I suspect that in a society with no pressure, a lot more people would be bi than currently identify that way, but also it feels like the opposite error to say that monosexuality would be nonexistent or even unusual. Especially given that gay and lesbian folks are often under lots of pressure to try hetero relationships and still continue to be gay and lesbian. Presumably some straight folks are just as innately firm in their preferences regardless of social pressure, and it's just harder to tell which ones because straight is a social default.
Yep, that quote sounds, to me, very dismissive of predispositions. I am 100% straight. I have never felt any other way. I am not attracted to men in the least. I tend to go against societal norms and social pressure, but as far as my sexual orientation and sexual desires, i'm pretty much straight and vanilla.
I think you're spot on with the Ellis interpretation. The story is that Onan refused to give his deceased brother an heir by sleeping with his widow. A common interpretation is that Onan was masturbating, but Ellis argues that he actually pulled out instead.
Came here to say this! Glad someone else knows about the latter interpretation (which I learned in a college class on the Hebrew Bible, definitely not in religious school XD). I hope people hear this tidbit and check out the story of Tamar and Judah-I feel like stories like that get glossed over in early religious education (or education on world religion in schools), and a lot of people don't realize the interesting cultural ideas that are in the Bible.
Onan was the younger brother of Er. After Er was killed, according to at least one narrative for refusing to get his wife pregnant, Onan was ordered by their father to take over as her husband (look up "Levirate marriage"), and was killed in turn for refusing to produce a child who would be considered his brother's offspring and not his own, and who if a boy would succeed to Er's place as their father's first-born-son-lineage principle heir which Onan would've otherwise taken over because Er died sonless. Both refused to fulfill family obligations for selfish reasons, one rooted in chauvinism and the other in greed. The whole story is an exercise in multiple forms of problematic male entitlement.
Though Tamar (the women in question) ultimately has the last laugh. Not only does she find a bold way to conceive a child through the family line, she puts the family patriarch in a position of humility. By disguising herself as a prostitute who her father in-law Judah meets in his travels and fails to recognize. The same man who refused his third son to her after the first two died making him think she was cursed. Not only that, but by having Judah pay for her services with his staff, seal and chord she later escapes calls for her execution her actions by confirming he's the father. Thus her twins are allowed his inheritance. A terrific of tales of how a cleaver women turned the sexual tables of power.
The Onan thing is a slightly odd Bible story without the context. Onan was culturally obliged to impregnate his dead elder brothers wife to ensure the wife had an offspring. As a widow would usually be cared for by the kids, no kids would make the widow (Tamar) vulnerable in society with no one to financially look after her. So that's why he was asked to have sex with his dead brothers widow. It is not clear why Onan withdraw and ejaculated on the ground. Possibly he we protesting the practice, possibly he just didn't want his sister in law to have a kid and gain the inheritance rights of his dead elder brother. Or maybe another reason. But for a long time this story was misapplied to masturbation with a big focus on wasting the "seed" or possibly using contraception. But almost universally modern scholars (including the quote read out) agree the story is about disobeying cultural obligations and a father's instructions. An action that would have lead to widow being made more vulnerable within an already unequal society.
Not to mention that he's having sex with her under false pretenses and without the social blessing of getting an heir for his brother. Certainly a form of sexual assault by modern standards, but I do wonder if it might have been considered that at the time too, since the only reason it was allowed was for procreation.
Love the video Hannah! Especially loved the quotes by Charlotte Wolff! Obviously menstruation doesn't increase your risk of developing psychiatric conditions, but there is a growing body of evidence that suggests some patients experience fluctuations in psychiatric symptoms during their cycle. Childbirth and menopause do, though, increase your risk of developing certain psychiatric conditions, including depression and anxiety disorders, and psychosis with regards to the perinatal period.
I always thought the Yale ladies end to end was a joke, expecting the quote to go: “laid end to end would wrap around the earth 3 times” or some other impressive measurement of length but instead saying “no one would be surprised” as an unexpected ending and sexual innuendo 😂
In earlier uses, the term ’bisexuality’ meant a form of gender non-conformity rather than a sexuality. It meant something along the lines of both sexes/lack thereof; probably why she mentioned gender instead of sexuality on the quote.
The bible story of Onan is about pulling out - he didn't want to get a ledy pregnant, and God was upset about it. Somehow somewhere in history the meaning changed to masturbation. Possibly in the ongoing process of using shame as power tool in catholic church ;) And that's what quote must refer to - that we misuse Onan name, since he wasn't really masturbating. This is a super cool idea for a livestream, as it would allow more discussion arund the quotes!
Most biblical scholars agree onan was I'm using the pull out method or coitus interruptus and not masturbation. In fact, the Bible says nothing about masturbation.
The comment on Oman, I believe, is referencing when he refused to have a child with his wife, and essentially pulled out- "spilling his seed upon the floor". The quote appears to be correcting a misnomer that it refers to masturbation, when it is essentially referring to pulling out.
Lol. Okay, so Onan is part of the story of Judah and Tamar. Tamar was married to Judah's eldest son, he died without having kids, so Onan was supposed to help her conceive a son in his brother's name, but because it would technically be his brother's child and not his, Onan didn't want to father any children by Tamar so whenever they had sex he would pull out. The specific wording used (at least in the NIV) was "spilled his seed on the ground. God basically was like, "Dude, you're the worst" and killed him. And then Judah's next youngest son did the exact same thing. So he died too. A story conveniently forgotten by Henry VIII when he was a divorce...
Would anyone happen to have some book recommendations they'd be willing to share? I'm looking for books exploring anything under the umbrella of love, sex/sexuality, related ethics and philosophy, masculinity, etc., from feminist and sex positive perspectives. The Will to Change and All About Love by Bell Hooks are two examples. If you've got suggestions I'd love to hear them!
I feel like if there were no gender expectations placed on kids, then yeah they probably would be bi or another term for those attracted to multiple genders. If it wasn’t classified as good or bad to like any particular gender I think kids would grow up liking people based on who they are actually attracted to and not the gender society tells them to be attracted to (people who don’t experience attraction are also valid and should not be criticized or called weird). I think parents should teach kids about different gender and sexualities but not place emphasis on one or another and allow the child to figure out who they are on their own, while also making it clear to care and are there to answer any questions to the best of your ability.
And nope, don't agree with Charlotte about bisexuality. Yes, women are more likely to be attracted to multiple gender but I think sexuality is fluid, what is true for someone at one point in time may not be true at another. I understand that Charlotte might be saying that, without prejudice we would be free to love whomever but by saying no woman wouldn be heterosexual is then erasing heterosexuality. Which in and of itself is restricting.
Love your videos and content, but I don't like hearing literature about sexuality. It's fluid and dynamic - changes constantly. It should be from a professional with the times.
The bisexuality quote from Dr Charlotte Wolff (1971) is interesting as 'bisexual' was also often used to refer to androgyny up until the mid/late 70s
I suspect that in a society with no pressure, a lot more people would be bi than currently identify that way, but also it feels like the opposite error to say that monosexuality would be nonexistent or even unusual. Especially given that gay and lesbian folks are often under lots of pressure to try hetero relationships and still continue to be gay and lesbian. Presumably some straight folks are just as innately firm in their preferences regardless of social pressure, and it's just harder to tell which ones because straight is a social default.
Yep, that quote sounds, to me, very dismissive of predispositions.
I am 100% straight. I have never felt any other way. I am not attracted to men in the least. I tend to go against societal norms and social pressure, but as far as my sexual orientation and sexual desires, i'm pretty much straight and vanilla.
I think you're spot on with the Ellis interpretation. The story is that Onan refused to give his deceased brother an heir by sleeping with his widow. A common interpretation is that Onan was masturbating, but Ellis argues that he actually pulled out instead.
Of course since the invention IVF, masturbating now enables one to help someone conceive a child without having to sleep with them. Oh the irony.
Came here to say this! Glad someone else knows about the latter interpretation (which I learned in a college class on the Hebrew Bible, definitely not in religious school XD). I hope people hear this tidbit and check out the story of Tamar and Judah-I feel like stories like that get glossed over in early religious education (or education on world religion in schools), and a lot of people don't realize the interesting cultural ideas that are in the Bible.
Onan was the younger brother of Er. After Er was killed, according to at least one narrative for refusing to get his wife pregnant, Onan was ordered by their father to take over as her husband (look up "Levirate marriage"), and was killed in turn for refusing to produce a child who would be considered his brother's offspring and not his own, and who if a boy would succeed to Er's place as their father's first-born-son-lineage principle heir which Onan would've otherwise taken over because Er died sonless. Both refused to fulfill family obligations for selfish reasons, one rooted in chauvinism and the other in greed. The whole story is an exercise in multiple forms of problematic male entitlement.
Though Tamar (the women in question) ultimately has the last laugh. Not only does she find a bold way to conceive a child through the family line, she puts the family patriarch in a position of humility. By disguising herself as a prostitute who her father in-law Judah meets in his travels and fails to recognize. The same man who refused his third son to her after the first two died making him think she was cursed. Not only that, but by having Judah pay for her services with his staff, seal and chord she later escapes calls for her execution her actions by confirming he's the father. Thus her twins are allowed his inheritance. A terrific of tales of how a cleaver women turned the sexual tables of power.
The Onan thing is a slightly odd Bible story without the context. Onan was culturally obliged to impregnate his dead elder brothers wife to ensure the wife had an offspring. As a widow would usually be cared for by the kids, no kids would make the widow (Tamar) vulnerable in society with no one to financially look after her. So that's why he was asked to have sex with his dead brothers widow. It is not clear why Onan withdraw and ejaculated on the ground. Possibly he we protesting the practice, possibly he just didn't want his sister in law to have a kid and gain the inheritance rights of his dead elder brother. Or maybe another reason. But for a long time this story was misapplied to masturbation with a big focus on wasting the "seed" or possibly using contraception. But almost universally modern scholars (including the quote read out) agree the story is about disobeying cultural obligations and a father's instructions. An action that would have lead to widow being made more vulnerable within an already unequal society.
Thank you Gareth!!
Not to mention that he's having sex with her under false pretenses and without the social blessing of getting an heir for his brother. Certainly a form of sexual assault by modern standards, but I do wonder if it might have been considered that at the time too, since the only reason it was allowed was for procreation.
That last quote, us Asexual's would like to have a word.
After that we are all invading, eh-hum, I mean migrating to Denmark.
I'd love a whole video of your take on the sexual nonsense chapter :)
Love the video Hannah! Especially loved the quotes by Charlotte Wolff!
Obviously menstruation doesn't increase your risk of developing psychiatric conditions, but there is a growing body of evidence that suggests some patients experience fluctuations in psychiatric symptoms during their cycle. Childbirth and menopause do, though, increase your risk of developing certain psychiatric conditions, including depression and anxiety disorders, and psychosis with regards to the perinatal period.
Hi! this includes me, diagnosed with pnd, now, 8 years on, diagnosed with recurrent mdd.
@@piddlydiddly I’m sorry to hear this, but I hope that whatever treatment plan you have is working for you.
Can agree bi erasure causes headaches 😂
love this! more story times with hannah please!
I always thought the Yale ladies end to end was a joke, expecting the quote to go: “laid end to end would wrap around the earth 3 times” or some other impressive measurement of length but instead saying “no one would be surprised” as an unexpected ending and sexual innuendo 😂
That's what i thought.
That Charlotte Wolf sounds amazing, I mostly agree with the bisexuality quote
Thus denying the existence of predisposition towards homosexuality as well as heterosexuality.
Philosophy Sex and Quotes?! This is my fav video of the week
Shocked and appalled that that Freud quote was actually kinda...reasonable? 😂
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
“Philosophy and erections” is the best summary of greek life I’ve heard
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More of this book please 😄 with maybe deep dive?
This makes me really want to read a book about Philosophy and sex
In earlier uses, the term ’bisexuality’ meant a form of gender non-conformity rather than a sexuality. It meant something along the lines of both sexes/lack thereof; probably why she mentioned gender instead of sexuality on the quote.
The bible story of Onan is about pulling out - he didn't want to get a ledy pregnant, and God was upset about it. Somehow somewhere in history the meaning changed to masturbation. Possibly in the ongoing process of using shame as power tool in catholic church ;)
And that's what quote must refer to - that we misuse Onan name, since he wasn't really masturbating.
This is a super cool idea for a livestream, as it would allow more discussion arund the quotes!
'To masturbate' in Swedish is 'onanera', had no idea the etymology was biblical but I guess it must be?
Most biblical scholars agree onan was I'm using the pull out method or coitus interruptus and not masturbation. In fact, the Bible says nothing about masturbation.
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omg this is a great way to read books😂 i love this video! would totally watch more of the same sillyness
This was a lot of fun!
love your videos Hannah :) you're always able to brighten my day
The Aristotle quote remindes me that the Romans believed onions and garlic to be THE best aphrodisiacs :D
Oh well I eat onions and garlic in pretty much every dinner!
That was a lot of fun!
LOVE for Charlotte Wolff!
hannah is there exclusive content on your patreon, videos and photos that are not on your social networks?
The moment the words "Sexual Nonsense" were spoken, a video recommendation popped up: Weighing my boobs!
Please tell me that wasn't deliberate 😂
The comment on Oman, I believe, is referencing when he refused to have a child with his wife, and essentially pulled out- "spilling his seed upon the floor".
The quote appears to be correcting a misnomer that it refers to masturbation, when it is essentially referring to pulling out.
His dead brother's wife. He was supposed to be helping his brother produce an heir.
@@photosinensis Ahh thanks for the clarification!
Lol. Okay, so Onan is part of the story of Judah and Tamar. Tamar was married to Judah's eldest son, he died without having kids, so Onan was supposed to help her conceive a son in his brother's name, but because it would technically be his brother's child and not his, Onan didn't want to father any children by Tamar so whenever they had sex he would pull out. The specific wording used (at least in the NIV) was "spilled his seed on the ground. God basically was like, "Dude, you're the worst" and killed him. And then Judah's next youngest son did the exact same thing. So he died too. A story conveniently forgotten by Henry VIII when he was a divorce...
Loved this video!!
Would anyone happen to have some book recommendations they'd be willing to share? I'm looking for books exploring anything under the umbrella of love, sex/sexuality, related ethics and philosophy, masculinity, etc., from feminist and sex positive perspectives. The Will to Change and All About Love by Bell Hooks are two examples. If you've got suggestions I'd love to hear them!
I feel like if there were no gender expectations placed on kids, then yeah they probably would be bi or another term for those attracted to multiple genders. If it wasn’t classified as good or bad to like any particular gender I think kids would grow up liking people based on who they are actually attracted to and not the gender society tells them to be attracted to (people who don’t experience attraction are also valid and should not be criticized or called weird). I think parents should teach kids about different gender and sexualities but not place emphasis on one or another and allow the child to figure out who they are on their own, while also making it clear to care and are there to answer any questions to the best of your ability.
The swag of Aristotle 😂😂😂 btw Happy Halloween Hannah 🎃🖤🎃
Loved it!
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Hilarious, what a great book 🤣🤣🤣
It could have meant that all freckled-foreheaded ladies have boys, but that doesn't mean non-freckled ones have girls!
Plot twist: Aristotle was actually a virgin. lol
😂😂😂 oh this was funny
And nope, don't agree with Charlotte about bisexuality. Yes, women are more likely to be attracted to multiple gender but I think sexuality is fluid, what is true for someone at one point in time may not be true at another.
I understand that Charlotte might be saying that, without prejudice we would be free to love whomever but by saying no woman wouldn be heterosexual is then erasing heterosexuality. Which in and of itself is restricting.
hannah you sound like #nicolacain the way you speak can you do a music vlog about pop music
Love your videos and content, but I don't like hearing literature about sexuality. It's fluid and dynamic - changes constantly. It should be from a professional with the times.
Please make Breastfeeding vlogs.
Philosophy Sex and Quotes?! This is my fav video of the week
Hehe thanks!