Response Part 3: Stealing from the Living
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
- A review of the various false statements made by Thom Pollard that relate to the Mallory and Irvine's climb to demonstrate that he is not a reliable source to convey "information" from anonymous sources.
Reviews his stepping over dying climbers on his way to the summit, lifting a story from Dave Hahn, taking photographs of George Mallory's face, and taking credit for things he did not do.
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How many videos are you going to make of someone who’s achieved more than you ever will and could dream of 😢😢
I see you defending Thom in this video from 7 years ago and your comment is from 6 years ago. ua-cam.com/video/4e6CJclL4k8/v-deo.html
Curious why this "great" man needs someone defending him all these years and how he found someone as loyal and dogged as you?
Nobody disputes Thom’s accomplishment. He’s definitely stepped over more bodies than John Rambo
Just say hello Thom instead of hiding
Is that you, Thom?:)
@@michaeltracy2356 heres what I asked Thom on his channel a few days ago: "@EverstMystery will you do a video or discussion regarding or ideally WITH Michael Tracy? He has made some very concerning observations on many aspects of people involved and details of this saga and exposed plenty of conflicting stories and half truths from all parties concerned. I think you are clearly a warm good person and Michael perhaps comes across as a more cold forensic type of individual/presonality, But to his credit he cares about the truth ruthlessly and that is a virtue and not a negative and if "nicer" seeming people are not being completely upfront than it begs the question WHO are the, honest and good people then? If we are not promoting truth and twisting narratives then we are not good human beings, period. If there is truly nothing to hide, yourself and others involved should address these concerns and his videos that alot of people are watching and clearly are highly unlikely to be fabrications at this point!"
Before I knew better, my love for everything Everest would overwhelm my gut feeling that Pollard was a deuschbag. Thanks for showing his true colors.
What type of guy steals a dead mans pants and underwear???
Pollard still banging on about the camera. Me, me, me.
The most Interesting Series going on YT
Leslie Binns - what an amazing man. One of the increasingly rare climbers who can actually look at themselves in the mirror and see a good person staring back.
Most of pro climbers are decent people. Wealthy pos who decide to buy themselves "being a mountaineer" on the other hand..
I often wonder why Thom, to my knowledge, hasn't made any real effort to respond directly to Mr. Tracy's videos. Is it arrogance, cowardice, or fear of not being able to put together a critically thought out defense?
Why would he respond to a narcissistic loser who knows nothing 😂
I believe Thom is a narcissist and does not like having his views/opinions challenged. Mr. Tracy is obviously a well researched person and it threatens Thom's ego and image.
@@lawhorndavid7687 the narcissist is the one making slandering hateful and non factual videos…😂😂😂
@@Thankyou423.3 Thom, why can't you comment using your actual account instead of this sock account?
@@lawhorndavid7687 the fact you think this is Thom is laughable and sad 😂😂
I enjoy both of your videos and they have lead me to so many great videos and book. Everyone wants to find the camera but the lazy smoker in me wonders what happened to Mallory’s pipe. I also wonder why the team when they found Mallory didn’t reach out to the CWGC and place a marker and cover cost for a ( as proper as can be on the slope ) burial. His war service would make him eligible and the CWGC has a standing relationship with the Chinese gov.
Thank you for these videos and the time you take to make them. Also thanks for keeping them free and not trying to get paid subscribers like the other guy
The truth is easy to remember, there is only 1 version, it is the lies you need to keep track of!
I bet pollard did take pictures of GM ‘s face. Since this was a planned expedition to find George and sandy, did they approach the families first for permission to disturb their last resting place , remove their clothing and personal effects and take intrusive photographs? And why were the personal effects taken to the USA rather than returned directly to the LEGAL owners- GMs family?
It was a grave robbing, researching and documenting anything properly was a distant reality
Strange that they made zero preparation to deal with any evidence.
My cover up meter is off the charts.
This video does not get into the analysis of the drone photo as originally planned. This analysis requires an understanding that there are other people looking for Irvine who do not publicize their plans nor disclose what they find, and I decided not to get into that at this time. Suffice to say, if Irvine was "removed" or "pushed down" or anything else, it was probably not by the Chinese but any one of the other groups that are secretly searching for Irvine for their own purposes.
The easiest way to tell if Irvine was "removed" or "pushed down" would be to look at various photos from low snow years and see if an object is there one year and missing in later years. While the drone photos would be useful, photos of the key area below the ice axe taken by people who have been there would be much more useful. And the people who have been there refuse to release any photos while still maintaining that the "Chinese" removed Irvine.
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So sorry that Mallory was not allowed to rest in peace after he was so respectfully buried to finally rest upon the Mountain. The description of what Pollard did to Mallory’s body is revolting at best. That Pollard is making money on his “lectures” just takes it to yet another revolting level of, “cheating and lies.”. Thank you, Michael for your splendid series, exposing all of this.
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@@michaeltracy2356”Address is invalid”.
I'm getting cover up vibes from this whole mess.
Thom has made multiple videos and "shorts" about Szilárd Suhajda who perished last season on Everest. Thom seems to be cashing in on his death and I asked have you asked the family if they are comfortable with all your click bait publishings? No was the answer.
Its dirty, disrespectful and slimey content creation.
People like Thom are dangerous, as they actually believe that they're good men.
Pollard gets SUPER MAD when you ask anything beyond an already answered softball question in his comments. Looks like he banned me from commenting aka asking questions that he didn’t like.
Well, it helps get me subscribers. People start out, "Why is he being so hard on this guy." And after asking the same questions over and over and always being told he is "looking into it," they start to see the pattern. Then they look into it a little more and join up as a Snow Monkey at the Yeti Academy.
That’s where I am. Found his channel first since 8000m peaks fascinate me. Then he just “smelled” a little “hinky” to me. Is the Yeti Academy on discord?
Nevermind I found the link in pinned comment. Thanks!
I'm no longer permitted to comment on his videos.
What happened to Mallorys breathing apparatus?@@michaeltracy2356
Thank you for these Micheal, greatly appreciated.
Have been looking forward to this all week. Thank you, Mr Tracy
"After I stripped the body, took 7 selfies, then I scattered the rest. Now my story will be great"- Could have been a line from a modern Western.
I wondered after the last video what Pollard does for a living. Wonder even more now. Whatever the answer to that question, he certainly seems to have a large personal stake in playing up his role in the Mallory expedition, and in his ongoing role in the Mallory/Irvine community online. Whether his motives are for money, fame (such as it is), or both, he looks like one of the really slimy actors in this drama. Ultimately I don’t care what kind of person he is, but I do care that he has made this mystery harder to solve.
More complex is that he strongly believes they didn't make it and has been saying that for a long time -- he states as much in his 2017 presentation.
Why would someone want to go to Everest, climb around looking for a body, and then rummage through the belongings of a dead man just so they could "prove" he didn't make it? I just don't see the motivation. You aren't going to get a lot of money for a camera with no photos taken. You aren't going to sell a lot of books with a finding that they didn't make it.
But they definitely have made things more difficult.
@@michaeltracy2356 social media is, as the saying goes, a helluva drug. It is ideal for those who want to *be* something more than they want to *do* something. It’s why I keep wondering how much of his identity and even self-worth is tied up in all this. The need to place himself at the center of this story and keep himself there at whatever cost sure suggests a fragile, narcissistic personality.
Thom hopes to make a lot of bank on the 100'th anniversary. Photo rights? Interviews? Personal testimonials? None are cheap. He's aiming for more than just channel clicks.
@@T_Mo271 maybe so. My guess is that this is more about attention than money. He seems to really relish being a part of this story, and seems willing to say or do whatever it takes to keep himself visible on social media. The fact that his story is not only false in many ways, but changes over time, makes clear that he is interested in more than just solving a mystery.
Thank you Michael for this series and of course your other videos. Excellent research and thorough.
In a video last year Pollard stated that "they" had permission from the family and gave everything "they" found to the family. This was certainly true as regards the May 1 discovery by Anker, Hahn et al. However, I think it unlikely that Pollard contacted the family in the next week or so to obtain permission for he and Politz to EXHUME the body. Personally, I think It matters.
The family has always denied they gave permission for any DNA analysis. And no sample was provided by the family to compare to. Exactly what has happened to the piece cut from Mallory remains an Everest Mystery.
The location of the items like the pants, underwear, and oxygen bottle are also not clear. They are not at the RGS.
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What exactly is the purpose for taking this man's underwear? I've been binge watching all the videos regarding the search for M&I and these guys from 1999 are really creeping me out. Thanks Mr Tracy your research on this subject is second to none 🍻
Michael, in my opinion your channel is THE most valid and informative source about mountaineering in the Everest region of the Himalaya. Kindly keep the positive momentum going! Take care, be well and continue to perform good deeds.
Pollard has zero credibility. I don't understand how anyone pays attention to him, but sadly many do, which increasingly obscures the truth about many events on Everest.
I’ve started recently watching his videos and many other’s about Everest. I’m trying to get caught up. So forgive my ignorance. What is the main concerns about pollard? Thanks in advanced. I’m not trying to counter or argue, I’m genuinely interested in what people don’t like about him. It’s a lot of information to digest
A round of applause!👏 Enjoyed this series very much!🥰
Enjoyed all three parts. Thanks for exposing what a pig Pollard is.
thom pollard is a monster
I keep shaking my head at the team for not having an archeologist with them. An archeologist could have done a much better job documenting how the body was found, the state of the body, what items were on the body and where they were located. Instead we got a team of zealot mountain climbers who decided to ransack the body instead of taking careful notes.
There is a video of the whole thing, so it is not the lack of the ability to document -- it is the unwillingness to do so. These people were not there for "research" or academic reasons. It was a for-profit endeavor and these individuals were all professional photographers who want to make money selling photos. That one of them wants to pretend he is trying to "solve" the mystery is where the problems come from. They were paid to go there and they expect to be paid for their "work." No problem with that except they get very upset when people point this out.
@@michaeltracy2356 I don't have a problem with them being paid for participating in the expedition, but I do have a problem with them not being there for academic reasons- witness the current state of affairs with the remaining unknowns. A treasure hunt for a phantom camera was an unfortunate way to approach a significant historical find.
Hi Michael! I love this series and really appreciate how much information and knowledge you have.
I don't remember if you've addressed this before, but at some point (a later video, whenever) are you planning to expand a bit on *why* the anti-summit crew is so insistent on it?
Maybe I'm too much of a historian and not enough of an Everest political scientist, but I would think discovering they did summit wouldn't cause a massive shakeup. It seems like a lot of energy is being wasted (by them specifically) on trying to disprove that they successfully summited. Everything you've provided so far has made sense, but it's that question I keep coming back to.
As always, thank you for another interesting video! I've known people like this before, and lying and taking other peoples' narratives seems almost second-nature to them. They're unfortunately way too common.
Pollard's videos have always impressed me as pretty devoid of research or analysis, presented with a strange earnestness that reminds me of a first grade teacher talking to his/her class.
If they were just happy-go-lucky videos devoid of research, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The issue is they contain significant errors and those errors always point in a single direction -- that they didn't make it. Just say, "Hey, we didn't look for rocks. No one told us to look for rocks and the guy was glued to the mountain."
It seems to me that Thom only likes to criticize others and doesn't look into his own actions. He also appears to think that only people he knows or associates with should be allowed to summit.
What a great series of 3 this was Michael! I always kind of thought that Thom was a stand up guy but the truth about his deception startles me! I guess I was deceived by him as was a jargon of other people. That ends for me today after hearing the real truth! Thank you! I will continue looking forward to your next post! 😎😎 Btw, yours is the first U-tube channel that never asks for support outright! How refreshing that is!
Great to see you grow from hundreds of subscribers and a few hundred views on each video, with no more then 100 or so views in the first few days and only a few commenters, to now having 84k subscribers and getting 52k views in a day!
Micheal, your one of the only sane and logical people on the internet, this series was awesome. Fuck the post truth world and keep the videos (and the dry humor) coming!
Also good on you for calling thom out on his charlatan bullshit history will prove you right
Pillaging the dead is absolutely disgusting.
Not finding rocks on Mallory is in no way an indication they did not summit. When you look just a little bit deeper it becomes apparent that Mallory and/or Irvine would, most likely, have collected rocks from their high point, (like Norton, Hilary, the Chinese in 1960 and even Thom himself) regardless of whether that was the summit. So it should have been more a question of - 'are the rocks they are carrying from their high point, from the summit. Unless, they fell before their high point, but as it we can be fairly sure from the known data they were descending that one can be largely discounted. So either just Irvine has the rocks, the 1999 team missed the silver bullet when searching Mallory or both Mallory and Irvine forgot a key aim of the expedition.
None of this makes sense, so they went to find mallory just to debate disturbing him???
Nat geo paid thom Pollard to PHOTOGRAPH mallory, theres no way they could stand up there and debate morals about weather to disturb him
Why doesn't NASA just do us all a favor and use the Hubble Telescope to scan Everest completely and get some high definition images ?.........only half kidding.
I respect you immensely. While this video might have been uncomfortable to make I appreciate you sharing with us. Thank you 🙏🏻
I don't like making them, but the subscribers are flooding in from these videos. Was sort of flat the last month or so and then what I thought would be some boring "response" videos hit it big. Tough to figure out the algorithm.
I've been watching a bunch of Thom's videos and he always came across as a decent guy to me.
The information I gathered from your videos, although I cannot personally verify it, leaves me in a state of shock.
I was under the impression that George Mallory had been respectfully buried/covered in ample layers of stones on the day he was originally found. When he was disturbed and searched for the second time, how come there weren't enough stones to bury him again? Where did they disappear to? as presumably the stones had to be removed to access his body again, or am I missing something here? Thankyou
That is about it. The particular problem is that Pollard didn't tell anyone about this until 2019. Had I known he was not buried, I would have gone over there in 2018 and covered him.
Thank you for your reply, but it shouldn't have been up to you. What a shocking mess it all is.
I've been intrigued by Thom pollards videos for a while, but i never have a time to cross reference everything. This is a form of stolen valor. Big mountaineering brings out the worst in some people. 🤯
What strikes me everytime I hear the name Mallory is that he was in a position that indicates he was still alive when he had come to a halt. He must have died in agony, banged up as he was sliding down the slope.
Great series.
Lies crumble when the light of facts shine upon them. Too bad the low-life lying scumbags that spread and profit from said lies don't.
Loved the meme "I want to be deceived". So much up with the times we're living in.
Has Them Pollard ever summited Everest???
Yes, in 2016 when he stepped over two living human beings to achieve his ambition. However, some people doubt his claim as he has never produced a photo on the actual summit and the rocks he collected were from further down the mountain.
@@michaeltracy2356he has photos of him on the summit 😂😢
Bravo Zulu. A good series on post-truth
Hold on , why would someone lie about this when there is a documented video evidence of the discovery of mallory ?
Great video and a solid series man, well done. Of Thom’s audience- rather than people who want to be lied to, I think a good chunk are just regular folks with a passing interest in the M+I mystery and who want to learn more about an extreme hobby that they will never take part in. I’d bet the majority don’t even know that an alternative consideration of the narrative exists in the first place. I sure didn’t until I stumbled across your channel and was convinced by your reasoning.
The more mystery some create the more $$$ they make...$$$ makes some do odd things ( corpse robbing maybe?) , lying being one of the easiest once they commit to obtaining the $$$...Sad, but true facts of life these days...
Hi Michael. I think it’s time to say goodbye as I think it’s descended into mud slinging. Ive no doubt you’re right about these people and I’ve enjoyed your theories these past few years but it’s time to go. The Mallory and Irvine story has fascinated me for a very long time and your videos have been some of the best content on UA-cam. Thank you (and yes they made it via the zig zag).
You are welcome to leave, but Mark Synnott was just reported in China, so you might check back and see what "mysteries" are resolved this year. There is also the "algorithm." While I understand some people don't like this type of video and I certainly do not like making them, this video has 30,000 views in its first day and I received over 10,000 new subscribers in that same day. It seems people do not like charlatans, but they lack the time to be able to sort out what is true and what is yak dung. But thanks for commenting -- that helps the "algorithm."
Has anyone just all of a sudden became super best friends with certain people that could be blackmailed if a certain camera were found, with all the stories of whose camera it was.... It could be both had a camera....
In The Ghosts Above, when Synnott unclips from the fixed rope, he says he is only going 20 feet (to the Holzel slot). He seems to be minimizing his sin. How far is it actually?
It as about 100 ft. But, as I state In Part 2, that is not where he is going. He goes far over about 300-400ft west and looks at the 8350m snowfield.
Synnott is either in China currently or just got back, so there is something going on. Most likely there will be some type of information forthcoming as Synnott didn't go over there to shop in the museum gift shop.
At 9:04 (Wade Davis?) the sound cuts out. Davis is silent.
Might try a different brewer, or just reload the page. It works fine for me. Davis's audio is a bit hard to make ou because it was recorded in a public lecture, but it is there.
for me the sound is coming out of just one side of my headphone speakers. Maybe you are listening from a single mono channel.
I`ve no reason to doubt Hahn`s sincerity regards George and Sandy, but mid way through that interview clip you hear a person cackling with laughter in the background, it just kind of summed up the whole sordid affair. Also, Michael, a request of sorts, Audrey Salkeld died last November, I wondered if you had any thoughts on her contributions to the `mystery`.
In term of scholarship, Salkeld has the same problem as the other early researchers. She claims to have spend significant time at the Royal Geographic Society Archives. As she lived in England, she has easy access to all the source material. And yet she missed the obvious things that jumped out even on my short time there -- Norton's conflicting accounts, the missing dispatch from Odell, the extensive description of oxygen bottle caching, that Irvine's known ice axe didn't have the "tripple nicks", and the issue of summit rocks -- the Alpine Club having a paperweight created from an Everest rock.
It is also difficult to believe that between Holzel, Hemmleb, and Salkeld, not one of them read John Noel's book about the expedition where he writes what Mallory told him about the route. It is not hidden away in come obscure footnote. It is in the section talking about the final climb and it is difficult to believe that none of them noticed this.
Looking at her other works, they also come across as biased and agenda setting. Her "Portrait of Lena Riefenstahl" shows her obsession with "German Thought." She views National Socialism as this great achievement that was somehow muddied by a cartoonish Hitler. She paints that period as some great renaissance that would have been perfect if it just hadn't been from that childish Hitler and his "racism." -- She was apparently unaware that in 1936, the United States segregated many of its public business facilities (hotels, restaurants) by race. Her main source for her book is Riefenstahl herself, so it is hardly a critical analysis and she buys all the propaganda told her by a master propagandist.
Ultimately, the early misdirections and complete lack of any critical analysis hurt the "mystery" far more than it helped. The Chinese had found Mallory in 1975 and published the location in 1996. It was only a matter of time until someone found the body. However, as she was a somewhat respected author and she worked with Holzel, this gave the charlatan Holzel far more credibility than his "fan fiction" research was worth. Without Salkeld and Holzel, I think the "mystery" would have been solved long ago.
Michael, your narrative is a much needed recreation of something that has become increasingly more difficult to find in our world...FACTS!! Awesome Sir, simply awesome!!! When some folks decide that they will exploit a mystery at all cost for financial gain, the win is to ride the mystery out as long as possible, and treat it like the proverbial cash cow, as once the mystery ends, the interest ends, and the cow is done producing the milk..."God save the Cow at all cost" is there number 1 priority. I'm nothing but an armchair mountaineer...Malory made it, I don't care what anyone says, the Glorious man with the greatest tenacity ever to be instilled in a human being, made it!!!!!! Now he was a man's MAN!!!
"The dog that didn't bark" was a key clue in a Sherlock Holmes story. It seems to me that "the oxygen gear that hasn't been found" might be an important clue to Mallory's and Irvine's adventure, supporting the idea that they went via the zig zag route, which is pretty much unexplored..
Could be. But the Chinese reported finding oxygen equipment at about 8700m -- which would be around the third step. Of course, the "they didn't make it crowd" believes every word from the Chinese except this. I don't really make too much of it, but there is the possibility that Chinese found the equipment -- which means we will never see it.
I was looking for this comment and I've always wondered what happened to the o2 gear. They were relatively large back then. Probably taken in 1960.@@michaeltracy2356
was looking forward to this
I must have missed the details on the pants/underwear. Am I to understand that the body was completely stripped of the pants and the underwear?!! Or, did someone just clip parts of each of them off? Also, I looked up Sunita Hazra, the live climber Thom stepped over assuming she was dead. There's a long interview with her on UA-cam about the it and the Bengali expedition she was on (3 out of the 4 died), but it's not in English. I did, however, find two interesting articles, "Briton Leslie Binns Abandons Everest Peak to Save Fellow Climber" By Mario Cacciottolo & Natasa Simovic, June 2, 2016, and "Deliverance From 27,000 Feet" By John Branch, December, 19, 2017. Thanks for all you do!
They Took His Pants: ua-cam.com/video/tL_RpVe9aXk/v-deo.html
@@michaeltracy2356 UNbelievable. Actually, it's not. By the way, Thom Pollard is mentioned in the second article, "Deliverance From 27,000 Feet," that I mentioned. Thanks for ALL you do!
@@michaeltracy2356😤😤😤😤
they want to find that camera... the pictures and the fame from finding it would be priceless... only way to raise the odds in their favor is to convince everyone that Irvine was removed and defacto his camera and film...
Could be, but they all insist they didn't make it. Finding the camera with some blank film on it is hardly going to make you rich or famous. And why no go with summit rocks as a back up? Perhaps not the same cash as the photos, but it would not be clear who would own the photos in the first place. With how these people treated Mallory, if they did the same to Irvine, the family would sue the crap out of them for the photos.
@@michaeltracy2356 well, people obsessed with money usually dont think that far ahead... if they did make the summit and there were rocks, they took them and sold them to some collector for millions . Of course they say they didnt make it to once again throw everyone off. They would be the only ones who actually know the real truth. Looks like at least one of them made it and they are banking Irvine took the picture of it. That picture would be worth tens of millions to a billionaire, at least.
They dont want to be famous, they just want the cash, secretly.
Mr. Tracy. You may have already covered this in a prior video and I just missed it. I’d love to know the real reason Conrad was denied access to the North side by the Chinese. Thanks for all your hard work on getting the truth out.
I would too. I made a brief video about it but I have no idea why he was denied entry. I just found it curious. I was denied entry in 2015, and they don't give you a reason.
One way or the other, 2024 will be interesting. I look forward to seeing what Conrad Anker and the others have to say now that so much more information is available.
@@michaeltracy2356My guess is you were denied because you are laying the truth out for everyone to see and it’s not just your opinion. You list your sources and encourage people to do their own research. I thought Conrad fell right in Step with whatever narrative was being pushed. Seems he’d be welcomed with open arms. Also, I appreciate your response.
He wrote the Chinese didn't make it in 1960, so that might have something to do with it.
I'm confused. How do we know Thom dug up the body and looted it?
Thom admits digging up the body after it was initially found and that's when the watch etc was found
Because he has publicly stated numerous times that he dug up the body. While he has not used the word "looted," he did take items from the body, such as the watch, the boots, and George Mallory's underwear. The watch and the boots are at the RGS and I have personally seen them. The photo Thom released taken on May 16 shows the boot still on, so logic would dictate the boot was removed some time after that photo was taken. The photo is on page 338 of The Third Pole and clearly states it is from Thom Pollard.
Exactly why are you confused about this issue? Did someone tell you he didn't dig up the body? Who told you that he didn't take items from the grave?
I link to the Alpine Club statement that says he damages the body. Do you think the Alpine Club just made that up? I show the direct text in the Third Pole about him not properly burying the body. What exactly are you confused about?
In public statements, Thom as claimed he found a "note" in Mallory's pocket. No other record of this "note" exists. The papers found in Mallory's pockets on May 1 have been turned in an accounted for. If Thom did find a "note" in Mallory's pocket as he says he did, he as kept it or otherwise disposed of it with no other record of it existing. You should ask Thom what happened with the "note" he claims to have found in Mallory's pockets because it is not with any archive.
@@michaeltracy2356 sorry, it was just a little unclear to me. Sometimes it's hard to follow this drama.
So, are you saying that you think Sandy is still up there, in the location you detailed, and that McGuinness found something at the location but is withholding any info on it?
Been asking publicly for photo of that location since 2017 -- it is directly in my video on the subject. And yet not a single one of them has provided a photo of that area. Can't say what was found there. It was covered in snow in 2018 and they won't release any photos from 2019.
OMG... I feel appalled that
someone else's personal conversation has been hijacked by Pollard.
Makes me mad.
I have just unfollowed Pollard.
Me too but first he blocked me 😂
Pollard lol.
Yep.
He's as silent to this controversy as a mute weasel.
Haha too good 😂
Michael, I really like your videos and you’re a great debunker of lies. That being said, I would love to see a video from you of exactly what you think happened with M&I. I think I have a pretty good idea. Zig zag route, no camera, no 2nd step, summited, died on decent, etc. etc.
I pretty much do that in "The Watch". It gives a pretty detailed timeline of exactly where they were and when they were there. They died at 1:27AM on June 9, 1924 with a fall from the ice axe location suffering from dehydration, exhaustion, and hypoxia. Don't know how much more detail I can give than that.
@@michaeltracy2356 I’ll have to re-watch that. Pun intended.
Can you give us a link to Yeti Academy?
I just put one in the pinned comment reply.
@@michaeltracy2356 Thank you!🥰
How can you step over a living soul to get to the summit is beyond me
TY 🙏🙏. Mr Pollard seems to have been caught up in the fame/publicity/money merry go round.
Aren't Pollard's lies irrelevant to the endgame? Where's Irvine and did they summit? Isn't that what we're after here?
Thom and Company claim Irvine is removed from the mountain and we can all just go home. So, if you want BBC, Nat Geo, Discovery, or some other place to spend the millions of dollars it will take to find and recover Irvine, perhaps it would be best to convince those corporate execs that the Chinese didn't throw him down the mountain like the nice man on UA-cam keeps saying.
@@michaeltracy2356Admittedly I don't know anything about monies involved in Everest. I figured a few guys could just go look for him. If he can't be found he can't be found. I just don't understand the motive(s) for the lying unless they actually know where he is and intend on "finding" him and are trying to throw everyone else looking for him off the scent as it were?
A few guys did go look for him. Numerous times. I went in 2018. But you need to have a low snow year and that means being able to deploy quickly or just put smaller teams on the mountain year after year, as you will get a low snow year about 1/10 of the time.
A good explanation is that they would lie about having found him. They lied in 1999 about having found him to keep it secret until it could be officially released -- just a day or two.
There are other explanations but we are left with the bizarre circumstances that no one from the 2019 teams will release any of their photos of the snow ledge at 8350m. In a heavy snow year, unless you are going to spend significant time clearing snow, you are probably wasting your time.
If they did find them, it is important for people to know that these individuals are not the "heroes" that found him. They deliberately misrepresent things, take credit for stuff they didn't do, and have an extreme bias against Mallory and Irvine having made the summit.
Thus, even if they have found Irvine, exposing their lies is necessary for Mallory and Irvine's actual story to be told. But "Oh, we found him, they tried the Second Step, didn't make it and died" will no longer be accepted by enough people to be passed off.
Their "Chinese removed the body" videos get the most views, so it should hardly be a mystery why they peddle a new version of it every year.
My thoughts exactly!!! That these unsubstantiated, rumor based claims could potentially eopardize funding for future expeditions, let alone damper interest in further searching, leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. But then again, the cynic in has to wonder whether or not that's the point.
Do they serve drinks at the Yeti Academy? I prefer whiskey.
Another nicely done video series.
Anything new for the 100 anniversary of the first summit of Mt.Everest in June?
With all due respect to MT, the discord is kind of a circle jerk unfortunately
Gin and tonic with bitters for me, barman . . .
@@c.vonsohn9566 It can become whatever you make of it, just like most anything in life. That being said, a circle jerk can be a great time provided everyone breaks bread together in the end.
great video. i enjoy your analyses and have unsubscribed from pollard's channel. his content is irritating and the videos feel like clickbait.
I'm eagerly awaiting celebrity boxing Tracy vs. Pollard. I'm 100% Tracy.
Great video! Thom always seemed disingenuous to me and is someone who’s always trying to keep himself front and center of whatever BS interview that he does. The bullshit meter always seems to be pegged in the red whenever he talks. I work in entertainment and I’m surrounded by fake people or people who pretend for a living, but that guy brings new meaning to the word, fake. Keep doing what you’re doing Michael, it’s great work! Cheers!
Not directly related to this video but given all of the firsts--gender, nationality, etc.--has anyone ascended one side and descended another?
Yes, first time was Horbein and Unsold. I cover it in the Great Climbs video on the 1963 climb -- also first real ascent of the North side of mountain with American's beating Chinese to their own summit by 12 years.
Thanks. I'll check it out. @@michaeltracy2356
You even would agree!!! The bottom line is someone needed to get to that area search . Double check the group from Discovery. Discovery needed to check it out if they were sent there. And China needed to go there if they went up to the site.
All had to happen. And history needs records.
Although the first search didn't find everything, Hahn stuck to his word, by disturbing him once, tried to piece the story together and then commited Mallory's body to the earth. No messing and no foolery.
We'll all have to agree to disagree forever more on what happened that fateful day Mallory and Irvine took a leap of faith, but things certainly could have been planned better, and by the team simply putting everything on show from day 1 it would have made this whole 💩 show disappear.
Lets hope if they do what we think they are going to do this year, they get it right from the start and do it justice.
Yes this a passionate narrative. But that does NOT invalidate its claim to objectivity. Science is all about the passionate pursuit of truth. And no one is forcing anyone to believe or dismiss Tracy's work.
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Facts
The truth is always repeated a lie is always different
Speaking of stealing from the living, wouldn’t this whole crusade of trying to prove Mallory and Irvine were the first to summit Everest be considered stealing from the living while Tenzing Norgay and Sir Edmund Hillary were alive? And wouldn’t you think it’s even more unfair now trying to steal it from the dead?
Considering the descent from the summit of Everest is the most dangerous part of the ordeal wouldn’t it be fair to acknowledge that even though there is some remote possibility that Mallory and Irvine did summit, only Norgay and Hillary were successful in that effort among them 4?
Imagine conquering the beast that is her highness Everest at a time when equipment was sparse, all the way up and making it successfully down alive (!) just to have a whole group of people most of them who’ve never been nor will ever go to the Himalayas much less attempt to climb them, discuss and argue about how Mallory and Irvine were the first!
So making it down doesn’t count? Human arrogance at its peak.
It's just a mountain.
@@michaeltracy2356 If it’s just a mountain why does it matter if Mallory and Irvine or Tenzing and Hillary or the Yeti climbed it first?
@@bojanaaa It doesn't. These videos are about critical thinking, deception, and what it means to be human. Watching the videos and thinking they are about Mallory and Irvine is like reading Animal Farm and thinking it is about a bunch of talking pigs.
When china closed the north , for cleaning, during the olympics, werent you there , in 2008? Mr. Tracy
No. I was there 2013 and 2018. I was denied entry in 2015, the Mountain got upset out it and had the earthquake.
@@michaeltracy2356 Ok, thanks for the clarification! I already knew that, but , the other day, I watched one of Jake Norton's , videos, and he had said you were up there ,with two other climbers, and I swore he said 2008, maybe I misheard him, sorry about that! The video was : Everest Searches 1999-2019 / edit at 3:38 of that video, Jake does say 2008, so I did go back and check!
Just unfollowed Pollarrd. Thank you for content!
Welcome aboard!
Would another group move Irvine to prevent him from being pilfered and picked over like Mallory was?
Or
Would he be moved around in order to stall for time? As in
Do an expedition in 2024 and just 'stumble' onto Irvine exactly 100yrs after he was 'lost' on Everest?
There are a variety of different groups looking. Assuming the worst, they would remove the body to cover up what they did -- which would be to rob the body and keep everything for themselves. People do this with looted art and artifacts all the time. No reason to believe Everest is any different than any other archeological site on the planet.
Assuming Irvine was not moved/burried/etc, wherever he is most likely is covered is snow most of the time. It is unlikely someone would just stumble across him unless it was during a very low snow year.
However, it is best to stick to what we do know. Jamie McGuinness visited the 8350m location in 2012 and took pictures. He will not release them. Mark Synnott visited the 8350m location in 2019 and had a camera with him. He has not stated whether he took photos, and, of course, has not released any. Mark Synnott specifically called me up and talked to me about that location prior to his expedition.
There were multiple drone flights in 2019 and no detail photos of that area have been released despite Mark Synnott writing in his book they would be released at the museum exhibit -- the exhibit came and went -- no photos.
Based on all the secrecy and mystery around one very specific location on the mountain which just happens to be below the ice axe, probably the mystery and secrecy is not because there is nothing there.
@@michaeltracy2356 i didnt consider the idea that somebody would would be that awful to do a smash&grab on Irvine just to keep or even sell personal effects/evidence
Then again it was done to Mallory.
As much as I criticize the handing of Mallory, there are people far worse. But the main problem with the people involved with Mallory is not what they did in 1999. It is the 25 years of secrets and lies that I am most critical of. No one expects perfection at 27,000 ft. But after 25 years, the ever changing stories, the deliberately false information (i.e. the cooker rolling down hill), and their attacking of anyone who merely asks "tough questions" is what bothers me most.
Can’t stand lies
Did you have any information from the sherpas?
There’s information missing from your videos
There were no sherpas there when Mallory was re-discovered by Conrad Anker on May 1st. Nor were there Sherpas there when Thom dug the body up and photographed the face.
My videos do not contain a listing of the periodic tables of elements nor any number of other pieces of scientific information. However, if there is some relevant information to the subject, perhaps just state what it is rather than playing coy and having people wonder if you are just a troll.
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Can't really steal from the dead.
In most countries, it is illegal, and they made a video game and movie called Tomb Raider -- which is about stealing from the dead.
I have a lot questions to Sherpa outbursts? Maybe you want enlighten me as well on outburst directed at Ueli Steck, John Griffith and others in 2017?
Sounds like they were out of line?
They should reflect how lucky they are!!
I would like to see no inexperienced ever guided on the mountain again!!!!
Commercialized ascents dry up and then they can reflect. Guides from other countries in the world have gone into and continue to go teach them skills involved with climbing. Yet I get a sense they want to take it over or demand they are included in everything.
There is the basic conflict under a lot of these -- Sherpas climb for a living. So when Messner, or Steck, or another high profile climber comes and wants to do things without Sherpas, we all look on that with admiration. And the Sherpas look on it with utter contempt.
It is like going over to someone's house for dinner and than insisting that you cook your own food.
There is a just a reality of climbing in the Himalayans. All the calls to remove "amateur" climbers and just have people do it themselves without any Sherpa support just piss off the Sherpas. If you want to go there by yourself do it Messner in 1980 -- not a single person on the mountain. Don't go to the standard base camp with hundreds of sherpas carrying supplies putting in ladders and fixing ropes, climb up to the where the ropes aren't fixed yet and start to fix the ropes for the camera.
It is just basic human respect that a person has a job, they want to do that job, and be recognized for the skill they bring. None of these "professional climbers" respect that. They have never worked a day in their life, and for a class of people who work hard every single day, there is going to be some resentment.
Good job exposing this Tom Liar
What the exact issues with the Sherpas? You made 3 videos and didn’t explain what the Sherpas we’re allowed or not allowed to do or go versus where sherpas did.
Furthermore if sherpa were requested to aid the team to the summit that’s not even an issue.
Are you saying the sherpas were asked to cross the border into china and follow the team.
Or the sherpas took it upon themselves and follow team? Or they would not let Mark or the team separate from them ( sherpas ) ?
Yes you included film and pictures but excluded so much information.
Include a map with
Irving and Mallory’s route
99 route finding Mallory
2019 search for Irving
Borderline In which Nepal sherpas could not go
“Hypothetical “ route they maybe have gone ?
Mark’s deviation separation from the team and travel, his route?
All overlaying one map, different colors and labels point out what, how, where, when and why the controversy exists.
Three videos of he said versus he said but never outline the controversy.
So the sherpas went somewhere they were not supposed to?
Or Mark went somewhere he wasn’t supposed to?
Or team and sherpas together went somewhere they were not supposed?
What exactly is bothering you?
They cross the Chinese border?
Or you think they found Irving and didn’t report it?
Or they didn’t find Irving and wish they did?
Correct me if I’m wrong? Mark says no Irving and Chinese government says no Irving.
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Mike . You are not responding to this comment? Why not?
Har har mhadev
Tom stop all the lies
Hi Michael, I understand that you do not suffer fools?
It is more my. disappointment in my own personal failures. I like to think these videos are about more than just knowing some obscure information about and expedition and that they present a way to look at deception and not be fooled. But it appears that is just my own naive thinking.
@@michaeltracy2356I had this long diatribe prepared for this response. I was angry at your pettiness, and then I realized that you did me a favor. Your discord channel is toxic and I have some advice for you. You are not right about everything, and the sooner you realize this and have some humility the sooner your discord group will be an actual team. I sincerely wish you luck in your endeavors. I think you have some great information for people here on UA-cam to digest and you also have some very smart people on your channel, do some team building and build some trust so that people can actually voice their opinions without being banned.
This slew of videos is so bad it’s laughable 😂
thom pollard is a monster