🙌🏻 caffeine has a lot of great brain benefits, but the trick is to wait about 90 minutes 2 hours before having your coffee in the morning. 🤦🏻♀️ It doesn’t shorten your life, most studies show it will actually extend your life and help you stay healthier for longer
When I went to a Mormon church when I was a kid and the adults said it was because caffeine is not healthy. I'm like ok.... "then why do you drink a 2 L of Dr. Pepper everyday?"
@@junkmalme Coffee and caffeinated teas are specifically named in our law of health called the Word of Wisdom. But it also says, “anything harmful that people purposefully take into their bodies is not in harmony with the Word of Wisdom”and goes on to recommend things we should try to eat to maintain our good health, such as vegetables, fruits, and grains. Caffeine is harmful because it can be an addictive substance to many. We try to avoid being beholden to addictions so that we can exercise our free agency untethered to substances. This also means that we should try to avoid excess in other areas of our lives, such as avoiding too much sugar and yes, chocolate, which also contains caffeine. It doesn’t mean we can’t have chocolate or caffeinated drinks from time to time. We just need to be careful for the sake of our health.
This rule used to confuse me so much. I had a friend in middle school who asked for a sip of my drink after my mom brought me lunch. Taking a sip she immediately spat it out (it was sweet tea) and said “sorry I can’t have tea because it has caffeine” and then the kicker “I thought it was Coke” (which contains caffeine). Apparently in their Mormon family instead of having coffee or tea to wake up they would drink coke or Pepsi or Dr Pepper and I’m just like ??? That’s still caffeine
Coke is also terrible but it doesn't have as much caffeine as a cup of coffee. Some people are more strict about this than others as well. The point is to avoid caffeine addiction.
@@viviancardenas5032 sweet tea has less caffeine than Coke... So why would she spit out sweet tea for the little caffeine and be okay with coke with more caffeine??
So this is actually a common misconception. It’s not about the caffeine. It never was it was just made to be like that. It’s more about the addictive aspect of coffee which is usually attributed to the caffeine (coffee has significantly more caffeine than sodas which is why it’s more recognized as addictive and that’s why we see it as bad; however any addiction to soda or caffeine pills or whatever is not encouraged at all either) I hope this helps a little bit!
So this is actually a common misconception. It’s not about the caffeine. It never was it was just made to be like that. It’s more about the addictive aspect of coffee which is usually attributed to the caffeine (coffee has significantly more caffeine than sodas which is why it’s more recognized as addictive and that’s why we see it as bad; however any addiction to soda or caffeine pills or whatever is not encouraged at all either) I hope this helps a little bit!
The tannins(a yellowish or brownish bitter-tasting organic substance present in some galls, barks, and other plant tissues, consisting of derivatives of gallic acid, used in leather production and ink manufacture) in tea are also not healthy for your body. Again some people are stricter about drinking tea as well. It just really depends. I personally don't drink it because it tastes like straight up dirt. Not my vibe.
It is there is a condition listed with people behavior that don't get there coffee anger is one of them foggy menal focus. Withdrawal lost of energy these things can make the spirit withdraw from you when you need him the most.
@@Ocker3 yeah “, it’s pretty crazy that the most caffeinated and sugary drink is ok, but coffee is not. It’s just like adderall being ok because it comes from a a Dr. SLC is full of adderall addicts. They find ways to justify certain things.
@@nativeoutdoors1780 what am I lying about? God said no to coffee but Moutan dew was ok? What bible verse was that? “Thou shallith not drinkith coffee but sweet Mountain Dew nectar comes from the true god, Joseph smith”
My mother controlled me in a lot of ways, but one thing she could never do was stop me from cutting my hair whenever I wanted to. All you need is some alone time and some scissors, secateurs, a knife, a lighter (don't actually use a knife or a lighter please), whatever it takes to show mom who's the *real* boss of your own body.
Yeah lmao I remember at 17, my mum who I wasn't even living with at the time, cried and told me her heart was broken when I cut my hair short. Like ok dude it's not even your hair, the guilt tripping isn't gonna work.
@@mspaint93Reminds me of the time I came out as Bi and my father said “that goes against my faith” full well knowing I left his faith a while ago. Like… and??? 👀
Honestly, reminds me of my dad mentioning that he misses my long hair multiple times as though that would get me to think about my hair and grow it out again
There's a story that says soup is actually the reason they changed it from hot drinks to coffee and tea, don't know if it's true but my uncle likes to say it is
I grew up LDS and the reasoning I heard was that caffeine is a drug and can cause addiction. Addiction = bad. But when I mentioned that chocolate, fat and sugar can be addicting too I just got told "it's not the same" without further elaboration. Also coffee in reasonable amounts is fine for the general population. But everyone should decide for themselves if it's right for them. I LOVE coffee but coffee doesn't love me. It makes me sick and stressed. I'm probably a slow caffeine metabolizer. Anyway, what I hated about the caffeine dogma was how many LDS members treat caffeine the same as cigarettes, alcohol, and even hard drugs like heroin. I witnessed one member talk about how their friend quit hard drugs by replacing it with things like caffeine, and instead of praising their friend for getting clean they criticized them for "trading one addiction for another." I was thinking, "are you effing kidding me?"
THIS! The point I think is addiction. What they failed to explain is that ANYTHING GOOD CAN BECOME DETRIMENTAL AS AN ADDICTION! CHOCOLATE CAN BE AN ADDICTION! CHOCOLATE CAN BE BAD FOR YOU! However, your health choices are up to you and the Lord. If the Lord says you are getting too sucked into this said thing then it's time to take a break. Caffeine just happens to be very addictive, so it's more general. Just like technically drugs are good, unless you are addicted to them.
Well, I think the friend should seek a therapist to help him with the addictive behavio because he can relapse into hard drugs. However there is not comparison between the damage of hard drugs to the body and the minor damage of coffee in large amounts. Coffee can be even beneficial to your heath in reasonable doses.
@@tiarezavaleta8850 Absolutely. I don't know the full story about the friend. They might have gone to therapy but those details were left out. But replacement behavior does significantly improve the ability to quit an addiction. And yeah, caffeine can have certain health benefits for certain people. Caffeine metabolization speed plays a role here and it's determined by genes. I'm in the camp of people who're better off without it, but many people are fine with it.
Caffeine is a psychoactive drug similar to nicotine. I'm not Mormon, but when I was getting my degree in Psychological Anthropology, I learned that caffeine is in fact addictive complete with withdrawals, etc. I quit coffee, went to tea, and I am far less tired everyday. For what is worth.
My family lived in Utah in the early 2000s (we’re Catholic) and the no coffee thing baffled my mom to no end (she drinks 1-2 cups of black coffee a day). When she asked about it most people gave her the logic of “oh, we’re not supposed to drink caffeine.” However, she would notice that they’d drink sodas like Pepsi and ask why the sodas, and their answer was “oh, caffeine doesn’t work if the drink is cold.” So my mother, with it being the early 2000s so search engines weren’t the best and her being the petty queen she is, called Dr Zorba’s show on NPR AND GOT SELECTED TO GO ON THE AIR to ask if this was true (it of course wasn’t). Don’t know how many people actually listened to that broadcast, but she made sure the nation knew she was calling out the Mormon BS when she saw it.
“Sometimes God gives us commands just to make sure we follow them” That actually reminds me of the “No Brown M&M Rule” from Van Halen. They had a LOT of safety checks that needed to be adhered to by a venue to perform, so they put in a bullshit rule halfway down their needs list of “No Brown M&Ms in the dressing room”. If they found Brown M&Ms, they knew the venue didn’t read the checklist properly and made sure to call them out on it.
But this isn't about making sure a venue can withstand the behemoth of a show that was Van Halen. It's more about projecting a specific translation of a Bible verse onto the populace.
Brown M&Ms were used for safety of a fallible and mortal rock band. If God sees you when you're sleeping, and knows when you're awake, and knows if you've been bad or good, He doesn't need secret checks. He already knows.
I worked with a Mormon software developer that annihilated Mountain Dew Kickstarts all day. I asked him about it and he said that the Book of Mormon only referred to coffee and tea. As a observant Jewish person, it's made me want to find the Hebrew word for "pepperoni." 😂
Yeah, that kind of sounds like he was just making an excuse as a loophole to get his caffeine fix. I did the same when I got hooked on Boba tea drinks thinking, "well, they're so diluted with milk and cream there can't be that much caffeine in there. Like how chocolate contains a little caffeine, but it's okay to eat that. And it's served cold, not hot!" But those were just excuses I made to myself.
Yep, people will cut corners and justify where they can. I guess they have to want to actually take care of their bodies. I'm Mormon. I drink "Amino". A caffeienated powder mix. I limit myself to at most 4 scoops a day (2 cups of coffee worth total). I use it as intended, and because deployment left me eternally fatigued it seems. It take it early in the day to not jack up circadian rhythm, and make room for what the body really needs. Water. The LDS church is my religion yes, but choice is still a thing we fully support. Which means people still have to consider their own health and use their brains. Some people just want to justify poor choices for their bodies. As if the Book of Mormon can cover every possible future drink...
@@TheArtymuse The caffeine isnt the issue. We've been asked not to consume coffee beans or byproducts made from coffee beans or anything made from the Camellia sinensis plant (like green tea, black tea, yellow tea, etc. ) and we choose to follow it.
Perhaps they also want you to be sluggish when you go to church so you’re more likely to comply with their rules. (Behavior control on top of behavior control.) Any religion that would force me to give up coffee is a religion I don’t want to go near. I don’t smoke, I rarely drink…coffee is literally my only vice. Let me at least have my coffee! 😂
Except they eat chocolate, drink caffeinated diet sodas, and they drink hot chocolate which obviously all have caffeine. So on top of the behavior control, the majority of Mormons don't actually believe in the thing they are defending unless it is specifically tea or coffee. According to a report from Hershey, Utah consumes more chocolate per Capita than any other state, and I remember, growing up, that everyone in the church wore that as a badge of pride. Good on them for enjoying their chocolate, but obviously they shouldn't judge people for drinking coffee.
@@benevolentworldexploder5395 i didn't know that... my great grandfather's whole family including mother, father, and his 8 siblings never had any of those things. I think my uncle Bob the last brother alive only started drinking caffeinated stuff cuz he was old and said "I'm too old to care anymore". my great grandfather led Mormonism when he left home... he said it's cuz he wanted to drink non decaf coffee 😂 he was funny
Its just insane nonsense. Like all abrahamic religions they threaten people into submission by fear. Pleasures and joys are limited because when your dead you'll be punished. You just need to give us money and we will make sure that doesn't happen. Because Jesus loves capitalism. Or something. Anyway, the reason coffee is listed and other things aren't is because in gods infinite wisdom and knowledge of all things past, present, and future he didn't know caffeinated sodas and other various drinks would exist, nor did he know they would connect caffeine to chocolate. Because you know, god sees and knows all except for what renders the text pointless in the future.
actually the real reason was because the founder (Joseph smith) was trying to isolate his wife emma and getting rid of her tea time was one of the things he could do to do that
I had a Mormon friend growing up and they were anti-caffeine in the form of coffee or tea, but they were fine with caffeine in soda. It was so weird to me. I remember one of her other friends that was also Mormon got chastised for accepting tea at someone's house. I had accepted it because I had never had a reason not to. My friend declined. And the other friend accepted it. When we got back home, my friend was like "mama amber drank tea over there!" and so she was chastised. We were like 8 years old. 🙄
that is vary wearied i'm not sure why they were so crazy about that. most people aren't like that and don't judge you if you were to drink coffee or tea but then again there is always people like that.
I dated an ex Mormon girl briefly (as all my relationships have been because I suck) she told me that Mormons overlook soda because the church of latter day saints owns stock in PepsiCo. I don't know if she was bullshiting but her parents, brothers, grandpa and Aunt were always drinking Pepsi when I saw them.
@@The_Jimplication no are church doesn't own stock in soda companies. in what we call the word of wisdom it says not to drink caffeinated drinks enclouding all sodas. this doesn't mean that no one drinks caffeine a lot of people do in fact but that doesn't mean we dis on them for drinking that, it is their choice to drink whatever they want.
Not to mention, the way they bought Pepsi stock in the 90's and then came out and were like "Caffine is okay if it's cold and it's Pepsi" and now there's free Pepsi fountains at Lagoon theme park in Orem UT. 🙃
Coke is the stock they own and Lagoon is in Farmington (which is on the completely opposite side of the Salt Lake City valley versus Orem) and nothing would ever be free there. TF all these people doing liking that DA comment?
I keep several copies of the little blue book and the oldest is rather thick and little to no editing out, each newer copy after that gets progressively slimmer as they edit out stuff sometimes for the sake of avoiding that good old plural marriage issue or whatever, it's weirdly entertaining to wait for the newest version and see what might be missing or edited.
@@Nerobyrne didn't they change it because it was illegal and they were about to get in trouble? It would've been the greatest religious freedom case of all time if they'd doubled down tho lol
If you are talking about the Book of Mormon, It's probably just formatting and thinner paper. There is nothing taken out for hundreds of years. I'm sure if you read them side by side you will see they are the same (That's if you're talking about the book of Mormon). As for the Polygamy thing please Don't confuse the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints with other organizations like the reorganized (RLDS) or other break away sects that ate not affiliated.
My friend grew up mormon and would always get excited about having tea at my house. I was so confused about that until she explained it to me. So strange lol
So, as a member of the church, I can still drink tea, and really whatever I want. Usually tho you drink/eat what your parents drink/eat which I would say is pretty common in all religions. I can see how people who weren’t born into the church or anything could view it as strange. I view it as second nature but like you do you. Your opinion is your own so long as you’re respectful of others, and like also my dads family are all member and they drink tea. I don’t because my mom doesn’t. So I promise it’s not a thing of being a member or not. I have had tea before, just not a lot
Chelsea Karren oh I get it. There were members of her church that I do believe had tea and coffee. I tried my best to he respectful but I was thrown into a lot of things with no context so I guess it was almost a culture shock lol. I don't care if someone drinks tea or coffee. And if I come off negative it is only because I had some pretty bad experiences with the mormon church again as a kid with no context in the religion lol.
@@StayingInTheShadows2 yeah I get that. It doesn’t seem judgey or anything. There are some people (I don’t want to say a lot or a few bc it’ll come off wrong) that have had bad experiences with the church. The way I see it, nobody is perfect. But the church doesn’t preach anything like murder or judge one another. In fact the prophet said quite the opposite that we can’t judge because we don’t know. If I seem judgey Im tired and don’t function well that way. I do recommend looking into the church as an adult or whatever age you are, and try to get some new perspective because in my experience bad people are everywhere. Bad experiences are everywhere. But there’s also a lot of good everywhere. If you look in on it now with fresh eyes, you may rewrite your bad experience and you may have a different opinion. I ofc can’t tell you what to do and it’s your choice but that is what I recommend
Okay so some members of the church still drink things that we aren’t classically supposed to drink in the church. I’m a member of the church. I don’t drink those things, but that’s a personal choice
@@chelseakarren2515 I think the question is more around the basis of the rule. If the church says "no hot drinks," why is hot chocolate allowed, but not hot coffee or tea? What about hot soup or broth? If the rule is "no caffeine," why is Pepsi okay, but not iced coffee?
I once read a headline that 2 cups of coffee a day can extend your life. to which I have concluded based on my consumption habits I must be immortal. so I have done no more and refuse to look further into this settled issue.
I can't believe I have to defend the church but here I go, when you decide to join the church you make a promise to follow all it's rules even the most stupid ones. You're not being forced to be a member of the church but if you're you should follow all it's guidelines. It's like being member of a gym you're expected to follow the gym's rules whether they make sense to you or not.
I’m a member and a Sunday school teacher. I always clarify to my classes that the word of wisdom is not about health. It’s about obedience and separating yourself from the world and that by obeying you will receive health benefits. Members often try to come up with health reasons why it prohibits certain things. But they shouldn’t. Giving worldly answers to explain spiritual laws just leads to stuff like this video. The answer is not ‘cause coffee and alcohol is bad for you’. There a lot of things that are bad for you like sugar that are not mentioned. If it was about health, let’s talk about actual health killers. The answer is God has asked you live differently then the world and if you do you will be blessed. It’s similar to the Law of Moses, circumcision and what not. Now you can argue that it’s silly for God or a church to have prohibitions on things for obedience sake and that’s fine but that’s the real reason. Because coffee is ‘bad for you’ is plain wrong and members who still use this excuse yo explain the Word of Wisdom are looking at this stuff the wrong way.
I grew up being told it’s because caffeine is addictive. And then they clarified that other caffeinated drinks are okay, and then suddenly my Sunday school teachers were trying to gaslight us into thinking they never said caffeine was the issue
Its crazy how people assume organizations are 100% synced. Your Sunday school teacher was probably taught that you can't drink hot drinks, so she went with that. The ones who taught you were probably given the addiction reasoning, etc.
that is the reason, though most other members that I know drink some variation of caffeine. My parents, who are more religious than I, drink coffee because they believe that it's healthier than drinking monsters (something they've been addicted to my whole 20 years of living). I don't drink tea or coffee, mostly cause I can't stand the taste, and I do my best to stay away from soda or energy drinks when I can. not because of my religion, but because I want to live a healthier life without needing to be reliant on something that I frankly don't need just to get through my day.
Hey I’d like to formally apologize to you. I don’t know how old this video was but I came across your content during COVID and it was one of the first drops in the bucket to make me decide to leave the church. Now that I’m out, I’m pondering making content because I feel like there aren’t a lot of vocal Gen Z Ex-Mormons out there. I left hate comments on your channel because I wasn’t ready to accept the truth but five years later and I’m free.
I remember hearing that a -lot- as a kid. "God wants to test to see if we are obedient." I fell for it for years. Of course I was also raised Republican ... goes hand in hand, really. Thank goodness I grew a ounce of common sense in school.
Went on an exchange year as a high school Junior in the US and stayed with 2 mormon host families there (first one about 2 months, second one for the rest of the academic year). First family had a new mormon mom (she converted after marriage) and she was kinda strict about the coffee (I’m not an avid coffee drinker so I didn’t mind) but her being British originally, she seemed to mourn the loss of black tea a little bit. The moment I arrived at my second host family (literally the first day there) my new host sister took me to Dutch Bro’s because she couldn’t “live without the taste of coffee” XD both families were pretty cool about their religion (generally), but the 3 hour Sunday church every week was just…. We did go to a different church once because some of my host family’s relatives lived there and… hou boy I finally understood the cult thing everyone was talking about 😅
I could never do 3-hours of church I can barely do the hour service for catholics when I was goring up Then again it was probably the untamed adhd in a 8 year old that didn't help
@@jep9092 Out of the 3 hours, only the first one was the actual sermon, the other 2 were Sunday school (separated into 1 hour coed with similar aged kids, and one hour girls/guys only from all ages) I still had problems attending all of it every single week (especially with me not even being Christian in the first place) but definitely better than 3 hour sermons(???? That how I coped with it lol)
Ok one thing, ik this is going to be an extremely unpopular opinion, but… don’t like all religions do this? I’m Jewish, and we have this thing called “kosher laws”, which are very complicated, but to oversimplify, we’re not allowed to eat most foods. If you ask any rabbi why this is the immediate answer is that “god commanded us”, which is totally true, we have a full chapter in the Torah dedicated to it. But why is that a bad thing? Not eating certain foods is (at least from my perspective) a totally normal thing, that basically all religions do.
Behavior control.... oh no! Mommy, someone said I couldn't do a thing, but my hedonistic pleasure seeking 'morals' said I have to be allowed every vice and should choose to deny myself of nothing! Dude, no one cares you grew up not drinking coffee. Also, if you're going to try to lead people away from the church, at least use proper terms. You know it's called the Word of Wisdom, and it prescribes far more than don't drink hot drinks. Healthy eating in moderation, no tobacco products, no alcohol, herbs used by knowledgeable people for medicinal use.
I heard from someone in the church it was because the church couldn't make money from coffee plantations in Central America. TBH this explanation makes the most sense to me.
I am LDS (Mormon) and I was told because they were used as medicinal back in the day and could become highly addictive. I questioned about soda and the caffeine there and was told that ultimately, you have agency and make our own decisions but the church has always been supportive for what I do not understand and the questions I have. Sometimes, a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
What?! You mean a religion based off of people fasting for six days than only eating oranges, that made them hallucinate talking to angel's that told them to dig up golden tablets (that are "lost" so no one else can interpret this word of God) and find out that Christ came to the America's to teach the natives about how cool he was in another part of the world?! Geez that sounded very probable until you told they were a cult. I've lived in Salt Lake my entire life, the funniest thing to do is ask missionaries for pocket BOM's (book of Mormon) and use the paper to roll spliff's.
I'm not Mormon, but I live with my friend and her mom, who are Mormon. They believe a different view point, that it isn't the caffeine in coffee or tea that's the issue, but other compounds, like the tannins, which you can also find in, as an example, wine. Tannins are the same things originally used to tan animal hides into leather. Kinda spooky to think of drinking those! I do imagine that it would take a lot to do damage in one's stomach though. I have heard of certain stomach/intestinal medical procedures being unable to be performed if coffee or tea have been drank within the last 3 or so months, something about how it reduces the body's ability to heal?? I wish I could remember more details. 😔
It makes me laugh that I was told (convert from UK) that we couldn't have tea or coffee because of the caffiene but knew a few people that would constantly have a can of coke!!
Did you know that Pepsi also has caffeine and in the 60's could eat the lining right out of your stomach. The morman church bought a huge share of the pepsi company and encouraged church members to drink pepsi instead of coke. A guy who worked for my dad was a staunch morman and they only drank pepsi, he had multiple ulcers from the pepsi.
That one was interesting for sure. As an ex Mormon myself there was a few things that really never seemed to line up to me. My mom thankfully was like. If you wanna drink coffee or tea it's fine just don't overdo it. Found I didn't actually like coffee but felt it was a lot better than the its a sin approach my church went with.
How does it go? 'You can't reason someone *out* of an idea they didn't reason themselves *into* ' Maybe not a perfect match, but there's a reason it sprang to mind
I can’t stand ex-religious people who are full of spite towards their old religion and have to make it everyone’s problem, but i also can’t stand mormons. This made me very conflicted.
Personally being LDS, I have been told we don't drink it because it can be addictive. This has also led to me believing that we also don't drink it because it can mess with the natural rhythm of our bodies (generally sleep patterns and increased anxiety). However im sure i know a few people in our church that drink it and even more that have caffine for other reasons. As long as you drink it in moderation, you're fine. Side note, it can burn your tongue on a regular basis 🔥
i agree!! i’m lds, and i’ve heard that it’s it’s mostly due the risk of dependency. but hey, if people (members or not) want to drink it, that ain’t my business! enjoy your coffee, i’m just not going to.
I don't get the "it can burn your tongue on a regular basis." Normal brew coffee isn't hot enough to burn your skin or tongue... However, when microwaved, it can burn skin and tongue. Hot chocolate and herbal tea can do the same thing... Gas station hot chocolate and latte things are notorious for burning people(those machines are the devil, so tempting and so much pain), but not the regular coffee.
@@tiffles699 ive never actually had coffee so thanks for the insight. All i know is that when it comes to any hot drinks (especially hot chocolate), i usually end up burning my tougue so i thought that if you have coffee everyday (or really any hot drink) you might burn your tongue more consistently.
I’ll just say one thing usually when you look in the scriptures and don’t understand a concept it’s because you don’t actually understand it also coffee has decent sized risk factors in how much caffeine it has and how much that affects your blood pressure Soda has a third of the amount of caffeine and sugar is just a carbohydrate it has some risk but so does literally everything else overall coffee is bad for your heart especially when you get addicted because it is addictive then you drink it all the time instead of just using sleep
A Mormon friend of mine was drinking a can of Monster so I asked the question about caffeine... he said, "It's the tannins in coffee and tea, not the caffeine!". 😂 I was raised Mormon, no one ever talked about tannins 20 years ago. The LDS Church owning stocks in Coke may have something to do with this change... 🤔 because something tells me they can eat red grapes.
I had a Mormon friend that told me it would stain their insides so they weren’t allowed to have it. And I gave her a very funny look and proceeded to go order my coffee.
I have several very liberal non-Mormon friends. Quite a few don't drink coffee anymore simply because they feel better in general. I am Mormon and also don't drink it, even though I know it tastes and smells fabulous. Nobody can force people. But after awhile, many people feel in their bodies that they should quit drinking coffee. Hence things like "MUD WTR" is created. Yes, coffee has tannin in it, but I'm sure one cup doesn't kill. But for many, why even open the door? Anyway, I teach my own kids about the crash just an hour or so later, the yellowing teeth, the bad breath, the dehydration (I'm a runner, there's a difference), the caffeine headaches later on, etc... I figure it makes more sense than "the church said so" like this guy is rudely claiming.
There isn’t a reason given for the rule. Anyone who says that it is the caffeine or any other reason is just speculating to justify it in their own mind. It is difficult to follow a rule you don’t have a good reason for.
One of my favorite things is "mormon tea". A weird looking plant that makes a lovely stimulant drink. Oh, the latin name is ephedra btw. Like pseudoephedrine, but without the pseudo.
So the actual reason was, mormons started spending money on coffee instead of giving it to church and considering the entire thing was started by a con man who could have foreseen that the money was the important bit.
"Hot drinks" but no ice tea or ice coffee either. Hot chocolate is fine somehow. Sometimes they say it's the caffeine, yet no one drinks Mt dew and rockstars as more than they do
About mormons. As I was checking out the new city I just moved to. I noticed a buildsite of a building with an unusual design for The Netherlands. So I curiously asked about it and was told it was going to be a building for Mormons. I never knew they were that big in The Netherlands but it appears there is a community of about 500. Colour me surprised. Also how do people survive without coffee?
@@jisi8462 It makes sense for people who are sensitive to caffeine or older or whatever... but my ADHD-addled brain can handle an entire pot at 8pm and be just fine, so I can't exactly empathize with them 😅
I was raised Mormon and they mostly treated coffee or tea as a personal choice but still a breech of the word of wisdom. I was also told it was based on temperature too.
the real truth is that the word of Wisdom is based on popular health fads of the era. "hot drinks" was literal. but in true Mormonism fashion, they changed the meaning of it and gaslit the members to say this was always the meaning
I remember joining the church in my early twenties. And I offered a church member some coffee cake that I made and she declined. I said to her “it does not have an ounce of coffee in it!” And she still refused to take it. I made the same cake for a church potluck and just called it blueberry crumble cake. She commented on how good it was. I told her it was the same cake I had offered her months before but I just changed the name. Lol. She looked at me like “damn!”
We offered a coffee cake at the mod pizza I worked at in Utah and usually our seasonal cakes sell like wildfire but not this one! People always looked at it like they wanted it so bad and then I’d hear them say, “Oh it’s coffee 😢”
I always thought that putting “ex-Mormon” in video titles was an insincere way of grabbing at credibility. I don’t know his story, but lots of people do it but they left the church when they were very young but pretend to have deep knowledge. Like a child that quit school in middle school but calls himself an ex-scholar because they experienced a portion of a scholastic lifestyle.
I left the church in my early 20s and then after life kicked me in the face( and a lot of years later) I made my way back. In that time, I did all the things we weren’t supposed to. At first these experiences made me feel ostracized, but in fact they helped me to better understand the converts and investigators looking into the church. However, people need to understand… it is not a commandment to not drink coffee or tea. It is not a sin, if you do so.. we have been advised not to partake because of the addictive effects of them. Which is true. I’m absolutely hooked on the iced mocha’s from Costco! Delicious 🤤… but god is not drawing the line to heaven at front door of Starbucks… while it is true (scripturally) that the lord gave commandments to people to see if they would obey, (you can start with Adam and Eve and the fruit) no where has god commanded “thou shalt not partake of teas and hot drinks, lest ye be caffeinated, and energized”… We need to juxtapose the teachings of god, and his wishes and teachings, with the fallacies of man, and the teachings that have been mixed in to our culture…
Bingo. I have met and worked with many people who have said some form of "I can't function without my morning coffee". The purpose is to live your life in such a way that you can feel guided by God in your life. Hard to do if you need a drink to calm the jitters.
It's literally just as simple as "it can lead to someone becoming dependent on it so much that they are worse if they do not have it". There simple answer, trying to keep everyone in a form that they don't become irritable or mean unless they get their morning brew, but no can't think that deep into it.
I’m a member who works night shifts regularly. I did find it ridiculous that I was ok to consume large quantities of energy drinks, but it wasn’t ok to drink coffee. But pondering on this made think that what I was doing was doing wasn’t keeping “the word of wisdom”. Verse 2 says not by way of commandment or constraint. At first this section was just a suggestion. And a lot of the early members kind of just shrugged it off. Over time I found the caffeine I was consuming was affecting my energy levels, weight and just before I stopped I noticed that I was having heart palpitations and felt jittery all the time. So I knew it was time for me to change. It’s been 3 months of no soda or caffeine of any kind. Now I definitely have more energy and I’ve almost lost 20 pounds. I think this section is just trying to tell us to be smart and careful what we put into our bodies.
Im from the midwest. I dated a woman whos family is mormon. So many times i was confused and had questions. That led to more questions. Makes me so grateful for my mother, who let me choose my own faith.
Does anyone here realize that Mormon is actually a slang term and is not the name of the church. also the leaders say not to use when referring to the Church of latter Day Saints.
I grew up going to Sunday school in Utah. When I started asking questions like “what about the dinosaurs?” And “is there _any_ evidence of any of this?” I was told “not to ask those kinds of questions”
Abinadi, Joseph Smith Jr., Jesus the Christ... 1. All killed for what they taught 2. All fought strongly against priestcraft (preaching the Word "for gain") and 3. Ultimately it was their teaching of the Godhead, our relationship with and to God that got them all killed This is the doctrine that makes the "Christian" world the most upset... it isn't plural marriage, consecration, etc. no... It has been and always will be priestcraft (that "gain") and the Godhead and our relationship to it... Period... And when we teach fellow members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints those two things, 1. Priestcraft is preaching for "gain" and 2. The Godhead and our relationship to it and the membership's reaction is exactly the same as the "Christian" world... well then it is clear that we are no longer the Lord's favored peculiar people- we are as the Jews of old who would slay their own Messiah. We aren't prepared to live the higher holier laws and rejoice as we receive our King- we would scourge Him and crucify Him, laugh and mock Him. Time is truly running out to learn the doctrine and gain testimonies of it. And if hearing that causes you to get upset or to "fear", so you flee from it and bury it- someday soon you will be calling upon the rocks to bury you so you can flee from him. 2 Nephi 28:8 And **there shall also be many** [Latter-day Saints] which [now] say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God-**he will justify in committing a little sin**; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; **there is no harm in this**; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and** if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.** Alma 35:3 And it [will come] to pass that after **the more popular part of the [Latter-day Saints]*** [after having] consulted together concerning the words which had been preached unto them, **they [will be] angry because of the word, for it [will] destroy their craft; therefore they [will not] not hearken unto the words. *And then we have Alma's words to his son Corianton who's sinful behavior directly affected the ability for the Zoramites to hear the word. Do we not see this behavior today from the popular priest crafters of our day justifying a little sin.*
Someone probably mentioned it already but it’s very similar in Jehovah’s Witnesses with blood transfusions. The scriptural reasoning is there (flimsy as all hell, but there) but witnesses would always defect to some external cultural reason why it was Good Actually before eventually just saying “it’s gods rule dont question it”. Just recently my sister was talking about how the only reason bloodless medicine isn’t the automatic standard is because doctors are too lazy and indoctrinated to “do their own research” and find out how much “healthier” it is. When I was waking up and my parents asked me if I would rather die or take blood, I said I would take blood to save my life if I had to and my mom started sobbing and saying “do you *WANT* to get *AIDS* ???” She didn’t mention the scripture once. It’s just so ingrained into them that their way is justified and obviously true and not dogmatic that to say otherwise makes them short-circuit.
I grew up in the Church and am still active. I wanted to clarify that when I would ask this question, I would be told that the Lord wants us to be free of addictions. I would argue that the Lord doesn’t want us to be addicted to any substance, whether that be coffee, soda, video games, etc. In addition, members are still free to break this commandment, and still hold a calling, participate in Church activities, and even take the sacrament. They will be restricted from going to the temple. There is more history to this principle, and I’d recommend doing more research if you’re interested. God bless.
I've been told it's because coffee is not good for you BUT they can drink coke, rebels from Dutch Bros and other caffeinated drinks (which obviously are not healthy) and that's A-Okay because IT'S NOT COFFEE 🤷🏻♀️
Coffee might shorten my life but it also helps to prevent me from shortening other people's lives.
Couldn’t have said it better ☕️
🙌🏻 caffeine has a lot of great brain benefits, but the trick is to wait about 90 minutes 2 hours before having your coffee in the morning. 🤦🏻♀️ It doesn’t shorten your life, most studies show it will actually extend your life and help you stay healthier for longer
Shortening yours? For an extension of others? Sounds like a great sacrifice in the name of respecting all of God's life. What a good man you are.
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Ikr! 🤣
When I went to a Mormon church when I was a kid and the adults said it was because caffeine is not healthy. I'm like ok.... "then why do you drink a 2 L of Dr. Pepper everyday?"
I thought the rule was against caffeine in general? Sorry for the dumb statement/question... but fr???
@@junkmalme Coffee and caffeinated teas are specifically named in our law of health called the Word of Wisdom. But it also says, “anything harmful that people purposefully take into their bodies is not in harmony with the Word of Wisdom”and goes on to recommend things we should try to eat to maintain our good health, such as vegetables, fruits, and grains. Caffeine is harmful because it can be an addictive substance to many. We try to avoid being beholden to addictions so that we can exercise our free agency untethered to substances. This also means that we should try to avoid excess in other areas of our lives, such as avoiding too much sugar and yes, chocolate, which also contains caffeine. It doesn’t mean we can’t have chocolate or caffeinated drinks from time to time. We just need to be careful for the sake of our health.
@@HollowSoul22 thank you for taking the time to explain the nuance here.
What is up with Mormons and Dr. Pepper? Every one I know is dead addicted to the stuff
Exactly 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Omg
This rule used to confuse me so much. I had a friend in middle school who asked for a sip of my drink after my mom brought me lunch. Taking a sip she immediately spat it out (it was sweet tea) and said “sorry I can’t have tea because it has caffeine” and then the kicker “I thought it was Coke” (which contains caffeine). Apparently in their Mormon family instead of having coffee or tea to wake up they would drink coke or Pepsi or Dr Pepper and I’m just like ??? That’s still caffeine
Coke is also terrible but it doesn't have as much caffeine as a cup of coffee. Some people are more strict about this than others as well. The point is to avoid caffeine addiction.
@@viviancardenas5032 sweet tea has less caffeine than Coke... So why would she spit out sweet tea for the little caffeine and be okay with coke with more caffeine??
So this is actually a common misconception. It’s not about the caffeine. It never was it was just made to be like that. It’s more about the addictive aspect of coffee which is usually attributed to the caffeine (coffee has significantly more caffeine than sodas which is why it’s more recognized as addictive and that’s why we see it as bad; however any addiction to soda or caffeine pills or whatever is not encouraged at all either) I hope this helps a little bit!
So this is actually a common misconception. It’s not about the caffeine. It never was it was just made to be like that. It’s more about the addictive aspect of coffee which is usually attributed to the caffeine (coffee has significantly more caffeine than sodas which is why it’s more recognized as addictive and that’s why we see it as bad; however any addiction to soda or caffeine pills or whatever is not encouraged at all either) I hope this helps a little bit!
The tannins(a yellowish or brownish bitter-tasting organic substance present in some galls, barks, and other plant tissues, consisting of derivatives of gallic acid, used in leather production and ink manufacture) in tea are also not healthy for your body. Again some people are stricter about drinking tea as well. It just really depends. I personally don't drink it because it tastes like straight up dirt. Not my vibe.
As another ex Mormon I was told that it was the caffeine which is addictive
But hot chocolate contains caffeine as well. And that's not banned. God doesn't seem to know his creation all that well.
@@charlesmendeley9823no God does know , some criminal liar that made up an offshoot of Christianity doesn’t know … lol
It is there is a condition listed with people behavior that don't get there coffee anger is one of them foggy menal focus. Withdrawal lost of energy these things can make the spirit withdraw from you when you need him the most.
@@ezekiellister3176 so how about Cola?
Coke have caffeine and it not sinful in Mormonism 💀
I remember being in SLC and seeing ppl get 64oz of Mountain Dew at 7am because coffee is bad for you.
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Not sure if that's worse for adults or the teenage boys I used to see do that.
I knew a guy in Idaho who's mormon grandparents allowed him to drink monster. I was like WTF.
@@Ocker3 yeah “, it’s pretty crazy that the most caffeinated and sugary drink is ok, but coffee is not. It’s just like adderall being ok because it comes from a a Dr. SLC is full of adderall addicts. They find ways to justify certain things.
See your lying, its against the religion to drink coffee, not because it's unhealthy but because God said no.
@@nativeoutdoors1780 what am I lying about? God said no to coffee but Moutan dew was ok? What bible verse was that? “Thou shallith not drinkith coffee but sweet Mountain Dew nectar comes from the true god, Joseph smith”
Sounds like my mother “you can’t cut your hair until you move out” “what why?” “Because I want to see if you’ll listen”
My mother controlled me in a lot of ways, but one thing she could never do was stop me from cutting my hair whenever I wanted to. All you need is some alone time and some scissors, secateurs, a knife, a lighter (don't actually use a knife or a lighter please), whatever it takes to show mom who's the *real* boss of your own body.
Yeah lmao I remember at 17, my mum who I wasn't even living with at the time, cried and told me her heart was broken when I cut my hair short. Like ok dude it's not even your hair, the guilt tripping isn't gonna work.
@@mspaint93Reminds me of the time I came out as Bi and my father said “that goes against my faith” full well knowing I left his faith a while ago. Like… and??? 👀
Honestly, reminds me of my dad mentioning that he misses my long hair multiple times as though that would get me to think about my hair and grow it out again
Have you check to see if she has a cult following?
"hot drinks" and then there's soup
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The way I see it: soup is not a drink, but rather a meal.
There's a story that says soup is actually the reason they changed it from hot drinks to coffee and tea, don't know if it's true but my uncle likes to say it is
@@Charismagalina That's because we just decided to randomly categorize it differently. It isn't actually different
You don't eat your cereal with warm milk?
I grew up LDS and the reasoning I heard was that caffeine is a drug and can cause addiction. Addiction = bad. But when I mentioned that chocolate, fat and sugar can be addicting too I just got told "it's not the same" without further elaboration. Also coffee in reasonable amounts is fine for the general population. But everyone should decide for themselves if it's right for them. I LOVE coffee but coffee doesn't love me. It makes me sick and stressed. I'm probably a slow caffeine metabolizer.
Anyway, what I hated about the caffeine dogma was how many LDS members treat caffeine the same as cigarettes, alcohol, and even hard drugs like heroin. I witnessed one member talk about how their friend quit hard drugs by replacing it with things like caffeine, and instead of praising their friend for getting clean they criticized them for "trading one addiction for another." I was thinking, "are you effing kidding me?"
THIS! The point I think is addiction. What they failed to explain is that ANYTHING GOOD CAN BECOME DETRIMENTAL AS AN ADDICTION! CHOCOLATE CAN BE AN ADDICTION! CHOCOLATE CAN BE BAD FOR YOU! However, your health choices are up to you and the Lord. If the Lord says you are getting too sucked into this said thing then it's time to take a break. Caffeine just happens to be very addictive, so it's more general. Just like technically drugs are good, unless you are addicted to them.
Well, I think the friend should seek a therapist to help him with the addictive behavio because he can relapse into hard drugs. However there is not comparison between the damage of hard drugs to the body and the minor damage of coffee in large amounts. Coffee can be even beneficial to your heath in reasonable doses.
@@tiarezavaleta8850 Absolutely. I don't know the full story about the friend. They might have gone to therapy but those details were left out. But replacement behavior does significantly improve the ability to quit an addiction. And yeah, caffeine can have certain health benefits for certain people. Caffeine metabolization speed plays a role here and it's determined by genes. I'm in the camp of people who're better off without it, but many people are fine with it.
I hope their friend went and found legitimate friends elsewhere. Bc that is a bullshit friendship, completely lacking support.
Caffeine is a psychoactive drug similar to nicotine. I'm not Mormon, but when I was getting my degree in Psychological Anthropology, I learned that caffeine is in fact addictive complete with withdrawals, etc. I quit coffee, went to tea, and I am far less tired everyday. For what is worth.
My family lived in Utah in the early 2000s (we’re Catholic) and the no coffee thing baffled my mom to no end (she drinks 1-2 cups of black coffee a day). When she asked about it most people gave her the logic of “oh, we’re not supposed to drink caffeine.” However, she would notice that they’d drink sodas like Pepsi and ask why the sodas, and their answer was “oh, caffeine doesn’t work if the drink is cold.”
So my mother, with it being the early 2000s so search engines weren’t the best and her being the petty queen she is, called Dr Zorba’s show on NPR AND GOT SELECTED TO GO ON THE AIR to ask if this was true (it of course wasn’t). Don’t know how many people actually listened to that broadcast, but she made sure the nation knew she was calling out the Mormon BS when she saw it.
I think your mom is addicted to coffee which is the reason we don’t like it not the crap this guy is talking about
@@cooperrichards2434I don’t think you know what addiction means.
“Sometimes God gives us commands just to make sure we follow them”
That actually reminds me of the “No Brown M&M Rule” from Van Halen.
They had a LOT of safety checks that needed to be adhered to by a venue to perform, so they put in a bullshit rule halfway down their needs list of “No Brown M&Ms in the dressing room”.
If they found Brown M&Ms, they knew the venue didn’t read the checklist properly and made sure to call them out on it.
Yeah, because it's really insidious how Brown M&Ms just randomly pop up and dressing rooms and stuff.
But in this situation this is just about controlling your behaviours not making sure you know safety is alright
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It's about adherence to the rules.
But this isn't about making sure a venue can withstand the behemoth of a show that was Van Halen.
It's more about projecting a specific translation of a Bible verse onto the populace.
Brown M&Ms were used for safety of a fallible and mortal rock band.
If God sees you when you're sleeping, and knows when you're awake, and knows if you've been bad or good, He doesn't need secret checks. He already knows.
I worked with a Mormon software developer that annihilated Mountain Dew Kickstarts all day. I asked him about it and he said that the Book of Mormon only referred to coffee and tea. As a observant Jewish person, it's made me want to find the Hebrew word for "pepperoni." 😂
Yeah, that kind of sounds like he was just making an excuse as a loophole to get his caffeine fix. I did the same when I got hooked on Boba tea drinks thinking, "well, they're so diluted with milk and cream there can't be that much caffeine in there. Like how chocolate contains a little caffeine, but it's okay to eat that. And it's served cold, not hot!" But those were just excuses I made to myself.
Yep, people will cut corners and justify where they can. I guess they have to want to actually take care of their bodies. I'm Mormon. I drink "Amino". A caffeienated powder mix. I limit myself to at most 4 scoops a day (2 cups of coffee worth total). I use it as intended, and because deployment left me eternally fatigued it seems. It take it early in the day to not jack up circadian rhythm, and make room for what the body really needs. Water.
The LDS church is my religion yes, but choice is still a thing we fully support. Which means people still have to consider their own health and use their brains. Some people just want to justify poor choices for their bodies. As if the Book of Mormon can cover every possible future drink...
I went to BYU, a Mormon school and kids would pop Adderall like candy. Well it's not alcohol or coffee....
@@TheArtymuse The caffeine isnt the issue. We've been asked not to consume coffee beans or byproducts made from coffee beans or anything made from the Camellia sinensis plant (like green tea, black tea, yellow tea, etc. ) and we choose to follow it.
@@TheArtymuse I've actually heard more than one Mormon say this. Coke, mountain dew, monster. It's a technicality, but it's the rule
Perhaps they also want you to be sluggish when you go to church so you’re more likely to comply with their rules. (Behavior control on top of behavior control.)
Any religion that would force me to give up coffee is a religion I don’t want to go near. I don’t smoke, I rarely drink…coffee is literally my only vice. Let me at least have my coffee! 😂
Except they eat chocolate, drink caffeinated diet sodas, and they drink hot chocolate which obviously all have caffeine. So on top of the behavior control, the majority of Mormons don't actually believe in the thing they are defending unless it is specifically tea or coffee. According to a report from Hershey, Utah consumes more chocolate per Capita than any other state, and I remember, growing up, that everyone in the church wore that as a badge of pride.
Good on them for enjoying their chocolate, but obviously they shouldn't judge people for drinking coffee.
@@benevolentworldexploder5395 i didn't know that... my great grandfather's whole family including mother, father, and his 8 siblings never had any of those things. I think my uncle Bob the last brother alive only started drinking caffeinated stuff cuz he was old and said "I'm too old to care anymore". my great grandfather led Mormonism when he left home... he said it's cuz he wanted to drink non decaf coffee 😂 he was funny
Its just insane nonsense. Like all abrahamic religions they threaten people into submission by fear. Pleasures and joys are limited because when your dead you'll be punished.
You just need to give us money and we will make sure that doesn't happen. Because Jesus loves capitalism. Or something.
Anyway, the reason coffee is listed and other things aren't is because in gods infinite wisdom and knowledge of all things past, present, and future he didn't know caffeinated sodas and other various drinks would exist, nor did he know they would connect caffeine to chocolate.
Because you know, god sees and knows all except for what renders the text pointless in the future.
this is the mindset exactly.
actually the real reason was because the founder (Joseph smith) was trying to isolate his wife emma and getting rid of her tea time was one of the things he could do to do that
I had a Mormon friend growing up and they were anti-caffeine in the form of coffee or tea, but they were fine with caffeine in soda. It was so weird to me. I remember one of her other friends that was also Mormon got chastised for accepting tea at someone's house. I had accepted it because I had never had a reason not to. My friend declined. And the other friend accepted it. When we got back home, my friend was like "mama amber drank tea over there!" and so she was chastised. We were like 8 years old. 🙄
Haha pretty funny, yeah caffeine is not prohibited, but some members think that it is and act a little crazy like that.
that is vary wearied i'm not sure why they were so crazy about that. most people aren't like that and don't judge you if you were to drink coffee or tea but then again there is always people like that.
I dated an ex Mormon girl briefly (as all my relationships have been because I suck) she told me that Mormons overlook soda because the church of latter day saints owns stock in PepsiCo. I don't know if she was bullshiting but her parents, brothers, grandpa and Aunt were always drinking Pepsi when I saw them.
@@The_Jimplication no are church doesn't own stock in soda companies. in what we call the word of wisdom it says not to drink caffeinated drinks enclouding all sodas. this doesn't mean that no one drinks caffeine a lot of people do in fact but that doesn't mean we dis on them for drinking that, it is their choice to drink whatever they want.
@@miriamjoyblove yeah I always figured that.
Are you gonna add some coffee to that milk?
your LTT GPU shirt and solid home latte setup is the cherry on top here
Not to mention, the way they bought Pepsi stock in the 90's and then came out and were like "Caffine is okay if it's cold and it's Pepsi" and now there's free Pepsi fountains at Lagoon theme park in Orem UT. 🙃
I knew they were evil!
It should be free diet coke instead. Except I think I'm the only one that chooses that.
Utah is the only place that has more soda drive thrus than coffee stands lol
lagoon is not in Orem and nothing is free there.
You totally made up that Lagoon serves free Pepsi...that’s like saying Disneyland gives out free mouse ears. Nothing is ever free at a theme park!🎢🙄
Coke is the stock they own and Lagoon is in Farmington (which is on the completely opposite side of the Salt Lake City valley versus Orem) and nothing would ever be free there. TF all these people doing liking that DA comment?
I keep several copies of the little blue book and the oldest is rather thick and little to no editing out, each newer copy after that gets progressively slimmer as they edit out stuff sometimes for the sake of avoiding that good old plural marriage issue or whatever, it's weirdly entertaining to wait for the newest version and see what might be missing or edited.
I still say they should have doubled down on polygamy and allow women to marry other people too, so Mormonism just becomes this giant love web
@@Nerobyrne nope they would keep being toxic af we don't need that in polyamory
@@Nerobyrne Pretty effective example of how their goal was control instead of compersion, though...
@@Nerobyrne didn't they change it because it was illegal and they were about to get in trouble? It would've been the greatest religious freedom case of all time if they'd doubled down tho lol
If you are talking about the Book of Mormon, It's probably just formatting and thinner paper. There is nothing taken out for hundreds of years. I'm sure if you read them side by side you will see they are the same (That's if you're talking about the book of Mormon). As for the Polygamy thing please Don't confuse the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints with other organizations like the reorganized (RLDS) or other break away sects that ate not affiliated.
Your coffee game is on point now holy fuck.
My friend grew up mormon and would always get excited about having tea at my house. I was so confused about that until she explained it to me. So strange lol
So, as a member of the church, I can still drink tea, and really whatever I want. Usually tho you drink/eat what your parents drink/eat which I would say is pretty common in all religions. I can see how people who weren’t born into the church or anything could view it as strange. I view it as second nature but like you do you. Your opinion is your own so long as you’re respectful of others, and like also my dads family are all member and they drink tea. I don’t because my mom doesn’t. So I promise it’s not a thing of being a member or not. I have had tea before, just not a lot
Chelsea Karren oh I get it. There were members of her church that I do believe had tea and coffee. I tried my best to he respectful but I was thrown into a lot of things with no context so I guess it was almost a culture shock lol. I don't care if someone drinks tea or coffee. And if I come off negative it is only because I had some pretty bad experiences with the mormon church again as a kid with no context in the religion lol.
@@StayingInTheShadows2 yeah I get that. It doesn’t seem judgey or anything. There are some people (I don’t want to say a lot or a few bc it’ll come off wrong) that have had bad experiences with the church. The way I see it, nobody is perfect. But the church doesn’t preach anything like murder or judge one another. In fact the prophet said quite the opposite that we can’t judge because we don’t know. If I seem judgey Im tired and don’t function well that way. I do recommend looking into the church as an adult or whatever age you are, and try to get some new perspective because in my experience bad people are everywhere. Bad experiences are everywhere. But there’s also a lot of good everywhere. If you look in on it now with fresh eyes, you may rewrite your bad experience and you may have a different opinion. I ofc can’t tell you what to do and it’s your choice but that is what I recommend
My Girl Scout leader is Mormon and she didn’t drink coffee but had an entire hot coca bar at her house. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Chocolate has caffeine. I would think that would be against the rules also.
"Coffee is bad for you"
*Consumes 5 pounds of sugar
I have a Mormon friend in Salt Lake City who confirmed this is true. They aren't allowed to have coffee (hot or iced) but hot chocolate is okay. 🤷🏻♀️
Okay so some members of the church still drink things that we aren’t classically supposed to drink in the church. I’m a member of the church. I don’t drink those things, but that’s a personal choice
@@chelseakarren2515 I think the question is more around the basis of the rule. If the church says "no hot drinks," why is hot chocolate allowed, but not hot coffee or tea? What about hot soup or broth? If the rule is "no caffeine," why is Pepsi okay, but not iced coffee?
I once read a headline that 2 cups of coffee a day can extend your life. to which I have concluded based on my consumption habits I must be immortal. so I have done no more and refuse to look further into this settled issue.
You must live..not in Australia... In Australia it increases dementia and shortens your life... Same dose
@williamshaw5462. Immortal? 😂😂😂 Now that’s a lot of coffee.
Bullet coffee ☕️
I can't believe I have to defend the church but here I go, when you decide to join the church you make a promise to follow all it's rules even the most stupid ones.
You're not being forced to be a member of the church but if you're you should follow all it's guidelines.
It's like being member of a gym you're expected to follow the gym's rules whether they make sense to you or not.
I’m a member and a Sunday school teacher. I always clarify to my classes that the word of wisdom is not about health. It’s about obedience and separating yourself from the world and that by obeying you will receive health benefits. Members often try to come up with health reasons why it prohibits certain things. But they shouldn’t. Giving worldly answers to explain spiritual laws just leads to stuff like this video. The answer is not ‘cause coffee and alcohol is bad for you’. There a lot of things that are bad for you like sugar that are not mentioned. If it was about health, let’s talk about actual health killers. The answer is God has asked you live differently then the world and if you do you will be blessed. It’s similar to the Law of Moses, circumcision and what not.
Now you can argue that it’s silly for God or a church to have prohibitions on things for obedience sake and that’s fine but that’s the real reason. Because coffee is ‘bad for you’ is plain wrong and members who still use this excuse yo explain the Word of Wisdom are looking at this stuff the wrong way.
@@jshadowreaper_118 glad it benefitted someone haha. You never know in the comments section.
I grew up being told it’s because caffeine is addictive. And then they clarified that other caffeinated drinks are okay, and then suddenly my Sunday school teachers were trying to gaslight us into thinking they never said caffeine was the issue
Its crazy how people assume organizations are 100% synced. Your Sunday school teacher was probably taught that you can't drink hot drinks, so she went with that. The ones who taught you were probably given the addiction reasoning, etc.
My church was across the board against caffeine. They were chill and didn't really care if you did drink soda, tea or coffee.
Same.
Oh. I thought it was because caffeine is a drug. I guess I gave them too much credit lmao
That's what I was told too.
that is the reason, though most other members that I know drink some variation of caffeine. My parents, who are more religious than I, drink coffee because they believe that it's healthier than drinking monsters (something they've been addicted to my whole 20 years of living). I don't drink tea or coffee, mostly cause I can't stand the taste, and I do my best to stay away from soda or energy drinks when I can. not because of my religion, but because I want to live a healthier life without needing to be reliant on something that I frankly don't need just to get through my day.
Hey I’d like to formally apologize to you. I don’t know how old this video was but I came across your content during COVID and it was one of the first drops in the bucket to make me decide to leave the church. Now that I’m out, I’m pondering making content because I feel like there aren’t a lot of vocal Gen Z Ex-Mormons out there. I left hate comments on your channel because I wasn’t ready to accept the truth but five years later and I’m free.
I remember hearing that a -lot- as a kid. "God wants to test to see if we are obedient."
I fell for it for years. Of course I was also raised Republican ... goes hand in hand, really. Thank goodness I grew a ounce of common sense in school.
So cold brew is okay then?
I didn't know until now that I need more "just out of the shower" Jimmy in my life.
Went on an exchange year as a high school Junior in the US and stayed with 2 mormon host families there (first one about 2 months, second one for the rest of the academic year). First family had a new mormon mom (she converted after marriage) and she was kinda strict about the coffee (I’m not an avid coffee drinker so I didn’t mind) but her being British originally, she seemed to mourn the loss of black tea a little bit. The moment I arrived at my second host family (literally the first day there) my new host sister took me to Dutch Bro’s because she couldn’t “live without the taste of coffee” XD both families were pretty cool about their religion (generally), but the 3 hour Sunday church every week was just…. We did go to a different church once because some of my host family’s relatives lived there and… hou boy I finally understood the cult thing everyone was talking about 😅
I could never do 3-hours of church
I can barely do the hour service for catholics when I was goring up
Then again it was probably the untamed adhd in a 8 year old that didn't help
@@jep9092 Out of the 3 hours, only the first one was the actual sermon, the other 2 were Sunday school (separated into 1 hour coed with similar aged kids, and one hour girls/guys only from all ages) I still had problems attending all of it every single week (especially with me not even being Christian in the first place) but definitely better than 3 hour sermons(???? That how I coped with it lol)
Dutch bros is goated
church has been 2 hours for quite a few years now, though I typically only stay for the 1st hour XD
Ok one thing, ik this is going to be an extremely unpopular opinion, but… don’t like all religions do this? I’m Jewish, and we have this thing called “kosher laws”, which are very complicated, but to oversimplify, we’re not allowed to eat most foods. If you ask any rabbi why this is the immediate answer is that “god commanded us”, which is totally true, we have a full chapter in the Torah dedicated to it. But why is that a bad thing? Not eating certain foods is (at least from my perspective) a totally normal thing, that basically all religions do.
Behavior control.... oh no! Mommy, someone said I couldn't do a thing, but my hedonistic pleasure seeking 'morals' said I have to be allowed every vice and should choose to deny myself of nothing!
Dude, no one cares you grew up not drinking coffee.
Also, if you're going to try to lead people away from the church, at least use proper terms. You know it's called the Word of Wisdom, and it prescribes far more than don't drink hot drinks. Healthy eating in moderation, no tobacco products, no alcohol, herbs used by knowledgeable people for medicinal use.
Are you allowed to just "soak" in the coffee instead?
😂🤣😂
I heard from someone in the church it was because the church couldn't make money from coffee plantations in Central America. TBH this explanation makes the most sense to me.
I am LDS (Mormon) and I was told because they were used as medicinal back in the day and could become highly addictive. I questioned about soda and the caffeine there and was told that ultimately, you have agency and make our own decisions but the church has always been supportive for what I do not understand and the questions I have. Sometimes, a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Ice coffee?
What?! You mean a religion based off of people fasting for six days than only eating oranges, that made them hallucinate talking to angel's that told them to dig up golden tablets (that are "lost" so no one else can interpret this word of God) and find out that Christ came to the America's to teach the natives about how cool he was in another part of the world?! Geez that sounded very probable until you told they were a cult. I've lived in Salt Lake my entire life, the funniest thing to do is ask missionaries for pocket BOM's (book of Mormon) and use the paper to roll spliff's.
I'm not Mormon, but I live with my friend and her mom, who are Mormon. They believe a different view point, that it isn't the caffeine in coffee or tea that's the issue, but other compounds, like the tannins, which you can also find in, as an example, wine. Tannins are the same things originally used to tan animal hides into leather. Kinda spooky to think of drinking those! I do imagine that it would take a lot to do damage in one's stomach though.
I have heard of certain stomach/intestinal medical procedures being unable to be performed if coffee or tea have been drank within the last 3 or so months, something about how it reduces the body's ability to heal?? I wish I could remember more details. 😔
It makes me laugh that I was told (convert from UK) that we couldn't have tea or coffee because of the caffiene but knew a few people that would constantly have a can of coke!!
Did you know that Pepsi also has caffeine and in the 60's could eat the lining right out of your stomach. The morman church bought a huge share of the pepsi company and encouraged church members to drink pepsi instead of coke. A guy who worked for my dad was a staunch morman and they only drank pepsi, he had multiple ulcers from the pepsi.
That one was interesting for sure. As an ex Mormon myself there was a few things that really never seemed to line up to me. My mom thankfully was like. If you wanna drink coffee or tea it's fine just don't overdo it. Found I didn't actually like coffee but felt it was a lot better than the its a sin approach my church went with.
How does it go? 'You can't reason someone *out* of an idea they didn't reason themselves *into* '
Maybe not a perfect match, but there's a reason it sprang to mind
This command doesn’t make sense because it wasn’t given by God. It was given by man. The Book of Mormon is man-made, not God-breathed.
I can’t stand ex-religious people who are full of spite towards their old religion and have to make it everyone’s problem, but i also can’t stand mormons. This made me very conflicted.
Personally being LDS, I have been told we don't drink it because it can be addictive. This has also led to me believing that we also don't drink it because it can mess with the natural rhythm of our bodies (generally sleep patterns and increased anxiety). However im sure i know a few people in our church that drink it and even more that have caffine for other reasons. As long as you drink it in moderation, you're fine. Side note, it can burn your tongue on a regular basis 🔥
i agree!! i’m lds, and i’ve heard that it’s it’s mostly due the risk of dependency. but hey, if people (members or not) want to drink it, that ain’t my business! enjoy your coffee, i’m just not going to.
And then there is those of us that strong coffee (with lots of caffeine) puts to sleep.
I don't get the "it can burn your tongue on a regular basis." Normal brew coffee isn't hot enough to burn your skin or tongue... However, when microwaved, it can burn skin and tongue. Hot chocolate and herbal tea can do the same thing... Gas station hot chocolate and latte things are notorious for burning people(those machines are the devil, so tempting and so much pain), but not the regular coffee.
@@tiffles699 ive never actually had coffee so thanks for the insight. All i know is that when it comes to any hot drinks (especially hot chocolate), i usually end up burning my tougue so i thought that if you have coffee everyday (or really any hot drink) you might burn your tongue more consistently.
@@TiffyCassie you might have ADHD..... Caffine is calming to people with ADHD.
I was always told it was the caffeine, because it's an addictive drug. Mom never let us have caffeinated sodas either.
Same for me too.
Dang I think I need coffee now!
My dad was told by the church it was wrong to seek treatment for his mental health problems. He never would and eventually died from them.
I’ll just say one thing usually when you look in the scriptures and don’t understand a concept it’s because you don’t actually understand it also coffee has decent sized risk factors in how much caffeine it has and how much that affects your blood pressure Soda has a third of the amount of caffeine and sugar is just a carbohydrate it has some risk but so does literally everything else overall coffee is bad for your heart especially when you get addicted because it is addictive then you drink it all the time instead of just using sleep
A Mormon friend of mine was drinking a can of Monster so I asked the question about caffeine... he said, "It's the tannins in coffee and tea, not the caffeine!". 😂 I was raised Mormon, no one ever talked about tannins 20 years ago. The LDS Church owning stocks in Coke may have something to do with this change... 🤔 because something tells me they can eat red grapes.
When i was studying w mission guys they said I needed to give it up and tannins was the explanation...lol
What is that milk frother machine?!?? I need it!
It’s a Nespresso frother
I had a Mormon friend that told me it would stain their insides so they weren’t allowed to have it. And I gave her a very funny look and proceeded to go order my coffee.
It's called tannins. It stains and turns your insides leathery. Why do you think coffee drinkers have stained teeth?
I have several very liberal non-Mormon friends. Quite a few don't drink coffee anymore simply because they feel better in general. I am Mormon and also don't drink it, even though I know it tastes and smells fabulous. Nobody can force people. But after awhile, many people feel in their bodies that they should quit drinking coffee. Hence things like "MUD WTR" is created. Yes, coffee has tannin in it, but I'm sure one cup doesn't kill. But for many, why even open the door?
Anyway, I teach my own kids about the crash just an hour or so later, the yellowing teeth, the bad breath, the dehydration (I'm a runner, there's a difference), the caffeine headaches later on, etc... I figure it makes more sense than "the church said so" like this guy is rudely claiming.
bruh talking about coffee increasing his 🧬 fe span if you drink little he definitely keeping that quota with his glass of brown milk
There isn’t a reason given for the rule. Anyone who says that it is the caffeine or any other reason is just speculating to justify it in their own mind. It is difficult to follow a rule you don’t have a good reason for.
"It's for xy reason" "But that's not true" "Okay fine, it's that" "So why did you lie to me?"
One of my favorite things is "mormon tea". A weird looking plant that makes a lovely stimulant drink. Oh, the latin name is ephedra btw. Like pseudoephedrine, but without the pseudo.
My great aunt would make me Mormon tea when I was 8 or so. It was hot water, cream and sugar... I felt so grown up
my grandma lived to 94 and grank coffee every day of her life. switched to decaf in her 60s, but still drank it all day every day.
My mother-in-law lives with us and she is 89. She drinks about five cups a day. I honestly think she is going to outlive me.
Anecdotes don't make statistics
@@jana731 put enough of them together they do
decaf is fine. though cuz it's the caffeine they said not to have
My grandma lived to 95 and same.
So the actual reason was, mormons started spending money on coffee instead of giving it to church and considering the entire thing was started by a con man who could have foreseen that the money was the important bit.
"Hot drinks" but no ice tea or ice coffee either. Hot chocolate is fine somehow.
Sometimes they say it's the caffeine, yet no one drinks Mt dew and rockstars as more than they do
"let my dry off" and "let me grab a shirt"
😂😂😂 I was not ready for that.
ltt shirt
This man still needs to put pants on
Now I want a latte machine.
About mormons. As I was checking out the new city I just moved to. I noticed a buildsite of a building with an unusual design for The Netherlands. So I curiously asked about it and was told it was going to be a building for Mormons. I never knew they were that big in The Netherlands but it appears there is a community of about 500. Colour me surprised. Also how do people survive without coffee?
It’s the addictive property of coffee that Mormons avoid. They don’t need coffee to function cause if you never drink it, you can’t be addicted.
@@Tntah see a doctor.
@@Tntah Awfully weird that they don't allow an exception for decaf, then...
@@khill8645 I will never understand decaf. If I’m getting a coke or coffee or tea, I want ALL the benefits. Bring on the caffeine!
@@jisi8462 It makes sense for people who are sensitive to caffeine or older or whatever... but my ADHD-addled brain can handle an entire pot at 8pm and be just fine, so I can't exactly empathize with them 😅
former catholic raised by Laotian stepmother. in eastern culture hot drinks are said to be healthy and cold is shocking to your body
The most likely reason for the rule is that coffee and tea were associated with progressive thought and free thinkers.
Jimmy's Shower thoughts
I was raised Mormon and they mostly treated coffee or tea as a personal choice but still a breech of the word of wisdom. I was also told it was based on temperature too.
I always thought it was because caffeine was a drug, and was so confused when my morman friends chugged energy drinks and sodas 😂
I just wanna know he said he needed to dry off and get a shirt when he could’ve just started dry and wearing a shirt
the real truth is that the word of Wisdom is based on popular health fads of the era.
"hot drinks" was literal.
but in true Mormonism fashion, they changed the meaning of it and gaslit the members to say this was always the meaning
I've never seen your channel but def luv to learn about your coffee set up! That frother made it look yummy!
Post coffee drink clarity
And the fact that you have a Nespresso just warms my heart all the more
I remember joining the church in my early twenties. And I offered a church member some coffee cake that I made and she declined. I said to her “it does not have an ounce of coffee in it!” And she still refused to take it. I made the same cake for a church potluck and just called it blueberry crumble cake. She commented on how good it was. I told her it was the same cake I had offered her months before but I just changed the name. Lol. She looked at me like “damn!”
We offered a coffee cake at the mod pizza I worked at in Utah and usually our seasonal cakes sell like wildfire but not this one! People always looked at it like they wanted it so bad and then I’d hear them say, “Oh it’s coffee 😢”
😂😅🎉
😂
Caffeine is a little bit addicting. Less than say porn, but addiction is addiction.
I always thought that putting “ex-Mormon” in video titles was an insincere way of grabbing at credibility. I don’t know his story, but lots of people do it but they left the church when they were very young but pretend to have deep knowledge. Like a child that quit school in middle school but calls himself an ex-scholar because they experienced a portion of a scholastic lifestyle.
He obviously understands everything about mormonism even though he quit as an edgy 14 year old
I left the church in my early 20s and then after life kicked me in the face( and a lot of years later) I made my way back. In that time, I did all the things we weren’t supposed to. At first these experiences made me feel ostracized, but in fact they helped me to better understand the converts and investigators looking into the church.
However, people need to understand… it is not a commandment to not drink coffee or tea. It is not a sin, if you do so.. we have been advised not to partake because of the addictive effects of them. Which is true. I’m absolutely hooked on the iced mocha’s from Costco! Delicious 🤤… but god is not drawing the line to heaven at front door of Starbucks… while it is true (scripturally) that the lord gave commandments to people to see if they would obey, (you can start with Adam and Eve and the fruit) no where has god commanded “thou shalt not partake of teas and hot drinks, lest ye be caffeinated, and energized”…
We need to juxtapose the teachings of god, and his wishes and teachings, with the fallacies of man, and the teachings that have been mixed in to our culture…
Coffee is the reason that others in my life are still alive.
I always Interpreted it growing up as they don’t want you to become dependent on a substance
This is the actual reason of the “coffee rule”.
Bingo. I have met and worked with many people who have said some form of "I can't function without my morning coffee". The purpose is to live your life in such a way that you can feel guided by God in your life. Hard to do if you need a drink to calm the jitters.
They want you to be dependant on them...
I'm a mormon, and I never heard anyone say that coffee shortens your life. I've always heard that it's because it's a literal drug....
They cite the tannic acids as bad for you, essentially
A book “written” by an illiterate farmboy? Seems reasonable to me
It's literally just as simple as "it can lead to someone becoming dependent on it so much that they are worse if they do not have it". There simple answer, trying to keep everyone in a form that they don't become irritable or mean unless they get their morning brew, but no can't think that deep into it.
Meaning as an explanation, not saying that it is the explanation to it.
Why is there a piece of equipment doing what a spoon can do?
I’m a member who works night shifts regularly. I did find it ridiculous that I was ok to consume large quantities of energy drinks, but it wasn’t ok to drink coffee. But pondering on this made think that what I was doing was doing wasn’t keeping “the word of wisdom”. Verse 2 says not by way of commandment or constraint. At first this section was just a suggestion. And a lot of the early members kind of just shrugged it off.
Over time I found the caffeine I was consuming was affecting my energy levels, weight and just before I stopped I noticed that I was having heart palpitations and felt jittery all the time. So I knew it was time for me to change. It’s been 3 months of no soda or caffeine of any kind. Now I definitely have more energy and I’ve almost lost 20 pounds. I think this section is just trying to tell us to be smart and careful what we put into our bodies.
Hey uh... . maybe question the cult you're in as much as you questioned coffee? Caffeine doesn't have calories, I don't know why you got fat off of it
Everyones interpretation is different and I think that is okay
Mans gonna lose his mind when he learns about islam 💀
Im from the midwest. I dated a woman whos family is mormon. So many times i was confused and had questions. That led to more questions. Makes me so grateful for my mother, who let me choose my own faith.
I was seven when I rejected all faith. That was over fifty years ago.
The line that was used was virtue signaling. This is an example of narcissistic behaviour.
Me, drinks 5 Red Bulls: *lightweights!*
Sooo is iced coffee a nice loophole or nah?
It amazes me every time someone actually escapes the LDS..
I'm happy I made it out👌
coffee is a drug. you're an addict.
Does anyone here realize that Mormon is actually a slang term and is not the name of the church. also the leaders say not to use when referring to the Church of latter Day Saints.
funny how they ran mormon dot org and paid millions to run "meet the mormons" ads
@@jimmysnow oh and the meet the Mormon ads haven’t been used in 5+ years.
@@jimmysnow That site will take you to the correct one.
I grew up going to Sunday school in Utah.
When I started asking questions like “what about the dinosaurs?” And “is there _any_ evidence of any of this?” I was told “not to ask those kinds of questions”
Ex-Mormom here it's definitely a cult.
Boy are you cool.
My aim is to shorten my life
Because it’s a drug gang 🤘
From one cult to another lmao
Abinadi, Joseph Smith Jr., Jesus the Christ...
1. All killed for what they taught
2. All fought strongly against priestcraft (preaching the Word "for gain")
and
3. Ultimately it was their teaching of the Godhead, our relationship with and to God that got them all killed
This is the doctrine that makes the "Christian" world the most upset... it isn't plural marriage, consecration, etc. no... It has been and always will be priestcraft (that "gain") and the Godhead and our relationship to it... Period...
And when we teach fellow members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints those two things,
1. Priestcraft is preaching for "gain"
and
2. The Godhead and our relationship to it
and the membership's reaction is exactly the same as the "Christian" world... well then it is clear that we are no longer the Lord's favored peculiar people- we are as the Jews of old who would slay their own Messiah. We aren't prepared to live the higher holier laws and rejoice as we receive our King- we would scourge Him and crucify Him, laugh and mock Him.
Time is truly running out to learn the doctrine and gain testimonies of it. And if hearing that causes you to get upset or to "fear", so you flee from it and bury it- someday soon you will be calling upon the rocks to bury you so you can flee from him.
2 Nephi 28:8
And **there shall also be many** [Latter-day Saints] which [now] say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God-**he will justify in committing a little sin**; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; **there is no harm in this**; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and** if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.**
Alma 35:3
And it [will come] to pass that after **the more popular part of the [Latter-day Saints]*** [after having] consulted together concerning the words which had been preached unto them, **they [will be] angry because of the word, for it [will] destroy their craft; therefore they [will not] not hearken unto the words.
*And then we have Alma's words to his son Corianton who's sinful behavior directly affected the ability for the Zoramites to hear the word. Do we not see this behavior today from the popular priest crafters of our day justifying a little sin.*
I'm currently stuck in this hell of a church. Any tips on how to leave?
Clearly you arent actually part of the church becayse its easy as fuck to leave, you literally just walk away and go somewhere else.
@@WhoKnowsMang I'm a minor. My parents wont let me leave, they're control freaks like the rest of the church
@@Fish00000 L+dont care
Someone probably mentioned it already but it’s very similar in Jehovah’s Witnesses with blood transfusions. The scriptural reasoning is there (flimsy as all hell, but there) but witnesses would always defect to some external cultural reason why it was Good Actually before eventually just saying “it’s gods rule dont question it”.
Just recently my sister was talking about how the only reason bloodless medicine isn’t the automatic standard is because doctors are too lazy and indoctrinated to “do their own research” and find out how much “healthier” it is. When I was waking up and my parents asked me if I would rather die or take blood, I said I would take blood to save my life if I had to and my mom started sobbing and saying “do you *WANT* to get *AIDS* ???” She didn’t mention the scripture once. It’s just so ingrained into them that their way is justified and obviously true and not dogmatic that to say otherwise makes them short-circuit.
I grew up in the Church and am still active. I wanted to clarify that when I would ask this question, I would be told that the Lord wants us to be free of addictions. I would argue that the Lord doesn’t want us to be addicted to any substance, whether that be coffee, soda, video games, etc.
In addition, members are still free to break this commandment, and still hold a calling, participate in Church activities, and even take the sacrament. They will be restricted from going to the temple.
There is more history to this principle, and I’d recommend doing more research if you’re interested.
God bless.
I've been told it's because coffee is not good for you BUT they can drink coke, rebels from Dutch Bros and other caffeinated drinks (which obviously are not healthy) and that's A-Okay because IT'S NOT COFFEE 🤷🏻♀️