I find many unique units are like though. Huskarls/Woad Raiders are the anti anti-infantry infantry, nullifying benefits of range. Likewise with axemen, allowing focus-fire and less pathfinding. Longbows' tiny extended range makes it stand up to more things than arbs. Janissaries remove many weaknesses of hand cannoneers, etc.
Huskarls are anti-archer infantry, Woad raiders are fast infantry, Longbows are just archers with a very high range. Jaguar warriors are anti-infantry infantry. I kinda like Samurai, though. Anti-special unit infantry.
My God, you have it down wrong. After the Qin dynasty which was "oppressive" or otherwise draconian in governance, the Han predicated their rule on being the opposite of the Qin, Confucian thought was the answer to Qin's Legalism.
Ao Chen You do realize, though very educational and informative and for that I am grateful, it doesn't mean Confucian thought "prohibits free thinking". During Confucius's lifetime because of the wars and lack of morality, he formulated his thoughts and it was compiled into the teaching as during the Han dynasty and subsequent dynasties. I personally do not view the Qin dynasty as oppressive but my ancestors gave way to the Han and propagated what they did. It's not in my place to criticize them for it.
Actually the +5 HP on the elite Chu Ko Nu is pretty useful against Paladins, who after all upgrades are doing 15 damage per hit. They can kill a regular Chu ko Nu with 3 hits, but an elite one survives that with 5 HP and needs to be hit one additional time. So against Paladins they effectively last 33% longer.
13:26 Reloads start after the last projectile is fired. The chu ko nu has a 3 frame delay for each arrow, so the elite chu ko nu has to wait an extra 6 frames before its reload starts. Most archers only have to wait around 3 frames before their reload starts so this means chu ko nu's benefit less from reload time reductions. To balance this thumb ring actually reduces the reload time of the chu ko nu by 20%, rather than 15% like all other archer units.
I feel like the Chinese true purpose is to be a fairly well-rounded civ with a devastating end game. I don't know about anyone else, but massed Chu Ko Nus make me cry.
Massed Chu Ko Nu has absolutely ZERO counterplay, since they strike so hard and so fast. They can easily fight off each and every traditional method to counter archers, ie, siege and cavalry, and for Goths, Huskarls.
I don’t know if you were joking but in AoE you have plenty of archers that cost you food, not to mention many military units could theoretically use their weapons to hunt too
I get more and more appreciation of AOE the more I learn about history. I've only recently figured out that Chu Ko Nu = Zhuge Nu = Zhuge Liang's Repeating Crossbow. What amazing history has been gifted to us since the 1990s from this franchise!
Great video, my friend. Also, the info. on the fall of the Byzantine Empire was so funny! LOL! Chinese and Saracens, Best Buddies 4 ever xD. Also, thanks for not forgetting the joke from the Franks' Overview xD. Well, I hope the next civ to be "scanned" is the Malians... or the Portuguese if you like them better. Keep up the good work!
I think he said he'd been going to do all of the Age of Kings and forgotten civilizations (so only Aztecs left) and then redo the older ones. Not sure though
I second a lot of this, especially the gates comment. Props and thanks for putting in that extra cherry on top info. The tests you run are so thorough and well thought out and interpreted, it's easy to underestimate the amount of time required to make these videos and the script you write for it. Thanks as always and phenomenal job. I don't even really play this game anymore, but I watch every video.
I think Aztecs would be a better choice, since they're a bit divided: best monks and infantry on one hand, and worst navy and no cavalry on the other... Agree withat everything else though!
Personally, I think that Aztecs would make a better choice, since they're basically the opposite of the Chinese, being very specialized rather than generalist. They have the best infantry and monks, but the worst navy and no cavalry. Agree with everything else you said though!
Well, they'd actually have all techs (and some more Unique Techs) and OP bonuses if AoE2 was historically correct... so yeah. Fortunately for us, the devs made the game balanced.
although the chinese did invent gunpowder, they were far behind in the *firearm* race compared to Europeans. They didn't weaponise it anywhere near as effectively as others did. I actually agree with them not having hand canoneers. Bear in mind that AOE2 is set the middle ages and China wasn't doing a whole lot of shooting around then. (they did try some innovative stuff like rockets, but ultimately, it was Europe that made the gun work).
@Jakub Bończak I don't claim the game is perfect, I just said I could justify why the Chinese don't have this particular unit. I think the reason the Japanese have hand canoneers and the Chinese don't is because of the Sengoku Jidai. The Japanese importing guns is a well known thing, whereas the Ming dynasty (the only possible candidate for 'China' in this game) was a pacifist turtle by comparison that had no reason to figure out how to most effectively weaponise it's own creation. (Who the hell would attack a stable, prosperous China, right?) Meanwhile, the Japanese are importing guns like crazy. I think that's why, but I don't claim it to be a perfect line of reasoning.
Different daimyo clans adopted 16th century matchlocks and cannons (since the 1540s), then made copies of them (supposedly 300,000 + manufactured in a decade, & prevalent in battle during the 1560s). Famous cavalry vs firearms battles occured between the Takeda and Oda. Even the naginata-wielding sohei had them in numbers sufficient to defend Osaka castle from a three-year samurai siege.
i agree that the idea wasn't so much they didn't have it but that they neither weaponised it fully nor used it significantly in warfare...the main firearm in aoe2 was the arquebus which of course saw wide usage first among the Turkish Jannisaries..This wasn't the weapon the Chinese had and in fact was brought back to China in an ironic turn of events that was recognised by Chinese themselves...AoE2 did give the Chinese chemistry, bombard cannons, as well as the rocketry bonus...so it sat well with me!
@jabloko992 >" I actually agree with them not having hand canoneers" The Chinese actually had hand cannons a century before any European state did. Arguing about the effectiveness of one side over the other is moot considering how hand cannons were essentially inaccurate shotguns. And even in later centuries, the Chinese continued to develop their firearm technology by adopting arquebuses and muskets from foreign countries; adapting them to suit their needs. European firearm technology would finally outpace all others with the coming of the Industrial Revolution. > "whereas the Ming dynasty... was a pacifist turtle by comparison that had no reason to figure out how to most effectively weaponise it's own creation" Where do you get this idea that the Ming were pacifist? They held campaigns in the north against the Mongols and Jurchen and in the south they expanded into Yunnan and occupied Vietnam. They also went to war against Japan to defend their vassal state of Korea in the late 1500s. The Ming were far from pacifist; by their nature as an empire, they were imperialist. Also as I stated above, they willingly adopted foreign firearms they saw as superior. An early 17th century Ming military manual called "Wubei Zhi" is proof of this, showing drawings of and evaluations of foreign firearms from the Portuguese, Vietnamese, and Ottomans. In addition, there are multiple illustrations of indigenous innovations existing firearm designs. The idea that Europeans were the only ones that made the gun "work" is just ignoring the histories of other non-European states that utilized gunpowder. Yes, European states did eventually dominate the world with their firearm technology but that only occurred with the Industrial Revolution.
One day I did a 60 full Chu Ko Nu upgraded attack (only chu ko nu) and it's pretty OP. One wall gate was destroyed with 3 or 4 volley's and the houes in 2 and the rest of buildings were destroyed with 2-7 volley's with all units attacking at the same time of course. I was like wow :000
Hi Spirit, I just want you to let you know, albeit I don't really play this game more often then maybe once every few month (albeit I played it pretty much my entire childhood), I really really enjoy your videos. They are so relaxing and are the icing on the cake on a sunday! Keep up the good work!
These are legitimate units in AoE2: Anti Anti-Archer Archer (Chu Ko Nu), an Anti Anti-Infantry Infantry (Huskarl) and an Anti Anti-Cavalry Cavalry (Cataphract). Are there any more? Anti Anti-Navy Navy? Anti Anti-Siege Siege?
0010 Ammar Faris A. The turtle ship is great against fire ships which are an anti navy navy. The turtle ships are actually an anti anti-ship ship. Also with siege I reckon that Celtic mass onagers is anti everything. Or Korean mass onagers and scorpions with extra range. I can beat the hard AI as of recently but I doubt I can beat the hardest and there SotL beating the extreme.
Chinese are great for coastal maps and maps with water close to spawn such as island, even though they have no great strategy bonus for naval gameplay, the extra villagers mean you can start collecting wood earlier and get a greater boost in fishing ship production.
3:19 In the new expansion, houses only cost 25 wood, so now Chinese can get away with two houses right off the bat, have 20 population space all at once!
They still do pierce damage, but units coded to take more melee damage (like rams) take more damage from chu ko nu. The mainreason they are better against units with high pierce armor is because their extra arrows end up doing 1 damage each and total 3 or 5 versus 1 for regular archers.
Kxoe559 This is obviously not true. I tested that (in HD version, in which rams have exactly 0 melee armor) and a siege ram took 3 damage per arrow from regular chu ko nu.
Chinese is overall a good civ, they can pretty much do any strategy, and as a nomad and arena player they are fucking great. I think is time to review the aztecs, one of the strongest or maybe the strongest civ in the game at least in 1v1. And very strong in TG if played as flank.
Hi Spirit! I have found your channel month ago or something and managed to catch up with all your videos just in time for some demo ships action. Also because of you I'm now really into composing and playing some AoE II again. I had such a flashback when I've been watching your first video, AoE was like 70% of my entire childhood. I'm really looking forward to learning how to PvP and maybe playing some games with you If I won't be very bad at AoE. Keep up the good work and greetings from Poland. :)
On the Chinese start: it seems like a definite (if a little modest) plus, though I can see why people and Spirit are ambivalent. The +5 LOS in HD definitely helps it out. I think where things go wrong is that most strats online just suggest a standard 6 sheep, then wood as a start order and don't call out the Chinese as an exception. Problem is, 6 sheep is too little to sustain villager production. You gather slightly less than 50 food in 25 seconds, and when you factor in villager walk time to the next sheep, you'll be losing a few seconds at almost every villager until boars/berries, which can squander most of your time advantage. Other civs have a 200 food buffer (150 for Mayans) that lasts them long enough until they're also gathering berries or boar. I'm no expert, but I find putting 7th on sheep, and then either 8 pulling boar or putting 8-9 on berries works well for the Chinese (though your lumberjacks have to spend a lot of time on stragglers with the early-berry route). With the +5 LOS you're basically guaranteed a consistent sheep start (at game load, press comma to select your scout and click on the sheep so you get them asap; your TC is guaranteed to have idle time so you don't have to click that loom button immediately, just in the first 25 seconds) and I find I can start a 7th at ~1m, which puts you at ~15 seconds ahead of other civs' 7th, plus an additional 25 seconds from loom. Importantly, with constant villager production, you're basically ahead of other civs by 1/2 a villager, which I believe works out to mean ~100 add'l resources (assuming ~20 wood/minute and spread out over a ~10 minute dark age). Minus the 20 wood and 50 food you're down, and you're still in a net gain resource-wise, plus you're time-wise ahead of everyone else. Plus, when other civs end up researching loom (which typically may be halfway into dark or at the end of dark), you gain a further edge in net resource gathering since you'l then be a full villager and a half ahead, which will pay dividends over time (assuming constant villager production). Compared to Mayans, the Chinese will still be ahead 1/2 a villager assuming starting a 7th by ~1m (during which Mayans are still producing a 6th), though both civs have to start with loom, so there's no further bump ahead of the Mayans. So the Chinese will still realize a net resource/time advantage over the Mayans, though it's more limited. (But, the Mayans have the 20% [15% in expansions] longer resources, which gives them an arguably strong advantage over the Chinese dark age.) Note that in addition to being good at Nomad, the Chinese start is probably great in regicide. Regicide gives you extra resources, which means the Chinese *can* maintain constant villager production from the get-go, which means they will perpetually be ahead three full villagers against other civs (two against Mayans). The full impact of that is a bit muted, though, because everyone starts with 9 vills, so having +3 is proportionally less than in the standard scenario (where you're doubling your starting villagers).
3 extra villagers is still huge on Regicide, since the value of villagers early game is soo high, and those 3 extra most likely will gain many more resources without as much cost invested into them.
IRL, Mongols did beat China, a divided China. Tbh, a main reason why the mongol horde was invincible was that civs around that era were particularly weak at the time, especially China. Just play the Mongol Campaign, there were at least like four different nomadic regimes in Northern China at that time, notably the Jurchens who controlled areas such as Beijing, and the Chinese Song Dynasty, which was the most advanced civ in the world at that time only controlled Southern China, and were sworn enemies with the north, which was already under nomadic control. The mongols took advantage of this divide and with smart diplomacy, they allied with the Chinese and conquered the entire Northern China. The Song was extremely weak in military terms at that time, with no access to horses (which were only available in then north). The mongols quickly adopted Chinese and arab technologies and recruited soldiers from across the continent. With superior numbers and a wealth of technologies, the mongols finally conquered China in 1279, noted that most of the other civs the mongols encountered were already defeated, making the Chinese the longest lasting civ to stand against the mongol horde, despite of them losing much of their power earlier on due to civil war, mainly thanks to their navy and gunpowder units. Funny though, in the mongol campaign, they actually stole the bombard cannon tech from the Chinese yet neither the Chinese nor mongols receive that technology in game.
You described why Alexander the Great was far greater than Chinggis Khan. Chinggis couldn't take down a DIVIDED China. He needed Kublai to finish the job. Alexander, on the other hand, IN A FEW YEARS took down A UNITED PERSIAN EMPIRE, a bigger polity than ANY the Mongols EVER took down, and he always led his men. The greatest European in military history is greater than the greatest Asian in military history.
@@scintillam_dei Well Alexander never took breaks which inevitably led to his death ALSO he was taught in schools and learned while GENGHIS khan grew up in tribes and had to overcome hardships so he had limits soooo idk who is smarter also sun tzu is smarter than Alexander get your facts right
@@scintillam_dei, While Alexander was a better military leader, both men were setting out to conquer an empire and in that regard Genghis Khan has the definite edge. Alexander made the bigger empire faster, true, but it completely failed to outlive him. Within a few years of his death his empire had crumbled and four much weaker states rose in its place, all of which also fell before very long. The Mongols on the other hand did much better. Not only did the empire survive the death of its founder but it even grew to be bigger than Alexander’s. When it did collapse into smaller states, those states lasted for centuries before they finally fell. Also worth mentioning is that Alexander’s conquest was only possible because his father had laid the groundwork for it by uniting his homeland. Temujin had to unite Mongolia first before he set out on his conquests. He was also just the son of a blacksmith and worked his way up from there, whereas Alexander was born a prince and raised for conquest. If the two were to campaign against each other, Alexander would likely win, but comparing their respective achievements within their context, Genghis Khan was the greater leader. Final note, both men were monsters who lost no sleep over butchering countless innocent people. Their intelligence and skill is to be admired but the men themselves are to be reviled.
Here's my thoughts for a possible new Southern Chinese civ: Infantry and Gunpowder civ. Start with two extra villagers but minus 100 food. Hand Cannoneers receive +10% speed boost. Petards gain +20 HP and +20 bonus damage against cavalry units. The cost of researching Conscription and Chemistry is reduced by 50%. Unique Units: Zhijia Firelancer, a flamethrowing infantry with a high pierce armor, has the same attack and range as the Fire Ship, good against siege units and buildings. Second Unique Unit: Zhanmadao, a heavy melee infantry wielding the Chinese polearm Zhanmadao, very good against cavalry.
Great video as always, but please stop being so mean to the Saracens :( I was so happy for them when I heard "Is this the moment for the Saracens' team bonus to shine? Well yes, it is!" at 12:36, but felt so sad when I saw that disappointed Mameluke at 14:36 saying that they did so well at the Chu Ko Nu-part but failed when it came to scorpions, even though you made me laugh at 16:00... but Saracens have to be quite salty. PS: I did a test about something that might seem obvious, but is worth pointing out: Their cheaper tech advantage also helps out at the technology "Spies" and the cost is 160 gold for every villager, not 200, wich adds up, of course. On the other hand, if you play regicide, the 400 gold cost to reveal all enemy kings remains and doesn't change to 320 or something. Have a nice day
You made me realise the gate having 4 tiles, still has lower hitpoints per tile compared to a single wall that covers one tile. So it's really good to place 3 single walls behind a gate only letting one tile open to use the gate. That will make that one tile count as a lot more hitpoints through the gate.
Yes :( Probably a good thing, but I would love to play a historically correct version of it, just to test it once If AoE2 as historically correct, Spanish would get extra gold every time they kill a meso-american unit
Koreans were basically their protectorate, and the Mongols hired their own Chinese engineers. Also, the Song dynasty was heavily corrupt and got invaded from the north by the Jin and Xi Xia(aka Tunguts), so thye'd have lost to them anyway. The Mongols just took them out one by one, allying with the Song to fool them into thinking that the Mongols won't invade. It was a brilliant plan. Shame that Genghis died during it though.
That may be true, my point was that they were not an unbeatable civilization in real life. They were powerful of course, and had good technological advancements for the time, but they still were defeated a few times.
What I love most about the chinese is that you can mass 1 type of unit (chu ko nu) and just walk over any army combination that doesn't include onagers.
I just stumbled upon your videos here I must say, I had never considered all this information about the various nations before and Ive been playing this game since I was a child I am quite impressed with the amount of information you have collected
Yizhen OuO Brother, you are forgetting tuntian and that our farmers still need to rotate crops based on the seasons to survive.... Rice isn't a cure all solution for seasonal agriculture supplying ye know. We also did use crop rotation... not as "elaborate" as the more now commonly used 4 rotating method, but the 2 and 3 rotating method sure
Actually, crop rotation in AoE2 refers to a specific 4 crop rotation invented by the Belgians. It was vitally important for British progression, odd Britons do not get it. Other earlier crop rotations obviously happened- this was just a magic formula for European crops. It is like block printing refers to the printing press vital for spreading religious texts, ie the bible, which was the real progression over simply the technology.
I find it odd that you had the Missing Hussar as a negative, as the upgrade is rarely worth the gold cost. The fact that the Chinese light cavalry has full upgrades puts it ahead of any cavalry civ that has hussars without full upgrades, including the Mongols.
8:30 Secondary projectiles use their own stats rather than the unit's stats. The Chu Ku No's secondary arrows have 85 accuracy, which is the same as the Chu Ko Nu's base accuracy. However thumb ring (and most other archer techs) applies changes to units not arrows, so the secondary projectiles keep their 85 accuracy even after thumb ring.
"One weird thing I noticed is that the Chinese gates survived longer than the walls, while the opposite was true for the Byzantines" That's not a bug, that's a feature
the idea that the Chu Ko Nu was made in the three kingdoms era is incorrect, with most of the blame being laid on the name. Just because it is one of the names for the repeating crossbow (the other, more common phrase being Lian Nu) doesn't mean it originates in the Three Kingdoms era.
BTW, SotL, Masonry and Architecture are not applied to Walls and Gates. This is why their walls are weaker than Byzantines but their towers (Keeps especially) have tons of HP thanks to those two techs.
i just discovered all your videos. When I am done with my thesis i really need to start play this damn game again. Such great videos. Thanks man! :) Btw: Is your name a Montesquieu reference? :D
this video is over 20 minutes long and released 6 minutes ago so people are liking it before they see it support for the channel is great and all but i think rating someting before knowing what it is kinda makes the whole rating deal pointless
Well, considering that the user can NOT see the up / down ratings of a video BEFORE clicking and watching the video, I am pretty sure the liking system is not made to let people know if something is good or not. It is made for Google to know what things are popular, so they can put them higher on their search list. So, with that in mind, it makes perfect sense to rate the video before watching it, since, with your vote, what you are saying is not "this video is good" but "I think more people should know about Spirit". And I already know that more people should know about him, even before watching this video, so liking the video as soon as I open it is only natural for me.
@@yizhenji5564 That isn't the point, they have more health and do more damage, they are meant to reasonably kill an archer force of equal cost though. Having said that, it is a unique unit.
To be fair, if it was historically accurate, there would be no point in playing as most civs outside of Europe, Asia and the middle East... I mean the Aztecs and Mayans among others hadn't even discovered metal yet.
So no siege, nothing bast archer or militia, and still no cavalry, missing a decent number of eco upgrades, lost a lot of university and monastery upgrades... seems balanced.
Agreed. Accuracy would involve no units for Aztecs except Jaguar and Eagle Warriors, and Monks. Chinese would basically be both Byzantines and Turks simultaneously, and slaughter all other civs.
You are right in the mention of the Aztec's only usable units, however I am inclined to disagree with the Chinese would "slaughter all other civs". First off, the Mongols were far superior to the Chinese, due to their sheer number and training (Why did China bother building that wall?). Also many European civs would have beaten the Chinese if at war, not to mention that civs like the Britons, Italians, Spanish and Portuguese had far greater warships and tactics. As a side note, China were very technologically advanced at the time, but come the 19th century, with Britain leading an industrial revolution, Europe rose swiftly ahead.
They actually did slaughter any neighbouring nation, just look at the map, China is immense, i don't think that they conquered all that territory with tea and origamis. The wall was built 1400 years before the arrival of the Mongols. The game ranges from 5th century AD to 16th century AD, so there is no point talking about 19th century. If it was historically correct, chinese troops would have much lesser armor than the european armies, why bother with armor when you can drown your enemies under a rain of arrows? Sadly it's not how it works in Age of Empires.
I concede that the Mongols beat the Chinese, my mistake. However, compared to European and Middle East powers from the 5th to 16th century, China had far more advanced weaponry, far larger armies and warships, and a far wealthier economy. Basically, in a historically accurate game, the Chinese would start already in Castle Age, since they didn't suffer a catastrophe like the fall of Rome in the West.
The 1453 siege of Constantinople was thanks to one of the largest cannons ever created by humans, Basilica. "I can cast a cannon of bronze with the capacity of the stone you want. I have examined the walls of the city in great detail. I can shatter to dust not only these walls with the stones from my gun, but the very walls of Babylon itself." -Orban, Hungarian siege engineer
Spirit Of The Law In your first farm chart you accounted crop rotation + the team bonus for the Chinese but they don't get crop rotation :p ( I know I am a little late to the party)
Wow look at that description... man you put to much work into your vids we dont deserve this kind of quality i really admire you thanks for the videos we have and the videos we are about to have god bless you.
İt isn't true information in 16:03. References:Prof. dr. Halil İnalcık Devlet-i Aliyye(Ottoman Empire's original name),Prof.dr. Erhan Afyoncu Sorularla Osmanlı(Ottoman) İmparatorluğu,Ord. Prof. İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı Osmanlı Tarihi. This person is the greatest Ottoman historian.
I don't really have a horse in this fight and have any strong opinions about it, but I remember coming across a discussion about how the events are presented differently in Turkey: www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3zvjhp/open_gate_in_fall_of_constantinople/
This rumour was written by Doukas and it is contradict other historian.Turks went the city in near Topkapı.This area's name Top Yıkığu Mahallesi(Cannon rundown neighborhood).en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doukas_(historian)
Either way it is impossible to prove or disprove your point. It happen 600 years ago and why does it matter. I'm also more likely to believe something published by the Oxford university press. Than a potential bias nationalist. No offense
Thanks for another great overview. I'm back to regularly playing this game after several years, thanks in no small part to your channel. Now, if you are taking suggestions for future videos... This is probably not enough for a video of its own, but it would be nice to see an in-depth, mathematical analysis of the Scout line, such as when/if it is worth to spend the resources for upgrading to hussar. I've always felt the gold cost is too high for the benefits most of the time, and I tend to use it a lot less than other players on my level, only upgrading when I expect a fairly long game in which I will be making a LOT of light cavalry (though I do it considerably more often with mongols). I take this approach based solely on experience and intuition, and I know there is a lot of subjectivity to it, but it would be great to see if that holds up in a more objective evaluation, such as the ones you make.
I agree with you. Unless I'm mistaken, the only "hard" stats the Hussar upgrade makes are to HP, although it might boost line of sight and speed a bit as well, I'm still not sure the 600 gold is worth it. Considering SoTL made two "Is the Paladin Upgrade Worth it" videos, I can see this as a topic he'd approach. :)
Check out Spirit's 'Is the Paladin Upgrade Worth it?" videos, and perform a similar calculation. In theory, they get an average of about 8% overall improvement. Check my math. Assuming the gold is worth post imperial market values, there would be a total 4786 food's worth investment for the tech. Then we solve the system of equations: 1.08x = x + 60, Where x is the relative power of each unit and y is the number of units one could produce. I get an X value of 748, and putting that into the equation, i get a y value of 808. ...which means you would (in theory, of course,) to train 808 hussars to justify the upgrade. Of course, the math isn't telling the whole story, and the extra HP can make the hussars just a little bit more survivable while raiding, and can help them clear the distance to siege units. One other notable aspect is that they can take an extra hit from halbs than light cavalry can, and that is pretty notable. Get the upgrade if you plan to make a lot of them, I'd say.
Kxoe559 Turks are best with Light Cavs since they don't have to research it. I'd say that gives them the best potential for a scout rush towards the end of their Feudal Age, since they have that instant power upgrade.
Good job once again Saracens. Your bonus benefits everyone but you. 👍
well, i mean, it's a TEAM bonus so it makes sense that it would help other civs, lol.
Young Savage Yeah I guess :D
do we hate the Saracens?
Kai Derscheid No. We just hate their team bonus.
1Korlash provided that you're the sarracens, if you're Chinese you like them
"Anti Anti-Archer Archer" +1
Berber Camel Archers are "Anti-Cavalry Archer Camel/Cavarly Archers"
what about cataphracts?
Anti Melee and Anti-Cavalry Cavalry
I find many unique units are like though. Huskarls/Woad Raiders are the anti anti-infantry infantry, nullifying benefits of range. Likewise with axemen, allowing focus-fire and less pathfinding. Longbows' tiny extended range makes it stand up to more things than arbs. Janissaries remove many weaknesses of hand cannoneers, etc.
Huskarls are anti-archer infantry, Woad raiders are fast infantry, Longbows are just archers with a very high range. Jaguar warriors are anti-infantry infantry. I kinda like Samurai, though. Anti-special unit infantry.
15:56 -Constantinople fell because someone left a gate opened
Probably it was a trade cart or a halberdier on aggressive standing by the gate
Hate that
I'm so proud of you, Saracens ;-;
*salutes*
Faris Firdaws DEUS VULT
Faris Firdaws exactly....SARACENS THE KING OF MIDDLE-EAST...
but...when Crusader wars!!
Ssundee Molly Sarracens historically won too.
The happy Saracens is so cute!
"The Chinese are a thinking civilization." Confucius approves of this statement.
Jay Blodget hahahah
My God, you have it down wrong. After the Qin dynasty which was "oppressive" or otherwise draconian in governance, the Han predicated their rule on being the opposite of the Qin, Confucian thought was the answer to Qin's Legalism.
Ao Chen You do realize, though very educational and informative and for that I am grateful, it doesn't mean Confucian thought "prohibits free thinking". During Confucius's lifetime because of the wars and lack of morality, he formulated his thoughts and it was compiled into the teaching as during the Han dynasty and subsequent dynasties. I personally do not view the Qin dynasty as oppressive but my ancestors gave way to the Han and propagated what they did. It's not in my place to criticize them for it.
John Reese Didn’t you guys already have this conversation?
"Ze Germans are a sinking Civilinazion."
fuck to the yeah
nothing beats going onto youtube and finding a new video from spirit of the law
Amen to those words, I was about to write the same!!!
+HECKproductions too late bruh...
yes!
Quick, file a copyright claim!
Yeah! ;:^D idkn why but his videos are soo satisfyng to watch
Beware the Chinese-Saracen-Industrial complex
lol
And teutons with cheaper farms
@@robdaconquerer4125 cheaper farms and helping the chinese with that monk resistance, since chinese don't get heresy
Isn't that just the silk road?
@@Calimbandil87 I think the silk road would be the Chinese-Saracen-Indian-Industrial Complex
Actually the +5 HP on the elite Chu Ko Nu is pretty useful against Paladins, who after all upgrades are doing 15 damage per hit. They can kill a regular Chu ko Nu with 3 hits, but an elite one survives that with 5 HP and needs to be hit one additional time.
So against Paladins they effectively last 33% longer.
5 hits is 20% longer not 33%
Angelic Alien333 Originally 3 hits, now 4 hits, that’s (4-3)/3, about 33%.
@@xj-vn4eo 4 hits. 25% lol
@@aliencatcrew3336 4/3 = 133%
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13:26 Reloads start after the last projectile is fired. The chu ko nu has a 3 frame delay for each arrow, so the elite chu ko nu has to wait an extra 6 frames before its reload starts. Most archers only have to wait around 3 frames before their reload starts so this means chu ko nu's benefit less from reload time reductions. To balance this thumb ring actually reduces the reload time of the chu ko nu by 20%, rather than 15% like all other archer units.
I feel like the Chinese true purpose is to be a fairly well-rounded civ with a devastating end game. I don't know about anyone else, but massed Chu Ko Nus make me cry.
Massed Chu Ko Nu has absolutely ZERO counterplay, since they strike so hard and so fast. They can easily fight off each and every traditional method to counter archers, ie, siege and cavalry, and for Goths, Huskarls.
siege onager
norman in Not exactly,while the Siege Onager is reloading for fire it is destroyed before a 2nd fire round(except with Celts)
JPence14 The Chu Ko Nu is exactly what made me interested in the Chinese when I first got the game, it's just such a fun unit to use
I played the Le Loi campaign, and it is hard af facing Chu Ko Nus, my fav UU.
I think it's pretty awesome that Spirit's Subscriber to Views ratio is really close, so almost all of his subs regularly watch his videos.
close to what?
Not anymore sadly
The reason why most of the ranged units don't require food to produce is because they use their bow, crossbow or javelin to hunt.
Feenix814 or they buy food with gold.
That actually makes sense:O
or the build there own farms
I don’t know if you were joking but in AoE you have plenty of archers that cost you food, not to mention many military units could theoretically use their weapons to hunt too
Yeah, why do we give food to the scout cavalry if they can hunt some their own, they can catch up to sheep and even deer.
I get more and more appreciation of AOE the more I learn about history. I've only recently figured out that Chu Ko Nu = Zhuge Nu = Zhuge Liang's Repeating Crossbow. What amazing history has been gifted to us since the 1990s from this franchise!
They need some kung fu inspired combat bonus for their monks, possibly a large defensive bonus against infantry.
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Great idea lol
bump
But infantry study MMA. :v
Civ bonus: When failed a conversion, Chinese monk will use kung fu to knock out the target who refuse to be converted.
12:32 "Now I know what you're thinking: is this the moment for the useless Saracen Team Bonus to shine?"
My favorite comment in SoTL's career
Great video, my friend. Also, the info. on the fall of the Byzantine Empire was so funny! LOL!
Chinese and Saracens, Best Buddies 4 ever xD. Also, thanks for not forgetting the joke from the Franks' Overview xD.
Well, I hope the next civ to be "scanned" is the Malians... or the Portuguese if you like them better.
Keep up the good work!
I think he said he'd been going to do all of the Age of Kings and forgotten civilizations (so only Aztecs left) and then redo the older ones. Not sure though
I second a lot of this, especially the gates comment. Props and thanks for putting in that extra cherry on top info. The tests you run are so thorough and well thought out and interpreted, it's easy to underestimate the amount of time required to make these videos and the script you write for it. Thanks as always and phenomenal job. I don't even really play this game anymore, but I watch every video.
I think Aztecs would be a better choice, since they're a bit divided: best monks and infantry on one hand, and worst navy and no cavalry on the other...
Agree withat everything else though!
Michael Pothoven Bitch please! Aztecs don't have the best infantry!
Personally, I think that Aztecs would make a better choice, since they're basically the opposite of the Chinese, being very specialized rather than generalist.
They have the best infantry and monks, but the worst navy and no cavalry.
Agree with everything else you said though!
"I'll try to keep this short"
*Sees video is 21 minutes long*
Well, at least you tried.
I kinda think that one of the Chinese "bonuses" should be that they just get every tech available. Although they are pretty close to that already.
Well, they'd actually have all techs (and some more Unique Techs) and OP bonuses if AoE2 was historically correct... so yeah. Fortunately for us, the devs made the game balanced.
+Transfermium Ha! Then you haven't tried to play with Franks versus Malians, Mongols, Japanese, Goths... yet
They should just give them the Villagers and less Food and Wood and replace the other bonuses for all the techs with really shitty castle techs.
Isn't that what the devs did? (except for the poor castle tech thing, the Great Wall one was OK).
Every bonus available BUT should be slightly more expensive.
"Let's use a generic civilization" *picks Japanese*
what are you do over here?
shouldn't you be doing paladins skin reviews?
6:33 suddenly Spirit's accent changed, for one word, to something a Louisiana cotton farmer might say.
Dank shit right there.
lmao
China : *invents gunpowder*
E.S.: no gunpowder for china
although the chinese did invent gunpowder, they were far behind in the *firearm* race compared to Europeans. They didn't weaponise it anywhere near as effectively as others did. I actually agree with them not having hand canoneers. Bear in mind that AOE2 is set the middle ages and China wasn't doing a whole lot of shooting around then. (they did try some innovative stuff like rockets, but ultimately, it was Europe that made the gun work).
@Jakub Bończak I don't claim the game is perfect, I just said I could justify why the Chinese don't have this particular unit.
I think the reason the Japanese have hand canoneers and the Chinese don't is because of the Sengoku Jidai. The Japanese importing guns is a well known thing, whereas the Ming dynasty (the only possible candidate for 'China' in this game) was a pacifist turtle by comparison that had no reason to figure out how to most effectively weaponise it's own creation. (Who the hell would attack a stable, prosperous China, right?)
Meanwhile, the Japanese are importing guns like crazy.
I think that's why, but I don't claim it to be a perfect line of reasoning.
Different daimyo clans adopted 16th century matchlocks and cannons (since the 1540s), then made copies of them (supposedly 300,000 + manufactured in a decade, & prevalent in battle during the 1560s). Famous cavalry vs firearms battles occured between the Takeda and Oda. Even the naginata-wielding sohei had them in numbers sufficient to defend Osaka castle from a three-year samurai siege.
i agree that the idea wasn't so much they didn't have it but that they neither weaponised it fully nor used it significantly in warfare...the main firearm in aoe2 was the arquebus which of course saw wide usage first among the Turkish Jannisaries..This wasn't the weapon the Chinese had and in fact was brought back to China in an ironic turn of events that was recognised by Chinese themselves...AoE2 did give the Chinese chemistry, bombard cannons, as well as the rocketry bonus...so it sat well with me!
@jabloko992
>" I actually agree with them not having hand canoneers"
The Chinese actually had hand cannons a century before any European state did. Arguing about the effectiveness of one side over the other is moot considering how hand cannons were essentially inaccurate shotguns. And even in later centuries, the Chinese continued to develop their firearm technology by adopting arquebuses and muskets from foreign countries; adapting them to suit their needs. European firearm technology would finally outpace all others with the coming of the Industrial Revolution.
> "whereas the Ming dynasty... was a pacifist turtle by comparison that had no reason to figure out how to most effectively weaponise it's own creation"
Where do you get this idea that the Ming were pacifist? They held campaigns in the north against the Mongols and Jurchen and in the south they expanded into Yunnan and occupied Vietnam. They also went to war against Japan to defend their vassal state of Korea in the late 1500s. The Ming were far from pacifist; by their nature as an empire, they were imperialist. Also as I stated above, they willingly adopted foreign firearms they saw as superior. An early 17th century Ming military manual called "Wubei Zhi" is proof of this, showing drawings of and evaluations of foreign firearms from the Portuguese, Vietnamese, and Ottomans. In addition, there are multiple illustrations of indigenous innovations existing firearm designs.
The idea that Europeans were the only ones that made the gun "work" is just ignoring the histories of other non-European states that utilized gunpowder. Yes, European states did eventually dominate the world with their firearm technology but that only occurred with the Industrial Revolution.
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YES, Saracen Team Bonus Time!
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Immediately thought about that when you said they're good against buildings!
Dude, I seriously look forward to every video you post. As an AOE2 fan, they're so interesting to watch!
One day I did a 60 full Chu Ko Nu upgraded attack (only chu ko nu) and it's pretty OP. One wall gate was destroyed with 3 or 4 volley's and the houes in 2 and the rest of buildings were destroyed with 2-7 volley's with all units attacking at the same time of course.
I was like wow :000
Ender Neezu That's Actually due to the historical research of the Chu Ko Nu firing much heavier and more powerful bolts
Hi Spirit, I just want you to let you know, albeit I don't really play this game more often then maybe once every few month (albeit I played it pretty much my entire childhood), I really really enjoy your videos. They are so relaxing and are the icing on the cake on a sunday! Keep up the good work!
Spirit chose the Japanese as his "generic" test Civ. I'm so surprised.
These are legitimate units in AoE2:
Anti Anti-Archer Archer (Chu Ko Nu),
an Anti Anti-Infantry Infantry (Huskarl) and
an Anti Anti-Cavalry Cavalry (Cataphract).
Are there any more? Anti Anti-Navy Navy? Anti Anti-Siege Siege?
Korean turtle ship is an Anti Navy Navy unit.
Huskarl isnt generally anti anti-infantry. that title should rather go to condottieri
0010 Ammar Faris A. The turtle ship is great against fire ships which are an anti navy navy. The turtle ships are actually an anti anti-ship ship. Also with siege I reckon that Celtic mass onagers is anti everything. Or Korean mass onagers and scorpions with extra range. I can beat the hard AI as of recently but I doubt I can beat the hardest and there SotL beating the extreme.
The ram is technically an anti-siege siege so siege that counters rams are anti anti-siege siege
@@anshula2955 I suppose all ships counter each other in a triangle, so they're all, technically, anti anti-navy navy units.
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Chinese are great for coastal maps and maps with water close to spawn such as island, even though they have no great strategy bonus for naval gameplay, the extra villagers mean you can start collecting wood earlier and get a greater boost in fishing ship production.
3:19 In the new expansion, houses only cost 25 wood, so now Chinese can get away with two houses right off the bat, have 20 population space all at once!
Towncenters support +10 Pop is especially important because of the +3 villager at start bonus. That way you don't need to build houses that fast.
By the way, chu ko nu do melee damage with their arrows, that's why they are so effective against rams and huskarls.
This is correct, so a unit with very low melee armor would actually take more damage from a chu-ko-nu
I never knew that!
Love your handle, by the way. So appropriate for this video...
Yeah, I benefit from Chinese unique technology :)
They still do pierce damage, but units coded to take more melee damage (like rams) take more damage from chu ko nu. The mainreason they are better against units with high pierce armor is because their extra arrows end up doing 1 damage each and total 3 or 5 versus 1 for regular archers.
Kxoe559 This is obviously not true. I tested that (in HD version, in which rams have exactly 0 melee armor) and a siege ram took 3 damage per arrow from regular chu ko nu.
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Chinese is overall a good civ, they can pretty much do any strategy, and as a nomad and arena player they are fucking great.
I think is time to review the aztecs, one of the strongest or maybe the strongest civ in the game at least in 1v1. And very strong in TG if played as flank.
Hi Spirit! I have found your channel month ago or something and managed to catch up with all your videos just in time for some demo ships action. Also because of you I'm now really into composing and playing some AoE II again. I had such a flashback when I've been watching your first video, AoE was like 70% of my entire childhood. I'm really looking forward to learning how to PvP and maybe playing some games with you If I won't be very bad at AoE. Keep up the good work and greetings from Poland. :)
On the Chinese start: it seems like a definite (if a little modest) plus, though I can see why people and Spirit are ambivalent. The +5 LOS in HD definitely helps it out.
I think where things go wrong is that most strats online just suggest a standard 6 sheep, then wood as a start order and don't call out the Chinese as an exception. Problem is, 6 sheep is too little to sustain villager production. You gather slightly less than 50 food in 25 seconds, and when you factor in villager walk time to the next sheep, you'll be losing a few seconds at almost every villager until boars/berries, which can squander most of your time advantage. Other civs have a 200 food buffer (150 for Mayans) that lasts them long enough until they're also gathering berries or boar.
I'm no expert, but I find putting 7th on sheep, and then either 8 pulling boar or putting 8-9 on berries works well for the Chinese (though your lumberjacks have to spend a lot of time on stragglers with the early-berry route). With the +5 LOS you're basically guaranteed a consistent sheep start (at game load, press comma to select your scout and click on the sheep so you get them asap; your TC is guaranteed to have idle time so you don't have to click that loom button immediately, just in the first 25 seconds) and I find I can start a 7th at ~1m, which puts you at ~15 seconds ahead of other civs' 7th, plus an additional 25 seconds from loom. Importantly, with constant villager production, you're basically ahead of other civs by 1/2 a villager, which I believe works out to mean ~100 add'l resources (assuming ~20 wood/minute and spread out over a ~10 minute dark age). Minus the 20 wood and 50 food you're down, and you're still in a net gain resource-wise, plus you're time-wise ahead of everyone else. Plus, when other civs end up researching loom (which typically may be halfway into dark or at the end of dark), you gain a further edge in net resource gathering since you'l then be a full villager and a half ahead, which will pay dividends over time (assuming constant villager production).
Compared to Mayans, the Chinese will still be ahead 1/2 a villager assuming starting a 7th by ~1m (during which Mayans are still producing a 6th), though both civs have to start with loom, so there's no further bump ahead of the Mayans. So the Chinese will still realize a net resource/time advantage over the Mayans, though it's more limited. (But, the Mayans have the 20% [15% in expansions] longer resources, which gives them an arguably strong advantage over the Chinese dark age.)
Note that in addition to being good at Nomad, the Chinese start is probably great in regicide. Regicide gives you extra resources, which means the Chinese *can* maintain constant villager production from the get-go, which means they will perpetually be ahead three full villagers against other civs (two against Mayans). The full impact of that is a bit muted, though, because everyone starts with 9 vills, so having +3 is proportionally less than in the standard scenario (where you're doubling your starting villagers).
3 extra villagers is still huge on Regicide, since the value of villagers early game is soo high, and those 3 extra most likely will gain many more resources without as much cost invested into them.
IRL, Mongols did beat China, a divided China. Tbh, a main reason why the mongol horde was invincible was that civs around that era were particularly weak at the time, especially China. Just play the Mongol Campaign, there were at least like four different nomadic regimes in Northern China at that time, notably the Jurchens who controlled areas such as Beijing, and the Chinese Song Dynasty, which was the most advanced civ in the world at that time only controlled Southern China, and were sworn enemies with the north, which was already under nomadic control. The mongols took advantage of this divide and with smart diplomacy, they allied with the Chinese and conquered the entire Northern China. The Song was extremely weak in military terms at that time, with no access to horses (which were only available in then north). The mongols quickly adopted Chinese and arab technologies and recruited soldiers from across the continent. With superior numbers and a wealth of technologies, the mongols finally conquered China in 1279, noted that most of the other civs the mongols encountered were already defeated, making the Chinese the longest lasting civ to stand against the mongol horde, despite of them losing much of their power earlier on due to civil war, mainly thanks to their navy and gunpowder units. Funny though, in the mongol campaign, they actually stole the bombard cannon tech from the Chinese yet neither the Chinese nor mongols receive that technology in game.
finally Inner Mongolia becomes Chinese territory,
You described why Alexander the Great was far greater than Chinggis Khan. Chinggis couldn't take down a DIVIDED China. He needed Kublai to finish the job. Alexander, on the other hand, IN A FEW YEARS took down A UNITED PERSIAN EMPIRE, a bigger polity than ANY the Mongols EVER took down, and he always led his men. The greatest European in military history is greater than the greatest Asian in military history.
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@@scintillam_dei Well Alexander never took breaks which inevitably led to his death ALSO he was taught in schools and learned while GENGHIS khan grew up in tribes and had to overcome hardships so he had limits soooo idk who is smarter also sun tzu is smarter than Alexander get your facts right
@@scintillam_dei, While Alexander was a better military leader, both men were setting out to conquer an empire and in that regard Genghis Khan has the definite edge. Alexander made the bigger empire faster, true, but it completely failed to outlive him. Within a few years of his death his empire had crumbled and four much weaker states rose in its place, all of which also fell before very long.
The Mongols on the other hand did much better. Not only did the empire survive the death of its founder but it even grew to be bigger than Alexander’s. When it did collapse into smaller states, those states lasted for centuries before they finally fell.
Also worth mentioning is that Alexander’s conquest was only possible because his father had laid the groundwork for it by uniting his homeland. Temujin had to unite Mongolia first before he set out on his conquests. He was also just the son of a blacksmith and worked his way up from there, whereas Alexander was born a prince and raised for conquest.
If the two were to campaign against each other, Alexander would likely win, but comparing their respective achievements within their context, Genghis Khan was the greater leader.
Final note, both men were monsters who lost no sleep over butchering countless innocent people. Their intelligence and skill is to be admired but the men themselves are to be reviled.
Here's my thoughts for a possible new Southern Chinese civ: Infantry and Gunpowder civ. Start with two extra villagers but minus 100 food. Hand Cannoneers receive +10% speed boost. Petards gain +20 HP and +20 bonus damage against cavalry units. The cost of researching Conscription and Chemistry is reduced by 50%. Unique Units: Zhijia Firelancer, a flamethrowing infantry with a high pierce armor, has the same attack and range as the Fire Ship, good against siege units and buildings. Second Unique Unit: Zhanmadao, a heavy melee infantry wielding the Chinese polearm Zhanmadao, very good against cavalry.
This will be overpower, need more negative atributes for balancing!
TheXanian It's better the Modao(莫刀),which is a anti-infantry weapon that can cut a man in half and can cause serious injuries to a knight or cavalier
Wow, I was waiting for this Civ overview for so long. Thanks!!!
Great video as always, but
please stop being so mean to the Saracens :(
I was so happy for them when I heard "Is this the moment for the Saracens' team bonus to shine? Well yes, it is!" at 12:36, but felt so sad when I saw that disappointed Mameluke at 14:36 saying that they did so well at the Chu Ko Nu-part but failed when it came to scorpions, even though you made me laugh at 16:00... but Saracens have to be quite salty.
PS: I did a test about something that might seem obvious, but is worth pointing out: Their cheaper tech advantage also helps out at the technology "Spies" and the cost is 160 gold for every villager, not 200, wich adds up, of course.
On the other hand, if you play regicide, the 400 gold cost to reveal all enemy kings remains and doesn't change to 320 or something.
Have a nice day
Scaracens are a top tier civ. way above average. They are just selfish on the team bonus.
You made me realise the gate having 4 tiles, still has lower hitpoints per tile compared to a single wall that covers one tile. So it's really good to place 3 single walls behind a gate only letting one tile open to use the gate. That will make that one tile count as a lot more hitpoints through the gate.
Ah yes. Finally, the Chinese: the civ that would be OP if AoE2 was historically correct.
Yes :(
Probably a good thing, but I would love to play a historically correct version of it, just to test it once
If AoE2 as historically correct, Spanish would get extra gold every time they kill a meso-american unit
Well, China would probably be the only top tier civ, Aztecs would be nigh useless, sheep cannot be controlled, and Kings would take ages to move.
But they were defeated by Mongols and couldn't conquer the Koreans, so they weren't *that* powerful in real life.
Koreans were basically their protectorate, and the Mongols hired their own Chinese engineers. Also, the Song dynasty was heavily corrupt and got invaded from the north by the Jin and Xi Xia(aka Tunguts), so thye'd have lost to them anyway. The Mongols just took them out one by one, allying with the Song to fool them into thinking that the Mongols won't invade. It was a brilliant plan.
Shame that Genghis died during it though.
That may be true, my point was that they were not an unbeatable civilization in real life. They were powerful of course, and had good technological advancements for the time, but they still were defeated a few times.
What I love most about the chinese is that you can mass 1 type of unit (chu ko nu) and just walk over any army combination that doesn't include onagers.
What about a group of conquistadores as numerous as the Chu ko nu?
Chi Ko Nu doing well against traditional Archer counters is a huge plus in my opinion
I love Chinese but I never really knew how to learn how to play them right. Thanks this really helped! :D
"Don't be picky with food source"
That comment aged well
Man this is pun worth remembering
So happy that its out haha .... its a bit crazy how often i checked your yt-page :D
FUCK YEAH! WE FINALLY GOT IT!
I just stumbled upon your videos here
I must say, I had never considered all this information about the various nations before and Ive been playing this game since I was a child
I am quite impressed with the amount of information you have collected
CHINESE , no crop rotation, WTF?
Jacky Yau Actually that's kinda accurate since China usually has rice farms and that kind of plantation doesn't need much time unlike the wheat
Yizhen OuO Brother, you are forgetting tuntian and that our farmers still need to rotate crops based on the seasons to survive.... Rice isn't a cure all solution for seasonal agriculture supplying ye know. We also did use crop rotation... not as "elaborate" as the more now commonly used 4 rotating method, but the 2 and 3 rotating method sure
I _think_ the idea is that they start with crop rotation as their team bonus
???
Actually, crop rotation in AoE2 refers to a specific 4 crop rotation invented by the Belgians. It was vitally important for British progression, odd Britons do not get it.
Other earlier crop rotations obviously happened- this was just a magic formula for European crops.
It is like block printing refers to the printing press vital for spreading religious texts, ie the bible, which was the real progression over simply the technology.
Immediately Thumbs up before even the intro plays. Because this is my favorite AOE2 content these days! *Another home run*
I find it odd that you had the Missing Hussar as a negative, as the upgrade is rarely worth the gold cost. The fact that the Chinese light cavalry has full upgrades puts it ahead of any cavalry civ that has hussars without full upgrades, including the Mongols.
Rovsea - And that tech discount can allow Chinese to pull out some more Light Cavs
Woo! I've been waiting for this one for a while! These civ overviews are my favorite
Just had a 3v3 where my allies resigned in dark age. I thought my Teutonic Knights were doing good against archers until the Chinese player showed up.
Coming and rewatching all these civ overviews is just one of those things I do every once in a while
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8:30 Secondary projectiles use their own stats rather than the unit's stats. The Chu Ku No's secondary arrows have 85 accuracy, which is the same as the Chu Ko Nu's base accuracy. However thumb ring (and most other archer techs) applies changes to units not arrows, so the secondary projectiles keep their 85 accuracy even after thumb ring.
"One weird thing I noticed is that the Chinese gates survived longer than the walls, while the opposite was true for the Byzantines"
That's not a bug, that's a feature
AAH, it feels like christmas everytime a new civ overview comes out!
China: Destroying Huskarls since the Han dynasty
Well, technically, the repeating crossbow(aka the Chu-ko-nu) was made in the three kingdoms era, right after the Han dynasty
Greatatemi 105 Actually the prototypes appeared at the Zhou Dynasty
the idea that the Chu Ko Nu was made in the three kingdoms era is incorrect, with most of the blame being laid on the name. Just because it is one of the names for the repeating crossbow (the other, more common phrase being Lian Nu) doesn't mean it originates in the Three Kingdoms era.
FINALLY!! It has been so long, i love these videos, hope you never stop, Spirit! :D
Big fan! Where can I buy my SoTL mug?
I feel like a SotL calculator would be much more appropriate :)
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Or a spanish villager t shirt
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You put a lot of effort into your videos. Actually quite incredible. You deserve every sub and like you get
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BTW, SotL, Masonry and Architecture are not applied to Walls and Gates. This is why their walls are weaker than Byzantines but their towers (Keeps especially) have tons of HP thanks to those two techs.
Love these overviews. Always a great refresher on the game.
Aww... I was literally about to ask about the Saracen bonus, then it happened. YAY!
Ehm no, because Chu Ko Nu other arrows, except the first one, do meele dmg, watch old Zero's video if you not believe me.
they do pierce damage +0 melee. So they are effected too
They also invented my favorite cartoon, Pokey man
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And the Jamaican variant, Pokey Mon.
on the chu ko nu thing, zeroempires made a video on them that explains alot, i recommend you to check it out
Jack of all trades, master of none
Nope, Byzantines have a broader tech tree, get Paladins, Hussars and Gunpowder, so they are still more versatile.
Hussar is not a very good tech. To be honest, it's usually not worth it.
Hussar is not a very good tech. To be honest, it's usually not worth it.
Hussar is not a very good tech. To be honest, it's usually not worth it.
RazieL Is oftentimes better than a master of one
A new 20 min video from SOTL! My day is all set
0:07 the irony 😂
FINALLY!!!! THANKS A LOT MAN!!! :D :D great stuff as always!!! keep up the good work! thumbs up for the Spirit Of The Law!!!
"I'll try to keep this short"
Noooo, we want longer videos, not shorter ones =)
You definitely deserve a like for this video from me. Very well thought through and you did a great job organizing it! Always interesting. :)
Saracens + Chinese = Best team ever is what I got from this video.
Exactly
I always put China with Persia in my world map scenarios.
The Chinese have been one of my favourite civilizations since I started playing AoE2, still are up there in the top 5 at least.
Wow, I'm early, lemme think about a joke...
Nah... I have none
me neither
You might not have a joke, but at least you are one
I tried to make fun of Rihanna, but that would've been an "anti" joke....
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i just discovered all your videos. When I am done with my thesis i really need to start play this damn game again. Such great videos. Thanks man! :) Btw: Is your name a Montesquieu reference? :D
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"I'll try to keep it short".. Dude, your analysis can last hours long and people would still watch it!
i was introduced to aoe2 around 15 years ago and i just realized today that the team bonus applies to all of your allies as well.
it's called a TEAM bonus!!!! TEEEEEAAAAAMMMMM!!!! D:
this video is over 20 minutes long and released 6 minutes ago so people are liking it before they see it
support for the channel is great and all but i think rating someting before knowing what it is kinda makes the whole rating deal pointless
It was better when they had the 1~5 star system.
Well, considering that the user can NOT see the up / down ratings of a video BEFORE clicking and watching the video, I am pretty sure the liking system is not made to let people know if something is good or not.
It is made for Google to know what things are popular, so they can put them higher on their search list.
So, with that in mind, it makes perfect sense to rate the video before watching it, since, with your vote, what you are saying is not "this video is good" but "I think more people should know about Spirit".
And I already know that more people should know about him, even before watching this video, so liking the video as soon as I open it is only natural for me.
We all already knew that it was worth liking
I only give a "Like" after I see the whole video, never do "Dislikes", than I decide if put on the "Like" or not, so me its not the case there :-).
It's a spirit of the law video that's all I needed to know to like
Its fun coming back to these vids :)
i did a test with a friend, it seems like 40 E-Cho-ko-nu will always beat an equil cost of paladens
Radiation Pony Remember that Paladins are always more expensive than Archers
@@yizhenji5564 That isn't the point, they have more health and do more damage, they are meant to reasonably kill an archer force of equal cost though.
Having said that, it is a unique unit.
e40 the Chu Ko Nu??
been comparing this vids and your other ones big change love it
Poor Saracens. Every time archer related stats come up, they had to be trolled for their awesome unique team bonus.
Awesome video mate i was waiting for this i was checking your channel every day
Do they get double damage to all unarmed civilian units from japanese?
YES FINALLY!Was waiting for this so long
To be fair, if it was historically accurate, there would be no point in playing as most civs outside of Europe, Asia and the middle East... I mean the Aztecs and Mayans among others hadn't even discovered metal yet.
So no siege, nothing bast archer or militia, and still no cavalry, missing a decent number of eco upgrades, lost a lot of university and monastery upgrades... seems balanced.
Agreed. Accuracy would involve no units for Aztecs except Jaguar and Eagle Warriors, and Monks. Chinese would basically be both Byzantines and Turks simultaneously, and slaughter all other civs.
You are right in the mention of the Aztec's only usable units, however I am inclined to disagree with the Chinese would "slaughter all other civs". First off, the Mongols were far superior to the Chinese, due to their sheer number and training (Why did China bother building that wall?). Also many European civs would have beaten the Chinese if at war, not to mention that civs like the Britons, Italians, Spanish and Portuguese had far greater warships and tactics. As a side note, China were very technologically advanced at the time, but come the 19th century, with Britain leading an industrial revolution, Europe rose swiftly ahead.
They actually did slaughter any neighbouring nation, just look at the map, China is immense, i don't think that they conquered all that territory with tea and origamis. The wall was built 1400 years before the arrival of the Mongols. The game ranges from 5th century AD to 16th century AD, so there is no point talking about 19th century.
If it was historically correct, chinese troops would have much lesser armor than the european armies, why bother with armor when you can drown your enemies under a rain of arrows? Sadly it's not how it works in Age of Empires.
I concede that the Mongols beat the Chinese, my mistake.
However, compared to European and Middle East powers from the 5th to 16th century, China had far more advanced weaponry, far larger armies and warships, and a far wealthier economy.
Basically, in a historically accurate game, the Chinese would start already in Castle Age, since they didn't suffer a catastrophe like the fall of Rome in the West.
The 1453 siege of Constantinople was thanks to one of the largest cannons ever created by humans, Basilica.
"I can cast a cannon of bronze with the capacity of the stone you want. I have examined the walls of the city in great detail. I can shatter to dust not only these walls with the stones from my gun, but the very walls of Babylon itself." -Orban, Hungarian siege engineer
Isn't the team bonus "+45% food" for farms?
Sounds pretty overpowered, but that's what it says in my game (German version)
+45% would be an amazing team bonus (borderline OP), but it's definitely just +45. Something seems to have been lost in translation.
Alright, thanks. I was a bit confused :D
12:30 What about the clearly overpowered saracen team bonus ? ^^
Could massed up Chu-Ko-Nu with saracen ally actually be effectiv against buildings ?!
Oh my bad should have watched the whole vid before commenting......
Keep up the good work !
Spirit Of The Law In your first farm chart you accounted crop rotation + the team bonus for the Chinese but they don't get crop rotation :p ( I know I am a little late to the party)
Wow look at that description... man you put to much work into your vids we dont deserve this kind of quality i really admire you thanks for the videos we have and the videos we are about to have god bless you.
*turns on computer*
*sees that you made a new video*
*loses shit*
*joins the shitless club*
Love those soft Canadian tones, Spirit ;D.
İt isn't true information in 16:03.
References:Prof. dr. Halil İnalcık Devlet-i Aliyye(Ottoman Empire's original name),Prof.dr. Erhan Afyoncu Sorularla Osmanlı(Ottoman) İmparatorluğu,Ord. Prof. İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı Osmanlı Tarihi. This person is the greatest Ottoman historian.
I don't really have a horse in this fight and have any strong opinions about it, but I remember coming across a discussion about how the events are presented differently in Turkey:
www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3zvjhp/open_gate_in_fall_of_constantinople/
Yo spirit, You saw my reply to ur discossion thread? And check out my formula, pretty dang sweet
This rumour was written by Doukas and it is contradict other historian.Turks went the city in near Topkapı.This area's name Top Yıkığu Mahallesi(Cannon rundown neighborhood).en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doukas_(historian)
Either way it is impossible to prove or disprove your point. It happen 600 years ago and why does it matter.
I'm also more likely to believe something published by the Oxford university press. Than a potential bias nationalist. No offense
+Anaverageguy41 because "Oxford" has no nationalist biases, heh. .
Again a great video. Keep up to good work man. Greetings and love from Turkey
Doesn't the Chu ko nu do 0 melee damage as well, and since the Ram has -2 melee armour the Chu ko nu does 2 or 3 damage to it?
Thanks for another great overview. I'm back to regularly playing this game after several years, thanks in no small part to your channel.
Now, if you are taking suggestions for future videos...
This is probably not enough for a video of its own, but it would be nice to see an in-depth, mathematical analysis of the Scout line, such as when/if it is worth to spend the resources for upgrading to hussar. I've always felt the gold cost is too high for the benefits most of the time, and I tend to use it a lot less than other players on my level, only upgrading when I expect a fairly long game in which I will be making a LOT of light cavalry (though I do it considerably more often with mongols).
I take this approach based solely on experience and intuition, and I know there is a lot of subjectivity to it, but it would be great to see if that holds up in a more objective evaluation, such as the ones you make.
I agree with you. Unless I'm mistaken, the only "hard" stats the Hussar upgrade makes are to HP, although it might boost line of sight and speed a bit as well, I'm still not sure the 600 gold is worth it. Considering SoTL made two "Is the Paladin Upgrade Worth it" videos, I can see this as a topic he'd approach. :)
The have a little bit more attack speed and more bonus attack against monks as the light cavalry.
Check out Spirit's 'Is the Paladin Upgrade Worth it?" videos, and perform a similar calculation. In theory, they get an average of about 8% overall improvement. Check my math. Assuming the gold is worth post imperial market values, there would be a total 4786 food's worth investment for the tech. Then we solve the system of equations:
1.08x = x + 60, Where x is the relative power of each unit and y is the number of units one could produce.
I get an X value of 748, and putting that into the equation, i get a y value of 808.
...which means you would (in theory, of course,) to train 808 hussars to justify the upgrade.
Of course, the math isn't telling the whole story, and the extra HP can make the hussars just a little bit more survivable while raiding, and can help them clear the distance to siege units. One other notable aspect is that they can take an extra hit from halbs than light cavalry can, and that is pretty notable. Get the upgrade if you plan to make a lot of them, I'd say.
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Turks are best with Light Cavs since they don't have to research it. I'd say that gives them the best potential for a scout rush towards the end of their Feudal Age, since they have that instant power upgrade.