An Evening with Knowing Better
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- There hasn't been a match-up like this since when Abraham Lincoln debated Frederick Douglass in the famous Lincoln-Douglass debates which ended the English Civil War.
I have a list of questions for @KnowingBetter - bring your own, too!
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"You can't just kill people for not wanting to make chocolate."
-Knowing Better, patriot and risk-taker
Tshirt idea?? Excellent conversation starter. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
it's genuinely shocking how little labor history was taught. I tell my coworkers all the time that people fought and died for their mandatory breaks that they skip and their overtime, and they'll laugh but I'm being dead serious! always glad to see two history educators dump on military history too lol
History is critical to understand… but be very wary to get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Agree. Not taught in detail enough.
There's a reason for that, you know. The powers that be don't want you to remember the power that labor has, because it's a threat to their own power. So they'll do their best to hide it, whitewash it, and rewrite history, and when laborers start to rise up again, they absolutely will demonized the workers, sow disinformation and lies, turn public opinion against them, and infiltrate the movement to sabotage it.
Prussian school system. We are trained to be obedient workers and not challenge the status quo.
Military history is cool though, even though a lot of it is made up bullshit. Reading accounts of battles is like listening to a monday morning quarterback lmao
Seeing Knowing Better off script is wild. I also love watching Atun-Shei live steams because you are so good at vamping until people are comfortable. A good host. Also, your bathroom is through Jefferson Davis' crypt? *chef's kiss*
He’s shitting on the rebs
It was wild, Atun shei is a manic crazy artist, while KB is a depressive crazy veteran. They both have given me deeper understanding into their methodologies, and I love them both.
I mean if I could I’d piss on the grave of Jefferson Davis everyday
KB’s story of getting organized is basically my story of getting into history.
I was awake at like 2 AM reading Wookiepedia, like 6 hyperlinks deep, reading about some Mandalorian leader in a war set centuries or even millennia before the movies and realized “wait, what if I did this with real people?”
And since that night at like 16 I’ve been obsessed with history.
Did you eventually learn how you were wrong about that one thing about how the empire collapsed, or are you still a furry?
@@DaDARKPass the hell?
@@Jessie_Helms I shall always remember you for your sh*tty take on how the collapse of the empire was somehow "ruined" because it happened all at once, and that'll all I remember you for! Muhahahahaha! >:)
@@DaDARKPass
1) I still stand by the fact it’s laughably absurd that the empire fail months. No world spanning empire in history has fallen like that, much less to a rebellion. It’s completely unrealistic and bad writing.
2) I’ve never been a furry so idk where that part came from
read up on the cocniclium of constance
That ended the big catholic chuch schism.
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Its a ridiculous story of a conference of most of christendom, that went on for years, deciding the fate of europe, while everybody scrambled to make a career out of it.
A pope riding in on a gilded horse, and fleeing in a stable boys rags a few months later.
A heretic dissident firs being invited, granted free passage, even holding church services and intellectual discussions - only to be publicly burnt later. An emperors whore leading and coordinating a whole cardinal group.
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Its a ridiculous dense european history moment.
This was fascinating, seeing Knowing Better off script. Nice to hear a shout-out for 3 Arrows, too.
What a pleasant couple of hours.
Funny part about the “Some More News and John Oliver made similar videos portion”: both scripts likely had roots in Cracked.
After Cracked fell apart, Cody Johnson went on to create Some More News, while Daniel O’Brien is one of the writers for Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.
Oh shit, I've watched a lot of Some More News and totally thought I recognized that guy!! Back in the day when Cracked was awesome, good times.
@@KingofCrusher I ended up on UA-cam and Twitter when Cracked fell apart, just so I could keep up with people like Cody Johnston, Katy Stoll, Robert Evans, and Jason Pargin (AKA "David Wong" from Cracked)
Don't forget about The Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards.
I watched some of KB's earlier videos a few years ago, and was very happy to see the turn that he had made of late and am glad to hear this explanation. He's always had great production and good topics and his content is super shareable. I love seeing this collab from two awesome creators.
Something I think is cool is that he essentially answered why it is history teachers tend to be progressive. KB did real research about topics that he wasn't as informed on and learning these things in history bring out the compassionate side of him. The idea that national guard soldiers were told to go and kill striking workers is terrible and KB was able to resonate with that
I love these guys content. Racism is hard to tackle and it's even worse to deal with. As a white guy i've stuck my foot in my mouth so many times over racism and history. It's an interesting topic and i respect you 2 for doing it in a responsible way.
Love conquers hatred always
@@kylelapointe2289 hypothetical scenario, you’re dealing with someone that is mentally ill. Would you rather use love to treat that or hatred. The answer is pretty common sense to me. I’ve used it in my own life to a successful degree and with most racists you’re dealing with someone who doesn’t know how to love oneself so how do you expect them to stop being racist
@@kylelapointe2289 no youre wrong :' (
@@hamcrazy96 I wish that was even close to true
@@overtherenowaitthere unfortunately, he isn't. It isn't love that's defeated hatred so far, it's only when the complacent masses that allowed the hatred to fester in the first place realize that they're going to be next on the scapegoat list that enough of those masses grow a spine and put in just enough blood to beat the hatred back down to a simmer but never actually fix the underlying issues fuelling the regrowth of hatred as those issues would mean changing the systemic status quo that benefits the middle classes on the coat tails of the coroprate aristocracy.
After all these years, I am only now finding out that I had KB absolutely pegged with "the cool, young social studies teacher energy" from the first video. I can't believe I ever doubted myself.
I love the simple fact that the bathroom door is marked by Jefferson Davis’ tombstone. It makes me giggle a bit knowing Atun Shei was literally shitting on his grave
Atun-Shei could play Ian Malcolm in the next reboot of Jurassic Park.
I'm sure of it.
I 100% agree!
As a disabled person, the assembly line model of American schooling is a hell scape. There needs to be the teaching of facts but a lot more needs to change.
The slow coming together of the various history vloggers is great. I'm enjoying the heck out of it.
it’s a new niche community and i love it
I actually found Atun-Shei as a Checkmate Lincolnites recommendation on a Knowing Better vid. Their Lost Cause content has opened the whole educational youtube sphere for me!
The first Atun-Shei video recommended to me was the one on gods & generals, and I had never even heard of the movie and had no particular interest in the American Civil War. I thought "omg, someone actually made a 40 minute video about a stupid cash-grab mobile game and why its racist, I'll put this on in the background, this will be funny" but got hooked on the narration and learned some interesting stuff. Since that day in the early summer of 2020, I am a big fan of your channel and have developed an interest in ACW history because of it.
You guys have both had a bigger impact on the world than you give yourselves credit for. Wonderful video and interesting conversation as always :D
Was a pleasure watching the stream. The ending was pure gold from Atun-Shei.
A relative was a very prolific writer who wrote everything with a fountain pen. He said it was because 'the hardness of the marble makes the sculpture'. There's something paradoxical that the imposition of constraints can increase creativity in art and thought while their absence smothers it.
Profound but im too uninformed about the artistic process to confirm.
I hate to tell you, he was lying.
As a fountain pen user it’s purely because they look awesome and i spent all my money on ink so I gotta use it!
@@leontrotsky9268 Hahaha, you're probably right.
Saw this come up and immediately stashed what I was watching in "watch later" and hopped over. I love these collab lives!
He was joking about it, but I'd love to see a series of Atun Shei interviewing other creators.
KB seems much more uncomfortable on a live stream compared to scripted. Wild how producing content differently can have you still be nervous in certain ways.
What's wild about that? Your conflating the person with their job, which is a mistake. When he's doing his videos he's playing multiple roles. On a live stream, he can't hide behind a role, but must be cautious because of the irratic behaviour of people on social media. Go figure.
@BigHenFor 1. *you're
2. Bro chill I litterally wasn't even talking about him specifically, I immediately generalized my statement. I didn't in any way conflate his worth with his job. Don't be the irratic behavior on social media that you describe.
@@pr3historic647 nuh uh! yro'ue*
This was fun as hell. Opened it yesterday thinking "oh, these guys are both awesome, but I don't know when I'm gonna want to hear an hour of bullshitting" but here I was working off an hangover and it was GREAT.
I just discovered Atun-Shei's channel like three days ago, and I've been binge-watching it ever since! Your intelligence, deep research, and offbeat humor are non pareil (pardon my French). I can't wait till your movie comes out next week. I may be your biggest fan now & wish you nothing but success!
I’ve always put some trust in KB since I first watched, his research and perspective seemed thorough and honest.
This makes me feel good about putting that trust in.
So of note, both the star of Some More News and the head writer of John Oliver both worked together at Cracked
Still buck wild DOB and the John Oliver writers brought home the writing Emmy. They got that one right
And they also worked with Robert Evans of Behind The Bastards fame at Cracked if I've got my timelines correct.
@@Kameth Yes indeedy
"Based, as the kids say" man, I'm old enough to remember that saying is actually 10+years old. People were saying it alongside "Swag"
I was in the Cool Beans generation
I don't know about knowing better, but Atun you're from The Great State of Louisiana you sir are not a Yankee nor a Yankee doodle. You sir are a Scali Wag and you're the one that taught me the meaning of that word.
From another fellow Scali Wag please gentlemen keep up the phenomenal work you are both truly an example of what historical UA-cam can be.
Love your work hope this long comment helps with the algorithm that rules us all.
I *think* that KB mentioned in an early video that he lives in Texas, but I'm not 100% now that I'm typing it out.
I know he lives in Louisiana now, but I think Atun is originally from Massachusetts, so he is a yankee, and isn’t the term for a Yankee that moves south a Carpetbagger?
Thank you for bringing up the Irish white/not white legacy. My grandmother was half Irish/half Hispanic, and did not think of herself as white at all but now it's been a controversy in my family for 2 generations whenever we fill out forms that ask for racial identity. This a real argument my aunts and uncles have had my whole life.
I'll weigh in with my non American opinion. America's obsession with race to the point of having to fill it out on forms is abnormal as fuck.
I’ve spent so long this last year with these two guys
Hearing the KB turn explanation really strongly reminds me of Mike Duncan's turn after doing his Haitian revolution series.
Both of y'all make amazing content. Thanks and I hope you keep up the amazing work!
I have always had an easy time remembering new facts but what I find really difficult is editing those remembered facts when I find out they are wrong or misleading. When I find UA-camrs like these I'm always hesitant to get into them as there are a lot of baddies out there. So having these chats to look at to vet out the personality of these creators is so valuable. Now I know I can binge a couple more educators.
Love both of these channels.
Top rate content and production. I would love to have these guys as personal friends, to hang out with over a couple of beers. Thanks for all the videos.
Two of my favorite worlds collide. Thanks.
my first Knowing Better was about the Missouri Compromise line and my first Atun-shei was the Sudbury Fight and I'm so happy that both of you are active and producing ever more interesting content
I legitimately miss the live-action intro before the animated one
I rarely remember why i noticed a channel, but with KB i'm positive that it was his Ship of Theseus video about the Party switch.
Atun Shei was probably one of the first 3 Checkmate Lincolnites or the Gettysburg video.
I saw the cross-over, and I was like “YES, I will watch this.”
amazing watching Atun-Shei become star-strucked by a fellow YTer.
Chaos is a ladder.... I'm running with this.
Been watching both for a long time and a huge inspiration.
Ultimate crossover
53:28 oh man. Bobby Broccoli is amazing. Highly recommend his very well-researched documentaries.
Both of these guys have phenomenal content.
Great interview! Very interesting and thoroughly enjoyable. Thank you guys!
Liking and interacting with the crossover I didn’t know I needed
Missed the stream: I’d honestly love to see a video deep diving into Florida history, and the difficulties of moderation in terms of addictive behavior.
What areas of Florida history are you curious about and want to see? I agree that Florida is extremely dynamic and fascinating!
What GigaChads! Love both of your channels! I rarely enjoyed these types of videos, but this was an absolute pleasure- thanks gents!
Idk why but it’s really cool to hear KB namedrop CGP Grey with such reverence. I feel like when it comes to research and informative content, Vsauce and CGP are the titans of that niche
>CGP Grey
>titan of research and informative content
The dude literally just parrots Wikipedia and pophistory books. What are you on about?
@@jedihunter176 I need you to go watch “A dead person ruined my life . . . again” and tell me he parroted Wikipedia, thanks.
The man is amazingly well known for doing copious amounts of research, you aren’t interesting for disliking him.
Two fine UA-cam people who are so synergistic together! Say what you wish about the flaws of the medium, but your influence is so magnified 🔎 and socially beneficial, please continue to fight the good fight. Be well, wishing successful projects for the future to you both. 🤞😉
Great conversation guys. Every day life during the civil war on both sides has been mostly passed over.
Reconstruction is another part of history that has been passed over. I agree with KB the battles are the biggest events when learning about the civil war era.
Love that the early years of this country is being explored and someone is giving voice to the views from native Americans and non native Americans.
Thank you.
I watch both of your channels. You both present your information and ideas in an entertaining way.
Great meet up guys. I’m a fan of both of you.
I'm glad that this livestream reminded me to donate to Wikipedia! Thanks Mr Beat!
This is the kind of content I’m always excited for! Love both of these channels!
Well I've been watching you both for years, muahahahaha! You're both great at presenting facts and explaining things without mansplaining too much. Love you guys!
KB, I hope you see this. I thoroughly enjoy your channel. I'm a fellow nasty girl, consider myself to be a history buff, and tend to lean more right politically. Your channel challenges me and opens my mind to many perspectives. Thank you for what you do!
This are actually two of my favorite UA-camrs ever!
Very nice... both of them have excellent education content. And actually the only channels (besides Hbomberguy) I have the 🔔 on.
P.S.: At ca. 1:40:35 you're talking about only a small percentage of people leave comments under the videos. As I see at, it makes no sense after 250 comments to leave a comment of my own because no one will read it anyway. Normally I'm searching a comment on the top with a couple of likes and I'm just commenting under that. At least someone will reply and if I'm lucky I have a conversation about that topic.
The thoughts around 1:45 about reading negative stuff online then wandering around in public realizing someone wrote that - I feel like that's been the biggest strain social media has put on my personal relationships, because folks will be polite to your face, but then you see them just post the most bigoted, uninformed gross takes on thier accounts, like they think no one is reading them (or worse, maybe they think everyone "secretly" agrees with them?) and I don't know how I can even talk to them anymore? I had to cut off so many family and friends because it was hurtful to see them posting things in a public forum they would be embarrassed to say at a social gathering.
Cody and Katy worked at Cracked with Daniel O'Brien, who's now one of John Oliver's writers, so it's possible they go about creating in the same way and that created the resulting similarities in the MLK videos.
Thanks to you and KB for what you do, and for sharing your creator experiences. I am producing a podcast (I know, white guy moment) about UN peacekeeping, and it really helps to be reminded that *expecting* to go big is unhealthy and characteristic of perhaps unsavory people.
Thank you again, both for the great informational content, and for opening up personally.
Three Arrows still does content, he just does it on his podcast channel, The Iron Dice.
Omg! Two of my favorite ever channels teaming up! 🙏
Awesome two of my favorite creators, sweet!
I married my HS boyfriend we're still together almost twenty years later. But I also wouldn't say I peaked in HS by *any* metric. I don't think we (humans) "peak" and then decline. We have memories from all over our lives, and we hold on to the ones that shape us in ways that we want to be shaped.
Also, as far as being little copies of our parents, I would say that you do have control over it- you can choose to cultivate the parts of your parents that are admirable and forgive the parts that are flawed. My mom broke a cycle of abuse from her parents and grandparents, and I respect the hell out of her for that. There's a lot of baggage, but its totally possible to be different.
56:53 for anyone interested in what the angry Columbus comment was
This was awesome. Much respect to both of you.
the real columbus is closer to being a TF2 character than what is depicted
It’s like Twix, two great things come together. You guys could be a sitcom. The Odd Couple 2023.
@@oedipamaas2067that is an indication of the fall of civilization.
What a great conversation between two UA-camrs I really admire. I especially appreciate the deep conversation from about 1:19:35 onward.
(LONG LIVE IMPERATOR BIDEN MAGNVS)
BIDENUS MAXIMUS, FILIUS DEI ET REX OMNIUM BONARUM RERUM
@@sammoblammo5810 See, Carl? That Latin class _was_ worth it!
Funny calling Biden Imperator, like the Founding fathers were fan boys of roman culture or something. Which means that all presidents of the United States should be called Imperator as Head of the Armed Forces in the US.
I caught a tiny chunk of this but I'm looking forward to hearing this conversation
31:00 for me the paint creek strike where owners sent a literal armoured train to fire on a worker and family camp is just mind blowing
3 Arrows does The Iron Dice podcast. He's still active, just on a differnt channel.
3 Arrows is pretty levelheaded. He's fun to watch.
fantastic stream, love both of your channels
That was such an amazing story from KB about Fallout 4. An amazing way to open the stream.
My two favorite creators !!! Awesome
Head canon: Knowing Better's real name is Knevin Bacon
Less than 9 mins into the video, it occurs to me that I'm not sure if I'm subscribed to KB's channel... Pausing this briefly to make sure that I am... I like his sincere and authentic personality, and the care that he approaches everything... I find it very vindicating to my own OCD-mandated ways...!! 🤪 😜
The crossover episode I didnt know I needed
I was very large in middle ane high school. It took me a long time to get over the hate I had internalized. But at some point I realized the brain inside my head, however unique it is, is bound by the same fears, hopes, aspirations, as anyone else's brain. However differently we manifest those things, we are all human. However much I hated some things about me, they hate some things about themselves. And we all just go about our lives, thinking everyone else thinks the same negative thoughts we think.
So I try to smile. And chat. And make people comfortable, everywhere I go. Because if they feel anything like I used to, my God. I just want them to feel better.
And maybe I'm thinking too deep. Maybe no one is like me. But from what I've gathered, we're all insecure. And that isn't what society is about. We should feel most secure when we have others around us. But our awareness of our flaws makes us paranoid.
"I've been following you creepily for years! Sometime even on the computer!"
Encyclopedias are never intended as First hand Citations anywhere in any discussion.
Pointing to Encyclopedia as a First source is like Pointing to a Catalogue of retailer like Sears or Ikea and then said that "This product must be in stock at my local sears/ikea at this very moment", where it could be false because they're not First hand sources
It's great for "Oh Sears sells a White couch' but not "Oh the Sears at 35th street sells white couch and have 55 of them on stock"
This was awesome! Love ya KB!
Although it's fairly obvious from his content, it's reassuring to hear how meticulous KB is in his research.
Unappreciated history podcast : History of Africa, History Unwritten and History of China.
Oh how I wish I was a native English speaking guy with an American accent making educational videos on UA-cam 🥺
I love accents! Which one do you have?
@@TheTroutyness German! I feel like German accents are uniquely awful but that might be a bit biased haha.. :D
I think the German accent sounds really nice.
@@algepaca dw about your accent! If you want to make history videos, make them!
Thank all of you for your kind words, it's very encouraging :)
PLEASE DO THIS AGAIN BUT NEXT TIME TWICE AS LONG KTHNX
I never watched streams, but for you two, I will.
J.J. Is the coolest Canadian Citizen I have ever met and I want him to know that even if C11 passes us Americans will watch his content regardless of what “patriotic” and “Culturally Authentic” Canadian standards he meets, or even fail to meet as long as he makes what he is passionate about.
much love from VA, Mike Preston, watch out form me in the news during the 2030s and 2040s when I start to run for state and federal office
A livestream with atun-shei and Dr Heather cox Richardson would be the most ducky thing ever.
Man that thing about Sagadahoc... as a Mainer, that was my time, and I wasn't here to shine.
knowingbetter is my calm, rational, affable historytube dad. andy is my crazy historytube uncle
Lindybeige, my other crazy uncle.
As a "48 Stater", baby, I resent the arrogance of the "the limit is what we have" crowd. If the US had that attitude when I was born, Alaska and Hawaii would still be territories, and the US flag would be very retro.
Advice for KB and anyone else with similar thoughts about the National Guard being ordered to shoot and kill striking workers: keep that in mind if/when the Railroad Strike materializes in the near future. It may become very relevant again in a hurry.
Love both of these creators! Wish I could’ve seen the stream
I love that other nerds write in notebooks in color coded nonsense like I do. Bless ye, boys.
I've had the same 2 friends from elementary school. Picked up 2 more guys right after high school. We've had the same group chat going for like 12 years. We don't text eachother directly anymore.
Well thanks, due to you two now I trust nothing I've ever been taught and know that I don't know anything about my own country's actual history :p
How do you manage to be entertaining, educational, and depressing all at the same time?!
Commenting to satiate the Algorithmic Lord. Great stream! With actual content instead of people reaching to find something to talk about. Really enjoyed it.
Also, yes, NT is Taiwan's currency. The person super chatted probably wasn't a Taiwanese native, with the obviously English-sounding name, but he's (I'm assuming it's "he" bc of his name) probably working or studying in Taiwan?
NT stands for New Taiwan Dollar if anyone's interested. Decades ago, there used to be the original Taiwan Dollar, which crashed in hyper-inflation, and the authoritarian government at the time just abolished it and converted to the new one. Et voilà, the New Taiwan Dollar. Problem solved.
Bobby brocoli makes very good story behind science videos. I like his videos about the canceled Superconducting Super Collider and Hendrix Schön.
1:13:50 I'd partly disagree. The most useful course I took in college (which should be available in grade school) was Logical Fallacies. Topical, entertaining, and once you learn them, they'll start popping out at you everywhere.
Understanding confirmation bias is the other thing that should be taught way earlier.
Thing is, some parents don’t want their kids to be taught critical thinking. It makes parenting harder when you can’t appeal to authority your way out of conflict.
At least argument ad baculum is less of a tool now. We still give our kids “time outs” and deny them screen time and other punishments as a way to encourage or discourage behavior, though, so it’s not like there is no stick.
@@Justanotherconsumer and the biggest elephant in that room is definitely the protection scam syndicates calling themselves religion...
The popping at you everywhere is also because some logical fallacies aren't fallacies. Slippery slope has been proven true plenty of times of instance.
Yeah I didn’t agree with KB there either, when I was in school doing History the first thing we were taught was to analyse a source along the lines of: when was it written? Who wrote it? Who was the intended audience? Etc. When you start viewing historical content through that lens you’ve learnt a useful skill.
Holy shit, it's the two of them!
Bruh, wait till 50. I've been 50 for a year and a half, and its STILL surreal. Its not like I thought I would never reach 50, its that it always seemed SO FAR in the future.
I thought I was going to die at 30 and am 44 now and it's really screwed up my perspective.