Baloney. Firstly, if that was their intention, they could have fitted the tank. But more importantly, there are other places to put the tank, which is why you can buy them for every other truck with under mounted spare
@@xpusostomos Even if it wasn't that is still a great place for a tank. Watch the Australian overland guys and they will surely put either a fuel or water tank there.
I'd bet a couple of beers that if the spare tire was mounted underneath you'd complain that it's difficult to access when you most likely need it...off road in the dirt and mud.
You may have to wait because it will probably take the dealership 2-3 years to just sell one at that price and then your additional 2-3 years that you need
First of all you've got to consider the markups, and the exclusivity of this will make the cost much higher than it already is. You also have to consider the fact that internal combustion engine vehicles are all going to become considerably more expensive as they become collectors items. If you can't afford one now, you're prob never going to. Right now is a good time to invest money in cars and long-term storage for your grandkids benefit. I'm sure you'll think I'm crazy like everyone else does, but in 40 years or so, someone's going to pay a million dollars for a hot hatch.
The big issue on at least UK right hand drive versions is where to put your left foot. There's a raised narrow platform due to drive line so foot always at uncomfortable angle.
I think you are missing the point of the spare tire situation. They did NOT want to have to climb under the vehicle to get a tire. And since there is an optional 2nd placement for 1, it gives it that back country territory vibe. In the USA, shy of Texas, that might not really be a thing to need to have 2 spare tires on a trip. However, think outback territory. Where you are more than days away from your nearest repair shop. Anyhow, it is a very cool looking/multi functional/purpose built machine that would be appreciated by a lot of ... mall crawlers. 🤣
If you are so back country you need 2 tyres, you probably needed all that space for other kit. You'd want one tyre underneath and another on an external carrier. For regular people, either of those options is better than this disaster.
700kg is way lower payload than all of its rivals in Europe which have a 1000kg+ payload. These include all but the Raptor/Adventura version of Ford Ranger/VW Amarok. The low payload actually excludes it from businesses reclaiming the VAT/purchase tax of 20% which makes it totally uncompetitive as a work truck in the UK. Once the initial flurry of enthusiasts have their vehicles this is not likely to make a significant dent in the pickup truck sector. I ordered a Grenadier ‘certified commercial’ with those panel sides but it turned out that it is not a commercial for tax purposes due to its low payload. This means that the Ranger Wildtrak that I’ve bought instead, including a few extras, is nearly £30,000 less expensive for very little less utility and better driving ergonomics and handling, better fuel economy and safety provisions.
@@erroneous6947suburban adventurers will easily exceed these numbers. Heck, 4 big men will weigh 500kg, add a bullbar, water tank, long range fuel and you're done
Ah, that makes sense. I also noticed that it had a support strut, meaning that it likely would not close on you if parked while tilted. That was a complaint they made in the video. I do think that few will be towing with these int eh US, so this isn't much of a concern here. These are going to be mall crawlers, sadly. With some exceptions.
@@mikeraphone6745 Yes true I was in the Army and the Diesel heater can be stifle'in, but it's still a welcome feeling when trying to get out of bed in the morning in general the wood heat is the best.
Welcome to being an ICE enthusiast in the future, when EVs take over the world but not completely ban ICE. I genuinely think ICE will be reserved for the rich in the future.
@@faheemabbas3965 Kind of absurd to think that only elitists will purchase ICE vehicles since they're the only group buying EVs at the moment. Anyone needing a purposeful vehicle would never consider an EV.
That design is really cool! Very airplane If that makes it to production hopefully the attention to detail stays and those panels don't turn into molded plastic junk.
Love the look and concept. I feel like this is a nostalgic vehicle however and not a competition for gladiator, Jeep or a bronco. No aftermarket, less clearance, less articulation, bmw drivetrain is good or bad depending on how you look at it. For 70k starting price is priced well above a similar outfitted gladiator and way less capable. This is going to be another G-Wagon. People buy it for the looks but don’t use it as intended. A few may buy it for the Safari/overlanding lifestyle but never will be a true off-roader. Due to no aftermarket you’ll have to opt for their winch also which is a 4K option! That’s crazy money and you still have to purchase it if you opt for the off-road trim which starts at 80k
@@weetbix2083 gotcha. Can I hear your feedback on why the Jeep, 4Runner and Bronco with a greater aftermarket, better features, better price and better capabilities out of the box arnt as good for overlanding? Not being corny, legit wanna hear feedback from the opposing argument.
The reference to BMW and Mercedes parts tell me that maintenance costs will be through the roof. When you start doing “truck stuff” fear 😬 cringing will kick in overdrive
Grenadier is super cool but equipped properly for offroading with no extras (like leather seating etc) it is $88K (and that is still with 31.5 in tires so add price of wheels and tires onto that). That is $20K more than what it should be to be even remotely competitive with its competition. Very cool veh, but they priced it all wrong. To much to compete with Jeeps and Broncos and such, too cheap to be seen as a status symbol of the wealthy like a G-Wagon. I can only imagine how much the truck is going to be, since they have been hinting for years now that it would be more than the wagon. Sorry but with Gladiators, Tacos, ZR2s, Ranger Raptors and Tremors, and Frontier Pro 4xs, good luck selling this at $90K plus in any numbers. Very cool veh, but I’ll bet they miss their mark on the price.
The Quartermaster is a great name and has the look of a Land Roover. Unfortunately, gladiators aren't selling well, so I think the market maybe saturated.
I think that’s because of economic reasons. I believe buyers want these type of vehicles but are hampered by hyperinflation / rising interest rates. 84 month low interest financing or leasing might be a way to get these into American driveways.
As the owner of a reasonably-modded mid-size truck I think the idea of the Quartermaster is awesome. As the owner of a truck that now has more use for an SUV than a truck I'd take the SUV over the truck. Still awesome to have both options coming that are built on the same platform.
Nice review btw TFL. Aftermarket rear bar with swing aways will eventually be available and that will sort the only issue you have with it. The ability to customize it was part of the design ethos from the beginning so watch out for aftermarket kit from ARB and others.
love the plastic floors wish US an Other Imports would offer it as a option on their pickups or SUV's interior floors. Had a 1992 F150 with rubber floors so much more easier to clean than smelly carpet.
The panel style is awesome especially if you solo travel or you and one other person. The barn doors as maybe 50/50 would be better, but the great part is you can create perpendicular storage on the 2nd doors then parallel storage coming out of the back doors.
go back through the comment sections - there's one clown who won't shut up about it. he's personally offended about the decision apparently. something about his wife and blah blah
The problem with putting the spare under the truck is that both the wheel and the mechanism that lowers it get rusted. You either lose the wheel because if falls off or your forced to get the grinder out to cut it off. In the end your spare ends up in the bed anyways.
Yes, while I thoroughly waxed my 2014 Ranger’s chassis from new, I forgot the steel spare wheel. When I needed it for a puncture five years later I was shocked at how crusty the wheel was. Since this is a work truck that is driven only locally, the spare, now repaired, lives in my shed.
Another reason for not putting it under the bed is one well known to Discovery3, Discovery 4 and L320 Range Rover Sport owners………….. you don’t easily notice when the spare has been stolen which was a very common problem until an owner developed a special anti theft plate to protect the spare wheel winch and the wheel. Hanging the spare on the tailgate door might be unsightly and impractical on the school run but at least you can see instantly when it has disappeared in the night!
It makes zero sense to use bmw engines. BMW has zero off road credibility. They should have teamed up with toyota who literally have off road credibility and reliability.
My buddy put a crotch rocket motorcycle engine in his Suzuki samurai and it's amazing off-road. Who makes it means nothing, online 6 is a great configuration
Would be nice to have the option, underneath it can get punctured to or maybe can't access spare tyre in emergency like being bogged down in sand or mud and need tyre out to go bury it and winch out using it. Having it on the back makes sense, and yes in city tyre underneath the tray. Nice piece of kit.
@@bindingcurve huh ? Can u read dude ? I said should i get stuck in sand etc I would take OFF the SPARE wheel bury in the sand up ahead of me an winch myself out to the spare wheel ....I don't know what you are on about.
SIMPLY AWESOME. That said, I will NEVER spend that much for a vehicle, so its out of my range. I think it will be $80k plus MSRP in the US, by the time you factor conversion rates, shipping and stateside dealers. Don't even get me started on markup. I would be interested at sub-$60k. I ultimately wish it was made somewhere else for cheaper, perhaps even using a cheaper engine that is common here. Don't get me wrong, the whole this seems 100% quality and the engine choice is absolutely great, just too expensive. This is going to be G-Wagon light, these aren't going to be commonly used for actual off roading here in the US, sadly. There are too many reasonably priced vehicles for that use.
It is twice the price of a Hi Lux Invincible, which is better on fuel payload , quality, support. Massive own goal by Ineos over engineering this vehicle, which makes these models not VAT qualifying. Private buyers will flock to it after that??? Also nobody mentions the none locker or locker vehicles do not have TC 🤔
A 5.5' or 6' bed would have been killer. Otherwise beautiful. The price doesn't even bother me, it's right in line with market expectations for the capability you're getting; actually costs about $20k less than I would have expected from a niche brand. Also, does it come with a fife and drum?
Who will want a Defender once this vehicle hits the market... I know the soccer moms buy anything but I referring to real offroad enthusiasts. Heck Im a Wrangler Rubicon diehard but I dont like the Gladiator, so this will also take market share from Jeep... So dumb of JLR not to make a Proper Defender... They are clueless on how to diversify their lineup... Land Rovers are all the same same same same now.... SMH!!!
A year's wait on the pre-order and starting at $71,000, yeah right... I don't see it selling very fast in the USA because our Jeep Grand Cherokee has a 3.5 liter which gets over 21 Mph on the highway and is substantially offered at a lower cost, but if you want to climb trees or go rock climbing with it, then you'll need a V8 Jeep Trackhawk I think that the Land Rover style of a functionality over comfort 4-wheeler is a thing of the past, and here this new auto is trying to emulate that style as if your buggy can take a beating and keep on ticking, but no big deal because it just another square box. Maybe they can be sold to safari businesses in Africa who can afford one or two. With its three-liter engine, I am not holding my breath that it will do the job it was designed for. Or, was it designed for mom and the kids or for dad going to the dump on the weekends where its wear and tear is minimal.
It is a pitifully small payload for a working vehicle. Isn’t it so low that it won’t actually qualify for VAT relief as a business? If it doesn’t qualify for relief then I can’t see it selling well as it will have a hefty tax penalty as such an expensive car in a high emissions bracket.
@@J00LZ49 You are correct. It does not qualify in the UK for VAT repayment or probably for full business tax relief. It is already dead in the water for the vast commercial vehicle sector, farmers, utility companies, engineers, traders, and so on that are VAT registered. A Ford Ranger Wildtrak is about £30,000 cheaper as a result and that, in isolation, is not a cheap pickup.
@@hedydd2 yeah that is what I thought, and there are very few private purchasers of pickups in the UK, almost everyone that has one has it a business purchase for the massive VAT advantages compared to a car. Like you said no one will be looking at this as a business and think it is worth £30-40k more than a ranger or Hilux.
Trial Master. TRIAL not trail. It comes from the early trial riding on motor bikes . Trial master is originally a Belstaff motor cycle jacket ,and still is . Belstaff is now owned by Ineos.
Excited for this one - this is the configuration I would buy. There are a couple issues in my mind with it (very heavy, center mounted dash, pricing) but good to see this coming state side. More options are always appreciated
The exterior looks elegant but if the powertrain(engine/transmission) is made by BMW then I question long term reliability. They should’ve put gauges in front of the steering wheel not going full Tesla having everything on the touchscreen. Also, pricing is ridiculous, by the time it’s launched the mark up will put it in the $89k-$103k range. Extra dealer charges will include pin stripe, Freon gas in tires, window tint and all weather floor mats. Haha!
Wow, affluent soccer moms are going to love that thing, especially those with spoilt brats, that internal cage will come in handy. My dream military style vehicle is a Landcruiser Troop Carrier, those bloody Aussies do some amazing Troopies.
Desert air intake is important, laughing from this isnt very inteligent. Spend few days in convoy on desert or dirt roads and compare amount of dust and sand in normal air cleaner and this used with higher air intage with cyclone filter on top.
I'm understanding this is paid promotion,but you need to be lot more critical than you perform, in reality truck is garbage same as gladiator, and w that price tag , hell no
Really cool truck! I personally think it looks better than a Gladiator. I have to agree with everyone on the pricetag and "BMW reliability" will hurt it's sales in the U.S.
@peterhaerberlin7479 I really appreciate your perspective, I am not as familiar with this engine. I assume it was selected for its great qualities. In Canada BMW does not have a reputation as being the most reliable and repairs are very expensive. That combination may lead to some not to select the Ineos.
@@peterhaeberlin7479 Based on modern BMW engine internals, it's almost like they are engineered to fail after the warranty period. BMWs depreciate worse than most other vehicles in the US because they're unreliable, parts are ridiculously overpriced and engineered to not be easily repaired.
@@xjinit That is interesting. In Switzerland BMWs are more expensive than in the US. But they have a market share of 8,1%. They have a top rank in respect of depreciation. They are better than Toyota, which I consider a very reliable brand. One reason may be that, east/south Europeans love them.
The spare wheel can be relocated to the optional roof rack on the pickup, which is the best place for it if wanting to use the full width of the load bed.
That's a terrible place for it. For one thing, many people have garages with limited clearance. For another thing, ask your wife to get a 40kg wheel off the roof, then put the other one back up there, and tell me how popular you are afterwards. For that matter you try getting a 40kg wheel up there.
@@xpusostomos More people don’t have garage or don’t have a height restriction. Ask your wife to jack up the truck, find the locking wheel nut key, the spare wheel jack key, wind the wheel down and slide it out from underneath a conventional pickup and remove tight lug nuts and swap wheels and stow the flat and you have some superwoman right there. Even lifting the flat up onto the loadbed deck requires a lot of muscle power. It’s all basically a two man job.
@@bindingcurve Really? I have a small fleet of vehicles and at one time, at the same time, owned a Land Cruiser 80, Isuzu Trooper LWB, Range Rover and a Land Rover 110 while my mother ran one of three Nissan Terrano I bought the same day. No garage. Do have sheds, but they are full of more valuable longer term industrial equipment, at least during Winter. Rural people who drive these things daily in all condition generally don’t park them in a garage. High crime areas, maybe more so.
love your channel and video of the Quartermaster guys. Having had a SUV Pick-Up with a spare wheel under the tub and then had to access it on a wet, muddy road with rear wheels buried in the mud. I can tell you I much prefer having a spare high and dry for easier access. Ultimately the spare wheel can be relocated to the roof rack if you get one.
nice.... I still like a 6.5' box and smaller cab want to put my bikes in the bed and close the tailgate dont like bed extenders or hanging my bikes over the tail gate
Observation: America loves its Detroit hackiron, meaning big 3 trucks. Those won't haul plywood ! If all you need is to haul a big mutt dog and mountain bike and have $90k go for it. Wait, the tire is in the way on both.
Carraro supplies front axles for all those mid size AGCO/MF farm tractors. They specialise in heavy duty steering axles but also make transmissions. Factories in Italy and China that I know of, possibly in other countries also.
@@LEON.1717 Magna-Steyr were contracted to do the design and engineering development. They actually manufacture various vehicles for Mercedes [G-Class], Jaguar [the electric car] and several others including the BMW Z4/Toyota Supra twins. At one time they assembled the M-Class and maybe even the Fiat Panda 4x4.
Untested? It's powertrain is BMW. Hardly untested. We also have no idea how the network will look. It could be shared with existing dealers. In the same way, Tesla works with GM dealers
They left us room for a long range fuel tank.
Baloney. Firstly, if that was their intention, they could have fitted the tank. But more importantly, there are other places to put the tank, which is why you can buy them for every other truck with under mounted spare
Yeah defo mate extra fuel and water underneath wheels up top ‘this is the way’
Where is the timing chain? If it is in the back of the engine, it blows!!
@@xpusostomos Even if it wasn't that is still a great place for a tank. Watch the Australian overland guys and they will surely put either a fuel or water tank there.
@@LarryNgetich
Brown Davis will make one soon I'm sure
I'd bet a couple of beers that if the spare tire was mounted underneath you'd complain that it's difficult to access when you most likely need it...off road in the dirt and mud.
good point!
Put it on the hood 😂
Or behind the drivers seat if you need the load area free.
For $45K I'd buy one; beyond that, I'll stick with Toyota.
Given where it’s from I’m guessing around $82k
Nice to see TFL and Alex on Autos working together.
All part of the master plan to take Andre to Truck King.
💯👍
Same. They’re my two fav car channels so it’s just awesome seeing them working together.
You can have that on UA-cam because shows aren't managed by competing media empires.
First vehicle I’ve been excited about in years. Still 10-20k over my budget but maybe a used one in two to three years.
You may have to wait because it will probably take the dealership 2-3 years to just sell one at that price and then your additional 2-3 years that you need
First of all you've got to consider the markups, and the exclusivity of this will make the cost much higher than it already is.
You also have to consider the fact that internal combustion engine vehicles are all going to become considerably more expensive as they become collectors items.
If you can't afford one now, you're prob never going to.
Right now is a good time to invest money in cars and long-term storage for your grandkids benefit.
I'm sure you'll think I'm crazy like everyone else does, but in 40 years or so, someone's going to pay a million dollars for a hot hatch.
They need a 2.0L base option, 276hp is nothing to sneeze at. Plus the cost savings.
@@RadDadisRadthe truck weighs in over 6,000 lbs, 276hp would have the same power to weight ratio as a Prius
@@Warex06 i guess you didn’t see that the current b58 is tuned slightly more at 282hp
Seeing Ineos compared to Jeep is something I'm looking forward to from this channel. The Quartermaster and the Gladiator feel like direct competitors.
It seems more like a safari truck than a rock crawler. Modern Land Rover.
@@jeffk464 the Gladiator Mojave in a desert runner that can rock crawl.
The big issue on at least UK right hand drive versions is where to put your left foot. There's a raised narrow platform due to drive line so foot always at uncomfortable angle.
Saw one displayed at a 4x4 Exhibition ijn Sydney Australia. Do not how many are going to react to this " antique" 4x4
Gladiator is Light Years infront
I think you are missing the point of the spare tire situation. They did NOT want to have to climb under the vehicle to get a tire. And since there is an optional 2nd placement for 1, it gives it that back country territory vibe. In the USA, shy of Texas, that might not really be a thing to need to have 2 spare tires on a trip. However, think outback territory. Where you are more than days away from your nearest repair shop. Anyhow, it is a very cool looking/multi functional/purpose built machine that would be appreciated by a lot of ... mall crawlers. 🤣
If you are so back country you need 2 tyres, you probably needed all that space for other kit. You'd want one tyre underneath and another on an external carrier. For regular people, either of those options is better than this disaster.
The spare in the bed makes sense when you are up to your knees in muck and need access to it.
That bmw shift knob looks so out of place.
So is the BMW engine.
700kg is way lower payload than all of its rivals in Europe which have a 1000kg+ payload. These include all but the Raptor/Adventura version of Ford Ranger/VW Amarok. The low payload actually excludes it from businesses reclaiming the VAT/purchase tax of 20% which makes it totally uncompetitive as a work truck in the UK. Once the initial flurry of enthusiasts have their vehicles this is not likely to make a significant dent in the pickup truck sector. I ordered a Grenadier ‘certified commercial’ with those panel sides but it turned out that it is not a commercial for tax purposes due to its low payload. This means that the Ranger Wildtrak that I’ve bought instead, including a few extras, is nearly £30,000 less expensive for very little less utility and better driving ergonomics and handling, better fuel economy and safety provisions.
That’s typical to market these things to suburban “adventurers” rather than people that actually use the truck for work.
@@erroneous6947suburban adventurers will easily exceed these numbers. Heck, 4 big men will weigh 500kg, add a bullbar, water tank, long range fuel and you're done
The split rear door is so you can open the rear with a trailer hitched up. On the old defender the rear door would hit the jockey wheel handle.
Ah, that makes sense. I also noticed that it had a support strut, meaning that it likely would not close on you if parked while tilted. That was a complaint they made in the video. I do think that few will be towing with these int eh US, so this isn't much of a concern here. These are going to be mall crawlers, sadly. With some exceptions.
interesting - you'd think these dudes might ask these questions before doing the review - so they aren't stumped by all the design considerations
My Wrangler has that issue.
And the tailgate has to be all the way open to open the rear glass.
I can't even let the dog in and out.
We are so excited to hear about a 100K farm truck. I'm sure Whistle'n Diesel will buy one for his farm.
that guy's an idiot. destroying cars for fun. so stupid and wasteful
I'll message him now . He could buy two just in case one goes up in flames or falls through a roof .
@@mikeraphone6745 Yes true I was in the Army and the Diesel heater can be stifle'in, but it's still a welcome feeling when trying to get out of bed in the morning in general the wood heat is the best.
Love the idea of the gren. Hate the price they want for it.
Price is too much for what it is.
Welcome to being an ICE enthusiast in the future, when EVs take over the world but not completely ban ICE.
I genuinely think ICE will be reserved for the rich in the future.
Way more money than what we all thought it was going to be originally. The "First Look" videos had this thing closer to $60k.
I think there will be plenty of wealthyish buyers who will buy it because they want something different. Its definitely got the cool factor.
@@faheemabbas3965 Kind of absurd to think that only elitists will purchase ICE vehicles since they're the only group buying EVs at the moment. Anyone needing a purposeful vehicle would never consider an EV.
The interior reminds me of a WW2 fighter plane! Love it!!!
That design is really cool! Very airplane
If that makes it to production hopefully the attention to detail stays and those panels don't turn into molded plastic junk.
Reminds me of a H53 helicopter. Even the overhead split windows with the control panel in between them. It does looks pure aviation, love it.
Hard pass on this rig... The reviews from Australia are far better...
I'd mount the spare on the roof if I needed the bed space often AND off roading a lot.
What if you needed the bed space, but it doesn't fit in your garage up there?
Love the look and concept. I feel like this is a nostalgic vehicle however and not a competition for gladiator, Jeep or a bronco. No aftermarket, less clearance, less articulation, bmw drivetrain is good or bad depending on how you look at it.
For 70k starting price is priced well above a similar outfitted gladiator and way less capable.
This is going to be another G-Wagon. People buy it for the looks but don’t use it as intended. A few may buy it for the Safari/overlanding lifestyle but never will be a true off-roader.
Due to no aftermarket you’ll have to opt for their winch also which is a 4K option! That’s crazy money and you still have to purchase it if you opt for the off-road trim which starts at 80k
The rest of us prefer overlanding and a Jeep is not suitable for such.
@@weetbix2083 gotcha. Can I hear your feedback on why the Jeep, 4Runner and Bronco with a greater aftermarket, better features, better price and better capabilities out of the box arnt as good for overlanding? Not being corny, legit wanna hear feedback from the opposing argument.
@@weetbix2083 how is a gladiator or rubicon not suitable for overlanding?
The reference to BMW and Mercedes parts tell me that maintenance costs will be through the roof. When you start doing “truck stuff” fear 😬 cringing will kick in overdrive
Grenadier is super cool but equipped properly for offroading with no extras (like leather seating etc) it is $88K (and that is still with 31.5 in tires so add price of wheels and tires onto that). That is $20K more than what it should be to be even remotely competitive with its competition. Very cool veh, but they priced it all wrong. To much to compete with Jeeps and Broncos and such, too cheap to be seen as a status symbol of the wealthy like a G-Wagon. I can only imagine how much the truck is going to be, since they have been hinting for years now that it would be more than the wagon. Sorry but with Gladiators, Tacos, ZR2s, Ranger Raptors and Tremors, and Frontier Pro 4xs, good luck selling this at $90K plus in any numbers. Very cool veh, but I’ll bet they miss their mark on the price.
And the new GX/Land cruiser coming
@@BsurfChillin exactly.
The Quartermaster is a great name and has the look of a Land Roover. Unfortunately, gladiators aren't selling well, so I think the market maybe saturated.
I think that’s because of economic reasons. I believe buyers want these type of vehicles but are hampered by hyperinflation / rising interest rates. 84 month low interest financing or leasing might be a way to get these into American driveways.
I hate having the speedometer in the screen instead of having it in front of you which is stupid
As the owner of a reasonably-modded mid-size truck I think the idea of the Quartermaster is awesome. As the owner of a truck that now has more use for an SUV than a truck I'd take the SUV over the truck. Still awesome to have both options coming that are built on the same platform.
I’ve owned from 1 ton to a Ranger and I bought an expedition and find that I don’t miss a truck since I have trailers.
Omg the switches and the roof panel! So analog, i love it!! Hate the dash screen on the centre of the dash, thats dumb
Is it really a hard thing to understand why a spare tire under the vehicle is a bad idea?
Nice review btw TFL. Aftermarket rear bar with swing aways will eventually be available and that will sort the only issue you have with it. The ability to customize it was part of the design ethos from the beginning so watch out for aftermarket kit from ARB and others.
love the plastic floors wish US an Other Imports would offer it as a option on their pickups or SUV's interior floors. Had a 1992 F150 with rubber floors so much more easier to clean than smelly carpet.
This guy is looking more and more like his dad.
The panel style is awesome especially if you solo travel or you and one other person. The barn doors as maybe 50/50 would be better, but the great part is you can create perpendicular storage on the 2nd doors then parallel storage coming out of the back doors.
I like the dual tyre mounts.
Nobody wants a tyre under body.
go back through the comment sections - there's one clown who won't shut up about it. he's personally offended about the decision apparently. something about his wife and blah blah
The problem with putting the spare under the truck is that both the wheel and the mechanism that lowers it get rusted. You either lose the wheel because if falls off or your forced to get the grinder out to cut it off. In the end your spare ends up in the bed anyways.
Yes, while I thoroughly waxed my 2014 Ranger’s chassis from new, I forgot the steel spare wheel. When I needed it for a puncture five years later I was shocked at how crusty the wheel was. Since this is a work truck that is driven only locally, the spare, now repaired, lives in my shed.
Another reason for not putting it under the bed is one well known to Discovery3, Discovery 4 and L320 Range Rover Sport owners………….. you don’t easily notice when the spare has been stolen which was a very common problem until an owner developed a special anti theft plate to protect the spare wheel winch and the wheel. Hanging the spare on the tailgate door might be unsightly and impractical on the school run but at least you can see instantly when it has disappeared in the night!
my truck is 35 years old spare tire holder carrier works like new tire /rim dont have any rust anywere
Cuts ground clearance too, and in SUVs still intrudes into the floor anyway.
@@ferp420 California? No problems on the 1988 truck one of my friends has in CA. No significant rust anywhere.
Looks like something out of National Lampoon’s Vacation … such a goody looking rig. It’s basically a Walmart Land Rover.
Love the spare on the back, it leaves lots of room for a spare feul or water tank at the bottom for an April Botswana trip.
Funny to see that they weren’t able to figure out why the back door is split like that.
You had me right up until B58 😢
After import duties and dealer mark ups it will be $150,000.
Are they aware the Jeep Gladiator exists and is on sale in North America?
Thats so awesome that you guys can travel and be invited to go to the prestigious Goodwood
It makes zero sense to use bmw engines. BMW has zero off road credibility.
They should have teamed up with toyota who literally have off road credibility and reliability.
My buddy put a crotch rocket motorcycle engine in his Suzuki samurai and it's amazing off-road. Who makes it means nothing, online 6 is a great configuration
Toyota still makes trucks like this why would they supply a competitor? Plus BMW is used to supplying engines to other manufacturers over the years.
The engine just needs to produce enough torque and power. I'm not sure what makes an engine "off-road."
Toyota is literally the only global competition for this vehicle with the 70 series Land Cruiser. Toyota doesn't sell engines to clients.
@@upscaleshack Lotus sports cars have Camry V6's supercharged.
Would be nice to have the option, underneath it can get punctured to or maybe can't access spare tyre in emergency like being bogged down in sand or mud and need tyre out to go bury it and winch out using it. Having it on the back makes sense, and yes in city tyre underneath the tray. Nice piece of kit.
It only makes sense in that case, in every other way it's batshit crazy. Which is why nobody does it.
If you are bogged down in sand or mud you do NOT want to pull off a wheel even if you have a flat.
@@bindingcurve huh ? Can u read dude ? I said should i get stuck in sand etc I would take OFF the SPARE wheel bury in the sand up ahead of me an winch myself out to the spare wheel ....I don't know what you are on about.
@@troothhertz6297 huh, can't use full words? You want to lose a big chunk of your bed for a sand anchor. 🙄
@@bindingcurve ?
Can't tell from the pictures it does not look like much ground clearance.
Sounds like they just put parts from different brands into one….
I've got a station wagon ordered but the quartermaster is the one that I really want.
The switch panels on the ceiling are cool. It needs more payload and towing capacity for the price though.
Did you catch the dual exhaust coming out just behind the rear tires.?
They probably used the same exhaust system from the shorter wheelbase SUV.
SIMPLY AWESOME. That said, I will NEVER spend that much for a vehicle, so its out of my range. I think it will be $80k plus MSRP in the US, by the time you factor conversion rates, shipping and stateside dealers. Don't even get me started on markup. I would be interested at sub-$60k. I ultimately wish it was made somewhere else for cheaper, perhaps even using a cheaper engine that is common here. Don't get me wrong, the whole this seems 100% quality and the engine choice is absolutely great, just too expensive. This is going to be G-Wagon light, these aren't going to be commonly used for actual off roading here in the US, sadly. There are too many reasonably priced vehicles for that use.
There’s also the ram 2500 and the ford f250 that have solid axles front and rear !
It is twice the price of a Hi Lux Invincible, which is better on fuel payload , quality, support. Massive own goal by Ineos over engineering this vehicle, which makes these models not VAT qualifying. Private buyers will flock to it after that???
Also nobody mentions the none locker or locker vehicles do not have TC 🤔
A 5.5' or 6' bed would have been killer. Otherwise beautiful. The price doesn't even bother me, it's right in line with market expectations for the capability you're getting; actually costs about $20k less than I would have expected from a niche brand.
Also, does it come with a fife and drum?
Who will want a Defender once this vehicle hits the market... I know the soccer moms buy anything but I referring to real offroad enthusiasts. Heck Im a Wrangler Rubicon diehard but I dont like the Gladiator, so this will also take market share from Jeep... So dumb of JLR not to make a Proper Defender... They are clueless on how to diversify their lineup... Land Rovers are all the same same same same now.... SMH!!!
It’s a “busy” design.
A year's wait on the pre-order and starting at $71,000, yeah right... I don't see it selling very fast in the USA because our Jeep Grand Cherokee has a 3.5 liter which gets over 21 Mph on the highway and is substantially offered at a lower cost, but if you want to climb trees or go rock climbing with it, then you'll need a V8 Jeep Trackhawk I think that the Land Rover style of a functionality over comfort 4-wheeler is a thing of the past, and here this new auto is trying to emulate that style as if your buggy can take a beating and keep on ticking, but no big deal because it just another square box. Maybe they can be sold to safari businesses in Africa who can afford one or two. With its three-liter engine, I am not holding my breath that it will do the job it was designed for. Or, was it designed for mom and the kids or for dad going to the dump on the weekends where its wear and tear is minimal.
Elite pricing! Yay! Totally unaffordable!
I think this thing is going to be a sleeper in North America. People want specialized vehicles that are “future proof”. Good stuff!
Will it be as reliable as Toyota? If so, I will buy one (quartermaster).
@@OGtruthserum as reliable as bmw's most popular engine.
Should have had a portal axle option from factory.
Only $85k!!!
Good content, TFL, pardon my frustration with modern manufacturers
The payload is a bit low for a work truck in the uk but other than that its pretty good
It is a pitifully small payload for a working vehicle. Isn’t it so low that it won’t actually qualify for VAT relief as a business? If it doesn’t qualify for relief then I can’t see it selling well as it will have a hefty tax penalty as such an expensive car in a high emissions bracket.
@@J00LZ49 I presume they did that so that they could sell it in the US without the chicken tax whatever that is
@@J00LZ49 You are correct. It does not qualify in the UK for VAT repayment or probably for full business tax relief. It is already dead in the water for the vast commercial vehicle sector, farmers, utility companies, engineers, traders, and so on that are VAT registered. A Ford Ranger Wildtrak is about £30,000 cheaper as a result and that, in isolation, is not a cheap pickup.
@@hedydd2 yeah that is what I thought, and there are very few private purchasers of pickups in the UK, almost everyone that has one has it a business purchase for the massive VAT advantages compared to a car. Like you said no one will be looking at this as a business and think it is worth £30-40k more than a ranger or Hilux.
Concerning the spare…if it’s a true off-road vehicle the spare in the bed is best!
Trial Master. TRIAL not trail. It comes from the early trial riding on motor bikes . Trial master is originally a Belstaff motor cycle jacket ,and still is . Belstaff is now owned by Ineos.
Excited for this one - this is the configuration I would buy. There are a couple issues in my mind with it (very heavy, center mounted dash, pricing) but good to see this coming state side. More options are always appreciated
👌 I absolutely love these vehicles so far.
The exterior looks elegant but if the powertrain(engine/transmission) is made by BMW then I question long term reliability. They should’ve put gauges in front of the steering wheel not going full Tesla having everything on the touchscreen. Also, pricing is ridiculous, by the time it’s launched the mark up will put it in the $89k-$103k range. Extra dealer charges will include pin stripe, Freon gas in tires, window tint and all weather floor mats. Haha!
You forgot the synthetic blinker fluid as a dealer additional option.
This specific BMW engine is unusually bulletproof and is a massive exception, so much so that Toyota uses a variant of it in certain vehicles.
@@jimmycricket5366this! The engine is used in the Toyota Supra. The transmission is ZF, not BMW. I'm not sure what OP is talking about.
Alex and Tommy sharing videos and clothes now.
The womens are next
Ok, this thing is just effing cool.
You had me until you said it has a BMW engine….. No thanks. I would have been very impressed if it had a Toyota engine in it.
If it came with a high grade turbodiesel the price would be fair. The very last engine a outdoor enthusiast would want is a BMW.
Wow, affluent soccer moms are going to love that thing, especially those with spoilt brats, that internal cage will come in handy. My dream military style vehicle is a Landcruiser Troop Carrier, those bloody Aussies do some amazing Troopies.
Desert air intake is important, laughing from this isnt very inteligent. Spend few days in convoy on desert or dirt roads and compare amount of dust and sand in normal air cleaner and this used with higher air intage with cyclone filter on top.
A lot of money, but maybe it follows the same depreciation schedule as the Land Rover to get one a few years old. Just saying.. lol..
Looks like Enios Grenadier likes to compete with the Toyota LC 70s series which has 3 versions, and/or with the Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator.
Both of their competitors puts the grenadier to shame especially at that price tag.
Since when is a $70K+ truck considered "cool"? I'll agree with the "insane" part.
I'm understanding this is paid promotion,but you need to be lot more critical than you perform, in reality truck is garbage same as gladiator, and w that price tag , hell no
That thing is awesome! the B58 and ZF8 speed will be amazing offroad.
Seems like a decent offroader, but I think I'd take a wrangler or gladiator instead. Nice there's some more competition though.
I have Wrangler. I think I want one of these... too!
Not really competition given the price difference
Really cool truck! I personally think it looks better than a Gladiator. I have to agree with everyone on the pricetag and "BMW reliability" will hurt it's sales in the U.S.
Yes, great engine but ....
As a European I don‘t understand the critisim in the US of BMW engines. In Europe the straight six BMW is considered the best engine ever built.
@peterhaerberlin7479 I really appreciate your perspective, I am not as familiar with this engine. I assume it was selected for its great qualities. In Canada BMW does not have a reputation as being the most reliable and repairs are very expensive. That combination may lead to some not to select the Ineos.
@@peterhaeberlin7479 Based on modern BMW engine internals, it's almost like they are engineered to fail after the warranty period. BMWs depreciate worse than most other vehicles in the US because they're unreliable, parts are ridiculously overpriced and engineered to not be easily repaired.
@@xjinit That is interesting. In Switzerland BMWs are more expensive than in the US. But they have a market share of 8,1%. They have a top rank in respect of depreciation. They are better than Toyota, which I consider a very reliable brand. One reason may be that, east/south Europeans love them.
Be interesting to see how the drivetrain last. BMW I’m no sure.
Looks like an overpriced version of an overpriced gladiator that was a bit lonely at closing time
I can hardly wait until TFL tests the Grenadier after they receive delivery of it!
You had my undivided attention until you got to the BMW engine. I'll pass!
Wish it had a longer bed. Most modern trucks have much too short of a bed.
a ripoff after land rover defender . at this price should have better quality
Yes body on frame!!!
A rear door that isn’t split would be heavy as hell
Looks good, but not for me at that huge price tag,,, will be well over $100,000 CAD!!!
The spare wheel can be relocated to the optional roof rack on the pickup, which is the best place for it if wanting to use the full width of the load bed.
That's a terrible place for it. For one thing, many people have garages with limited clearance. For another thing, ask your wife to get a 40kg wheel off the roof, then put the other one back up there, and tell me how popular you are afterwards. For that matter you try getting a 40kg wheel up there.
@@xpusostomos More people don’t have garage or don’t have a height restriction. Ask your wife to jack up the truck, find the locking wheel nut key, the spare wheel jack key, wind the wheel down and slide it out from underneath a conventional pickup and remove tight lug nuts and swap wheels and stow the flat and you have some superwoman right there. Even lifting the flat up onto the loadbed deck requires a lot of muscle power. It’s all basically a two man job.
@@xpusostomos wow, someone's a negative nancy. maybe people have other preferences or do things differently than you.
@@hedydd2 If you can afford that truck, you likely have a garage.
@@bindingcurve
Really? I have a small fleet of vehicles and at one time, at the same time, owned a Land Cruiser 80, Isuzu Trooper LWB, Range Rover and a Land Rover 110 while my mother ran one of three Nissan Terrano I bought the same day. No garage. Do have sheds, but they are full of more valuable longer term industrial equipment, at least during Winter. Rural people who drive these things daily in all condition generally don’t park them in a garage. High crime areas, maybe more so.
BMW powered crap, in 10 years it'll be a junker.
love your channel and video of the Quartermaster guys. Having had a SUV Pick-Up with a spare wheel under the tub and then had to access it on a wet, muddy road with rear wheels buried in the mud. I can tell you I much prefer having a spare high and dry for easier access. Ultimately the spare wheel can be relocated to the roof rack if you get one.
I think the idea of the spare tires not being under is to allow for fuel tank modification
I love the fact it looks like an older model like late 70s type vehicle.
nice.... I still like a 6.5' box and smaller cab want to put my bikes in the bed and close the tailgate dont like bed extenders or hanging my bikes over the tail gate
I look forward to be able to afford one of these in 7-10 years!
Observation:
America loves its Detroit hackiron, meaning big 3 trucks. Those won't haul plywood !
If all you need is to haul a big mutt dog and mountain bike and have $90k go for it. Wait, the tire is in the way on both.
Carraro supplies front axles for all those mid size AGCO/MF farm tractors. They specialise in heavy duty steering axles but also make transmissions. Factories in Italy and China that I know of, possibly in other countries also.
Weren’t Magna involved?
@@LEON.1717 Magna-Steyr were contracted to do the design and engineering development. They actually manufacture various vehicles for Mercedes [G-Class], Jaguar [the electric car] and several others including the BMW Z4/Toyota Supra twins. At one time they assembled the M-Class and maybe even the Fiat Panda 4x4.
I was going to order a new grenadier but I'm ordering the new Lexus GX instead. Starts at 10k cheaper and looks just as cool with more rear leg room.
the front end of the lexus gx is vomitous. it looks like an alien migraine
Small door is good for groceries and not having to deal with the damn tire carrier
A vehicle with Grenade in the name is not a good business move 🤣
I would love a sub version, seems like a more usable, potentially more reliable g wagon
Looks great but I wish they put the Isuzu 3lt diesel
Both the 4 door Ineos and Quartermaster are too big for our needs, a swb version would be very tempting.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHO WOULD BUY SUCH A VEHICLE? WHY BUY SOME THING THAT YOU KNOW ALMOST NO DEALERS - PARTS HARD TO GET AND ITS UNTESTED.
Why the yelling?
Untested? It's powertrain is BMW. Hardly untested. We also have no idea how the network will look. It could be shared with existing dealers. In the same way, Tesla works with GM dealers
Not Hamburg, but Hambach in France (Alsace-Lorraine). It's the former Smart factory.
I would definitely get one of these in USA if they offered the Diesel engine.
Same Here
What a JCB ?
Like our gov would certify a diesel without $8k of electronics and piping on it.
@@TheJoncic it’s weird that the land of monster trucks has less Diesels on the road than Europe.