should have Gang wars DLC
YES
Tenpenny was based on Rafael Perez,so yeah there was someone like that
But grove street will live forever, grove street 4 life, families 4 life 🤘
I was literally just thinking about the question the other day and this video found me on the algorithm…
I’m making a better break down soon brother
I mean hell by the end of SA who was even left to run the Grove? Half of them was dead or sold out and the other half took the money they made from the book of songs and ran out the hood to live the high life.
I've always believed that the events of the old GTA games are canon in the new timeline, but the old games were an exaggeration of what really happened. Probably, CJ left Los Santos, and while he was gone Sweet got popped and all of the surviving Ballas did an attack on Grove Street.
They are not, different canons
@@ellieh.5419exactly. People seem to not be able to grasp that. Only the celebrities from the 3d universe exist in the hd universe.
@@sodaroni_enthusiast even then only some of them do, so far only Madd Dogg and OG Loc seem to still exist even if Loc himself was retconned to have a different fate by that logic
@@ellieh.5419 actually. Almost all 3d universe celebrities appear on the Vinewood walk of fame and I myself would consider that Canon enough.
@@ellieh.5419 all celebrities appear in gta v. The different universe thing was maybe planed for gta 4,but in gta 5 there are too many incidents which proves that they are canon. Rockstar games changed this different universe thing.
Jack from Eastenders is Claude , that’s mad, then the video talks about crooked cops, which jack plays in Eastenders, spooky lol
I think R* just do things like this to generate buzz and get people talking about their games for years to come.
What I never understood was why CJ's family's house was so damn huge on the outside? Why wasn't there even so much as a small backyard? That house was way too big for the street.
0:53 Rockstar are the exact definition of party poopers
The events are GTAV and GTA San Andreas also occurred in different universes, hence why they also look different. Grove Street in San Andreas looked completely wider than GTAV and in GTAV there is no bridge that went over Grove Street like in San Andreas.
Did anyone try searching cemetery for Johnson family? Their mother, Sweet or CJ thombstone?
Great video but I'm pretty sure CJ and Denise didn't meet until AFTER he came back from running away
Love the original design of Grove Street and surrounding areas. Wish they kept it the same as it doesn't make sense how it could have changed so much. Plus, it would have brought back all the great memories, give a sense of familiarity and it should have actually looked like Grove Street tbh. But then again they said the hd universe and 3d universe are seperate so... 🤷♂️
A lot can change over 20 years.
Thats what Im saying..San Andreas is set in the early 90s. GTA 5 was originally 2013 Los Santos.
Basically 21 years passed...
I think Denise from gta 5 is Denise from gta San Andreas tbh 1) think about it she was young in 1992 and now she could’ve possibly got older. 2) both Denise’s live in families territory. 3) Denise from Sa promoted gang violence nd Franklin Denise Also promoted it in the mission hood safari and was telling Franklin he needa support his homies more
That is her
I’m making a video about this and I’ll drop it in a few days
Denise became a crappy sex obsessed aunt lol
I see it clearly now, Cj figured out he was in a video game and ran away, AGAIN.
They should of made CJ related to Franklin
Sweet walked into an obvious trap and GSF was on the verge of collapse before CJ came back. If CJ left then Sweet’s days were numbered.
Yes, GTA 5 is my favorite in the series, no matter how much the boomers love GTA 4.
However, maybe I was too young, but GTA SA hits different. I have heard this from other players as well, when they took away CJ from Los Santos to "some county", we were genuinely missing the characters and city back in Los Santos, I wish I could just reply and have the same feeling again.
On a personal note I think Rockstar should have just connected the 3D universe to the HD universe that way they could show us that time has past in the GTA universe hell even connect the Top-down universe to it would have made GTA deeper storywise
Actually, they did keep them connected (in their heads). The universes thing is an excuse for not bringing back old characters and the voice actor conflict.
@@extremeboss5282 I'm saying that they should be canon connected not bring old character level of connected they could say that the main characters from the 3D universe died so that way they can't be brought back
I think u got the date Rong mate it was 2004 and 205 .this game was released mate
“See told you he was a busta”
Ball sacks is crazy no debate
You a buster 🔫
Grove Street 4 life 💚
good idea but in gta sa cj started buying up businesses like the auto shop and getting out of the gang life. it was only sweet that brought him back so what if his heart was not into it anymore because he found a better way. also i sware there was a sign or a billboard about cj being a model or owning a model agencie.
No neighborhood is the same after almost 30 years man
Basically the old ps2 gta games are from the 3D universe and the newer onces (IV and V) are from the HD universe.
I really don't understand why all the different games have different universes. They made the games so much more complicated to understand for absolutely no reason
I mean 21 years passed between San Andreas and V. The Ballas could have regrouped and retook territory in LS since CJ took the city over
grove st needs their own game,kinda like san andreas but more in depth with the gangsta shit
"YOU'VE PICKED THE WRONG STREET FOOLS"
-Big Smoke
It’s because nobody sees the Easter egg that is the entire grove st maybe one day instead of driving around at 200mph you’ll drive slowly in and out of grove street paying attention to graffiti and you’ll notice something
no car or vehicle in GTA 5 can go 200mph without franklin's Special
+ The Ballas had connections with cops & the FIB
i kinda do wish they where in the same universe but when grove street peaked like that they would not have fallen just like that it proabbly took some time before they did
With Sweet being the Leader and CJ being second in command GSF would easily crumble like it did. Sweet would have most likely gotten shot and killed, or locked up in Jail. CJ as we all know moved on from the street life during the events and after the events of the game concentrating on the many businesses he accumulated through the game.
I think once you beat San Andreas and go back to Grove Street the Ballas already took it over if im not mistaken
oly og remember this
I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda
I like to think that gta 5 is a different timeline that CJ didn't come back to LS in 1992 and left the hood life and is still in Liberty City. He just moved on shit like that happens.
if cj saw his brother die and already feels guilty, blaming him the second he got back was a clear indication of why he ran away, cj didn’t need to hear all that shit when he was in pain too…
They aren't different universes. In the last mission in SA you burn the whole city down and it has to be rebuilt. The ballas ended up in old Grove Street moved in during the rebuild and there were no Grove street members left after the corruption tore them apart. The only part that's still recognizably is the floodway behind the neighborhood. It's the only major infrastructure that didn't have to be completely torn up
Rockstar ia full of shit for not lettin us know what the fuck happened
rockstar said they're different universes. the gang as we know in san andreas is more than likely very different in this universe
Because nothing happened; they’re in different universes
@@MaeRose26so, if Rockstar says that the Earth is flat, will you believe it?
@@alrvwpvekcopthe universes thing is a rockstar lie.
@@extremeboss5282 that’s the stupidest fucking comparison I’ve ever heard
Honestly Denise Clinton could have dated CJ back in the 90s. That would connect her to GTA lore. There's no proof that Denise doesn't know CJ.
They need a gta sandreas sequal we need to see what happened
In gta 5 there is one line that they could be ceos by now so i think they left grove street and are rich as shit now as seen in gta 4
Okay, so hear me out. I have 3 questions:
1- anyone else here play (or used to play) gta5 online?
2- do any of you have an arcade?
And if yes to both of those, then
3- have you ever payed attention to the NPC who hangs out by the entrance? Like specifically, who he looks like? I know i can't possibly be the only one who thinks he looks like CJ...
Join the discord and send me a photo?
Ahh, i don't do discord. Tried it once, confused the hell outta me (not too tech savvy. Unless i can play video games on it, watch porn on it, or listen to music on it, i don't have much interest in learning it.😂) so i uninstalled it
@@LScentral but, if you ever find yourself in gta online, go into your arcade (or another players if you don't own one) through the front entrance, soon as you go through the glass door, head down the steps to your right. He's wearing green, so you really can't miss him. Like right by the steps with another NPC.
To games existed in different universes and we're not in Canon
Basically Rockstar was lazy didn't want to have to remake all of GTA SA and basically sat us down and was like son have I ever told you about alternate reality theory
Lmao
Franklin should be the new leader of Groove Street. Also if he and Denise were related to CJ then their names would be CJ, DJ, and FJ. xD Idk the sound of that.
Its simple. Bcoz of this universe isnt tied to 3D universe which is VC,SA and 3.
Story in gta sa and gta 5 are likely the same
I'd like to think the same events happened even though they're still in different universes
Great facts, Gta is what i grew up on.
Same GTA is the goat
A straightforward and obvious answer : they are separate universes
Worst answer ever. Universes thing is a Rockstar lie
I’m just gonna say this: I’ll always believe gta Iv and v (HD Universe) is really a completely different universe from the 3D games. I thought back then it just meant “era”, but it really means a different universe meaning a completely different world. It may have had similar or the same exact events that may have occurred in the past and ofc grove street families still existed. Unsure if anyone finds this logical tho. There’s no way that the layout of a part of a state or even an entire city changes that much in 20 years that everything is almost unrecognizable and the street names being different. That screams “this is not the same world”
You will always believe that Rockstar Games are saints and never lie. If they said that the Earth is flat, you will believe it just because Rockstar Games said so.
I'm not labelling them as liars, but come on, they are game developers, not the type of people who have sworn never to lie to even their wife.
My own theory is the Grove Street family after losing Grove Street Sweet change it into the The Families.
I am not sure. It is because GTA SA and GTA 5 are different universes.
That is the 3D Universe (3, VC, SA) and HD Universe (4, 5, 6). So they aren't interconnected ig.
Story is the same with minor changes
@@LScentral so SA and 5 has no direct connection? This doubt arised when I searched for Madd Dogg's mansion in 5. Many in reddit also claim that 5 and SA are in difd universes. As we know, the mansion is real close to the VINEWOOD sign, on a hill in the middle of city.
Whereas in 5, the VINEWOOD sign is on a hill, surrounded by forest, far from the city.
Maybe this is since the Map became more accurate? Or is it since in GTA 5 there is no Madd Dogg, No CJ, No smoke? (as its a diff universe).
This kinda concerns me cos, I wanted to see Tommy Vercetti's legacy, Vercetti estate etc in GTA6. So if VC and 6 are indeed in diff universes, we can't expect that right? 🥲
Pretty simple explanation, 30 years passed since GTA SA
technically 20 since GTA5 is set in 2011-2013, but Online is basically current day so...
You're assuming that CJ capturing all the gang territories is cannon and not just a fun mini-game.
Cjs running a casino, managing Maddogs career and a part time CIA operative. And swimming in cash.
He won't waste no time being a lowlife Grove street gangsta.
Theres 2 universes in gta the ed and 2d and the hd gta 4 and 5 are connected gta 3 vice city sandandres and are also connected with some 2d games
"GTA V had gang wars" wasn't it GTA San Andreas the one that had gang wars?
BALLA OGs Ren them off BALLAS 4LIFE
Ryder is thee only person in the whole game to call CJ a busta… you legit could’ve found 10+ instances of Ryder vocalizing this. But man’s created or found a drawing of Big Smoke and made up a voice of him saying something he never called CJ…
Please tell me this was to troll for engagement and to have people comment as such for the algorithm. Cause this bugged me!
1st. Cj did not run away he left to better his life and did. Sweet spent the whole game pulling cj back into that life. Cj had the money but sweet didn't wanna leave the family
2.Denise was cj's first girlfriend and you find her in a crackhouse that cj sets on fire..
She literally likes doing driveby and gang activities, which is something cj definitely doesn't like.. the only perk to dating her is her enjoying drivebys..She’s literally a crackhead you save. So I wouldn't call it running away more so dumped or "used" .
Cj ain't no buster he's cj put some respec on his name