Being a Dutchman I only recently learned about the history of Burgundy. Now I can't stop thinking what my country would have looked like if Burgundy had survived to modern times. In the end, the Burgundian counts created a place where Dutch (and Flemish) culture could prosper, they were the first to unite the low countries and created a common identity. If only Charles the Bold was a little less bold and a little more cunning.
They were dukes, not counts. And even though the region was united I wouldn't say there was a common identity, nor would I be so sure about that Dutch/Flemish culture. I find it weird that as someone from the Netherlands you would've preferred Burgundian rule. If there's no succession crisis, there's never a Philip II, so no secession, no fall and blocking of the port of Antwerp (which ended the Flemish Golden Age), no Dutch Golden Age, no VOC, no nothing. Even the first university in present day Netherlands was only founded during the 80 Years' War. And more than likely it's that common enemy that gave the Netherlands its common identity (although there are still many identities like above and below the Moerdijk, Friesland, and so on...) Everything would've still been centered around present day Belgium: politics at the ducal (later imperial) palace in Brussels (where later Charles V would abdicate in favor of Phillip II), trade and arts in Flanders (mostly Bruges & Ghent), the university in Leuven, jurisdiction and upbringing of rulers in Mechelen. Philip the Good spent the latter part of his life in Bruges, founded the Order of the Golden Fleece, and died there, Mary was born in Brussels, got married in Ghent, died in Wijnendale, Philip the Handsome was born in Bruges and got married in Lier. And Burgundian culture was quite the antipode of Dutch culture today lol. Still even if Charles had been more cunning, as you say, that doesn't mean he would've produced any more heirs.
The Low Countries were also a united entity before and after Mary of Burgundy married Maximilian I. They were part of the Holy Roman Empire, but the Dutch inhabitants of each region of the Low Countries fixated on the identity of their own respective region and resented attempts by the Holy Roman Emperor to "impose" standards on them that did in fact unite them.
00:00:00 1. Basse Danse La Bassa Castyglia (anon.) 1'32 00:01:32 2. Stropha Vergene Bella, Che Di Sol Vestita 3'54 00:05:26 3. Chanson La Belle Se Siet Au Piet De La Tour 3'08 00:08:34 4. Ballade Se La Face Ay Pale 2'58 00:11:32 5. Se La Face Ay Pale 2 1'15 00:12:47 6. Se La Face Ay Pale 3 1'53 00:14:40 7. Rondeau Mon Cuer Me Fait Tous Dis Penser 5'34 00:20:14 8. Ballade Resveilliés Vous Et Faites Chiere Lye 5'25 00:25:39 9. Basse Danse La Spagna (anon.) 1'34 00:27:13 10. Rondeau Par Droit Je Puis Bien Complaindre Et Gemir 4'03 00:31:16 11. Rondeau Le Souvenir De Vous (Robert Morton) 2'08 00:33:24 12. Rondeau Pour L'Amour De Ma Doulce Amye 3'06 00:36:30 13. Bassa Danza Collinetto (anon.) 4'01 00:40:31 14. Chanson Bon Jour, Bon Mois 1'46 00:42:17 15. Rondeau Adieu Ces Bons Vins De Lannoys 4'01 00:46:18
Premier et remarquable coffret (1969!) sur des musiques de 1300 à 1600 concernant des pays et périodes tels: _ Le Décameron de Boccace _ La guerre de cent ans _ La cour de Bourgogne _ Le temps de Christophe Colomb _ le XVIè Italien. Il eut le privilège de nous permettre de découvrir toutes ces musiques anciennes avec entre autre G.Machaut , G. Dufay, Landini, et anonymes... Je retrouve avec joie ces disques et espère qu'ils sauront convaincre ceux qui les découvriront!
Merci beaucoup pour cet enregistré ancien ( et plutôt bien nettoyé ) . Je collectionne ce type d'enregistrements de musique ancienne et je ne connaissais pas celui-là . 🤗 💚 ☺
Can't thank you enough for posting this. Have loved this album for decades; sadly, it (like many other Musica Reservata's LPs) seems never to have made it to CD. These are great performances of beautiful pieces. It's especially interesting to hear Jantina Noorman sing Dufay's long lines in a softer-grained, more lyrical style, compared with the wonderfully earthy hollering she can produce in other music when she chooses.
Thank you so much. This album was my first encounter with this kind of music, maybe 30 years ago, and it was the start of a love that lasts till the present day. I had this album on tape, but couldn't play it anymore because my cassette deck broke down. It is great to have it at my disposal again! The performance of Guillaume Dufay's Vergene Bella on this record is the best I've ever heard.
Music as both a lasting inspiration and a celebration. The late Richard Vaughan, wonderful medieval Professor of History at Hull really was the spitting image of his world-renowned research and subject - Philip The Good. Now 50 years of thanks to cantina Noorman, Michael Morrow, John Beckett, David Munrow and the entire Consort, just sublime. Thank You....
Esta cruz es el "Aspa de Borgoña" o cruz de San Andrés (patrón de Borgoña), bandera del Imperio Español desde Felipe el Hermoso hasta todos los Habsburgo españoles.
Immortalize the Battle of Nancy: the continent's "I will die a King or triumph one on the field of battle." Tactical feet only actually feel thrown by the Burgundian king. End of the feudal era.
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Being a Dutchman I only recently learned about the history of Burgundy. Now I can't stop thinking what my country would have looked like if Burgundy had survived to modern times. In the end, the Burgundian counts created a place where Dutch (and Flemish) culture could prosper, they were the first to unite the low countries and created a common identity. If only Charles the Bold was a little less bold and a little more cunning.
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They were dukes, not counts. And even though the region was united I wouldn't say there was a common identity, nor would I be so sure about that Dutch/Flemish culture.
I find it weird that as someone from the Netherlands you would've preferred Burgundian rule.
If there's no succession crisis, there's never a Philip II, so no secession, no fall and blocking of the port of Antwerp (which ended the Flemish Golden Age), no Dutch Golden Age, no VOC, no nothing. Even the first university in present day Netherlands was only founded during the 80 Years' War. And more than likely it's that common enemy that gave the Netherlands its common identity (although there are still many identities like above and below the Moerdijk, Friesland, and so on...)
Everything would've still been centered around present day Belgium: politics at the ducal (later imperial) palace in Brussels (where later Charles V would abdicate in favor of Phillip II), trade and arts in Flanders (mostly Bruges & Ghent), the university in Leuven, jurisdiction and upbringing of rulers in Mechelen. Philip the Good spent the latter part of his life in Bruges, founded the Order of the Golden Fleece, and died there, Mary was born in Brussels, got married in Ghent, died in Wijnendale, Philip the Handsome was born in Bruges and got married in Lier.
And Burgundian culture was quite the antipode of Dutch culture today lol.
Still even if Charles had been more cunning, as you say, that doesn't mean he would've produced any more heirs.
Wij Willen Willem Weg Will Willem Wijzer Worden WIllen Wij WIllem Weer
The dutch. Pah!
Let's just hope if a modern day Burgundy comes to life, it wouldn't be one like in TNO.
The Low Countries were also a united entity before and after Mary of Burgundy married Maximilian I. They were part of the Holy Roman Empire, but the Dutch inhabitants of each region of the Low Countries fixated on the identity of their own respective region and resented attempts by the Holy Roman Emperor to "impose" standards on them that did in fact unite them.
00:00:00 1. Basse Danse La Bassa Castyglia (anon.) 1'32
00:01:32 2. Stropha Vergene Bella, Che Di Sol Vestita 3'54
00:05:26 3. Chanson La Belle Se Siet Au Piet De La Tour 3'08
00:08:34 4. Ballade Se La Face Ay Pale 2'58
00:11:32 5. Se La Face Ay Pale 2 1'15
00:12:47 6. Se La Face Ay Pale 3 1'53
00:14:40 7. Rondeau Mon Cuer Me Fait Tous Dis Penser 5'34
00:20:14 8. Ballade Resveilliés Vous Et Faites Chiere Lye 5'25
00:25:39 9. Basse Danse La Spagna (anon.) 1'34
00:27:13 10. Rondeau Par Droit Je Puis Bien Complaindre Et Gemir 4'03
00:31:16 11. Rondeau Le Souvenir De Vous (Robert Morton) 2'08
00:33:24 12. Rondeau Pour L'Amour De Ma Doulce Amye 3'06
00:36:30 13. Bassa Danza Collinetto (anon.) 4'01
00:40:31 14. Chanson Bon Jour, Bon Mois 1'46
00:42:17 15. Rondeau Adieu Ces Bons Vins De Lannoys 4'01
00:46:18
And the next song: Burgundian Lullaby
Vive Bourgogne !
oh oui VIVE LA BOURGOGNE et la Duchesse Marie
I really wish they would reissue this in a digital format, or even on CD. It is superb.
Lang leve Bourgondië,- en weg de perfide Armagnacs!
Premier et remarquable coffret (1969!) sur des musiques de 1300 à 1600
concernant des pays et périodes tels:
_ Le Décameron de Boccace
_ La guerre de cent ans
_ La cour de Bourgogne
_ Le temps de Christophe Colomb
_ le XVIè Italien.
Il eut le privilège de nous permettre de découvrir toutes ces musiques
anciennes avec entre autre G.Machaut , G. Dufay, Landini, et anonymes...
Je retrouve avec joie ces disques et espère qu'ils sauront convaincre
ceux qui les découvriront!
Outstanding. Superb. Elegant. Harmonious.
Prenant, touchant , élégant, on ne s'en lasse pas.
Still have all the vinyl, thanks for uploading! Super medieval music!👌💪🙏💯
Virgin TNO burgundy chad real Burgundy
Merci beaucoup pour cet enregistré ancien ( et plutôt bien nettoyé ) . Je collectionne ce type d'enregistrements de musique ancienne et je ne connaissais pas celui-là . 🤗 💚 ☺
Can't thank you enough for posting this. Have loved this album for decades; sadly, it (like many other Musica Reservata's LPs) seems never to have made it to CD. These are great performances of beautiful pieces. It's especially interesting to hear Jantina Noorman sing Dufay's long lines in a softer-grained, more lyrical style, compared with the wonderfully earthy hollering she can produce in other music when she chooses.
Can't agree more! PLEASE someone put all MR on CDs. Floreat Jantina!
Sublime j,ose espérer que mon cher Maximilian a entendu cette merveilleuse musique c,est fascinant
Thank you so much. This album was my first encounter with this kind of music, maybe 30 years ago, and it was the start of a love that lasts till the present day. I had this album on tape, but couldn't play it anymore because my cassette deck broke down. It is great to have it at my disposal again! The performance of Guillaume Dufay's Vergene Bella on this record is the best I've ever heard.
Music as both a lasting inspiration and a celebration. The late Richard Vaughan, wonderful medieval Professor of History at Hull really was the spitting image of his world-renowned research and subject - Philip The Good. Now 50 years of thanks to cantina Noorman, Michael Morrow, John Beckett, David Munrow and the entire Consort, just sublime. Thank You....
I believe you meant 'spit and image'.
How beautiful; especially via good headphones and with a book!
or....what is fondly known to the cognoscenti as a spleef of monkey-juice
Perfect for studying Modern History. Thanks you very much.
Music from a time when music itself could represent the power of a monarch or the state.
Medieval music has such an enchanting timeless quality to it.
It's not medieval but renaissance music.
@@NA-zq3fz When does the medieval era end?? The so called reinassaince era is a farse.
@@NA-zq3fzthe two overlap.
Esta cruz es el "Aspa de Borgoña" o cruz de San Andrés (patrón de Borgoña), bandera del Imperio Español desde Felipe el Hermoso hasta todos los Habsburgo españoles.
Maravilloso
Welcome to the Renaissance.
Splendid.
MR
bella la musica etnosdanze
Imagine a burgundian state in modern day... that will be interesting
A Gamerstaat you mean
@LeopoldBall, oh boy...
Where do I even start? 😓
@@TNOfan4093 You are terrible. Burgundy has nothing to do with TNO.
@@therealsteelchill I know it betterly than anyone : I am Burgundian
@@TNOfan4093 really now? You're fine with your cultural legacy being reduced to a meme mod fascist?
PS 1474 ! l,année ou Charles le téméraire a rencontré son futur Gendre Maximilian en novembre a Trier Allemagne ... il avait 14ans a l,époque .
Happy AOE2 DE Expansion!
Sadly enough, almost everyone who thinks of the word ‘Burgundy’ gets TNO flashbacks.
My people.
Immortalize the Battle of Nancy: the continent's "I will die a King or triumph one on the field of battle." Tactical feet only actually feel thrown by the Burgundian king. End of the feudal era.
Hoomeyow!!
Burgundy order state
streng geheim
THERE IS NO HOPE UNDER THE BLACK SUN.
Medieval Burgundy was better
@@TNOfan4093 Fact. Those Burgundian dukes didn't game too much. :D
@@oznelnavnaekal6679 Louis XI disapproves
@@TNOfan4093 Yep, but he of course was a pure Frenchman. Burgundy was a mix between French, Dutch and some German peoples.
This is a sick mixtape
Then why did you bother to listen?
@@Sennmut sick = cool/amazing in this context
@@adamhall5298 I am 56 and even I guessed that. Lol
Gamerstaat Burgund TNO
Meow ;)
Meow
meow
"Let's not spoil it... i got that, MEOW!" Groundhog day (Phil Conners).
а чо качает
ага
Streng geheim
When Burgundian system was an utopia :
Has nothing to do with TNO
@@therealsteelchill No shit !