Is it true that Saladin and Richard the Lionheart had a sort of a mutual respect and perhaps even a somewhat friendly relationship? There is that famous event where Richards horse was killed by arrows in combat and Saladin ordered a horse be brought to Richard because a king should not be without one.
So interesting! I'll definitely pick up a copy of that book, love your reading recommendations. Thank you for sharing this passage. It seems like the most sensible and level headed Franks (especially those born in the levant) had some knowledge of Arabic (i.e. Reginald of Sidon, Balian of Ibelin etc.) and an understanding of the reality of the region. I think that made them a lot more effective, both in battle and in the administration of the kingdom. I think a certain level of mutual respect between the crusader and muslim leaders would have been necessary for long term survival of the kingdom. It doesn't mean that it would have allowed for peaceful relationships, but considering that the population of the kingdom always remained overwhelmingly muslim, it couldn't have hurt. I so wish we could find William of Tyre's lost account of muslim history. That'd be an amazing read.
When both are strong enought to deal some meaningful damage to each other they had to, at the very least, respect the power of their enemy. And maybe some friendships could develop during the peace.
Right?! It's an amazing primary source account. Just like Saladin's respect for Balian, you could have both sides profoundly divided by the holy war, but there were still instances of reciprocity.
I've had a (very) few saracen friends myself, but I find it more and more difficult for it to be possible as they are growing in numbers, they get on my nerves and I can less and less distinguish them individually.
There is a reason for that and its found in multiple places among Isam's books. Best source to learn the ins and outs of Islam is David Wood on Ytube channel Acts17Apologetics.
I agree that if two opponents see the common traits of strength and bravery in each other they can indeed earn each other's respect. This was definitely the case with Richard the Lionheart and Saladin, Alexander the Great and King Porous of India, Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris.... ;)
So I just went and checked out the Arabic version and Usama said: "دخلت المسجد الأقصى و فيه الداوية و هم أصدقائي", he describes the Templars as "Asdiqaa'i" which in Arabic means "my friends", there are other words in Arabic which means my friends like "رفقائي Rofaqaa'ii" and "أصحابي Ashaabi" but the word he chose to describe his relationship to the Templars was "أصدقائي Asdiqaa'ii" is the one which means close friend, the others could just mean something in the lines of: "the people who accompany me"
Interesting, I appreciate the contribution. So it sounds like Usama considered these Templars actual friends? Men he trusted and enjoyed spending time with?
@@RealCrusadesHistory well in that passage he doesn't give any specific details about the nature of his "friendship" with the templars but the term "Asdiqaa'i" could very well imply that
A great job RCH; the nuance of history is unfortunately lost much of the time in the grandeur of the endeavor. A much needed video imo and hopefully the starting point of more like it to come showing the shades of grey during this period.
Hitti is a scholar of medieval Islam and I have no doubt that his translation, which I'm using, is top notch. I learned the Arabic alphabet years ago, but I haven't gone any farther with the language than that. Perhaps someday I will.
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Nope looked up the source and it indeed happened its just vaugely worded as his a diplomat so calling his "enemy" as friend is quite normal in an unstable environment even he even found some lifestyle choics of the "franks" as "fine" even though most of what he said is mostly negative.
Is it true that Saladin and Richard the Lionheart had a sort of a mutual respect and perhaps even a somewhat friendly relationship? There is that famous event where Richards horse was killed by arrows in combat and Saladin ordered a horse be brought to Richard because a king should not be without one.
They did respect each other as enemies, but the horse story is a myth.
So interesting! I'll definitely pick up a copy of that book, love your reading recommendations. Thank you for sharing this passage. It seems like the most sensible and level headed Franks (especially those born in the levant) had some knowledge of Arabic (i.e. Reginald of Sidon, Balian of Ibelin etc.) and an understanding of the reality of the region. I think that made them a lot more effective, both in battle and in the administration of the kingdom.
I think a certain level of mutual respect between the crusader and muslim leaders would have been necessary for long term survival of the kingdom. It doesn't mean that it would have allowed for peaceful relationships, but considering that the population of the kingdom always remained overwhelmingly muslim, it couldn't have hurt.
I so wish we could find William of Tyre's lost account of muslim history. That'd be an amazing read.
When both are strong enought to deal some meaningful damage to each other they had to, at the very least, respect the power of their enemy.
And maybe some friendships could develop during the peace.
This is actually beautiful.
Right?! It's an amazing primary source account. Just like Saladin's respect for Balian, you could have both sides profoundly divided by the holy war, but there were still instances of reciprocity.
I've had a (very) few saracen friends myself, but I find it more and more difficult for it to be possible as they are growing in numbers, they get on my nerves and I can less and less distinguish them individually.
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There is a reason for that and its found in multiple places among Isam's books. Best source to learn the ins and outs of Islam is David Wood on Ytube channel Acts17Apologetics.
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@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Nein! He is extremely a conceited and deceiving man.
when i read the title i knew it's about Osama ibn Monqith, it's shocked me when i read it and i still remeber it.
I agree that if two opponents see the common traits of strength and bravery in each other they can indeed earn each other's respect. This was definitely the case with Richard the Lionheart and Saladin, Alexander the Great and King Porous of India, Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris.... ;)
Indeed,human were created in different races to get to know one another....
Peace be to all my fellow human kind.
As salam mu alai kom. 🙂
Thanks for that! An interesting insight.
People in the old days had honor and respect. Even towards the enemies.
Very interesting my friend
فديو جميل جداً (Very beautiful video)
I've actually read the text and although yes he does condemn the "franks" often he also some times shows respect and positivity towards them.
He clearly hated and resented the Franks, but yes, he did have some respect for them as well. Human beings are full of contradictions.
So I just went and checked out the Arabic version and Usama said: "دخلت المسجد الأقصى و فيه الداوية و هم أصدقائي", he describes the Templars as "Asdiqaa'i" which in Arabic means "my friends", there are other words in Arabic which means my friends like "رفقائي Rofaqaa'ii" and "أصحابي Ashaabi" but the word he chose to describe his relationship to the Templars was "أصدقائي Asdiqaa'ii" is the one which means close friend, the others could just mean something in the lines of: "the people who accompany me"
Interesting, I appreciate the contribution. So it sounds like Usama considered these Templars actual friends? Men he trusted and enjoyed spending time with?
@@RealCrusadesHistory well in that passage he doesn't give any specific details about the nature of his "friendship" with the templars but the term "Asdiqaa'i" could very well imply that
Whats with the echoing effect?
Same phenomena could be taking place in Medieval Al-Andaluz for centuries
A great job RCH; the nuance of history is unfortunately lost much of the time in the grandeur of the endeavor. A much needed video imo and hopefully the starting point of more like it to come showing the shades of grey during this period.
I thought it was Templars versus Assassins....
Didn’t he also know a knight of Jerusalem so well that he got called his brother?
Have you considered doing videos on former Muslims who become famous crusaders(if something like that exists)?
That would not exist my friend.
Why do not you translate Arabic content?
Walter Pöppe yeah but what if the Arab starts mistranslations things on purpose
Hitti is a scholar of medieval Islam and I have no doubt that his translation, which I'm using, is top notch. I learned the Arabic alphabet years ago, but I haven't gone any farther with the language than that. Perhaps someday I will.
Diplomatic niceties. As far as the friends thing goes a modern version of this can be seen in the American Civil War.
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Nope looked up the source and it indeed happened its just vaugely worded as his a diplomat so calling his "enemy" as friend is quite normal in an unstable environment even he even found some lifestyle choics of the "franks" as "fine" even though most of what he said is mostly negative.