True. So many Millennials are crazy about totally revealing themselves on social media and they just love being on camera (selfies, reality tv, surveillance cameras). Such a generation could very well create a hyper-Orwellian society that makes slaves of everyone.
Judging generations based on perceived traits is silly and lacking any scientific accuracy. There are many lazy Gen-X’ers and many industrious millennials. Leave the simple thinking to the simple minded.
Best dialog in this movie: "Why did you catch that?" "It was going to fall" "But it didn't fall...you caught it." That's the problem with predicting the future, illustrated.
To quote the matrix video game: Ghost: Hume teaches us that past experiences don't affect the future. If you throw a stone, a hundred times it can fall down, yet once it may fly up.
That is applicable to probability, like a coin, or a dice, but gravity and Newton's first law are more than simple human experience. Unless something catches the vase or strucks the stone, they WILL fall down, accelerating towards the center of the planet.
The Grimm Commoner It’s part of the elites’ religion, to “tell” us what they intend. But it’s not sporting to tell us DIRECTLY. Hence, Hollywood playing dungeonmaster to the gameboard in America, and BBC in Britain, etc. Thor: Ragnarok was their way of saying Sweden is lost
If you were interested by this, I strongly recommend the anime Psycho-pass, in which the population is policed by tracking their "insanity quotient". A police force attempts to arrest people before murders and other violent crimes are comitted, until encountering someone who can slip past the system.
flashclynes Sheesh dude! Open your mind! Anime is just another storytelling medium. After going through chemo and depression 12 years ago, I saw Howl’s Moving Castle for the first time. It was the loveliest thing I saw after brushing death...AND it was suitable for 13 year olds ;)
That was a good show, though anime isn't for everyone; hopefully he could watch it long enough to see some of the interesting concepts and ideas that show had about the future.
You well never convince people to watch anime by comparing it to something they like. Either you watch anime, in which case you don't need to be told to do so, or you don't watch anime, in which case it comes across almost like an overzealous Mormon. Those who watch anime like it. Those who don't watch anime don't like it.
This actually Philip k dick is the godfather of scifi in his anthology book I hope I shall arrive soon he discusses this very topic when he states that sci fi is a window into the unknown All the modern technology you know to day came from some writers mind in the 50s He also points out if you want to know what the future has in store read sci fi Science wouldn't exist as it does today without science fiction And it's true everything from tvs to even UA-cam and the phones you watch it on was thought up decades ago by some writer That apple watch that let's you use it like a phone well dick tracy had that in the early 40s
Ciro Alpha Lyon Yeah why does Hollywood want me to hate this certain character but I end up loving that character?This industry has forgotten how to write.
doomtomb3 That’s not true, there are plenty of excellent novels out there that could be made into movies, Hollywood is just too cowardly to take the gamble on non-brand name recognition properties. At least not on a larger scale/budget that some need to be successful.
I didn't mean that literally. I meant that Hollywood was never very original to begin with; that most of their best work came from written film adaptations. Unless you want to refute that point too.
Yeah that’s interesting, but that would ruin the whole dystopian vision that the prisoners are tormented in confinement, which I thought was the case. Otherwise the whole conviction of the innocent thing isn’t as tragic, in my view.
thedarknesscallingme lol it’s the movie that made me close my curtains as a kid because It made me believe satellites could track and watch us like that 😂
Dave there's an awesome anime called Psycho-pass that has some similarities to Minority Report. A massive centralised computer system can scan people & assess their emotional & psychological state of mind, accurately predicting their likelihood of committing a crime. Police weapons use the system to determine punishment, eg a murderer will be killed whereas more minor crimes the gun will only allow the person to be stunned. It delves into many ideological & moral issues, check it out I think you might like it.
Broadcast Station MinTV But dave isn't a powder blue sociopath. He might not relate. But yeah, that one is way down the hole in terms of thought crime and merit based on predicting personality outcomes. It's funny the way they treat the actual sane people in that series...
Thank you for connecting these dots. I recently found myself rewatching this film and introducing it to others. I couldn't pinpoint why it suddenly became so relevant to me again. Now I know why. How very right you are. Major kudos.
Dave, check out Psycho Pass. That bit about the Chicago PD is basically straight out of Psycho Pass. I'm sure I am not the only one to suggest this here. But I want to emphasize it. Awesome video, and I love Minority Report! Keep up the good work!
As a former Records Manager, I like that our hero is adamant that a file exists, only to find that There was no file. story of my life at one stage, without the guns jetpacks.
Great analysis as usual Dave! Sadly, when the movie ended, Anderton and the "Precogs" were personally better off, yet they were still living in a dystopian society.
There's also "Psycho Pass" an anime about peoples predisposition towards crime being evaluated based on their mental and emotional state at the time; a good show if you don't mind anime.
I think that the importance of this movie lies not in the "predictions" that it made about future technology but instead with with the insistence on looking and seeing. Note how often we have images related to seeing: the visions, the eyes that are substituted for other eyes, the round ball that looks like an eyeball and more. It's an invitation to gauge what is real and what isn't.
I think the company that Dave maybe referring to who is a major player called Palantir. They also do work for big food companies, Walmart/ Asda and more.
You know Dave, I'd love to hear your take on Farscape. It's a little weak in the first season, but that's common in TV, and it gets much better after that. I liked the show as much as Firefly, personally.
Those things disrupt lives. If you say have a CCW, they will suspend it. If you have certain certifications, they can be suspended. Its still unjust for a crime you havent committed.
I agree but would do more of a mandatory therapy, or maybe a prison sentence but a lighter one, due to the fact the victim didn’t die or suffer much. If it weren’t for the creepy looking holding tubes the prisoners are kept in, such a system isn’t so horrific in my view.
One aspect missing from this: While we can talk about AI being used to predict patterns that lead to police intervention (though maybe best to send a social worker to provide assistance, rather than force potential armed confrontation), with all of the red flags for the school shooter in Florida, there was no "preventive arrest" action that could be legally taken. On one hand, they says it's biased to judge someone based on a criminal past, but on the other, how do you prevent a potential crime when someone with "no history" is predicted to do so in the near future.
While it is true that the police can't arrest someone for something they haven't done, I imagine that a lot of crimes would never occur if the police let the ones planning them know that they were being suspected. One of my issues with the film was why the police couldn't simply prevent the murder they foresaw and let the killer off with a warning. Almost none of the killers would likely make another attempt when they knew the police had them on their radar, especially since almost all the murders attempted under the system were done in the heat of the moment.
Otaku Bullfrog exactly, and the next attempts could have more and more severe punishments. Maybe the victim could be given rights to see the predictions with their tech device, such as after attempt #1.
Makes me wish the game Watch Dogs had a movie. The game universe has technology that uses facial recognition and mass survailence and run it through an algorythm to predict if some one is going to commit a crime.
Excellent review. I would like to point out a slight continuity error in your summary though. Anderton kills Crowe before Witwer confronts Burgess. Witwer is first made suspicious of the circumstances by examining the scene of Crowe's death, giving rise for this line: "I worked homicide before I went federal. This is what we call an orgy of evidence. You know how many orgies I had as a homicide cop?" "How many?" "None. This was all arranged." Probably the most memorable line in the movie for me, since it's a nice, subtle bit of writing. Fleshes out a bit more of Witwer's character, providing that much more context as to why he distrusts the Pre-Crime system, which is itself one giant orgy of evidence.
The problem I have with this movie is the same one I had with Speilberg's A.I. A schmalzy, contrived happy ending. In Phillip K. Dick's original book, John is not cleared of the prediction that he will commit murder. Instead, he eventually discovers, while trying to prove his innocence, why he would want to kill a man he doesn't know, and then makes the decision that killing that man is actually the right thing to do. He then surrenders to the police. There's no "happy" cabin-in-the-woods ending for the pre-cogs. They just go on doing what they do. The idea that a trio of enslaved savants would suddenly be able to function outside of the only existence they've ever known is preposterous. But Speilberg just doesn't have it in him to go the last mile in a serious film.
Self driving cars don’t currently drive you to the police station, but their location is visible to the police and they can issue a shutdown command that will have the car brake and stop and disable the engine. Even on non-self driving modern cars they can disable the engine remotely.
Yep, the 2006-2008 era for sure. Thats when the MCU was introduced via Iron Man (a film franchise that I actually believe has contributed a lot to our current movie trends), and when movies in general started getting this very vanilla, basic, stock kind of feeling that I think has continued to be the norm. Its all about playing it safe and making sure your film appeals to as many people as possible in order to make the most money.
@@Biggiiful Eh, I saw it; but I'm not a blade runner fanatic so it didn't really seem that spectacular to me. I'm sure it was good for the fans (perhaps), though I think they would have preferred a more original story instead of an odd sequel that only loosely connects to the original.
I love this film, and I can make two recommendations you should check out. I'd love to see your thoughts on them. THE FINAL CUT This is a film that exists in a future where people essentially have cameras inside their heads, and their entire life histories can be played back. The focus is on a man called a "Cutter", who's job it is to make first-person memorial videos out of this footage for funerals. SOURCE CODE In this film, a horrific trainwreck occurs on purpose by a terrorist hiding in plain sight. He threatens to cause destruction like this to happen nationwide, and potentially on a global scale, but no one can identify him. So, a man is asked to use an experimental machine that recreates the event from the collective consciousness of the victims' brains like a time machine, as the terrorist is among them; getting off the train some time before the wreck, and he needs to find the device that caused the crash if there's any hope of identifying the terrorist. He also spends these moments "back in time" in the body of one of the victims, and dies a lot. (It's kind of like Groundhog Day or Edge of Tomorrow in that regard.) It might not be entirely obvious how at first, but I've always kind of tied these three films together in my head. They go very well together. I'd also recommend looking into PSYCHO PASS. I don't know if you're that much into Japanese animé, but whenever Psycho Pass comes up, it's almost always described as being the animé equivalent to Minority Report, as it follows a very similar setup with people being arrested for crimes they were predicted to commit. (Do note that I haven't actually seen this series yet, and from what I can tell from general consensus, people do seem to prefer the first season over the second.)
I saw one movie once, I do not remember its name, but: I know, that it has 2 3 or 4 parts (more probably 3 or 4) It was Sci-Fi Located in the USA There were soldiers that were modified somehow, but they were forced to take some kind of stasis. All of those soldiers were on the evil side except for one. Thanks for helping with searching
One of my favorite Tom Cruise films, also enjoyed the edge of tomorrow and collateral. The MI series are fun leave your brain at the door films but have nothing on the others, I just don't get the hate on Cruise when he makes gems like this
@@tfpp1 Yeah I'll agree with that, the plot of the first film was at least intriguing. But after that they're just the usual block buster action films and there's nothing wrong with that
You should check out the TV show "Person of Interest", where a powerful machine analyzes data from cameras, social media, etc to predict if people are going to be involved in a violent crime.
When I bought my first iPhone (the first Gen iPhone) it was not available in Canada yet so the only way to make it work was to jailbreak it … I can see that becoming an option for self driving cars.
This movie was on the cusp of being great, I think. I feel like Spielberg was too old and comfortable to have the courage needed to fully make this a masterpiece. In a more human movie, Anderton's decision to arrest the man he believed kidnapped his son instead of killing him could have been one of the more powerful scenes in the genre.
The problem with this film is there was no way the main villain could know that sitting a random man in a random hotel room with a load of (fake) evidence he killed the hero's son would lead to said hero ending up in that room and killing the random guy
You should read the book, which has a completely different story and ending. In the book, multiple versions of the future are always presented, but those visions are combined into what's called a majority report, the most likely outcome for the future and that future is acted upon. Anderton has a minority report in the book, where he does not kill the man he's supposed to, but he actually chooses to kill him in order to validate the pre-crime system and is sent off to live in a penal colony.
Of course Spielberg did hire dozens of futurologists and brought them together over months to PLAN a coherent future society based on extrapolated visions of what was happening (surveillance, eye-dent, targeted advertising, driverless cars, flying cops, robotic trackers, and so on). They were told to make it as realistic as possible (no 'sudden discoveries' like anti-gravity or space-elevators) but not to hold back totally.
Anderton's decision not to kill Crow changes the context of the future-predictions. It says he has choice, but why does he have a choice if none of those he arrested did? One possibility is the same future-prediction concept that popped up in the Dune books with the precog powers of spice - only those that know the future truly have the power to change it. Here, Agatha tells him where his current path leads enabling him to walk a different path. This suggests that most people's actions are pre-determined by history and environment; the past and the present. That if we only have those two to work with we are on a fixed path to a specific outcome. However, if we can somehow determine the future; add that knowledge to the mix and then make decisions based on all 3, we can choose to change the outcome (or leave it as is). But how do you learn the future? In Dune and Minority Report they used external means to see the current outcome. Will Big Brother's Big Data be able to do the same? Time will tell.
The Danny getting killed and Leo Crow hotel room scenes were presented out of order. It was Danny who made the preponderance of evidence comment in Crow's room after Anderton had escaped said hotel room. FYI
The scene where Colin Farrell is killed and the revelation of the film's villain is stripped off from Kevin Spacey's death scene in L.A. Confidential. This scenario is again replicated in the Denzel Washington, Ryan Reynolds vehicle Safe house (2012)
I watched this for the first time at 17. I thought it was just another mediocre Spielberg-Cruise collaboration. I rewatched it some years later and I completely changed my opinions; this is an excellent sci-fi movie. One of those movies that everyone has seen but never seems to remember.
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The funny thing about Minority Report is the "Orgy of Evidence" scene involving the photographs that Leo Crowe had. Wittwer said that he had 0 orgies of evidence as a homicide detective; thus, suggesting that they don't happen unless the crime was staged. I just find it interesting that the same thing happened at Mandalay Bay. About 5 to 7 magazine of unfired ammunition were recovered in the room after police arrived to find the shooter dead, allegedly, of suicide. He was paraded as a nutcase who intended to kill people. Why would he kill himself before police even arrived while leaving ammunition just lying around ready to be fired? That qualifies as an "Orgy of Evidence." Lesson: Fiction movies do teach you valuable things in life. And, that is before you realize just how incompetent Mandalay Bay's security had to be for some "average joe" psycho to sneak in 42 guns through their security. You can't even get through airport security with a copper wire stuck up your ass, and I'm supposed to believe that getting 42 guns through a Hotel and Casino's security team is possible?!
Remember: Actually based on a book, by the same guy who wrote what became Total Recall and Bladerunner. Effin' genius. Book ends differently - Anderton kills the guy and takes the blame, preserving the precrime system for the good of society at personal expense.
I thought of this at the end but I have a lot to say so I am putting this on top. Do you think this can be used with "Brazil"? They are not the same movie by far, but I think the two can be brought together to discuss themes. Like determinism, and individual =vs= system, and "the future". How is punishment of crime handled? In Brazil, the antagonist also has important dreams/fantasies of fighting and winning against the system as we see at the last part of Minority Report. (ok, now with my regular comments, mind you, I say a lot!) I have problems with this movie, but if I step back there is actually a lot of good here. Besides the great conversation you have presented here, I like I feel care was taken in the writing of drama/characters. If you are going to adapt an existing short story into a full length motion picture, this is a good case to look at. It kind of feels like it is scenes but it is still engaging. I think a bit more polish could have been done, but it has good enough complications and themes. It had balls. I mean, the protagonist isn't simply starting out broken so he has an Arc, he is simply broken. He is a drug addict, he has psychological/emotional issues, he makes poor choices, etc. I am not sure ... could he be termed an anti-hero? There are some good tense moments of suspense and even a kind of horror. There was a neat set peace when we get to see the pre-cog in the real world and how John uses her like an inanimate tool for his own gains. I especially liked the possibly false ending, just as was done to great effect in the original Total Recall. It is a ploy, but I think it works. Where we cannot be sure what happened in the end ... I mean, who is the narrator anyway? How reliable are they? Which reality do we want? Hollywood is determined to have test audiences of limited audience and get things done that way thinking it will translate into a lot more sales. Thus the "happy ending" where everything turns out great for the protagonist and the antagonist gets his comeuppance. BUT the way the movie goes to great lengths to have dialogue YELLED to us in clear tones what "haloing" may do to prisoners cannot be denied. They say you are trapped in a dream state, and that you dream of winning, of being free, etc. And that is indeed what we see happen. So, is the end real, or is it John's dream and he is trapped inside the prison? But even that theme is relevant to the themes of the movie and even to todays world. How we know we can't change things for the best. Oh, we have those that scream crimes at us and get their change, but is that the change we need or the continued hell we deserve? We SHOULD care about social justice .. but what good do SJWs actually do? I don't mean to get political, but I think that can be done with this movie. That ending is another talk on The System Always Wins In The End. Even if we do have determinism, if we express our individuality we will either be incorporated into the system or destroyed by it.
I don’t know how I feel about that real life prediction. Because after all, it’s about known career criminals. But these things always start off innocent…
John Anderton _NEVER_ escaped confinement. The ending of the movie is his _imagining_ proving his innocence. The confinement technician specifically stated the people contained in the pre-crime prison live out their remaining lives in a fantasy state.
I think the system would be ok if they built in the idea that false positives will happen and therefore they have a checks and balances methodological approach to every case. Which they wont.
The old people in the movie are Millenials. Think about that for a second.
True. So many Millennials are crazy about totally revealing themselves on social media and they just love being on camera (selfies, reality tv, surveillance cameras). Such a generation could very well create a hyper-Orwellian society that makes slaves of everyone.
I mean most millennials are in their late twenties to thirties now.
Judging generations based on perceived traits is silly and lacking any scientific accuracy. There are many lazy Gen-X’ers and many industrious millennials. Leave the simple thinking to the simple minded.
@@couchgrouches7667 milenials=everyone born from 1970-2002
@@theicyphoenixrecords5980 *1984-1999
Best dialog in this movie:
"Why did you catch that?"
"It was going to fall"
"But it didn't fall...you caught it."
That's the problem with predicting the future, illustrated.
The correct response? ALWAYS LET IT FALL.
"What's really going to bake your noodle later on is: would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?"
To quote the matrix video game:
Ghost: Hume teaches us that past experiences don't affect the future. If you throw a stone, a hundred times it can fall down, yet once it may fly up.
That is applicable to probability, like a coin, or a dice, but gravity and Newton's first law are more than simple human experience. Unless something catches the vase or strucks the stone, they WILL fall down, accelerating towards the center of the planet.
And like all philosophical comments, it's complete nonsense.
Skynet and dystopian futures. One would think that these movies intended them as warnings and not societal goals.
Skynet has nothing to do with thought-crime.
Dubious Dave has other videos talking about Artificial Intelligence and how some are being taught to learn. Even scientists can be morons.
"Even scientists can be morons." HERESY!
TheAutistWhisperer I take it that you haven't played Bioshock. lol
The Grimm Commoner It’s part of the elites’ religion, to “tell” us what they intend. But it’s not sporting to tell us DIRECTLY. Hence, Hollywood playing dungeonmaster to the gameboard in America, and BBC in Britain, etc. Thor: Ragnarok was their way of saying Sweden is lost
Let's not forget the film was based on Philip K. Dick's short story "The Minority Report"
Which was very different, especially as the main character wanted to save the process not eliminate it.
Blade Runner, Total Recall, Minority Report, A Scanner Darkly. Philip K. Dick was a genius with his dystopian visions.
Electric Dreams
and isn't Minority Report a sequel to total recall?
PKD was a terrible writer. The themes are intriguing, but his work is confused and plebeian. Most of the movies based on his work are equally banal.
The future depicted in Minority Report is now a documentary.
Minority Report only applies to minorities.
It really is. We already have predictive police technology.
EXCELLENT Commantary. This movie blew my mind on the first viewing and I've always held it in high esteem.
If you were interested by this, I strongly recommend the anime Psycho-pass, in which the population is policed by tracking their "insanity quotient". A police force attempts to arrest people before murders and other violent crimes are comitted, until encountering someone who can slip past the system.
GreatSmithanon it’s a anime so I automatically assume it’s badly written and is for minds no older the 13.
flashclynes Sheesh dude! Open your mind! Anime is just another storytelling medium. After going through chemo and depression 12 years ago, I saw Howl’s Moving Castle for the first time. It was the loveliest thing I saw after brushing death...AND it was suitable for 13 year olds ;)
That was a good show, though anime isn't for everyone; hopefully he could watch it long enough to see some of the interesting concepts and ideas that show had about the future.
@@flashclynes ok troll.
You well never convince people to watch anime by comparing it to something they like. Either you watch anime, in which case you don't need to be told to do so, or you don't watch anime, in which case it comes across almost like an overzealous Mormon.
Those who watch anime like it. Those who don't watch anime don't like it.
That scene where anderton confronts Crow is probably my favorite acting from Cruise ever.
Read the book, written decades ago. Then the predictions shown will blow your mind
This actually Philip k dick is the godfather of scifi in his anthology book I hope I shall arrive soon he discusses this very topic when he states that sci fi is a window into the unknown
All the modern technology you know to day came from some writers mind in the 50s
He also points out if you want to know what the future has in store read sci fi
Science wouldn't exist as it does today without science fiction
And it's true everything from tvs to even UA-cam and the phones you watch it on was thought up decades ago by some writer
That apple watch that let's you use it like a phone well dick tracy had that in the early 40s
Phillip K Dick wrote awesome novels & short stories!
"His murder of Crow" - I just got that!
they don't even make good movies anymore
Ciro Alpha Lyon Yeah why does Hollywood want me to hate this certain character but I end up loving that character?This industry has forgotten how to write.
They ran out of books to turn into movies.
doomtomb3
That’s not true, there are plenty of excellent novels out there that could be made into movies, Hollywood is just too cowardly to take the gamble on non-brand name recognition properties. At least not on a larger scale/budget that some need to be successful.
I didn't mean that literally. I meant that Hollywood was never very original to begin with; that most of their best work came from written film adaptations. Unless you want to refute that point too.
doomtomb3
Ok....And I was supposed to get all of that from your simple sentence? Sorry but subtext doesn’t work in “text” without, you know, subtext.
I like the theory that everything after anderton's haloing is just his "dream" because of how happy of an ending for him, his wife and the pre-cogs
Dark Zhade Kind of reminds me of another sci fi classic and incidentally a Phillip K Dick story, Total Recall.
Yeah that’s interesting, but that would ruin the whole dystopian vision that the prisoners are tormented in confinement, which I thought was the case. Otherwise the whole conviction of the innocent thing isn’t as tragic, in my view.
I always laugh at my "tailored advertisements". They have no clue what I want.
DID THAT ALGORITHM JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?!?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I demand reparations
_Minority Report_ holds up really well. Relatable themes tend to do that.
You should do a review of Enemy of the State. When it came out it was science fiction, these days its all too real and it's quite scary.
thedarknesscallingme lol it’s the movie that made me close my curtains as a kid because It made me believe satellites could track and watch us like that 😂
Skadoosh Meh and now they can! did you see what kind of satellite Elon Musk was launching last week?
thedarknesscallingme Yeah that movie is a documentary now.Also it was a little creepy that Gene Hackman's character was named Edward.
Will smith ruins everything.
Was weird how everyone thought the things that happened in that movie were pure craziness, until the NSA leaks by Snowden that is.
Dave there's an awesome anime called Psycho-pass that has some similarities to Minority Report. A massive centralised computer system can scan people & assess their emotional & psychological state of mind, accurately predicting their likelihood of committing a crime. Police weapons use the system to determine punishment, eg a murderer will be killed whereas more minor crimes the gun will only allow the person to be stunned. It delves into many ideological & moral issues, check it out I think you might like it.
Aye, Dave. You should give Psycho-Pass a viewing.
Broadcast Station MinTV: There's an Orwellian 1984 nightmare. He should do it.
Hear hear!
Broadcast Station MinTV But dave isn't a powder blue sociopath. He might not relate.
But yeah, that one is way down the hole in terms of thought crime and merit based on predicting personality outcomes.
It's funny the way they treat the actual sane people in that series...
I would agree, not sure Dave is an Anime type of guy, but Psycho Pass is right up this ally if anyone liked exploring the concepts.
i think my favourite thing about that series was worrying about your psycho-pass value increases your psycho-pass value
Yes I remember this film, it's worth watching, and Dave's though explanation of the plot won't be a spoiler, as it's a complicated narrative !😀
Thank you for connecting these dots. I recently found myself rewatching this film and introducing it to others. I couldn't pinpoint why it suddenly became so relevant to me again. Now I know why.
How very right you are.
Major kudos.
These dystopian videos are fantastic Dave.
That Chicago PD report is just creepy
Dave, check out Psycho Pass. That bit about the Chicago PD is basically straight out of Psycho Pass. I'm sure I am not the only one to suggest this here. But I want to emphasize it.
Awesome video, and I love Minority Report! Keep up the good work!
That middle tooth at the2:20... CAN'T UNSEE!
I love your reviews of these movies, especially in the context of the present and near future of our lives
I absolutely loved Minority Report and thought the style was amazing. They even got smart watches right.
There's many colorful characters and ideas in this film and it predicts a crazy amount of modern tech with great accuracy.
As a former Records Manager, I like that our hero is adamant that a file exists, only to find that There was no file.
story of my life at one stage, without the guns jetpacks.
Great analysis as usual Dave! Sadly, when the movie ended, Anderton and the "Precogs" were personally better off, yet they were still living in a dystopian society.
Tom Cruise was really great in this. The plot about his missing son is very painful, makes it hard to rewatch even though it's a good movie
Craziest part being that they stopped them b4 the crime was committed yet punished them for something that they had just stopped from happening.
ThoughtCrime -- Orwell 1984
They managed to retain the pkdickness of the story 😊
Sounds like "Person of Interest" mixed with the new Chinese social credit score. Chilling.
There's also "Psycho Pass" an anime about peoples predisposition towards crime being evaluated based on their mental and emotional state at the time; a good show if you don't mind anime.
Philip K. Dick's stories and books are like a modern road map, tbqh.
I think that the importance of this movie lies not in the "predictions" that it made about future technology but instead with with the insistence on looking and seeing. Note how often we have images related to seeing: the visions, the eyes that are substituted for other eyes, the round ball that looks like an eyeball and more. It's an invitation to gauge what is real and what isn't.
I think the company that Dave maybe referring to who is a major player called Palantir. They also do work for big food companies, Walmart/ Asda and more.
You know Dave, I'd love to hear your take on Farscape. It's a little weak in the first season, but that's common in TV, and it gets much better after that. I liked the show as much as Firefly, personally.
I second this
Before watching the video, I went ahead and watched the whole movie. I gotta say that it was one of the best movies I've seen in a while.
The problem is not the technology but how its used, it would be better to prevent the murder and issue restraining orders.
flake452 it would be better then prison, but to unexpectedly lose your right to freely move for a crime you haven’t committed is still unjust.
not really a person with a restraining order just can't approach the person that issued it. they can go anywhere else.
Those things disrupt lives. If you say have a CCW, they will suspend it. If you have certain certifications, they can be suspended. Its still unjust for a crime you havent committed.
I agree but would do more of a mandatory therapy, or maybe a prison sentence but a lighter one, due to the fact the victim didn’t die or suffer much. If it weren’t for the creepy looking holding tubes the prisoners are kept in, such a system isn’t so horrific in my view.
One aspect missing from this: While we can talk about AI being used to predict patterns that lead to police intervention (though maybe best to send a social worker to provide assistance, rather than force potential armed confrontation), with all of the red flags for the school shooter in Florida, there was no "preventive arrest" action that could be legally taken. On one hand, they says it's biased to judge someone based on a criminal past, but on the other, how do you prevent a potential crime when someone with "no history" is predicted to do so in the near future.
While it is true that the police can't arrest someone for something they haven't done, I imagine that a lot of crimes would never occur if the police let the ones planning them know that they were being suspected. One of my issues with the film was why the police couldn't simply prevent the murder they foresaw and let the killer off with a warning. Almost none of the killers would likely make another attempt when they knew the police had them on their radar, especially since almost all the murders attempted under the system were done in the heat of the moment.
Otaku Bullfrog exactly, and the next attempts could have more and more severe punishments. Maybe the victim could be given rights to see the predictions with their tech device, such as after attempt #1.
Makes me wish the game Watch Dogs had a movie. The game universe has technology that uses facial recognition and mass survailence and run it through an algorythm to predict if some one is going to commit a crime.
The internet is the mind. The social present & future are the internet. THE THREAT OF THOUGHT CRIME IS REAL.
Well, and here we have Psycho Pass in real life... how terrifying!
Excellent review. I would like to point out a slight continuity error in your summary though. Anderton kills Crowe before Witwer confronts Burgess. Witwer is first made suspicious of the circumstances by examining the scene of Crowe's death, giving rise for this line:
"I worked homicide before I went federal. This is what we call an orgy of evidence. You know how many orgies I had as a homicide cop?"
"How many?"
"None. This was all arranged."
Probably the most memorable line in the movie for me, since it's a nice, subtle bit of writing. Fleshes out a bit more of Witwer's character, providing that much more context as to why he distrusts the Pre-Crime system, which is itself one giant orgy of evidence.
I feel like we don’t get a lot of films like this now. It’s so thought provoking on many levels.
The problem I have with this movie is the same one I had with Speilberg's A.I. A schmalzy, contrived happy ending. In Phillip K. Dick's original book, John is not cleared of the prediction that he will commit murder. Instead, he eventually discovers, while trying to prove his innocence, why he would want to kill a man he doesn't know, and then makes the decision that killing that man is actually the right thing to do. He then surrenders to the police. There's no "happy" cabin-in-the-woods ending for the pre-cogs. They just go on doing what they do. The idea that a trio of enslaved savants would suddenly be able to function outside of the only existence they've ever known is preposterous. But Speilberg just doesn't have it in him to go the last mile in a serious film.
There was an episode in Futurama with overly personalized commercials, check it out!
I really liked The Demolition Man.
In Futurama companies started airing commercials in your dreams. Now that's advertising.😂😂😂
They also had a spoof of Minority Report.
There was a Minority Report show last year or something about when the precogs first came into use
You may want to give Person of Interest a whirl.
Indeed, thought it takes a long time before the most interesting aspect of that show is revealed.
Self driving cars don’t currently drive you to the police station, but their location is visible to the police and they can issue a shutdown command that will have the car brake and stop and disable the engine. Even on non-self driving modern cars they can disable the engine remotely.
ask martin sellner or lauren southern
hollywooed died around 2006
Yep, the 2006-2008 era for sure. Thats when the MCU was introduced via Iron Man (a film franchise that I actually believe has contributed a lot to our current movie trends), and when movies in general started getting this very vanilla, basic, stock kind of feeling that I think has continued to be the norm. Its all about playing it safe and making sure your film appeals to as many people as possible in order to make the most money.
They managed one good movie after that: Inception. I haven't really seen any others since that have been any good.
@@joesomebody3365 Blade Runner 2049?
@@Biggiiful Eh, I saw it; but I'm not a blade runner fanatic so it didn't really seem that spectacular to me. I'm sure it was good for the fans (perhaps), though I think they would have preferred a more original story instead of an odd sequel that only loosely connects to the original.
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Reminds me of Medal Gear Solid 2. This game had so many things right and it is scary how far it will go in the future.
I love this film, and I can make two recommendations you should check out. I'd love to see your thoughts on them.
THE FINAL CUT
This is a film that exists in a future where people essentially have cameras inside their heads, and their entire life histories can be played back. The focus is on a man called a "Cutter", who's job it is to make first-person memorial videos out of this footage for funerals.
SOURCE CODE
In this film, a horrific trainwreck occurs on purpose by a terrorist hiding in plain sight. He threatens to cause destruction like this to happen nationwide, and potentially on a global scale, but no one can identify him. So, a man is asked to use an experimental machine that recreates the event from the collective consciousness of the victims' brains like a time machine, as the terrorist is among them; getting off the train some time before the wreck, and he needs to find the device that caused the crash if there's any hope of identifying the terrorist. He also spends these moments "back in time" in the body of one of the victims, and dies a lot. (It's kind of like Groundhog Day or Edge of Tomorrow in that regard.)
It might not be entirely obvious how at first, but I've always kind of tied these three films together in my head. They go very well together. I'd also recommend looking into PSYCHO PASS. I don't know if you're that much into Japanese animé, but whenever Psycho Pass comes up, it's almost always described as being the animé equivalent to Minority Report, as it follows a very similar setup with people being arrested for crimes they were predicted to commit. (Do note that I haven't actually seen this series yet, and from what I can tell from general consensus, people do seem to prefer the first season over the second.)
A similar movie is Code 46, but about eugenics. If you haven't watch it, highly recommended.
2:10 you can see how Tom Cruise's tooth is in the center of his face.
You will never unsee that.
Do the 'Nineteen Eighty Four' movie adaptation with John Hurt and Richard Burton.
Pre-cog Agatha (Samantha Morton) now plays Alpha in The Walking Dead.
I saw one movie once, I do not remember its name, but:
I know, that it has 2 3 or 4 parts (more probably 3 or 4)
It was Sci-Fi
Located in the USA
There were soldiers that were modified somehow, but they were forced to take some kind of stasis.
All of those soldiers were on the evil side except for one.
Thanks for helping with searching
This is not a review. This is a step by step explanation of what happens. Cmon guy
One of my favorite Tom Cruise films, also enjoyed the edge of tomorrow and collateral. The MI series are fun leave your brain at the door films but have nothing on the others, I just don't get the hate on Cruise when he makes gems like this
Well, to be fair, I don't think you have to "leave your brain at the door" for the first MI. But after that, increasingly, yeah.
@@tfpp1 Yeah I'll agree with that, the plot of the first film was at least intriguing. But after that they're just the usual block buster action films and there's nothing wrong with that
You should check out the TV show "Person of Interest", where a powerful machine analyzes data from cameras, social media, etc to predict if people are going to be involved in a violent crime.
I would love to see him do a review of the series Psycho Pass. There's an Orwellian 1984 nightmare.
Now I want to see this!
@9:20 ever watch Person of Interest?
They made a TV Series of this. Lasted one or two seasons. I recall it being pretty decent.
Wow, it's one of those movies you would have to watch many times.
I like how the first article referenced is written by 'Tyler Durden'.
When I bought my first iPhone (the first Gen iPhone) it was not available in Canada yet so the only way to make it work was to jailbreak it … I can see that becoming an option for self driving cars.
This movie was on the cusp of being great, I think. I feel like Spielberg was too old and comfortable to have the courage needed to fully make this a masterpiece.
In a more human movie, Anderton's decision to arrest the man he believed kidnapped his son instead of killing him could have been one of the more powerful scenes in the genre.
a product placement scene making a point about how advertising has gotten out of control.
Finally watching this film put the nail in Stranger Things' coffin for me. They truly ripped off every good thing they had from better men than they.
The problem with this film is there was no way the main villain could know that sitting a random man in a random hotel room with a load of (fake) evidence he killed the hero's son would lead to said hero ending up in that room and killing the random guy
You should read the book, which has a completely different story and ending. In the book, multiple versions of the future are always presented, but those visions are combined into what's called a majority report, the most likely outcome for the future and that future is acted upon. Anderton has a minority report in the book, where he does not kill the man he's supposed to, but he actually chooses to kill him in order to validate the pre-crime system and is sent off to live in a penal colony.
Of course Spielberg did hire dozens of futurologists and brought them together over months to PLAN a coherent future society based on extrapolated visions of what was happening (surveillance, eye-dent, targeted advertising, driverless cars, flying cops, robotic trackers, and so on). They were told to make it as realistic as possible (no 'sudden discoveries' like anti-gravity or space-elevators) but not to hold back totally.
do a review on psycho-pass next, i know its a Japanese anime but it comes closer to the tech precrime would use than this film did
One of Cruise's better movie's ...
Anderton's decision not to kill Crow changes the context of the future-predictions. It says he has choice, but why does he have a choice if none of those he arrested did?
One possibility is the same future-prediction concept that popped up in the Dune books with the precog powers of spice - only those that know the future truly have the power to change it. Here, Agatha tells him where his current path leads enabling him to walk a different path.
This suggests that most people's actions are pre-determined by history and environment; the past and the present. That if we only have those two to work with we are on a fixed path to a specific outcome. However, if we can somehow determine the future; add that knowledge to the mix and then make decisions based on all 3, we can choose to change the outcome (or leave it as is).
But how do you learn the future? In Dune and Minority Report they used external means to see the current outcome. Will Big Brother's Big Data be able to do the same? Time will tell.
The Danny getting killed and Leo Crow hotel room scenes were presented out of order. It was Danny who made the preponderance of evidence comment in Crow's room after Anderton had escaped said hotel room. FYI
The scene where Colin Farrell is killed and the revelation of the film's villain is stripped off from Kevin Spacey's death scene in L.A. Confidential. This scenario is again replicated in the Denzel Washington, Ryan Reynolds vehicle Safe house (2012)
I literally just finished reading this book yesterday. Stop reading my mind.
This movie still is bomb! I'm a big Tom Cruise fan and this is one of my favorites.
I watched this for the first time at 17. I thought it was just another mediocre Spielberg-Cruise collaboration. I rewatched it some years later and I completely changed my opinions; this is an excellent sci-fi movie. One of those movies that everyone has seen but never seems to remember.
Did you also see the TV show based off of Minority Report? it is set 2065. I thought it had potential but its lone season was cut short.
I love fan theory that ending to this movie is halo-induced. He didn't escaped prison, he is still there and system is feeding him happy story.
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and thought the idea was great, and some of the future ideas were very clever
Love this movie and also A.I
hmm I think in the TV show they said that they have run for over a year or a full year of test to see if the system was working.
And today, people are being isolated from society because they MIGHT make someone sick. Unfortunately, these movies DO age "WELL."
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All these great sci fi movies have one thing in common: original story by Philip K. Dick.
The funny thing about Minority Report is the "Orgy of Evidence" scene involving the photographs that Leo Crowe had. Wittwer said that he had 0 orgies of evidence as a homicide detective; thus, suggesting that they don't happen unless the crime was staged. I just find it interesting that the same thing happened at Mandalay Bay. About 5 to 7 magazine of unfired ammunition were recovered in the room after police arrived to find the shooter dead, allegedly, of suicide. He was paraded as a nutcase who intended to kill people. Why would he kill himself before police even arrived while leaving ammunition just lying around ready to be fired? That qualifies as an "Orgy of Evidence." Lesson: Fiction movies do teach you valuable things in life.
And, that is before you realize just how incompetent Mandalay Bay's security had to be for some "average joe" psycho to sneak in 42 guns through their security. You can't even get through airport security with a copper wire stuck up your ass, and I'm supposed to believe that getting 42 guns through a Hotel and Casino's security team is possible?!
Remember: Actually based on a book, by the same guy who wrote what became Total Recall and Bladerunner. Effin' genius. Book ends differently - Anderton kills the guy and takes the blame, preserving the precrime system for the good of society at personal expense.
I thought of this at the end but I have a lot to say so I am putting this on top. Do you think this can be used with "Brazil"? They are not the same movie by far, but I think the two can be brought together to discuss themes. Like determinism, and individual =vs= system, and "the future". How is punishment of crime handled? In Brazil, the antagonist also has important dreams/fantasies of fighting and winning against the system as we see at the last part of Minority Report.
(ok, now with my regular comments, mind you, I say a lot!)
I have problems with this movie, but if I step back there is actually a lot of good here. Besides the great conversation you have presented here, I like I feel care was taken in the writing of drama/characters. If you are going to adapt an existing short story into a full length motion picture, this is a good case to look at. It kind of feels like it is scenes but it is still engaging. I think a bit more polish could have been done, but it has good enough complications and themes.
It had balls. I mean, the protagonist isn't simply starting out broken so he has an Arc, he is simply broken. He is a drug addict, he has psychological/emotional issues, he makes poor choices, etc. I am not sure ... could he be termed an anti-hero?
There are some good tense moments of suspense and even a kind of horror. There was a neat set peace when we get to see the pre-cog in the real world and how John uses her like an inanimate tool for his own gains.
I especially liked the possibly false ending, just as was done to great effect in the original Total Recall. It is a ploy, but I think it works. Where we cannot be sure what happened in the end ... I mean, who is the narrator anyway? How reliable are they? Which reality do we want? Hollywood is determined to have test audiences of limited audience and get things done that way thinking it will translate into a lot more sales. Thus the "happy ending" where everything turns out great for the protagonist and the antagonist gets his comeuppance. BUT the way the movie goes to great lengths to have dialogue YELLED to us in clear tones what "haloing" may do to prisoners cannot be denied. They say you are trapped in a dream state, and that you dream of winning, of being free, etc. And that is indeed what we see happen. So, is the end real, or is it John's dream and he is trapped inside the prison?
But even that theme is relevant to the themes of the movie and even to todays world. How we know we can't change things for the best. Oh, we have those that scream crimes at us and get their change, but is that the change we need or the continued hell we deserve? We SHOULD care about social justice .. but what good do SJWs actually do? I don't mean to get political, but I think that can be done with this movie.
That ending is another talk on The System Always Wins In The End. Even if we do have determinism, if we express our individuality we will either be incorporated into the system or destroyed by it.
Great opinion there.
I don’t know how I feel about that real life prediction. Because after all, it’s about known career criminals. But these things always start off innocent…
John Anderton _NEVER_ escaped confinement. The ending of the movie is his _imagining_ proving his innocence. The confinement technician specifically stated the people contained in the pre-crime prison live out their remaining lives in a fantasy state.
I want one of those sicks sticks
Dave. Can you please make a "Galaxy Quest" video?
Why, in the name of God ?
TooLegit ToQuit Because there's a hidden message in it. I wonder if you know what it is.
I think the system would be ok if they built in the idea that false positives will happen and therefore they have a checks and balances methodological approach to every case. Which they wont.