Eugenics: Flawed Thinking Behind Pushed Science | Alex Story | EP 294
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Alex Story and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss biology and overpopulation, the misguided thinking behind eugenics, and the tendency of politics to weaponize our totalitarian impulses.
Alex Story was an Olympic class rower for Great Britain, and attended the University of Cambridge. There he set the rowing course record against Oxford in the 1998 Boat Race, a record held for multiple decades. After suffering a career-ending back injury, Story turned his attention to politics, and quickly became a notable voice in the Conservative party. He stood for parliamentary office three times, representing some of the poorest areas in the country. Today he works in the finance sector as head of sales for a US brokerage firm. He has also become a writer, seeing his articles published weekly in magazines such as the National Inquirer and Express.
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Fabianism and the Empire: A Manifesto by the Fabian Society
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The Descent of Man
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The Essential Keynes
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:05) Intro
(3:36) Fatherhood, manning up
(10:05) Rowing, in pursuit of glory
(17:05) Privilege and Marxism
(22:51) The motivation of power
(28:00) Love elevates
(39:32) The Issue with the dominance hierarchy
(47:36) Stability and transformation
(54:06) Predators and protesters
(55:43) Eugenics and the imposition of power
(1:15:22) The connection with Marxism
(1:19:49) Orwell, socialist overpopulation
(1:28:54) The four pillars of England's educational framework
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Dr Peterson, because of listening to you for the past several years. I have decided I want to get married and have children. For years I was unsure. Thank you for the inspiration. And for everything you do. ❤
That is beautiful! Good luck! I am Christian and have been married for 6 years and believe God is leading my marriage, but Dr Peterson's advice have also helped a lot to improve my marriage.
The family is the foundation of human life. Don't let Modernist views impose restrictions on your search for the love you seek. God bless you richly.
Good for you. I was uncertain only because of my severe lifelong depression and the physical effects on my body. I thought I wouldn't live up to what I should, and would wear down quicker. But my daughter rejuvenated me in every way. I'm too busy and in love to notice my own pain. And it sort of went away somehow. Marriage and family, when you choose a loyal wonderful partner, is the foundation of happiness and civilization. It goes the individual, the family, the tribe, and the nation; in that order each is an extension of the prior.
Vet your prospective mate thoroughly with a keen eye for red flags. There are some very good women out there, but the search can be like the needle in the haystack.
Good luck.
@@cxa011500 maybe just start with 1 and go from there.
We need a part 2 with Alex. I could listen days to his widsom and knowledge.
Agreed
I loved this conversation too, but there were several times I was disappointed Dr. Peterson interrupted Mr. Story. I was wanting to hear his continued train of thought. Best analysis ever: authoritarianism’s opposite is Love Thy Neighbor.
@@michellebarlow4236 Agreed. Interruptions can be, well, annoying.
agreed, very interesting man.
@@lorellgingrich6603 Peterson spreads Misinformation
all the time, but its not your Fault for not realizing.
It can be genuinly hard to realize this by-yourself, but maybe
Video-Essay "Some More News" helps!?
This was a wonderful discussion - resonated personally with me as a carer of my wife with younger onset dementia. In a parallel to Alex about his son I had comments about "why I didn't put her into care so I could live my life". My Answer was because I am now really living my life.
Good for you! I "sacrificed" 7 years of my life to helping my father as joint caregivers for my mother in her remaining years. It was beyond exhausting and painful. The thought of "putting her into a home", i.e. convalescent facility, never entered my mind of possibilities. Meanwhile, friends and acquaintances didn't understand what all the stress was about. They just couldn't relate nor respect the gravity of the situation, in effect epitomizing the "just live your life" narcissism. A hospital chaplain friend of mine sincerely complimented me on helping take care of my mother. That meant a lot.
Forgive me if I am out of line, but do investigate the carnivore diet. Your doctor will not like it, but the many people who it has helped sure do.
@@indyjones1970 Make no mistake. The GUy is PRO-Eugenics.
@@nenmaster5218 Which guy?
@@indyjones1970 Peterson.
Have you not seen "A Brief Look at J.Peterson" by "Some More News"?
I have heard this man interviewed once before. Profound. Balanced. Nuanced. Moral. Thank you.
Dr. Peterson You are one of the few personalities in this world who are doing something right to avoid the collapse of humanity. Thank you
maybe one of they few you know, but definatly an outstanding one
Jordan "Neville" Peterson. It's got a ring to it. 🤣🤣
His heart can light up the sky.
Wow, you people are so impressionable, try thinking for yourselves for a change.
@@KepperKleen less then 10% of ppl is rly capeable of thinking the others shuld learn to follow those who are
Just got married two weeks ago because of king lobster. Getting baptized as well. I was in jail 3 years ago for dui so lots of improvement. Starting a business as well whilst working as a lead man at construction job. He is an instrument of Jesus saving young men. Plain and simple fact in my phenomenological experience. ❤
Respect! That's quite the achievment. God bless.
Thank you for sharing your story, how beautiful.
Welcome home!
Good work Jonny. That's a hell of a lot better. Keep it up, man!
@@JordanBPeterson It is wonderful to see you Dr. Peterson replying into comments.
I was blessed with the company of my Downs Syndrome brother for 48 years. I still miss him dearly 20 years after he died. We were, as a family were truly blessed.
This made me tear up, thank you for sharing, you are truly blessed
I read a study that people around people with Down Syndrome are happier on average than people that are not by a fair margin.
I am so sorry for your loss.😥
@@benjamin1720 people with Down’s are a mirror to the world, they expose the heart of who a person is.
Are you for eugenics?
@@benjamin1720 What has wealth got to do with it? As is happens, my family was far from wealthy! I was born at home in a council house in 1956. My Downs syndrome brother (Raymond) was born in the same home 2 years earlier. We had very little, no TV, phone and lino-covered floors.
I'm still not wealthy although I own my own home and have reasonable comforts.
I cannot speak of other disablities as I only have experience with Downs syndrome people.
All I can say is growing up with Raymond was great fun and my life was enriched as a consequence.
Have you ever met or worked with Downs people?
More of ALEX STORY please. WOW! he is awake and completely spot on!
On our way to hear Dr. Peterson on person in Jerusalem! Listening to this on the way. Thank you for all you and helping set my life straight!
Would you mind sharing how the event in Jerusalem went? I'm curious.
My sister was diagnosed with lupus/rheumatoid arthritis at 23 yrs of age...she lasted until the fall of 20' but suffered with dignity through all of what this disease wreaks upon a human body...it was only through "super human" will that she survived for as long as she did...my belief is we all are born into this life to recieve the exact lessons that we recieve and experience it all on behalf of God/source...I love this interview...Thank you Jordan for this
What? My Mom's been living with that for years. I didn't realize folks die quickly from it.
Yet these autoimmune 'dis-eases' are curable. So sad her doctor was ignorant.
I agree. They're karmic lessons planned in the spirit world before each incarnation.
I agree 100% David. My late wife showed tremendous courage and faith during her battle with melanoma,. I know (I've been told) that the moral strength she demonstrated has been an inspiration to very many people.
@@giovannileonetti2120 ohh pls
One of the more chilling, yet oddly inspiring discussions Jordan has shared with us to date. What peterson is dooing is of immesurable import to humanities present and its future. Mere 'Thank you' simply cannot express the depth of my appreciation.
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People have no idea how their warm fuzzy ideologies they glom onto are rooted in totalitarian ideal which when studied in a exploratory manor are as evil as I gets.
Millions have died at the hands of marxist idealists.
As I listen to this I can't help but think "it's no wonder we have a mental health epidemic!" This constant questioning if life is worth living and being stripped of all meaning in life is the root of depression and we're being taught to measure our lives in this way. Thank God for you Jordan Peterson, you're showing us all the truth we desperately need!
I could’ve easily listened to atleast 5 more hours of this. Thank you both so much for this conversation.
same
same, was gutted when it ended, left me with more questions and concerns
me too, but that would've meant 10+ commercial breaks :/
Dr Peterson. I’m a huge fan. You have changed my life for the better. So, with all respect, please do not interrupt your guests. You did it many times in this interview just when he was about to say something really important.
But like he said " he is probably the most cited writer ever". You don't say that without a sense of grandiosity, and you don't simultaneously consider yourself a teacher in how to speak AND have a grandiose personality, without also loving the sound of your own speech
This interview was so good. Especially when Story begins to talk about the Fabian society around 1:05:00, that was extremely compelling. His description matches my perception of how the elite operates, and as you both said, it became so clear with Covid policies. Gradually strip citizens of the rights and powers, hoping that by the time citizens really wake up and protest, they no longer stand a chance. Bravo Jordan, Alex and Daily Wire for having and facilitating these conversations.
Thanks for the stamp
Let me get this clarified, Peter Dam,
so by your reasoning, we’ll all be caught in an incorporated communist system whether we like it or not - if we haven’t already, is that right?
Interesting point of view.
Would that excite or horrify you?
@@brightpage1020 I don't believe that it's inevitable, but I think that is where we are currently headed. I choose to be an optimist and have hope that we can escape that outcome, because it would absolutely horrify me.
@@Pechanni Denial can be dangerous as hope-ium. Best to hedge our bets either way, just in case.
I was thinking the same, I started to really stick to the screen from 58:00☺️
I was disciplined (and a spanking can hurt) by a father who never punished me while he was out of control with anger. He spoke to each of his 6 kids with love and clear explanations of why we were being punished. I always knew I was loved by my parents. I feared a spanking but because I earned them I respected my dad.
That's how discipline works, yet one of the main tactics of the ideologies discussed here, is to confound something good with it's dark counterpart and then denounce them both as the same thing, in this case spanking, delivered as fair and loving discipline, and hitting in abusive anger. And so children are now no longer disciplined... It's everywhere: masculinity with dominance, competence with oppression, etc.
This would be my only compliant of my Mothers corporal punishment, it was so reactive. It wasnt the punishment that was the issue but the sudden 0-100, particularly because my brother is very reactive like my Mom is how I realized this when I reflected back. She left our family when I was 12, so these were observations Ive made in my older years. I also have a tendency to go 0-100 too, at the end of the day its now my burden to bear to control that, so Im not using her behavior as a justification, its just a correlation. Ive talked with her about it and she agrees and apologized, although I didnt want apologies!!! I just wanted to understand why. She still has this 0 level of patience with animals and in arguments with other people too so, I feel bad for her that she lacks the self control because that spike in emotion has to be harder to deal with then being the receiver of it I guess. She did waterboard me when I was like 4 though, that was probably the most cruelest oddest punishment I received from her
My Dad never spanked us, because he didnt grow up being spanked in a household of 10 children and it was a source of arguments in their marriage because my Mom demanded my Dad hit us. She was very nasty and degrading to him (my own observations) when he wouldnt do so. However, my Mother did have a traumatizing childhood and she has a personality disorder, its not very easy to ration with her and its not so much her fault that that is the case.
At the end of the day she never intended to harm us so, theres no anger. Forgive and forget, and intent matters. I will not be spanking my children, anger and violence is a recurring theme in the past 4 generations of my family. I just dont see it necessary when I feel their are other effective methods. One positive side effect though is I was barely ever grounded, just got my ass beat and life went on, which was nice.
What a beautiful comment. I didn’t get that AT ALL, and fathered my kids like my dumbass dad did. Started changing that when they were 14 and 11, and I think they’re still confused. It’s not been easy. Glad your dad knew what was up. ❤
@@tedbkd1 If you explain all this to your kids now, chances are you managed to break the cycle of reactive punishment, it will not be handed down to future generations, and that'll be worth the effort.
Been along for the ride with you for 4 yrs now Jordan..and you are doing an outstanding job of opening our eyes in so many ways!!
Thank you!
Hope Im still watching and learning in 10 years! Thanks for all you do!
The moment I found out that my son had spinal muscular atrophy, at 6 weeks old, I also knew that he had to live. Nineteen (19) years later he lives and I am a better person.
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It's such a breath of fresh air listening to Alex after having to listen to the dunderheads in our media, government, and pop culture all day long. It's so refreshing to hear someone promote the things that are important. Thank you.
As a mother of a child with special needs huge hugs to this family. And great job on speaking out on how "perfection oriented" the world is
World wants to look away from what isnt perfect yet nature/ God is showing us variations are just as beautiful and no less worthy of love and good life … look after your self ❤
I often think if eugenics was a law half of the people I love, family members and friends, would not exist. I would not exist.
I remember reading a story about a boy with MD who could not speak, the moment his parents were able to afford a pc interface for communication he began composing music. He said he had always heard music but nobody ever knew.
Whats special about a defective human? please explain
Our greatest challenge is, as mothers, also our greatest motivation. With you, Sister.
@@brightpage1020 "Whats special about a defective human? please explain" care to explain why raising a demon is okay?
Jordan could have been born at any time in history and would have done great things. I thank god we have him in ours.
Alex is a true good man! Wonderful and inspiring interview. God bless him and his family.
I entirely agree...a lovely person.
The ideas about totalitarianism imbedded in our society so deeply is truely terrifying.
Thankyou for incredibly insiteful talk.
What two great men!
It's almost as if the inventors and creators (not the perpetrators) of communism, national socialism and every other ism have infiltradet every aspect of our lives, businesses and government and have full control over us with a totalitarian rule disguised as a world in which work makes you free aslong as you obey every rule and never ask questions.
O wait....
It's only totalitarianism if your not the autocrat.
I am willing to wager that such is an negative attribute that some personality types are prone to especially when there is an culture or ideology that enables such to take place in society. Any that is heavily control oriented towards others even so much as seeing them as live stock to be numbered and pushed around as pleased is something to be pushed to the margins or out altogether unlike how it has been in recent years with the cult of woke.
Truly/ insightful
Can't believe podcasts have evolved into this type of quality. This conversation was a real gift.
Being a dad is the best thing I've ever done.
Ok but who asked?
As much as I love Dr. Peterson he does have a grave defect when it comes to interviewing people which is he doesn't give them enough time to express themselves fully and at the end of the interview one is left with the feeling that you've just listened to another lecture rather than an interview.
30:21 the smile displayed after jordan saying him being there for his wife is like him being the white knight for a damsel in distress is so genuine it brought tears to my eyes
Dr. Peterson really enjoys those classic themes and symbols. It was a touching moment of the interview.
🤣🤣🤪"brought tears to my eyes". It doesn't take much to impress the little people.
@@Rose-ln9kp And it takes little to upset you. I'd rather pick Kevin's temperament than yours. Rather a life full of awe and wonder than a life full of bitterness.
@@Rose-ln9kp And you belang to the great people I suppose...
@@Rose-ln9kp - well, we obviously don’t expect animals to comprehend human life like crying. 😂😂😂
I’ve known Alex for most of my life (we rowed together - although not exactly at the same level!). He is one of the most deeply thinking individuals I know. In fact the deepest now I really think about it. His analysis of the fallacy between extreme left and extreme right is spot on. They are fighting over the same ground. The note on which this interview ends is the most profound and important I’ve heard in a long time for addressing todays problems. The Left/right spectrum is completely unhelpful (in fact essentially untrue) for understanding the world. The axis should be, as he said, the totalitarian instinct of devaluing humanity, arbitrary categorisation, domination and control backed up by the threat of violence at one end of the spectrum. At the other is the simple idea “love your neighbour as yourself”. (Preferably with the other of the two “great commandments” in front of it.) also the spectrum should be seen not as a horizontal axis; but rather as a vertical one. The top (love the Lord thy God; and love thy neighbour as thyself) leads to heaven. The other end leads to the pit of hell. (As has been proven repeatedly throughout history.)
Cheers Ted, good points, wished the interview had continued for a few more hours, really important discussion that felt cut off
There certainly is a left/right spectrum. (At least two of them in fact.) While it would be nice to think we could come to some agreement, it's naive to think so. Both the left and the right view the world completely differently.
Well said
Social humanity vs the Individual perspective. The classic Left/Right axis.
I would love to sit down and have such a talk with Mr. Story. I have been saying for over two decades that the arena of Left/Right are just the arbitrary goalposts set up by those in power, so that no matter which side the cats scamper to, it's a side the Elites control.
I find it interesting that during Jesus Christ's 40 days of temptation, when the Devil takes Him up to a High Place & shows Him 'all the kingdoms of the world' & says they are his to give to whomever he chooses. He says that if Jesus will only bow down & worship him, he will give them over. Jesus' response is to worship God the Father. However what Jesus does *not* do, is tell Satan he's wrong. Now certainly if the Devil did not have that authority, he certainly would have been corrected by the Son of God.
Nor did this change after the Resurrection, as we are told by the Apostle John that the Whole World lies in the 'Grip' of the Evil One. Whether one is a Christian & believes in the Bible or not, it is clear that the horrific, anti-human policies of world governments would please such a figure as the Devil tremendously.
I would wake up in the morning and for years just stay in bed and remain depressed and fall into the down spiral we all know too well especially when your in a place where you honestly don't care .I am on here to share that I found a few videos of JP lectures and they resonated with me .I would find ones on motivation, drive and understanding the biology , psychology and the neuroscience involved with the complete understanding that I have what it takes to not only reevaluate my life but even more so to understand what's going. On with me on body , mind ,spirit like essence .I didn't go to college never really applied or stuck with much in life .I have been empowered and got the confidence to rebuild and construct myself a new life in accordance to my vision with a very deep sense of grounding with a foundation that I been slowly but surely progressing and manifesting a new life .I am sharing this to give others hope and to see thank JP
Dr. Peterson, it is such a treat getting to watch you in a face-to-face format. I have been loving all of your DW+ interviews, of course--and your team does a great job with the productions, but nothing compares to the intimacy we see here. My mind and heart are full after watching this. Blessings to you both.
Life IS profound. It is a miracle. Everything out of this man's mouth was golden. Well said Alex!
I'm nearly 64, its Oct 2022. I deeply regret not having more children. I was a vegan and I had both my kids very young and I repeated to my kids in the mid 1970s the propaganda of over population and there was too many people. Now I see things completely differently. My son is approaching 50 and hes been asking me why it was so heavily preached that the world was overpopulated. The message was so strong both my kids became environmentalists and my son had a vasectomy at age 21. My daughter only had 1 child and constantly references people's " footprints". I used to live in a 8x25 foot trailer and I was completely self contained. I built my own septic field and grew my food. My son began to change his environmental perspective when he heard my daughter criticize my small dwelling as, "...your footprint is too big". Then my only grandchild died at age 28, her gall bladder removed, suffering from idiopathic arthritis, she was malnourished on low fat super processed faux foods. In never ending pain she took a fake percocet laced with fentanyl. Doctors only solutions are prescriptions. Now I talk about sustainable farming and have completely turned around my health by becoming a carnivore. I clearly see we are not producing enough educated people to support our superstructure; we despretly need more babies who are engineers and educated farmers using sustainable farming. The super processing of Franken foods is the real reason for so many Covid deaths and the explosion of diabetes and metabolic disfunction. The Gateway Drug is suger and we are dying.
Sorry about your story . I was trying to help to poor to Find out that i was missing The oportunities of capitalism and The oportunity to help farmers Other ways
Thankfully you can go find a young girl and have kids and your son can get his vasectomy reversed and get busy with finding a young girl that would love to have children. I recommend looking into the Church of Christ of Ladder-day Saints aka Mormons where you will find an abundance of young women ready and willing to have a wonderful big loving family.
First of all, it’s a woman you’re talking about. Second: stop advertising unhealthy relationships with massive age gaps, praying on cultural differences and/or poverty
"What is immovable is the thing that a lot of our leaders refuse to accept" - what a profound statement. So true!!❤❤
This talk is a gem even among your other talks! Thank you!
Alex story.... Wow..!
What an incredible figure.
Strong, incredibly intelligent , well-read, and yet very stoic and humble.
I'm definitely going to look more closely at what he has to say and what's available about him.
He seems to me to be in every sense of the word a real deal badass!
Me too.
Alex Story I cannot thank you enough. Your painfully simple and obvious confusion at the questions being effortlessly thrown your way has given more strength than you could ever imagine. Thank you Sir.
Imagine someone saying, "why didn't you kill your son?" Such evil.
@@SMacCuUladh - the malevolence is in couching the words in self righteous importance like “didn’t you know that the baby would be … you know… sick?”
Decades ago, in my 20s, I was hired as a bookkeeper in a state run facility for mentally retarded, emotionally disturbed and physically handicapped persons where they worked, made friends and received counseling. These people not only had these severe challenges but they had no money or family that could or would look out for them. To this day I so fondly recall some of them (Down's syndrome and mentally retarded individuals) and hope that they were safe and cared for throughout their lives for they were so purely loving and lovable. I once saw a photograph of a very poor Vietnamese woman bathing her grown, severely cerebral palsied daughter in a stainless steel tub in an outdoor shack. She was looking at her daughter with an expression of immense love for her and I thought what right does anyone, a genocidal eugenicist, have to decide that the girl has no right to her life and destroy such a meaningful relationship? I thought of parents who had perfect children and cared not at all about or for them Being concerned about overpopulation I used to resent people who had lots of children, pregnant women even, then I had a transcendent dream that changed that view completely. When I awoke from it, I sat up in my bed and said out loud "Thank you God for that dream!" I'd never done anything like that before.
Thank you for sharing that experience.
My experience, is having lived 36 years here, with autism - not on a non-verbal part of the spectrum, but on part of it where I can function just about enough, to sort of pass as functional. I can show up everyday, at my nominally stable factory job, and I eventually learned to like working hard, in that way. However, I have had great perceptual difficulty, in my 36 years, in learning to actually drive a car. Too much light and sound, etc. going on at once. So if you put all that together, then yes, I probably do run a risk of becoming homeless at some point. So then I would become a nomad, and play my guitar on the street for money, which is sort of the thing I'm good at anyway
Do I enjoy life? I have learned to enjoy what I am, but I am very different, to what I think society wants. I certainly will not reproduce, and not because I don't want to necessarily, but because I really don't fit too many things regarding society's mold. It wants you to be highly educated, and it wants you to love driving (in american culture), and it's preferable if you are pretty social, so you can help socialize your offspring. Those aren't things I am good at. So I have to wonder what jordan peterson would think of people like me. He should maybe interview people who are autistic or schizophrenic
Hi. I have the notion that the photo that you mention about the woman bathing her daughter in the steel bath is the photo Tomoko and Mother in the Bath ( look it up in Wikipedia). In this case her daughter was born disabled due to mercury poisoning that was caused by the release of methylmercury in the industrial wastewater from a chemical factory in Japan. Check the Minamata Disease article in wikipedia.
I'm not saying that this changes by any mean your point, on the contrary it points out how all these eugenists disregard and disrespect human lives.
There is no overpopulation and I'm saying that because the way that the population is calculated is not based or facts and censuses, but based on algorithms and estimates that count the births but not the deaths. If you add up the official population of all countries you are going to see that the population is actually shrinking instead of increasing. The developed countries have less children, and as consequence older population, while the undeveloped ones more children but higher birth and children mortality and lower life expectancy.
China that we assume that it has the highest population has actually the most serious demographic problem, as it had three generations of people that were forced to have only one child and they didn't actually allowed to have enough children to replace themselves ( the parents). The younger Chinese generations now don't bother to have any children or they have their first child later in their life. So it is a matter of decades to see Chinese population decreasing as the three generations that were forced to comply with the one child policy will start dying ( if this haven't start happening already as the life expectancy in China is not also that high...around 60-65 years of age). Their children are half of these people in numbers and their grandchildren the one third of them. Calculate these numbers to see how inaccurate actually is the assumption that China's population is increasing. In about 50 years would be only half of them, around 700 millions but keep in mind that we are talking about a huge country, that occupies almost the one third of Asia and it is larger than Europe.
@@uniquename846 you don't have to abstain from having kids just because you don't fit society's mold, I feel like that's what society wants. If you don't want to have them, fair enough, but just have in mind that you can raise them in a way that is against the norm
@@uniquename846 I think your suggestion the Dr. Petersen interview an autistic person is a very good one (I'm no sure about schizophrenia knowing to little about the condition). In the U.S. as many as one in 44 children are diagnosed with autism. There were 2 autistic children on my block in my previous neighborhood. When I was growing up the number was one in 10,000 and I knew no one or of anyone who was autistic. Thank you for your response.
This is profound; the deepest video on UA-cam. It is worth its weight in gold.
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Gosh, maybe it’s because I’m a dad of two but really, to me this is like in the top 3 best conversations I’ve heard Jordan have with a guest. Again, it’s probably cause I’m a dad. Thank you both. And I’m only halfway through! I had to stop to write this here. God bless you both.
I feel the same, with no kids. Amazing interview.
"everyone thinks their child is special..."
"...are you blind about your child? or are you blind to every other child?"
" And I would say, its the second that's true"
this part spoken to me for some reason.
My favorite parts of this episode was seeing Jordan act like the clinician he is. The emotion behind the stories about the son nearly brought tears to my eyes.
Clinician? You mean drug addict.
I cannot imagine someone telling a parent their child will be a burden on society. If the individuals of a society are not willing to take care of the children within their society, they are not civilized. They are the barbarians.
My wife has faced similar social taboo mentioned about halfway through the video from her obgyn. She has tattoos and I was stuck at work for a couple of the early appointments so her doc leaned heavily into the abortion, single mom, domestic abuse, dna testing for diseases, and drug questions to the point they were basically bullying her. Like we are married, drug free, anti abortion, from large supportive families, near 30, and as couple make more $ than the doc.
Its weird that the medical professional went from advice and help to "guidence" due to tattoos and a non present man for a few check up appointments. I work in a professional service and ik that the obygn was trying to lead the direction of care through customer support rather than normal counsultation. Ive done it with crappy customers, everyone in consulting fields knows what that vibe is.
Ngl i was livid and sad thinking about how many more naieve young ladies just trying to have babies were yanked around. Of all places, youd think the ob would be pro baby especially for women who said they are pro baby smh
You just described something that couldn’t happen without nearly complete corruption. We’re really there aren’t we. Well, best to you and your family. 🍻 ✌️ 🖖
About 10 years ago, I decided that I would not allow another doctor to ever talk down to me or bully me about anything. I won’t go into details, it’s not worth it. and once they start, I immediately shut them down and find someone else unless they get where I’m coming from. But I have ran into 50% of them turning out to be absolute trash human beings (my experience)
@@shannonlawsonnashville lol i personally know a ton of doctors, nurses, and nurse practitioners both as a patient and as friends outside of their career and you are pretty on point. Ultimately its a consultation and you are in charge of getting what you need.
The one thing to remember is that they are people doing jobs. Just like your own job there is room for slack, mistakes, sick days, hung over days, burn out, undercredentialism, overcredentialism, ect. The doctors coat doesnt sheild them from any of that.
Its why i like petersons approach, the means of behavior is ultimately as important as the results over time cause eventually everyone runs into things like burn out. We need means to fight those feelings and redirect them healthily as much as we need results or well eventually crash and lose the benefits of the results. Or like our cases, run into some really negative interactions haha
I think that type of prejudice is okay, tattoos are disgusting!
@@shannonlawsonnashville Only 50%? Count yourself among the lucky. I've come to find that most of them might be good at what they specialize in (I'd even question that), but outside of their specialty, most of them are utterly condescending and complete social morons.
One of my favorite meetings to date. I really appreciated Alex's story/point of view. Thank you for educating and bringing hope and understanding to our situations.
Seeing two people have a conversation in the same room is just plain better than a zoom call
I LOOK FORWARD TO THESE VIDEOS. Thanks Jordan and team for making these happen.
Jordan, you can never imagine how helpful and timely this podcast came to me personally. For decades I have been searching and hoping that a podcast of sane and intellectual discourse such as this to appear online. It's beyond belief that this channel simply popped up yesterday. I can describe it so far as the long-waited channel of just and intellectual opinions and worldviews thag the world is needing today. As the world and its leadership moves forwards with unpredictable pace towards modernization of human race, it almost and perhaps in one way or another would discard the importance of ethics, moral values, humanity as well as the long held traditions of the 'Judeo-Christian' tenets that shaped our modern world today. The rise of socialism among the youngs and elite politicians in America is alarming and potentially will ruin America from within in the next few decades. To be honest, this channel is almost a last bastion to re-educate and bring back to sanity the delusions caused by unbriddled liberalism that have began to sweep across the nations of the world. I hope and pray that more intellectuals will join and do what you are doing today. Thank you for this marvellous effort and God bless you.
Be sure and also watch his discussion with Alex Epstein.
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I'm glad you see things as they are. There are many times I hear Jordan Peterson referred to as "alt right," as though anyone not demonstrably left is "alt" anything.
This isn't politics, this is much closer to philosophy. If approaching the concept of life having meaning and actions having consequences is threatening to a political party, so be it.
The hypocrisy and lack of self awareness in this comment is legendary yet typical for your kind. You talk about ethics, humanity and intellectual discourse then immediately decend into neo-intellectualism and tribalism of blaming "not politics" but leftists for all of the world's problems...can you be anymore unintelligent, what did you get out of this exactly?? Are you then saying that the noble and ethical are found on the right? These men go on for hours talking about judgement and humanity and all you get out of it is blame the political ppl trying to give more human rights to more ppl...how profound!!
@@changetocome100 I believe his argument is how dangerous it is for unchecked progressive ideology to threaten traditions and values that have made everything we enjoy today possible. There is a place for progressive ideology, and progressive people. It just has to be in balance, and there are some on the extreme who might unintentionally bring our nation to an end.
I don't get the impression you'll see his argument this way, however, as you seem to immediately dive into tribalism (example: "your kind," which has basically never been a decent thing to say to someone) and anger. You'll see what you want but at least don't be a jerk.
@@craigape I intentionally use and stand behind every last word. Im so sick of the American racism and politics, that is literally baked in and rooted in the same pseudo science these men i thought were meaning to debunk or discuss. Any human being that presumably is proficient in American history and politics has serious blindspots if they think the rightwing of America is the ethical standard for any politics or decency in any nation. I can easily pickout horrible individuals, policies, propanga on either side, however, I dont see "both sides" as equal let me clear becsuse intent matters- one grp wants to literslly kill ppl, while the other grp's extreme wants ppl to accept them. The minute you only see harm on one side, i already know youre not as intellectual or the humanist you are claiming to be.
Absolutely awesome talk. Two brilliant, insightful and beautiful souls having a talk that touched everything adequately!!!!!
God bless you for seeing your son simply as your son. Downs children, in my experience, are so incredibly wonderful they can alter your perspective between handicapped and normal. It is wonderful how both these men exemplify how growing together with their wives through adversity can be so very rewarding.
Just this would be a great conversation, but your ongoing subjects are totally fascinating. May God bless you both abundantly, and may you be blessed with a Christ-filled life!
They truly are wonderful!!!!
Thank you for sharing about your son Joshua. Beautiful. This particular podcast really nailed everything we are seeing. Thank you both so much.
This is one of the best episodes since Jordan's health crisis
I watched this for an hour, and this is what stayed echoing in my head "People vote for there dreams, not there reality"
Thank God for people like Alex. It’s really disgusting to see the world at a state where people don’t hold their tongue, and think of abortion so casually. Alex not physically seeing that his son has Down Syndrome implies complete unconditional love. It’s so inspiring! ❤
When I was pregnant with my first son, we found out I had the genetic mutation for Cystic Fibrosis. My husband had to get his DNA checked to see if he had it as well. While we were waiting for his results, he suggested abortion if he had it. I said, “No way!” I almost divorced him over it. He didn’t understand why I wasn’t anxious for the results, and I told him it was because we were having this child either way. My family told me I was being selfish, because they felt our child would suffer too much during his shortened life. Wouldn’t it be much more selfish to abort him?
Re: Alex & wife being young parents - I’m the oldest of all of the other moms around me. I had my first son at 33, a miscarriage at 35, and another son when I was 37. I go to school events for my teenagers, and I see how young all of the parents are. They must assume I’m their Grandma. 😂
My mother was 39 when she had me. My classmates had young mothers. I was embarrassed for about 30 seconds. Later i realized how lucky i was as i knew neither grandmothers😂
There was a Russian popstar, beautiful, successful, fantastic smile. She and her husband were going to have their first child, and during one of the pre-natal exams, it was discovered she had brain cancer. If she were given therapy, she'd probably live, but it would kill the baby. If she chose to carry the baby to term, she would probably die. She chose to have the baby, and two years later, she passed away. That kid is going to grow up knowing that his mother loved him that much.
I contrast this to how a country music star committed suicide, a year after her boyfriend did, leaving behind a baby and a toddler. She murder the mother of her children. She made life a lot more hellish for them, and if they grow up thinking she didn't love them--they'd be right.
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When I pick up the kids, I just hike my pants up and say "is this the right school?" And "where is the soft serve?" And "it's getting dark, better get the Lincoln home" hahah yep, I embrace the dad/grandpa question
What a wonderful, deeply thoughtful, deeply moral guest. Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for giving him a platform.
Alex you were a knight in a past life 🙏 I salute you Sir. Insightful, spot on and relevant. My mother was disabled, caught Polio in Hongkong. People can be cruel . I experienced this from a very young age. Your life has obviously been enriched by your Son 🥰
My son was born with downs, we did know and have zero regrets. He has enriched our family in a million ways. I feel like I’m in a special club 🥰
In 1984 by Orwell the destruction of the family was very necessary, and they succeeded because they empowered the children to be able to report parents for thought crime.
We see some of this with kids empowerment to decide for themselves who and what they will be, and parents are compelled to agree with their children, for fear of losing them to government agencies.
Marvellous conversation. Story is very charismatic and impressive. I hope to hear more from him.
"The most important thing is living, and life" - that is courage and wisdom right there.
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Alex's view on privilege is the same exact way I always thought of it: when family is intact and both parents are there at home, that is privilege.
I love when JP goes into clinical psychologist mode.
I love it too--his psychologist/philosopher personality cannot help but come out and analyze things more deeply, and it's often funny to me when sometimes when his guest just isn't quite as deep of a thinker, and they don't quite know how to respond to it all
Alex Story... I wish I heard more of you speak in this talk..
It's a pity Alex Story couldn't find a place in the Conservative party, he speaks so well, with insight and integrity. Great interview
I cannot believe that anyone would ask a parent of a child with Down syndrome why they would go through with the pregnancy. The fact that it happened multiple times is insane to me.
Noticing what people are actually saying when they speak is one of the best things I've learned from Jordan Peterson.
I’ve been experiencing a strange (but exciting) phenomenon for the past couple of years regarding Dr. Peterson.
I’m an inquisitive person who loves to learn new things, so I read and research various subjects to develop my understanding of the world. However, whenever I’m studying a particular topic or pondering a question, Dr. Peterson releases content covering that exact subject or question (This synchronicity has been very useful).
I just finished Thomas Sowell’s “Intellectuals & Race.” - Now to watch this episode!
Thomas Sowell’s work is getting recommended often in the UA-cam algorithms in the last couple months so that may have something to do with that synchronicity
That book should be required reading for every high school. It was my start with Sowell, now having read about a half dozen more...and I'm not an avid reader. White Liberals and Black Rednecks, and Vision of the Annointed support and further expand on topics covered in Intellectuals and Race. These books kick the stool out from under many of the prevalent main stream ideologies.
@@roddydykes7053, Perhaps you’re right - who knows what subconsciously influences our decision making.
I started with Dr. Sowell’s “Basic Economics” which lead me to read his other books. I wish he were younger so that he could do an interview with Dr. Peterson.
@@ronp8865, I agree entirely! - The moment I started reading “Basic Economics,” I said the same thing. It’s so clear and concise that it cuts through all of today’s destructive economic policies with ease.
JP is living rent free in your head.
This was incredible, loved every second of it. As real as it gets
In observing this interview with Alex Story, it strikes me that Dr. Peterson's technique has been honed through his years of interviewing patients. You can see that Dr. Peterson carefully thinks through how to phrase his question in order to draw out Alex and really explore this topic in depth. Outstanding interview, as always.
Over 45 years ago I dated an English teacher who said he felt those who were "defective had no right to life". I was shaken by this having never met any person "developmentally disabled", the term then. With my education behind me I had employment evaluating care of infants who grew into children over the years who were discharged by Childrens Hospital to their family homes where parents were trained to do tube feedings and care of ventilators in most cases, who thrived under the 24 hour care in their parents home and respite care and training by registered nurses. With the close bonding I saw miracles happen. The children were so very special and loving and I was priveledged to know these people. The growth of the individuals was impressive, mothers going to nursing school, siblings learn sign language, and marriages strong. A father who knew more about his sons diagnosis than the doctors and he advoacted for all the best treatment and got it. Infants predicted to not survive beyond a year were growing into preschool and kindergarden walking and talking plugging their trachs. Such a wonderful way to spend public money. So nuch was learned by all of us. I will never forget them and regret I could not learn about the longer range development, but it was all so worth it and to see he strength of the family build with so much love that all of us would have never known.
Briefl, another sitation in my profession reviewing the quality of care of thoe who grew up through the institutions was a young man in his early twneties, now an adult with cerebral palsy, that causes damage at varying degrees from birth injury, often from forceps assit from the birth canal. A report by his psychologist reported he was depressed since he felt he had no right to live since he was not normal as he saw others. That saddened me to understand how his disablity affected his feelings of right to live. Ee was certainly not inferior. He had a love of life and a round of friends in the setting I knew him. I learned a new kind of compassion and respect. Know these people are just as deserving as any of the rest of us and that they have special characteristics, the ability to love with a depth of understanding and love most of us never understand. We must never look down on any of them or consider them less deserving. We can afford to provide them with the needed support, and must provide those resourses. Family support when home as they stabiize is often too rationed that famliies are strapped beyond belief. Institutions get the biggest share of the money but fortunately there are far fewer who are ever in state institutions. Parents are not encouraged to institutinalized as before thankfully.
Without people who need compassion how would we learn it.
Thank you for sharing your experiences and compassion.
I once had a conversation with a post-doc colleague of mine. We were discussing about an exam women could do during pregnancy that would purportedly detect a number of diseases. The trade-off was that there was a higher risk of abortion by doing the exam. I argued that my wife and I preferred to run the risk of having any baby than none. And naïvely added, what would you do if you discovered the baby had some disease, abort the baby? To which our interlocutor (we were both Ph.Ds), with a certain attitude of moral superiority, replied: of course. I thought to myself... wow!.. these people lost any limit indeed.
I was born with a genetic defect that both decreases the quality of my life and my overall lifespan. As a result, I've spent a lot of time in hospital departments wherein I've met a lot of people suffering the same fate. Two of the friends I made there died by the disease, and one carried out suicide. I attended their funerals, consoled their families, etc. The one who killed himself had left a note in which he blamed his family for not aborting him despite knowing that he'd get the disease (his mother was symptomatic at the time of conception).
After reading it, I remember asking my parents "Did you know that I'd have to deal with this my entire life?" Their answer: "Of course not, we'd never do that to you." This has been a relief.
Please know that aborting a baby in these circumstances is not about you, it is about the baby, and the adult that baby is inevitably grow into.
Where, and in what area did you do your Ph.D?
@@tomgreene1843 lol lefties citation needed!
@@selimgure same tired eugenics argument. Yawn
I'm conservative but I'm reluctantly pro-abortion. Ultimately a ten week old fetus does not have the ability to suffer. A baby that will be born with severe genetic defects will suffer for their entire life. If you can scan a fetus and detect numerous defects early, terminating the pregnancy and trying again is the more moral choice, if you believe morality to be "that which causes the least pain and suffering to the sentient." Frankly I think the far-left, and the very conservative are both ludicrous on this issue. You can see the moral argument for terminating a fetus if it will be severely impaired, and you can easily see the moral argument for chastising and condemning the ridiculous lefties that see no issue with living hedonistically and then basically using abortion as birth control.
What an awesome conversation.
All of these are excellent - and - this one was REALLY something. I was actually leaning forward listening to this. Illuminating - and frightening. The linkages lead me to several epiphanies. “We” have lost our balance in such a big way. His point of the loss of humanity in our society really hit home. Thank you for sharing.
1:35:30 onwards Mr.Alex Story pinpoints exactly the current state of the world sociopolitical and economical problems we are facing and the Birdseye view that we must employ. I learned so much from this talk. Wow. Thank you!
When the world constricts, the predators come to feed on our sensitive many.
Thank you for being a force for truth, rather than seeking to dominate and enslave our peers.
What a stimulating, authentic, heartfelt discussion. Great duo! ⭐️🌻
Mr. Story makes an excellent point! As a society, we have strayed so far away from the basics of gratitude, reciprocity, kindness, love and respect, that we fall for the devil's tricks easier and easier as time goes on.
I practice what I preach! I teach my children to do the same. Please be kind, humble and understanding towards one another. The Tyrants pin us against one another as they sit on their high perch and watch us struggle. Your life and livelihood is nothing to them, you're just a pawn in their game of deceit.
God Bless you all. 🙏
I'm 62 y/o and I've been pretty lucky and had an interesting life. But I've missed out on a lot of big, profound experiences because I grew up in that age when getting away with lack commitments was easy, condoned, promoted and rewarded. And I was good at it. The joke was on me and I though I'm fortunate enough not to be wallowing in regret I do wish I'd had Peterson's advice when I was about 15. I believe I would have lived a richer life.
I'm your fan and love your podcasts. Great works Dr. Peterson. Keep us enlighted. Grateful and humble at the same time. Thank u very much for what u are doing
Wow! 11 minutes in and what an interesting story! A true Renaissance man. Mr. Story, please run for PM and save Mother England 🏴 from what’s going on now. Much respect and best wishes for you and your family from the Colonies!
I have a daughter who is Downs Syndrome. I know what he means about seeing his son as beautiful. Beautiful souls to. The world is blessed to have these folk living among us. They are fragments of God.
Wow, at last someone else who has done the research and traced the history and timelines of the chaos and problems we are all facing now. Alex Story is spot on with his facts and assessment. This is one of the best conversations JP has engaged in. We need to hear more from Alex.
1:04:00 Thank you for stopping to explain things, I imagine it could be very easy to skip over this and assume everyone watching will understand, Appreciate it 👍
Whoever is reading this, i pray that whatever you’re going through gets better and whatever you’re struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
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Amen! I pray the same for you and God bless you 🙏🏻
using something that should be a point of reverence to fish for likes...gross
Thank you I pray for the same to you and all others.
Thank you and God bless
@30:12 Brilliant. You can see how proud and happy Alex was at your observation. Great moment!
That look on Alex’ face at 30:20 brought tears to my eyes. Jordan’s ability to put the pieces together is just mind-blowing.
I am glad to see that Alex here, agrees with me when he said "these people are becoming more anti-human". I have been saying this for a while now. Good video as always.
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@@CONEHEADDK I try my best to as well, sir.
As a native speaker, I can tell you the difference between 'I'm' and 'I am' are generally unimportant. It is not even that big in terms of style, though it can say something about the person (I would probably want more evidence to verify this though, a 'cluster of tells'.
I didn't notice this difference as I was reading it, especially given the context of a video comment section. I think the main focus for a typical video comment should be (1) substance and (2) clarity.
Where I would see this difference mattering is in lyrics to a song or in poetry (and a comment can technically have this), in large part due to the number of syllables. Also, the style would be more important in that context.
@@mintee8638 Well put.
@@CONEHEADDK Ah, that makes more sense, since it was already edited. I am not sure what happened then, but anyway...
I hope to see Mr Story appear again here or on other podcasts. Wonderful man with incredible insight.
Thank you, Dr Peterson for continously posting and keeping us in update with all the auditions you put out there. You are remarkable and thank you for your excellence.
A friend was being strongly coerced and encouragd by the health service to terminate her pregnancy of twin boys who were allegedly suffering Downs Syndrome identified as heart defects and various findings on ultrasound at 12 weeks. She refused. In the end, the two boys were not Down Syndrome, they were normal healthy baby boys. Ultrasound tests are not always accurate.
Tests are accurate , but sadly not all doctors are good at reading them. They should all be experts, but they are not . Some are great and some are not very good, in my experience true 3 pregnancies.
We have to wake up ,… it’s not flawed tests or just plain incompetency, theses people believe in population control, euthanasia , and will lie to your face,…we cannot trust the medical system or Governmental systems ,..Covid should have taught us this lesson , they don’t care about scientific facts… they have a religion they follow against C02 and to them , the carbon footprint of every new Human Being is a price they’re willing to pay / or they are“ just following Orders “ , as the former Nazi accomplice would say,
Also ,it’s wonderful to hear that the boys are healthy and safe ,… I wish you and your friends family all the best.
Really enjoyed that, learned a few new things and the correlations at the end were beautifully wrapped up. Alex was very insightful and thoughtful, it was a rich active discussion.
Also went on a quest to understand history. I was pulled in for years, and traveled to the very beginning. A journey worth taking for sure.
Thank you Jordan Peterson! We are over 50 years happily married. Just loving to watch your podcasts. We are truly worried about Europe! I am sure it will come to Canada soon.
I am pretty sure there are huge number of audience waiting for conversation between Dr Jordan Peterson and Dr Gabor Mate. I am one of them. It would be a wonderful memory if that happens.
As the older sister of 4 boys I have always socialized easily with men on their level. While this made dating in my youth a nightmare as no man wants to date a girl that acts like his brother it is very effective in my medical practice. Early in my marriage my husband would be irked by my very congenial socializing with any man. It took a decade for him to understand that after the first week we met each other I could never see another man in a romantic or sexual way, not even on a movie screen. Even I found it surprising, my female sexual interest was locked on him exclusively. In one fell swoop all other men just became (in my mind) asexual drones. I think this blindness of love really is a gift from God. I asked my husband how he got past most of his annoyance with me talking to men. He said it was because every time he mentioned it, the look on my face wasn’t angry it was always repulsed. Like “Ughhhh, Yuck! That’s just gross 🤮 “
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What a great interview to listen to, and what honourable and well-spoken men!
Loved this conversation. Alex please keep being that old fashioned old school dad your children will thank you later. I lost my father last month, the best dad ever solid family man. I am crying every day I miss him so much. He was always there for his family a hard worker strict but fair who supported and loved his wife my mother. Keep doing what you are doing Alex the world needs more men like you.
Thank you for putting timestamps. That's an extremely compassionate thing to do.
We need Dr. Peterson now more then ever. The world is getting more dangerous by the hour.
So many times people act as if life is happening TO them. It’s so nice to hear Mr. Story’s reminder that WE make the choices that shape our lives. Decide who you WANT to be and act accordingly.
Life doesn't happen TO people? Okay buddy, I don't know what world you live in but that is completely false ! There are choices made by our parents ,government, and predators that shape our lives in ways we would never want. If I make the choice to drive to the store for groceries and a drunk driver plows into me after running a red light and kills my passenger- that whole traumatic experience didn't happen TO me? So is it the woman's fault she was raped and murdered in her home because she "chose" to be asleep when a man breaks in to commit a crime? Your reasoning is completely flawed. There are numerous factors that impact our lives that we have absolutely no responsibility for. Life does happen to us. We have choices, but there are limitations placed on us and we are not in control of others.
Nobody gets to choose what race or gender they are. Nobody gets to choose the family they are born into. Nobody gets to choose the illness they are born with. If your theory was correct, we would have a ton of super-humans walking the Earth. You know how many women want to be beautiful? How many people want to be intelligent? How many people want to be able to sing? Your type of reasoning causes people to become delusional. We are limited being. We have boundaries to our existence. "Decide who you WANT to be and act accordingly" is a dangerous motto because it's out of touch with reality.
Dr. Peterson, I have a profound respect for your work and it has had a profound impact on me. I would ask one thing of you. Please let your guests finish their thought. I have found the person you are interviewing on several occasions to be fascinating and I want to hear what they have to say but they are often interrupted by you. I can’t imagine what it’s like to have conversations with people and listen to them talk while you are so brilliant and have so many things to add to the conversation. I don’t know what that is like. I would just ask that you allow your guests to develop their thought so that we all may benefit from their intelligence and perspective as we have benefited from yours. Much love and respect.
Anyone who has ever watched Jordan B. Peterson even just once knows that the big rat lets the little rat win at least 33% of the time.
I am not even 10 minutes into this... and I cant help but be enthralled by a man who exists who is a master at his craft and asks very respectfully the right questions.
Alex Story is so patient in this dialogue