I should have stated this in the video: fiber optic cables strands can be dangerous if not handled correctly. As many of you have noted they can result in painful transparent splinters or worse create respiratory issues. The strand I demoed was thrown out when the video was done and the other leftover cable is safely taped up to prevent any injury. The technician was a pro who safely handled the cable and cleaned up after the work was done. I did think you all would find it interesting to take a look inside the cable just because it's magic to me that this even works given how tiny they are. Also to answer a few other questions: No there is no data cap on Gigabit Pro. And yes it's expensive but what's even more expensive is dealing with the slow unreliable connection that I have now :). The faster speed will result in better reliability and less wasted time when uploading to the multiple platforms we're delivering to now. Also Gigabit Pro is a metro-ethernet product and not a shared fiber technology like GPON.
Lon.TV I have in the Telecommunications industry for several decades and have almost exclusively worked in the fiber optic portion of the industry. I started off working as a fiber splicer back before there was such a thing as a field portable fusion fiber splicing machine. When I first started splicing fiber it was more of a "black art" than the relatively simple near fool proof and easy process it is now today using a latest generation of fusion splicing machines.
I'm curious....if your neighbors really wanted to get the same service, would they also have to pay the $1000 installation or would they piggyback off of the work that you already had Comcast do down the driveway?
@@LonSeidman Lon think of home fiber as Dual Lane fiber (transmit+ receive) long haul Single Lane Fiber that go about 25 miles before being boasted another 25 miles in one direction for each fiber! so /dual Lane for home and single Lane for long haul!
A word of caution, now that you exposed the fiber strands by opening the jacket, if you were to cut a piece of the strand, the cut pieces can become a respiratory hazard. Technicians that work with fiber terminations take precautions against this.
I can remeber back to when a fusion splicer was truck-mounted and splicing cables by railway lines could only be done when no trains were within 5 miles (due to the vibration) Congrats on the bandwidth!
The CWDM looks like it might be a passive one, meaning it uses no power. They're pretty neat, they only use prisms to filter wavelengths of light. If it is passive, your SFP will be hardcoded with the specific wavelength assigned to your connection.
Looks like an ordinary splice can to me. so the fiber coming towards the house was spliced into dark fiber in the main line that runs into the splice can.
Hey Lon, I got fiber decades ago and I've never regretted it. Having fiber actually relieves that aggravating bloat I experienced, and it also helps with system blockage and slow "downloads" where I'd have to sit and wait and wait and wait for the "download" to finish. Adding fiber, for some reason, also made my stool feel softer, which was an unexpected bonus. So, for me, adding fiber was a life altering positive decision.
Great series of vids that you're making on Comcast's Metro-E product. - Fiber is always referred to in pairs, not strands. Because 1 strand in each pair is used for TX (transmission), and 1 strand is RX (receive), and you need 1 pair (RX + TX) for any service. Can't provide service with 1 strand... - You have 12 pairs to the end of the street. (2:45). 12 home connection capacity. - Dark fiber refers to the "unlit" pairs of fiber. Your pair will be "lit" and in use, using lasers to sent photons. (2:57) - To your home they pulled 3 pairs. (5:12) - The cable is rigid, because the fiber is glass, and the glass can break or shatter (5:24) - Yes, you can carry Tb of data if you use all of the wavelengths. Its the same basic fiber used around the world, and under oceans, with more protection. (5:52) - The fusion splicer ensures that the glass fibers are perfectly aligned and then spliced. Alignment is important to make sure you have no loss of signal. This fiber is single mode. This splice is also referred to as a "glass-through" connection, which if done right should have no signal loss. (7:35) - It is a single cable. Most importantly, it's effectively a continuous cable. A fusion splicer is much better than the old school pucks used to polish multi mode fiber, where alignment isn't as important. Single mode fiber is a straight shot down the fiber. Multi-mode light bounces off the the inside of the bigger fiber wall, so alignment isn't as important. (8:10) - CWDM is Coarse Wave Division Multiplexer. It's cheaper and more suitable for this work than DWDM. Correct, CWDM multiplexes multiple individual signals onto different wavelengths within a single pair. (8:49) - SFP+ will terminate your pair, not a strand. (9:46) - Use that Ubiquiti router to route between the 2Gb and the 1Gb connection. You should be able to setup bgp which would give you redundancy if you lose one link but not the other. Which is unlikely because typically the fiber will be cut and you will be SOL, but maybe if they make a config change on their end, Comcast would only break service on one of your links. Again, unlikely since Comcast isn't going to make changes, unless they are grooming links in the region. (9:58) -2.5Gb is supported over CAT5e for the full 100 meters. This page has a great pic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T. 5 and 10 Gbe over CAT5e is distance dependent. I would get your CAT5e runs certified/checked, a poor termination will result in signal degradation. Certified CAT5e terminations may let you run higher speeds. See if Fluke will let you borrow a network tester. (13:50).
Ya watched the fiber install here a couple of years ago. He had to put the end on the fiber twice before the fiber to cat box would work. Also do not want to have loose bare fiber strands laying around afterward. Apparently, they can be painful if they get in the body ;)
Your videos look great at 1080p and 720p why 4K? So your bookcase looks clearer behind you? Doesn’t seem worth it, but only you know what you do and need. Thanks for the info on the process. 👌🏽😊👍🏽
That "lubricant" is known as icky-pick. It is, in part, a water repellent that is in all outside cables as a precaution in case the outer armor gets compromised.
Interesting stuff. FYI, you can also use Cat 6, 6a, and 8.1 to get 10 Gbps or more. I had ethernet added to connect my office to my basement (where I have a tech rack) and used Cat 8.1. It supports 20-40 Gbps from what I have but is nice because it is fully compatible with normal ethernet RJ45 connectors. That is, I have a Cat8.1 wall plug in my office and a Cat5e legacy ethernet cable directly connected to it (for now).
Extra Gig connection... Will the neighbors be getting flyers for LON-NET? A couple of airFiber units from Ubiquiti and you could help offset the cost of your connection :)
Comcast is definitely ahead of other cable companies. They are the only ones that were ready for DOCSIS 4.0 before the other cable companies complained and had the standard expanded to include inferior networks
I only get comcast cable where I'm at. We splurged out for the gigabit for 1 gigabit download and 40 megabit upload. My parents live in the middle of nowhere and have only ever had satellite internet but recently the power company is running fiber down their road allowing them to get symmetric gigabit up and down. I live in the middle of a city and will soon have slower internet then them. FeelsBadMan haha
I’m in the initial process (site survey ) I currently have my router downstairs my question is when they install the connection would they be able to install it upstairs? I don’t want all of this equipment out in the open in our living room.
They are going to replace that amp at the street with a fiber fed node, so it won't be all dark for long. Ironically, you directly improved your neighbor's coax service.
You are correct. It essentially combines different wavelengths of light on one fiber. The send and receive on one cable lon is thinking of is called BiDi and uses BiDi SFP transceivers. This is the technology my local provider uses and essentially allows providers better utilization of fiber cables as only 1 is needed. I am actually surprised they are using 2 strands right to the house, but there may be a 1 gig limit on BiDi preventing this.
Yes... The TX and RX are the same wavelengths just like a "normal" fiber connection. The SFP modules on each end of the circuit need to be specialized to run on the specific wavelength and then are MUXed together to run up to 18 separate 1 or 10Gb/s channels down a single pair of fibers. You have a MUX/DEMUX on each end that breaks them out into the different wavelengths. These are typically passive. There is also DWDM that uses more expensive hardware, but lets you run a bunch more channels.
And inside that "canister " is nothing more than a splice. The closure keeps the splice safe and allows for other cable to be added. There is no dwdm in there
I guess I am lucky to have 10Gb symmetrical internet for only $50 per month (actually $40 with a mobile subscription...) here in Switzerland. Installation was $100 and they even give you a free apple 4k tv.... Having said that, it's a service that is available only in relative large towns and in the most expensive towns (such as the one where I live), rents are very high
$300 a month that your patrons from Patreon are paying for? Wow that’s a lot. I was happy with the content and quality you were providing. I didn’t need live nor 4K.
Having an internet speed like that would be heaven, but it seems like a huge headache unless you have your own house to run this. I'm guessing this is why most places don't have this?
Lon, when you get everything up and running. I would like to know if you get iPv6 up and running. I got the same service and I'm using a UDMPro as well. No matter what I've tried do done. I have never successfully gotten my iPv6 to work. Maybe if we compared notes we can figure it out and get it working.
@@wakkedoff I'll have to get in touch with my project manager I didn't get an email with the IP4s, the installers had it with them when they set things up.
Don't forget to factor in the cost of the enormous jump in storage requirements for 4K video. Admittedly, you don't do the extensive B-roll cutaways (with requisite music playing at twice the volume of the A-roll) that other channels do.
It seems crazy to me that a company like Qnap that isn't generally seen as a switch manufacturer is making 2.5G switches for a decent price, while companies like Trendnet, TP-Link, Netgear, etc are lagging behind. I emailed Trendnet and TP-Link right after the 2.5G spec was released and suggested they make some full 2.5G switches (as opposed to 1G with a 2/5/10G backbone port). Basically switches just like their cheap 1G switches except with all the ports at 2.5G. So far not much progress from the big established switch manufacturers.
not sure why someone would need to have those switches, when you can buy from eBay something like summit x450a-24t, for example. plenty of other switches are available too. residential ISPs in Europe upgrading with cisco/extreme-networks l2/l3 switches their networks because it's cheap and easy to replace.
@@arishem555 - The Summit x450a-24t is a 1G switch. Did you reply to the wrong comment or are you saying you aren't sure why someone would need faster than 1G speeds in a switch?
@@arishem555 - I think you missed my subtle point in the first post which is that 2.5G switches are a logical step up for the home and prosumer market, without going to full 10G and all the heat and fan challenges. But all the manufactures except Qnap (which wasn't even a switch manufacturer) seems to be very slow to market.
Hi Lon, what is the situation with IPs for the service you got? I imagine you at least get one static but do they give you a set of public IPs and if so, how many for that price?
Lon, is this channel your primary source of income. As you said this isn't a cheap upgrade and install so just curious if you see this as an investment instead of just for fun?
It's totally as an investment. We are wasting a lot of time right now due to my slow connection so this should dramatically improve things and make us more efficient.
Hey Lon! I'm loving this series! Instead of the UDM, if you look at the Netgate PFSense SG-2100 (store.netgate.com/pfSense/SG-2100.aspx) youd be able to utilize both connections as either load balance or fail over. Just a thought.
I am curious about the 3GBit/s total claim. I was under the impression that Gigabit Pro was 2Gbit/s service, and the two switch ports are effectively in the same VLAN. The SFP+ port provides the full 2Gbit/s service to customers with capable equipment. Whereas the 1Gbit/s port is fallback for people that don't have capable gear, but for who 1Gbit/s up+down is still sufficient. Has Comcast explicitly stated you can use 3Gbit/s total?
The guy we interviewed a few weeks ago said his second leg is an additional gig over the 2 on the other connection, see the end of his post here: binaryimpulse.com/2019/11/comcast-gigabit-pro-install/
@@LonSeidman Once install is complete, you need to do a simultaneous speed test of both ports to see if it really gives 3Gbit/s total. Reading his blog post, it gives separate IP allocations, but I didn't see anywhere that he confirmed simultaneous speed tests.
Lon can you share who at Comcast you finally connected with that made you aware of this? This seems way beyond normal customer service rep knowledge. Thanks
I don't understand why Comcast will only sell you 3Gbps service but that service comes in on two separate lines, a 1Gbps & a 2Gbps line? If they have to split the service over two physical lines to achieve "3Gbps", why can't they just sell you EITHER the 1 or the 2 gig fiber service individually?
He lives in the Comcast's Northeast Division, where there is no data cap on cable internet. Gigabit Pro doesn't have a cap across all of Comcast's footprint.
Congrats... I'm excited like the service would be my own XD... maybe some day I'll get it, just for the business tear not for the bandwidth, 2 gb is to much for a house.
if there is no datacap, - he should become a small datacenter. I bet in the future homeowners will be able to host rack at home and make some extra money. Besides hosting it home, - it can become the heat source for hot water or heating.
Comcast does fiber to the node so what they do is send all the internet traffic and tv to a fiber node then that gets pushed out onto the coax and to 100+ houses.. thats the difference from comcast to Verizon’s fios verizon ran fiber to the home like you have and up till now comcast did coax “the last 1/2 mile”
Comcast Gigabit Pro 2000 Mbps2000 Mbps $299.95/mo. I wish I could afford that, the website says they still have data Caps? The site doesn't have any information about being exempt on this plan, it could be there but burried.
10:18 “…too much bandwidth” - *IT DOES NOT COMPUTE!* Additional to warsurplus' caution, be very careful not to get any exposed fibers stuck in your skin, especially under a fingernail. It could be _very not fun_ for a long time. Thanks again.
it's too expensive. but when those guys are owning those poles, - you cannot do much about it. unless you'll have some kind of contract with the city and you will build your own network next to comcast/att. But I can understand comcast as well, cause you paid once to connect your service and you will not be probably responsible anymore for any cable damages (except last 100-300 feets). But when you are maintaining your fiber network on day to day basis you would need to have funds to recover it after any kind of disaster or local issues.
Holy cow, that's crazy expensive! I pay $85 a month for AT&T 1gb fiber. That's my full cost with all local taxes included. On speedtest, I get 900mb down, 850mb up.
Lon is paying almost 10x what I pay for my 40Mbps down / 5 Mbps up connection ($35/month) but is getting 50x the download speed at 2Gbps and 200x the upload speed. Insane jealousy
Is what you need to do is run all CAT6 to your house and that will run 10gig for your network and take a look at the unifi store.ui.com/collections/routing-switching/products/unifi-switch-16-xg 10gig switch. for $600 for that speed is a steal. You have a choice to make if you want to run 10gig Rj45 or Fiber throughout your house.
Bubba198 it depends from what I have seen they always use LC for the connector but for the module it depends I’ve seen them use juniper branded modules and then modules with no branding.
You're looking at it backwards. Why would they offer him cheaper service when he's already forced to pay them $300/month? When another service that offers fiber is finally able to get its foot in the door in his area, Comcast's prices will plummet. They know they have people over a barrel and will milk them for every dime for as long as they can. De facto monopolies suck.
Imagine finding out a couple years later that Concast was shamed into not using the scam term of 10g internet. They didn’t provide that service. I just found out recently that they have been scamming my mother-in-law. They told her that she had 5g fiber for awhile and that she had to upgrade to 10g. They told her that her 10g internet service needed a different modem because the wire connector was different. Once She told me about all of this I was immediately suspicious of this. I went to her modem to find a black modem with a coaxial cable connected to it. I knew they were con artists but whoever did her service is gonna here it from me and a lawyer. I have asked my wife to find out how long they have been charging her for fiber and how much more they were charging her. Concast is pathetic and shameless POS!!
Hey Lon, we love your thoughtful videos on UA-cam channel and want to collaborate with you. I have sent the email to your email box at 9：49 am, could you please have a check? Thanks!
400 by 12mbps..o ya poor slow thing..lol. mine is just 180X4 & Very Best i can get is 200 x10 & the main boss at my isp says no one even needs the 10 up.. hes one of them what i call old farts & tech that just shouldnt mix !
I should have stated this in the video: fiber optic cables strands can be dangerous if not handled correctly. As many of you have noted they can result in painful transparent splinters or worse create respiratory issues. The strand I demoed was thrown out when the video was done and the other leftover cable is safely taped up to prevent any injury. The technician was a pro who safely handled the cable and cleaned up after the work was done. I did think you all would find it interesting to take a look inside the cable just because it's magic to me that this even works given how tiny they are.
Also to answer a few other questions: No there is no data cap on Gigabit Pro. And yes it's expensive but what's even more expensive is dealing with the slow unreliable connection that I have now :). The faster speed will result in better reliability and less wasted time when uploading to the multiple platforms we're delivering to now. Also Gigabit Pro is a metro-ethernet product and not a shared fiber technology like GPON.
Lon.TV I have in the Telecommunications industry for several decades and have almost exclusively worked in the fiber optic portion of the industry. I started off working as a fiber splicer back before there was such a thing as a field portable fusion fiber splicing machine. When I first started splicing fiber it was more of a "black art" than the relatively simple near fool proof and easy process it is now today using a latest generation of fusion splicing machines.
I'm curious....if your neighbors really wanted to get the same service, would they also have to pay the $1000 installation or would they piggyback off of the work that you already had Comcast do down the driveway?
I think that's the standard charge. They'd have to run fiber into each home, splice, etc. Comcast's cost would be less of course :)
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Lon think of home fiber as Dual Lane fiber (transmit+ receive) long haul Single Lane Fiber that go about 25 miles before being boasted another 25 miles in one direction for each fiber! so /dual Lane for home and single Lane for long haul!
these fiber videos should all be part of a playlist.
THey are ! lon.tv/gigpro
A word of caution, now that you exposed the fiber strands by opening the jacket, if you were to cut a piece of the strand, the cut pieces can become a respiratory hazard. Technicians that work with fiber terminations take precautions against this.
The shards of fiber can also get lodged into your fingers.
Yes I tossed out that piece right after we were done! I didn’t realize how dangerous those little strands can be!
I can remeber back to when a fusion splicer was truck-mounted and splicing cables by railway lines could only be done when no trains were within 5 miles (due to the vibration)
Congrats on the bandwidth!
I'm so emotionally invested in this whole gigabit internet ordeal lol
I have the gigabit internet from Xfinity in my house. I love it. It's not fiber still coaxial.
The CWDM looks like it might be a passive one, meaning it uses no power. They're pretty neat, they only use prisms to filter wavelengths of light. If it is passive, your SFP will be hardcoded with the specific wavelength assigned to your connection.
Looks like an ordinary splice can to me. so the fiber coming towards the house was spliced into dark fiber in the main line that runs into the splice can.
Hey Lon, I got fiber decades ago and I've never regretted it. Having fiber actually relieves that
aggravating bloat I experienced, and it also helps with system blockage and slow "downloads" where I'd have to sit
and wait and wait and wait for the "download" to finish. Adding fiber, for some reason, also made my stool feel softer,
which was an unexpected bonus. So, for me, adding fiber was a life altering positive decision.
Wow, pt 2. I couldn't find it in your list, but reddit read my mind, and took me here
Congrats Lon! Considering how long this process has been for you, I'm happy that you finally got it done!
Great series of vids that you're making on Comcast's Metro-E product.
- Fiber is always referred to in pairs, not strands. Because 1 strand in each pair is used for TX (transmission), and 1 strand is RX (receive), and you need 1 pair (RX + TX) for any service. Can't provide service with 1 strand...
- You have 12 pairs to the end of the street. (2:45). 12 home connection capacity.
- Dark fiber refers to the "unlit" pairs of fiber. Your pair will be "lit" and in use, using lasers to sent photons. (2:57)
- To your home they pulled 3 pairs. (5:12)
- The cable is rigid, because the fiber is glass, and the glass can break or shatter (5:24)
- Yes, you can carry Tb of data if you use all of the wavelengths. Its the same basic fiber used around the world, and under oceans, with more protection. (5:52)
- The fusion splicer ensures that the glass fibers are perfectly aligned and then spliced. Alignment is important to make sure you have no loss of signal. This fiber is single mode. This splice is also referred to as a "glass-through" connection, which if done right should have no signal loss. (7:35)
- It is a single cable. Most importantly, it's effectively a continuous cable. A fusion splicer is much better than the old school pucks used to polish multi mode fiber, where alignment isn't as important. Single mode fiber is a straight shot down the fiber. Multi-mode light bounces off the the inside of the bigger fiber wall, so alignment isn't as important. (8:10)
- CWDM is Coarse Wave Division Multiplexer. It's cheaper and more suitable for this work than DWDM. Correct, CWDM multiplexes multiple individual signals onto different wavelengths within a single pair. (8:49)
- SFP+ will terminate your pair, not a strand. (9:46)
- Use that Ubiquiti router to route between the 2Gb and the 1Gb connection. You should be able to setup bgp which would give you redundancy if you lose one link but not the other. Which is unlikely because typically the fiber will be cut and you will be SOL, but maybe if they make a config change on their end, Comcast would only break service on one of your links. Again, unlikely since Comcast isn't going to make changes, unless they are grooming links in the region. (9:58)
-2.5Gb is supported over CAT5e for the full 100 meters. This page has a great pic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T. 5 and 10 Gbe over CAT5e is distance dependent. I would get your CAT5e runs certified/checked, a poor termination will result in signal degradation. Certified CAT5e terminations may let you run higher speeds. See if Fluke will let you borrow a network tester. (13:50).
A note on your CWDM, You're most likely still using a TX & RX core, but each of those will have up to 18 wavelengths on.
Congratulations man, it's about time!
Ya watched the fiber install here a couple of years ago. He had to put the end on the fiber twice before the fiber to cat box would work. Also do not want to have loose bare fiber strands laying around afterward. Apparently, they can be painful if they get in the body ;)
I'm getting gig pro plan as well, can't wait for it to be completed
Welcome to the light! May your glass tubes deliver high bandwidth joy and productivity!
When everything gets installed, all I ask is for a Speedtest.
Very nice explanation of what is happening. Congrats !
Very cool video on fiber splicing!
Good stuff man, you make me jealous!
Your videos look great at 1080p and 720p why 4K? So your bookcase looks clearer behind you? Doesn’t seem worth it, but only you know what you do and need. Thanks for the info on the process. 👌🏽😊👍🏽
This was a good watch, thanks
Perfect explanation 👌! Of what my job is!! 👍 👍
It’s coming along nicely Lon. Any word when they will finalise the installation?
That "lubricant" is known as icky-pick. It is, in part, a water repellent that is in all outside cables as a precaution in case the outer armor gets compromised.
In Coquitlam BC, We have Shaw Internet on the Coax with a good wifi 6 router you can get speeds up to 1.5G Down with 100m up via coax
Interesting stuff. FYI, you can also use Cat 6, 6a, and 8.1 to get 10 Gbps or more. I had ethernet added to connect my office to my basement (where I have a tech rack) and used Cat 8.1. It supports 20-40 Gbps from what I have but is nice because it is fully compatible with normal ethernet RJ45 connectors. That is, I have a Cat8.1 wall plug in my office and a Cat5e legacy ethernet cable directly connected to it (for now).
Extra Gig connection... Will the neighbors be getting flyers for LON-NET? A couple of airFiber units from Ubiquiti and you could help offset the cost of your connection :)
hey everybody its Lon!
Look at the Peplink Balance from Peplink for Bandwidth Bonding using Speedfusion. . It’s a nice option to integrate the second WAN connection
Comcast is definitely ahead of other cable companies. They are the only ones that were ready for DOCSIS 4.0 before the other cable companies complained and had the standard expanded to include inferior networks
I only get comcast cable where I'm at. We splurged out for the gigabit for 1 gigabit download and 40 megabit upload. My parents live in the middle of nowhere and have only ever had satellite internet but recently the power company is running fiber down their road allowing them to get symmetric gigabit up and down. I live in the middle of a city and will soon have slower internet then them. FeelsBadMan haha
The Juniper switch they install, does it have any special sauce or is it just a bridge between bonded fiber sfp+ to rj45 internet?
Awesome series that's interesting to watch! Hope you don't have to move to a different house anytime in the next few years.
Amazing video about everything they did to you... Hey future video what was the total costs to get Comcast GB pro?
I’m in the initial process (site survey ) I currently have my router downstairs my question is when they install the connection would they be able to install it upstairs? I don’t want all of this equipment out in the open in our living room.
They are going to replace that amp at the street with a fiber fed node, so it won't be all dark for long. Ironically, you directly improved your neighbor's coax service.
Is it Comcast FTTH or did you get an actual SD-WAN circuit to your home? $300 sound pretty low for a SD-WAN connection.
The CWDM is usually to aggregate multiple customers down one set of fibers. I don’t believe they mix your TX and RX
You are correct. It essentially combines different wavelengths of light on one fiber. The send and receive on one cable lon is thinking of is called BiDi and uses BiDi SFP transceivers. This is the technology my local provider uses and essentially allows providers better utilization of fiber cables as only 1 is needed. I am actually surprised they are using 2 strands right to the house, but there may be a 1 gig limit on BiDi preventing this.
Yes... The TX and RX are the same wavelengths just like a "normal" fiber connection. The SFP modules on each end of the circuit need to be specialized to run on the specific wavelength and then are MUXed together to run up to 18 separate 1 or 10Gb/s channels down a single pair of fibers. You have a MUX/DEMUX on each end that breaks them out into the different wavelengths. These are typically passive. There is also DWDM that uses more expensive hardware, but lets you run a bunch more channels.
Congrats, I can only get Comcast business cable in my neighborhood
The strength members inside the sheath are made of fiber glass and that can be worse to hamdle then the actual glass if it splinters
And inside that "canister " is nothing more than a splice. The closure keeps the splice safe and allows for other cable to be added. There is no dwdm in there
CONGRATSSssssss!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
Seems like his only choice. When I lived in NJ, I was getting Fios fiber for $79/month with 1000 Gigs up and down!
I guess I am lucky to have 10Gb symmetrical internet for only $50 per month (actually $40 with a mobile subscription...) here in Switzerland. Installation was $100 and they even give you a free apple 4k tv.... Having said that, it's a service that is available only in relative large towns and in the most expensive towns (such as the one where I live), rents are very high
$300 a month that your patrons from Patreon are paying for? Wow that’s a lot. I was happy with the content and quality you were providing. I didn’t need live nor 4K.
It's a business expense. He could probably deduct some of the install and monthly cost from his business taxes.
Patreon funds are directed at my employee costs not the connection.
What are some fun things are you planning to do with the extra bandwidth? Server hosting, simultaneous game stream testing, server caching, etc?
The fiber at my last place used little boxes that they snapped onto the ends of the fiber.
What's the IP allocation like I assume more than one if you want since your able to split to two WANs
Could you start a WISP with that connection or is that just an expensive home connection that doesn't allow you to resell it?
Did they install the fiber directly to your udm pro, or did you run an eth to sfp? Did I miss that?
They gave me an sfp+ that runs from the juniper to the udm pro.
having 400 down, 12 up is radiculous, we need symmetrical connections everywhere
Having an internet speed like that would be heaven, but it seems like a huge headache unless you have your own house to run this. I'm guessing this is why most places don't have this?
Build a pfSense box and setup load balancing between the connections.
Is Comcast going to have a data cap on your connection? For what you are paying I sure hope not
Lon, when you get everything up and running. I would like to know if you get iPv6 up and running. I got the same service and I'm using a UDMPro as well. No matter what I've tried do done. I have never successfully gotten my iPv6 to work. Maybe if we compared notes we can figure it out and get it working.
They didn't give me my IPv6 addresses - I'll need to followup on that!
@@LonSeidman The do it's in the email they sent with the static iP. But I've never gotten it to work.
@@wakkedoff I'll have to get in touch with my project manager I didn't get an email with the IP4s, the installers had it with them when they set things up.
Don't forget to factor in the cost of the enormous jump in storage requirements for 4K video. Admittedly, you don't do the extensive B-roll cutaways (with requisite music playing at twice the volume of the A-roll) that other channels do.
It seems crazy to me that a company like Qnap that isn't generally seen as a switch manufacturer is making 2.5G switches for a decent price, while companies like Trendnet, TP-Link, Netgear, etc are lagging behind. I emailed Trendnet and TP-Link right after the 2.5G spec was released and suggested they make some full 2.5G switches (as opposed to 1G with a 2/5/10G backbone port). Basically switches just like their cheap 1G switches except with all the ports at 2.5G. So far not much progress from the big established switch manufacturers.
not sure why someone would need to have those switches, when you can buy from eBay something like summit x450a-24t, for example. plenty of other switches are available too. residential ISPs in Europe upgrading with cisco/extreme-networks l2/l3 switches their networks because it's cheap and easy to replace.
@@arishem555 - The Summit x450a-24t is a 1G switch. Did you reply to the wrong comment or are you saying you aren't sure why someone would need faster than 1G speeds in a switch?
@@jjones2582 and it has 2 extension ports 2x10G, did you see specs?
@@jjones2582 and if you can tolerate noise in your home dc, - you can go to x650a all-10g sfps, which is very affordable as well.
@@arishem555 - I think you missed my subtle point in the first post which is that 2.5G switches are a logical step up for the home and prosumer market, without going to full 10G and all the heat and fan challenges. But all the manufactures except Qnap (which wasn't even a switch manufacturer) seems to be very slow to market.
Hi Lon, what is the situation with IPs for the service you got? I imagine you at least get one static but do they give you a set of public IPs and if so, how many for that price?
I believe I get two static IPv4's and a bunch of IPv6's - Kirk talked about that in the interview we did recently.
You're the only person I've ever heard mention that Amazon does any kind of live streaming. How/where does one watch these?
Thank God I have att 1000 where I live. This is madness.
Lon, is this channel your primary source of income. As you said this isn't a cheap upgrade and install so just curious if you see this as an investment instead of just for fun?
It's totally as an investment. We are wasting a lot of time right now due to my slow connection so this should dramatically improve things and make us more efficient.
@@LonSeidman thanks for the reply! I've been subscribed since 50,000! Keep up the amazing content.
Hey Lon! I'm loving this series!
Instead of the UDM, if you look at the Netgate PFSense SG-2100 (store.netgate.com/pfSense/SG-2100.aspx) youd be able to utilize both connections as either load balance or fail over.
Just a thought.
I am curious about the 3GBit/s total claim. I was under the impression that Gigabit Pro was 2Gbit/s service, and the two switch ports are effectively in the same VLAN. The SFP+ port provides the full 2Gbit/s service to customers with capable equipment. Whereas the 1Gbit/s port is fallback for people that don't have capable gear, but for who 1Gbit/s up+down is still sufficient. Has Comcast explicitly stated you can use 3Gbit/s total?
The guy we interviewed a few weeks ago said his second leg is an additional gig over the 2 on the other connection, see the end of his post here: binaryimpulse.com/2019/11/comcast-gigabit-pro-install/
@@LonSeidman Once install is complete, you need to do a simultaneous speed test of both ports to see if it really gives 3Gbit/s total. Reading his blog post, it gives separate IP allocations, but I didn't see anywhere that he confirmed simultaneous speed tests.
He mentions it towards the bottom but I'll definitely test it for myself!
So is it GPON? Can you post a pic of the SFP+ label where the fiber connects to your switch?
Gigabit pro is metro ethernet.
Lon can you share who at Comcast you finally connected with that made you aware of this? This seems way beyond normal customer service rep knowledge. Thanks
I would go through the Xfinity reddit subreddit or tweet at ComcastCares - they were helpful for me and others.
Lon.TV Thank you much
I don't understand why Comcast will only sell you 3Gbps service but that service comes in on two separate lines, a 1Gbps & a 2Gbps line? If they have to split the service over two physical lines to achieve "3Gbps", why can't they just sell you EITHER the 1 or the 2 gig fiber service individually?
Are you in a data-cap area with Comcast? What was your previous cap? Does this plan have one?
No caps !
He lives in the Comcast's Northeast Division, where there is no data cap on cable internet. Gigabit Pro doesn't have a cap across all of Comcast's footprint.
I hope the crew is buying Corning!!
I just got 2 gigabit fiber from AT&T Fiber for $110, free install, no contract.
Why do mix and match your network and not go full ubiquiti?
Cost - Uibiquiti does not have low cost 10 or 2.5 gig ethernet switches right now.
Welcome to fiber your gonna love it trust me I have it and I'm in heaven
Congrats... I'm excited like the service would be my own XD... maybe some day I'll get it, just for the business tear not for the bandwidth, 2 gb is to much for a house.
You can now host your own media server streamer with all the extra bandwidth :D
if there is no datacap, - he should become a small datacenter. I bet in the future homeowners will be able to host rack at home and make some extra money. Besides hosting it home, - it can become the heat source for hot water or heating.
Comcast does fiber to the node so what they do is send all the internet traffic and tv to a fiber node then that gets pushed out onto the coax and to 100+ houses.. thats the difference from comcast to Verizon’s fios verizon ran fiber to the home like you have and up till now comcast did coax “the last 1/2 mile”
You were lucky you had a continuous conduit path to the house.
Comcast Gigabit Pro 2000 Mbps2000 Mbps $299.95/mo. I wish I could afford that, the website says they still have data Caps? The site doesn't have any information about being exempt on this plan, it could be there but burried.
10:18 “…too much bandwidth” - *IT DOES NOT COMPUTE!*
Additional to warsurplus' caution, be very careful not to get any exposed fibers stuck in your skin, especially under a fingernail. It could be _very not fun_ for a long time. Thanks again.
A thousand dollars for the installation is quite significant, but so is symmetrical gigabit.
Lon we are coming to your house to play Quake TF
My God $300+ a month for Internet service?! WOW! 😳😬
I remember paying $850 a month for 10 megabit.
it's too expensive. but when those guys are owning those poles, - you cannot do much about it. unless you'll have some kind of contract with the city and you will build your own network next to comcast/att. But I can understand comcast as well, cause you paid once to connect your service and you will not be probably responsible anymore for any cable damages (except last 100-300 feets). But when you are maintaining your fiber network on day to day basis you would need to have funds to recover it after any kind of disaster or local issues.
Holy cow, that's crazy expensive! I pay $85 a month for AT&T 1gb fiber. That's my full cost with all local taxes included. On speedtest, I get 900mb down, 850mb up.
Lon is paying almost 10x what I pay for my 40Mbps down / 5 Mbps up connection ($35/month) but is getting 50x the download speed at 2Gbps and 200x the upload speed. Insane jealousy
Gigaty, gigaty, gi-ga-ty!!
nice
Holly crap that’s a lot of money i never realized how fortunate i am to have gonetsoeed in Wethersfield 90 dollars 1gig symmetrical
Damn i didnt know comcast was running fiber
Why not just move?
Just kidding. Good content! :P
Upload should be half of download speed. Uploading 1gb files take a very long time.
That's why Verizon has there fiber cable already terminated
watching with 30 mbps 😮
Wow
Is what you need to do is run all CAT6 to your house and that will run 10gig for your network and take a look at the unifi store.ui.com/collections/routing-switching/products/unifi-switch-16-xg 10gig switch. for $600 for that speed is a steal. You have a choice to make if you want to run 10gig Rj45 or Fiber throughout your house.
Oooh I may pick one of those up I didn't realize they had one with that many ports!
Is this PON or metro ethernet?
It’s MetroE connection.
@@keganotoole6805 what's the make/model of the SFP+ module they use to terminate the LCs?
Bubba198 it depends from what I have seen they always use LC for the connector but for the module it depends I’ve seen them use juniper branded modules and then modules with no branding.
Don’t feed the beast. They should offer other speeds so you don’t have to pay $300+ per month for service.
You're looking at it backwards. Why would they offer him cheaper service when he's already forced to pay them $300/month? When another service that offers fiber is finally able to get its foot in the door in his area, Comcast's prices will plummet. They know they have people over a barrel and will milk them for every dime for as long as they can. De facto monopolies suck.
Imagine finding out a couple years later that Concast was shamed into not using the scam term of 10g internet. They didn’t provide that service. I just found out recently that they have been scamming my mother-in-law. They told her that she had 5g fiber for awhile and that she had to upgrade to 10g. They told her that her 10g internet service needed a different modem because the wire connector was different. Once She told me about all of this I was immediately suspicious of this. I went to her modem to find a black modem with a coaxial cable connected to it. I knew they were con artists but whoever did her service is gonna here it from me and a lawyer. I have asked my wife to find out how long they have been charging her for fiber and how much more they were charging her. Concast is pathetic and shameless POS!!
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400 by 12mbps..o ya poor slow thing..lol. mine is just 180X4 & Very Best i can get is 200 x10 & the main boss at my isp says no one even needs the 10 up.. hes one of them what i call old farts & tech that just shouldnt mix !
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What's the IP allocation like I assume more than one if you want since your able to split to two WANs