Will braid help bite detection with a weightless wacky rig??? | Yough River Smallmouth |
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- Will braid help bite detection with a weightless wacky rig??? | Yough River Smallmouth |
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Haha you ain't kidding! I cant wait for spring to roll around again!!! Honestly the only issue with that time of year in my opinion is trying to get your bait in front of a bigone before a smaller fish eats it!!! Thanks for watchin!!!!
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Stummble up this channel, i'll give it a follow. You basicly said all the reasons me my self love rivers. :P (living next to one help) Fishing river in sweden, using wightless when the lillypads/grass die down, or leting the current bring it into the backwater and just pop it from time to time before so it dont sink to the bottom. But a jon boat or kajak are nice to have. But to fish it from the bank you better off with ned or freerig or sure, unless maybe fishing the margin.
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Great video! The river is not always relaxing and that’s why I love it too…I’m trying to get away from using the wacky rig so much and your recent videos are great info. Thanks
Thanks! I think getting away from regularly throwing a weightless wacky rig (if someone regularly throws it) is about the smartest move that person could do. From what I am seeing anyway! Of course, half a dozen trips with a weightless wacky is a very small sample size, but with so many comments confirming my results on this rig is basically telling me what is happening to me is happening to others, and the things happening with this rig are not good at all in my eyes. Thanks for watchin chris!!!
So one thing that I have found from watching yt fishing videos all the time and seeing what works for certain people is that what works for some is just not for everyone. Don’t get me wrong, trying something new can be fun and challenging, but we go fishing to catch fish. If you know something that WILL catch fish then forget what others say (myself included) because even one side of the bank to the other will have different conditions, current, structure etc. if you have found something that always works than just focus on that and catch fish!
You are correct, what this technique is starting to teach me though is...I haven't had an issue with catching fish with any setup I have tried, but I have had issues, and these issues are not exclusively my issues, which is what is making me continue these videos. In this series of videos (first to last) was 1. losing Senko's (typical problem) 2 Losing fish (mistakes with rigging)3. cant feel the bite (typical problem) 4.wind knots/line memory 5. gut hooking (new to me but also something that is semi common apparently) I call that semi common because I'm sure if someone is gut hooking fish on the regular with this rig they aren't exactly going to come forward and say so (even tho some actually have mentioned gut hooking being a higher chance with the weightless wacky).The reason I say all of this in response to the idea of, what works for some doesn't work for all, doesn't apply in my eyes. In my eyes this bait has issues that some don't care about (gut hooking), some don't realize is happening to them (missed bites) and/or there is some super specific technique out there to prevent these issues of which I have yet to see or hear from anyone. Thanks for watchin!
You can't change my mind Ish. Haha. Still love tossing the weightless wacky rigged senko on straight 6# or 8# fluoro. I'll admit I fish a lot of calmer holes with it when fishing the creeks and rivers. Usually, if I'm fishing in heavier current, I'll switch to a weighted wacky hook or put a nail in one end of the senko, making it a neko rig. Then I can feel it bounce along the bottom. The ned is an awesome bait too. Caught my fair share of fish on both. The biggest thing is just getting out there and finding the fish and getting a bait in front of them. As for the double davy knot, used that all the time when fly fishing. Much smaller knot and made my tippet last longer. Never tried it with heavier line for bass fishing. I'll have to give it a try
hahah not trying to change your mind joe! I'm mostly just using the wacky n seeing the issues I'm having and seem to be similar problems for some other people. I consider you a pro, you have probably been throwing the wacky since before I was born🤣🤣🤣 wasn't trying to make that an old guy joke even though is sounds like it!
I think so far what I'm saying is if there is someone out there throwing a wacky rig every time they go fish, that they should probably try something else and they may be pleasantly surprised by the results lol but I'm also saying there has to be an answer for all the issues I'm having with this bait. So far, I seemed to have solved the losing fish issue and some of the bite detection issue, but I still feel like there has to be a better way. If I figure that out it may help a lot of people including myself with the wacky rig.
Joe I think you have more knowledge of fishing then you even realize. The fact you knew about the double davy blows my mind! I have been using it with my 10lb fluoro for over a year and its holding strength is up there with the best knots! I even tried it with 60lb fluoro leader for musky and it held amazingly! Thanks for watchin joe!!!
@fishinwithish Ish..... I am old. Hahaha. I used to do a little fly fishing back in the day, and the double davy knot is know by most fly fisherman, so don't be too impressed that I knew it. Haha. I always thought of it as an easy and quick way to tie on those tiny flies, never thought of it as being a very strong knot, or using it on heavier line for bigger fish. If it's working for you though, that's great.
hahaha. Makes sense that me n mike learned it from that Doug guy at pa fly co then... I do honestly think it's as strong possibly even stronger than any other knot I've used for fluoro!
Mike taught Wyatt the double Davy. He ties it in seconds now. Real ones watch the whole vid 😂
Awesome! It really is a game changer!!!! Thanks for watchin!!!
You are too excited over this. You need to calm down.😅
I think all the time away from society, and all the time on the river is turning me feral.... or the wacky rig is just pisin me off🤣🤣🤣 thanks for watchin Josh!!!
Never heard of the double Davy. Great video!
It's as close to life changing as a knot could be in my book! Thanks for watchin!
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Interesting, didn't even know nikko made senkos!
Paint drying/eat lunch/watch Ish...paint drying/eat lunch/watch Ish...I'm noticing a pattern here. Agreed, weightless wacky is a still water technique, and it sucks for covering water/twist. I like it for when I know I'm already on them.
Give the Rage tail senkos a try. The tail gives some added resistance even with a tiny weight. It'll fish Ned or Neko and I think 3" and 4" baits fish better this way. Good little experiment. I hope you pick up a few viewers who are on a wacky kick, to make it worth your troubles...wind knots, respooling, etc, lol.
I almost forgot. The Tactical Bassin guys say ALL of their fluke fish eat the bait head on. If this is the case for Yough Smallies, then the ned/neko make more sense for hookup ratio.
I even do octopus (nose) hooks on my flukes and can throw down to ML.
ahhh, okay that makes sense, and actually may give me the best reason to throw the wacky... Possibly as clean up? like you said your already on them, and say the bite dies off...Switch to the weightless wacky n see if possibly there were a few in the area not willing to eat anything else! Tiff has used the ragetail neds and had good luck with them, never knew they had a full senko with the rage tail. I used to watch tactical bassin all the time, haven't watched them in awhile. Another one that uses a nose hooked fluke is that Josh Chrenko, the owner of Achigan, and if I remember correctly he actually throws the magnum flukes nose hooked. That is something I wanted to try at some point but same with this weightless wacky I feel like I need a little weight, which is where I came up with my finewire 2/0 and 3/0 weighted ewg hooked 1/16oz and 1/8oz. I use them from time to time on a scented jerkshad but never tried about a 5inch. Idk I'm sure at this point I will eventually be trying a little bit of everything. Thanks man!!!
@@fishinwithish yes, cleanup and for lake fishing sometimes I can only get em with a slow fall. I might catch the little one on a jerkbait then nothing...I know they're there, gotta change it up.
If anything, going back to the same places are best when experimenting--basically, I see this as a plus rather than a negative.
Further, you're going on a deep dive with the wacky rig... testing whether you can feel the lure or not aren't going to be the same in a creek/river vs a farm pond--not even in a creek/river in swift water vs slack areas. By trekking up and down the same stretch, you keep the variables accurate from one outing to another.
Also, it says more about catching fish repeatedly in the same area--you could make a big change in tactics that are less effective for catching smallies, however, switching to a better part of the river could still lead to better catches--but again, the change of location could be a greater credit than the tactic. Whereas, better catches in the same area would lead one to think credit should go to the tactic.
I do believe the weightlessness leads to more gut hooks simply based on lack of feel... but I also feel like this affects waders more so than in the kayak or canoe heading down the river... just based on the idea they are floating at a similar pace as the bait is drifting (watching the line is easier when it stops).
Took my kids on a river trip over the summer (we don't live near one) and they killed them on a wacky rig--3" BPS stick-o with a #4 non-weedless VMC Neko (favorite hook style for wacky) on 6 lb. mono. I think the mono helps to keep it off the bottom a bit.
On a trip for myself and father, I would use that same wacky rig and have a Zman TRD ready to go with a nail weight... use the wacky while floating the river and then switch to the TRD as a Neko rig when wading--it helped to make one rod/reel a two bait system without having to retie... also do the FG knot at home but the Alberto on the river if need be.
Really fun series to watch--If I'd been told that several consecutive wacky rig videos would keep my attention, I think I would've been dismissive... but the nuanced differences of each approach have really been interesting!
Yes! This is the kind of comment that makes me feel like my time with this series of videos is time well spent! I feel you 100% understand what I'm trying to do with these tests. I do admit I am accidently introducing variables that shouldn't be a part of some of these tests, but no matter what each day seems to be teaching me something I never thought of.
Like you mentioned, switching locations could have a better result than changing my tactic thus creating a false positive. In my time of fishing, I have found time and time again that location change to find the fish will result in a better day of fishing than any bait change you could ever make. That is actually the main reason the weightless wacky rig just doesn't seem worth being in my bag of tricks when I know a dozen other baits will work just as good with fewer issues.
A weightless wacky bite being detected better while floating actually does make some sense to me, along with using mono also makes sense! (I think someone commented on last video n said they also use mono with weightless wacky rig)
Thanks for the comment! I Also thanks for watching!!!
@@fishinwithish - good stuff man!
For full disclosure, the main reason I gave the weightless wacky to kids is their lack of fishing experience--a bait that wouldn't hang up easily without needing a lip ripping hook set... plus, the smaller 3" one I supplied simply keeps the numbers of fish high to keep them engaged.
When I had it set up for myself, it was just in certain situations rather than my main rig.
I think it's a really good setup for beginners--especially to river fishing. For my boys, I think the Ned rig keeps them hung up and frustrated even though I believe it to be a superior bait.
But weightless is worse for gut hooking--I gave them straight mono so we don't have to deal with another leader knot and they tend to get wind knots.
For me, high vis braid to a leader--weightless river fishing means watching the line like a hawk! The eye picking up on line behavior is the bite detector and it isn't perfect by any means.
I don't buy many true Senkos because they're expensive and not very durable, but it did catch my 2nd largest LMB ever (PB at the time) which was a 9 1/2 pounder in the Shenandoah River--which is where we go for smallies... in fact, I've caught 3 or 4 LMB on that river in the last several years (2 annual trips) because we focus on the faster water for the smallies rather than the slow water where they stay. Weightless with an EWG.
Understand completely. Fishing with children is very different than fishing as an adult. It is absolutely important to keep them engaged and a weightless wacky will certainly do that. It's important to look at these things in a different manner when it comes to children in my opinion. Like you said a ned will just cause issues with children, and I look at it like this, yeah there is some concern with gut hooking them on a weightless wacky, BUT that risk is WAYYY less then handing them a size 4 baithook with a nightcrawler on it... In this case I say weightless wacky is a good move!
I also use high viz braid just like you said, much like fly fishing! A 9.5lb largemouth would more than double my PB largemouth!!!
I use braid on all my bass rods I use a 4/0 bass hook and hook up the worm with a Texas rig seems too hold on when casing far
Yeah, at this point, going back to straight Fluoro was terrible. Braid is superior in pretty much every way in my mind. Yeah, texas rigging a senko is another way to use a senko, but I haven't really tried it in the river, I know it works well in lakes and ponds. 4/0 ewg prolly weighs enough to help feel bites the same as having a 1/16oz wacky hook, and texas rigging a senko will more than likely last longer than a wacky rig, so yeah I see what your saying.
@fishinwithish yeah I've used that in the river all the time gor the smallies depends on the current I have 50lb monofilament attach to the hook with a worn bullet sinker I'll send you Pic of it it works, I really never messed with wakie Riggs to much
Lots of info in this video. Definitely will check out the double davy knot. I have tried the FG knot and now refer to it as the FU knot because while I am floating in my kayak with my phone out watching a you tube video on how to tie it I am saying FU a lot. I have never tried a weightless wacky rig and after watching your series of videos I don’t think I will for two reasons. I don’t like losing that much plastic in the river I fish which already has a lot of people using and leaving behind bits of plastic, hooks, line etc.. The second reason is I don’t want to hook a fish deep in the gullet if possible. I will stick with your EWG ned with your paddle tail swimbaits. I have caught lots of fish on the same swimbait and I end up taking it off before I lose it. My other option is to use a 1/4 or 3/8 oz buzzbait which seems to incite violence in all fish. I don’t even use a steel leader when I am pike fishing because there is enough metal wire in between the hook and line to prevent it being bitten off. Thanks for the video Ish and showing us different techniques. I am always learning something.
Hahaha yes! The FU knot sounds corect to me! I honestly don't think a weightless wacky has a place in my book either for exactly the same reasons you mentioned. I literally have multiple kayak trips with my bed with just about any bait you can think of where I literally come home with the same ned and bait after 8+ hours and seems like 100+ casts. Add on top of that basically almost doubling the amount of gullet/gut hooked fish over r years in one day and I just can't see myself using it weightless. I'm glad to hear you don't need a leader with those pike/musky because I haven't managed to catch any on my buzzbaits yet, but ai was fairly certain you wouldn't need a leader! Thanks Paul!!!
@@fishinwithish tried the double davy knot this morning after watching the video you posted. What an easy knot to tie. Can’t believe it had never come up in my searches for fishing knots. It is also strong because second cast I was deep into a tree and the branch broke off but the knot was good. Thanks Ish.
@pauls3616 I can't believe this knot isn't common knowledge! I haven't met one person that knew about this knot!
Use a ned rig do you know bass eat plastic bead .?
Lol for some reason I don't think you made it through the whole video... l said in the video to just use a nedrig, the whole point of these videos is to figureth3 best way to use wacky/figure out why I would even use one. I think with a little luck a bass would eat pretty much anything if you put in front of their face and give it a wiggle lol
Yes sir I did hear you say a ned rig but you are losing your worm .
Hahaha OK yes, in this video, I was losing it sometimes, but the heatshrink would've helped alot but I forgot to bring extra haha not sure what your trying to tell me lol
Love the Stankos in the weed bag 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 never thought of it that way, that's hilarious 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
well thanks ish,
nobody has ever called me normal before hahahaha
ive been throwing a weightless wacky senko,and agree with you,
in the current it could use a tiny bit of weight.
still have the rod holders for you lol
been using the uni knot for years,
also super fast to tie without looking after you get the hang of it.
🤣 I totally forgot about the rod holders. Do you have a Facebook? That way maybe we can figure out a time/place to meet. I used to use the uni knot along time ago with mono then I tried the improved clinch knot and to me it held more weight than the uni. when I switched to fluoro the improved clinch knot didn't hold good at all so I tried a bunch of different knots and found that as long as you doubled over your line when tying it held strength but was a pain in the ass. So the only single line knot that held good with fluoro was the Palomar but he'll with 3 knots your leader would be gone cause you would have 6" of tag to cut off... once we found the double Davy I haven't looked back and in my eyes is the best knot I have ever heard of.
@@fishinwithishim what you would call "anti" facebook lol
ill have to make a fake rock to put them in and leave them on the trail for you hahaha
@sammydewitt4498 I understand that completely! I have been keeping my phone number out of the publics view, cause believe it or not there are quite a few people who apparently hate what I'm doing on youtube lol. I do check my comments fairly regularly and I have a fairly open schedule, so maybe just send me a comment when/where you would want to meet, or honestly leaving them under a rock and sending me some GPS coordinates would be hilarious and would prolly make for great video content😂😂😂😂
@@fishinwithish hahahaha dude that would be too funny!
now i HAVE to do that :) hahahaha
trying to go tomorrow morning starting from smithton,
if i actually get to go ill pick somewhere not far from where you parked in your last few vids,i know the area well.
Hahaha yes! This is awesome! You can out it anywhere you like, I'll glady go find it!!! I'm excited, kinda reminds me of an Easter egg hunt! 🤣🤣🤣