Ultimate Gooseneck vs Fifth wheel hitch for RV showdown
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What about the Reese Goose Box? Lippert approved the use of the Goose Box without voiding the warranty.
Brent Foster: The Reese Goosebox is a great product for those who want to do an expensive conversion to a Gooseneck connection. It doesn't void the trailers warranty (in most cases) but if there is frame damage and it's determined that the Goosebox was the cause, it will void your warranty. Most people know that even if it was a manufacturing defect in the frame, the RV companies like to find anyway to avoid honoring claims. This is just another way. Just like any aftermarket item. I'm no saying that it will void the entire vehicle/rv warranty, but can effect the frame portion. Also, I didn't include it in the video since in 99% of applications you see people simply using the conversion kit NOT the reese pinbox replacement. This video is more to explain WHY converting can effect the frame in a way 99% of folks can understand. Hope it helps.
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Big Truck Big RV The GooseBox was developed with, and is approved your Lippert for their frame systems. Why would you say that it will void Lippert's warranty? And I get that you like the Andersen, but not mentioning the GooseBox only limits the options you give your audience. It would have taken 3 seconds.
Big Truck Big RV the Reese Goose box will not void the lippert frame warranty. The Reese Goose Box is the only fifth wheel adapter approved by lippert to use on their frames.
I put a Reese goose box on my 42 1/2 solitude grand design and love it. Pulls like a charm behind ram 3500 dually. Have a drop in ball factory in bed! The Reese box I bought has a airbag built in it as well
Fantastic! Thanks for pointing out the pro's and con's of a fifth wheel hitch and gooseneck hitch conversion. I'm going to re-think what I was going to do!!
So refreshing to hear you teaching again. I’ve watched a lot of other people lately and they are so annoying to listen to because they don’t know what they are talking about or how to say it in less than 30 minutes. Thanks for all the info.
It all comes down to was your fifth wheel frame built on a Monday or Friday.
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And your tow vehicle too
I love learning about things like this. So glad I went with the 5th wheel hitch.
Thanks for this informative video. I just decided to go with a B&W turnover ball and Anderson Ultimate Hitch system. I always learn so much from you.
Thanks for taking the time to make this. Great combination of layman + technical.
Awesome videos to keep me entertained and informed while pulling all nighters on the farm
Sawyer 14 were are spraying round up for weeds so when it rains they won't get out of control
Thank you for talking me out of converting to gooseneck! Much appreciated!
I feel like I need to pay you to come over and help me buy a fifth wheel when I'm ready to. I really appreciate everything you're posting you're amazing and very very helpful.
I just recently started looking at your videos, I have learned a lot of information watching your videos. Keep up the great work keeping us informed.
I adapted mine. Love how it tows. No chucking.
Very informative, thanks for the detail along with the pros and cons of each!
Having pulled the same RV with a Fifth Wheel Hitch and then as Gooseneck my preference is definitely for the Gooseneck, it pulls about the same in my opinion and I didn’t have anything in my bed to get in the way.
If money wasn’t an object (it is) I would just have a travel trailer built to my specifications by one of the horse trailer manufacturers. They are far better built than anything built by the RV manufacturers and come with a Gooseneck Hitch already not to mention heavier axles and tires.
Thank you for the good analysis. I have pulled my Open Range Lite 5th wheel about 12,000 miles through the Midwest and West without incident. Open Range offers a factory gooseneck option on their light weight units.
You did not mention three additional differences to the gooseneck system.
1) As a ball hitch it requires safety chains.
2) The ball cannot be seen from the driver’s seat in most trucks. (Requiring a spotter to assist hookup).
3) Because the latch is at the bottom of the hitch near the ball, it is almost impossible to reach over the pickup side or from the rear of the truck.(I carry a two-step ladder for that purpose.) In spite of this, I am glad I went with the gooseneck hitch and I would do it again.
Thanks for answering many of my Questions!!
Took me a while to get to this video lol. Great job. I have the Anderson Hitch that attaches to rails in the bed of my F350. For me it’s the ultimate solution. Hitching is easy and the ride is fantastic. Although my model is steel and not aluminum it’s very light and easy to take in and out of the truck.
Once again thanks for another great job.
Thank you for the clarification. My ignorance has led me to believe that gooseneck and fifth-wheel are interchangeable.
I love the Anderson Ultimate Hitch. Can un-bolt it in a minute and the 65lb pyramid comes right off. Never go back to a traditional 5th wheel hitch. They now make an aluminum alloy option weighs about 30lbs.
am in agreement with you especially with more and more trailers being built with aluminum structural units. a hitch like the b&w companion hitch provides all the pitch and yaw needed for uneven or unlevel roads.
Hitch it is! Makes more sense in allot of ways. Thanks so much.
I have the Anderson Aluminum version to pull my 36ft 5th wheel. It pulls great and smooth. And the ball is high so you can look out the back window to hook up.
Thank you, this was the information I was looking for!
Thank you for explaining the difference. Also the warranty issues.
Gen y Torsion flex goose neck hitch looks like a great upgrade
one of the disadvantages of 5th wheel hitch is of course the higher mounting point which will add leverage to side forces and definitely have an impact on truck stability, while a gooseneck transfer that force at the frame level and eliminate crosswind effects on the truck, contrary to what you stated
Exactly! This video made my head hurt, as it makes no sense. With a gooseneck ball attached in the Truck, there is ALOT more forgiveness during movement. What this person fails to recognize is the attachment point in the towing vehicle is a direct extension of the pin box on the trailer and is where the Engineering is wrapped into.
@@robbiejk9613 Thank you. And, he's using the word leverage to mean "force". Leverage and force are not the same. His explanations are not scientific and some of it is wrong.
@@warsurplus Yes, we need Engineers making videos, not Sales, or people who are making guesses. As an Engineer, alot of these people are ill informing people.
@@teon39 Other than a degree in in it. Thank You.
@@teon39 knows a lot about letting other men bang his woman while he watches tho
Thank you for this informative video. I appreciate your concerns related to stress on the trailer frame when the contact/tow point is essentially moved a foot or more away from the trailer's design point - the standard 5th wheel kingpin. That concern disappears, it seems to me, when using something like the Andersen system where the connection point is elevated to the trailer's normal kingpin attach point, keeping stresses as expected in the original trailer design. With the obvious other advantages of the Andersen system, I don't see why that would be the connection setup of choice.
I’ve never (20+ yrs) used a gooseneck hitch and was thinking about converting. I’ll stick with what I’m running thanks to your advice.
Great coverage right off the bat. Thanks for the info without a lengthy unnecessary intro.
I though that highway looked familiar. Glad to see CC represented. I'll have to swing in.
Love your videos
Thanks for verifying on the hitch styles.
Appreciate the video, I am going with the PullRite SuperGlide for my 2014 Ram 3500 Mega Cab. I wanted the clear bed when not pulling, but I don't want to give up the extra safety/stability of a 5th wheel set up. Thank you so much!
John Olberding May I ask where do I order the glider. And who professional installs.
Safety what ?? Goosebox if somehow becomes disconnected it has safety chains to keep it in the bed !! 5th wheel becomes disconnected u will have a destroyed bed sides and yes they come unlocked !! I have goosebox now because of safety and stability and a lot smoother ride !! No more chuckling for me
I am learning so much from your videos. Thank you.
Not exactly the content I was thinking it would be based on the title, but still informative. I expected a direct comparison of trailers designed as a 5th wheel setup vs trailers designed as a gooseneck setup.
Jim Cole: good point. I have been asked several times to talk about the conversion.
We just purchased our first fifth wheel and an Anderson hitch. Ill know this summer if Im still as happy with this setup as a standard fifth wheel hitch.
Thanks for a informative video. The Ultimate Connection by Andersen is a great bonus insofar as weight is concerned. Coming in at about 40 lbs is a far cry from the 250 lb of the Pullrite SuperGlide. Also, the hitch's lighter weight affords you more cargo poundage, which is helpful with dealing with pin weights, remembering that pin weights are part of the tow vehicle's cargo weight. My 6.7L F250 PS, with the Pullrite SuperGlide, weighs in at 8400# with fuel, me & and the wife. That only leaves 1600# before hitting hit the max GVWR of 10K. The additional 200# gives me some fudge room for pin weight. ...unless, of course, I am missing something.
I'm learning so much! Thanks.
You have been more than helpful. Thank you!
Great videos - we learned a lot about RV trailers and about choosing a truck - we subscribed and look forward to watching more. Thanks for the information!!
Another great video. I did not know any of this stuff. Thanks a bunch
I tow a 41 foot 15k pound that i bought a goose neck pin box for and have had 0 problems in 5 years. Flip the ball over and pick up sheet rock with out rails to deal with or a 5th wheel to take out.
Some good tips thanks for your time and input
Your videos are always informative and useful.
Great video. I did not even know there was a difference between the two
I think there is some validity in terms of how it effects the truck. This video really hits everything on the trailer side. What are your two cents on how the tow point can effect your towing experience between a gooseneck with its connection point at the bottom of the bed and closer to the axle vs. a fifth wheel hitch that elevates the mounting point almost two feet higher?
Thanks for the video. Very helpful.
ty, informative and helpful. Looking at a 5th wheel setup.
very good thank you for helping me make up my mind.
Thank you...great job and very informative!
I bought a camper with a goose neck adapter and love how easy it is to pull and back.
Another very informative video. Thank you. Could you do one about the different 5th wheel hitches? I'm confused with all the options and sliding options, etc. Thanks again.
Answers to Kevin's question would be very helpful. I asked another reader about his experience with the Andersen fifth wheel hitch. I am also considering a fifth wheel Curt non-automatic slider because I'll be driving a shortbed. Thanks!
I heard you want a slider for a short bed and non slider for long beds. Ask etrailer.com they were helpful and replied quick!
Lots of good information in this video but you missed two main points for not using gooseneck hitch. First any ball type hitch voids all warranty on every camper and second you have to have safety chains attached to frame (not just to pin box like most do) when using gooseneck which will require cutting into body of camper and voiding warranty
Thanks..very educational explained everything I was confused about these options.
Helpful information, saved me from an error
Great advice Bro!....Much appreciated 👍
One year later switches to Goose-neck. Looking hard at going to a Goose-neck setup when I get my Fifth Wheel.
If a trailer is going to fall apart from being converted to a gooseneck clearly they don't know how to build a trailer. I've been running a gooseneck on my camper for many years and have never had a problem. There's no way I would ever put that big fifth wheel plate in the back of any of my trucks.
smcox1991 what type of rv do you have? I’m a newbie and have a fifth wheel for my horse trailer and just planned on using for my future rv. I had no idea this was even a concern. Thank u in advance😇
Agreed, apparently RV manufacturers build weak frames not ment to be towed
@@teon39 And if frame damage due to gooseneck adapters was as big of a problem as RV forums and UA-cam "experts" would have us believe, it wouldn't be next to impossible to find photos of frame damage online.
I like my trailer saver with air bags
Open Range has been putting out a Light series of 5th wheel for about 5 years now. It actually comes as a modified gooseneck. It is I believe the only true gooseneck 5er on the market. It is an amazing tow and works perfectly for those of us with a flatbed. You just have to swap out the round tube adapter with a BX1 coupler or similar and you are on the road
Thank you for the information. I learned a lot.
Great information!
Great video, I noticed that you mentioned the Anderson hitch set up, can you expand on that thought process a little. Considering going to that system. Thanks
Can you show how to work with, hook up, a5th wheel with a standard, or Anderson, 5th wheel product? Or if you have, I can't find it on your site? Thank you.
This info rock's was really helpful thank you.
It would have been nice for this newbie to see just a picture of the hookup done with the gooseneck. For now I'll have to take your word on how stresses would be applied, since I don't have a mental image to test:)
Thanks for the info!
You nailed the question! You might get more space in the bed of the truck and less weight because of it but the less stress and more stability of the 5th wheel outweighs the "benefits" of a gooseneck at least with a box van behind and above you compared to animals!
Good information thank you
Great INFO. As a retired engineer I can see where the gooseneck will create a much larger bending moment into the trailer. The stresses will be in the same area but more from the gooseneck connection. It seems that the biggest reason I have heard for a gooseneck has been to provide more cargo space in the bed of the truck. I'm not so sure the Anderson Fifth Wheel Hitch does any more for you in that area unless it can be easily removed when not pulling your trailer.
Can you put the math to the stresses between the 2 hitches?
Good info, thanks.
Thank you for your video, it help me big time
Good Stuff,Great Tips😄👍🏿
as always your well informed Thank you for the information
Great video... very informative 😀👍
I have a reese goosebox. Works fine. Can you give us your opinion on them?
What is you thoughts on The B&W turnover ball with the companion fithwheel adapter ? i have one and have pulled both gooseneck and Fifth wheel and it pulls great . whats your thoughts ?
BTBRV: I solved this prob for myself by having a goose neck that would hook up to my 5th wheel rails in the bed. Just swap out Hitches on the rails. I KNOW that was old school.
I made an investment on a new 2017 F350 lariat ultimate! you are an amazing person who shares your un biased thoughts on so many subjects!
Martin Olson: thanks! very kind of you!
JD, Do you still feel this same way about the hitches? If not, I would love to see an updated video.
Awesome informational educational video experience Y'alls
I have a reese goosebox hitch. Works great. Can you investigate them and tell us or me your opinion?
I mostly see goosenecks on horse trailers and the like, since people drag them through the fields and creeks and whatnot.
It would be cool if you could pull a pin on your 5th wheel plate to allow lateral movement, so you have that option at low speed if you're going down remote places.
I just noticed you got off at Rod Field Road. I live in Corpus and down the road off Slough lol.
JD, I appreciate your expertise. Would you do another video with a standard fifth wheel hitch, a gooseneck adapter, and then a Reese gooseneck pin box. I believe people need a visual to understand exactly your point you are making. Love your channel and you are the best.
Hello. I did something similar after installing the first Goosebox.
The burning question I have always had on this is not, which hitch; I have always asked, WHY?, as in, why did RV manufacturers choose to adopt the 5th wheel as the standard for RV's instead of the goose neck? I have never heard an answer to this question that is supported by anything. I am not asking about converting to a goose neck from a 5th wheel, I am asking why they chose to use a 5th wheel as the standard in the first place.
In my opinion, a goose neck is a simpler system, and much more efficient use of truck bed space, and precisely the reason I think it is superior. I have never towed a 5th wheel, but I have towed thousands of goose neck trailers. Goose necks just work, every time, all the time, so I never understood why?
The stresses a goose neck induce on the trailer frame was engineered out of existence years ago and I am certain they could do the same on a RV frame as they do on 48' horse trailers with changing rooms and/or sleeping quarters.
For this reason, I have never heard an answer that makes any real sense to, why do RV manufacturers design to a 5th wheel instead of designing to a goose neck.
I've been asking this question for over 20 years, so I hope you have one.
Thanks
I wander the same thing.
Great video! Thx! I subscribed just off this vid.
You didn't mention the Reese goosebox system. I think if you look at that apposed to the cheap adapters you'd have a far different opinion on gooseneck pulling a camper with that.
Lawrence Cooper: I agree.
Jay1111: um ok
I love my reese goosebox. This is the only goose neck system that our fifth manufacturer (thor) would allow us to use to keep our factory warranty. With the air suspension built in the ride is wonderful.i have about 20k miles on the hitch so far.
I disagree about added stress to the RV frame also. The stresses behind the mounting point of the goosebox are going to be exactly the same as the fifth wheel.
have you looked at the reese goosebox? opinions?
thank you
I have had a slider hitch but really like my Anderson
What's your opinion on the automated Safety Hitch setup, so that I can utilize my truck for other load carrying....
Excellent video. I have a Companion B&W and it's excellent. I will say though the Anderson has been on my mind if for anything the weight alone. I am concerned about the lateral movement as here in the west we get some seriously winds. Great video!!!
Can you tell me about the B&W? Do you have this one?
www.turnoverball.com/products/single-point-attachment/companion-5th-wheel-hitch
I already have the turnover ball in the truck and pull gooseneck stock trailers. I was wondering the comparison of that to the something like the Reese Goosebox mentioned previously? Thanks!!!
What are your thoughts on hauling a gooseneck trailer adapted for 5th wheel? There is obvious balance issues since the 5th wheel hitch is not flush with truck bed and raises the nose of the trailer considerably higher. I am wondering merely for knowing if it is truly advisable or not in future application consideration.
Good video
Your stress accesment is absolutely correct. Listen up people.
Have you tried the Gen-y-hitch pin box?
Can you do a video on different types of conventional weigh dist hitches, there are some odd ones where the trailer no longer piviots on a conventional hitch ball.
How do you feel about the B&W Champion RVK 35000. It fits into a GooseNeck Slot but isn't just a Towing Ball on the bed of the truck.
I need some help! I just purchased an 5th Wheel RV. I have no clue what I am doing with this thing. I have had a hard time getting someone to move it for me and now I am having a hard time because it has a gooseneck adapter piece. I live in Texas. Is there a place you know of that can help me or any recommendations about me moving it myself? I’m in Conroe Texas
BTRV guy, I just watched this video for the 4th time and you state emphatically that you would not recommend switching from a 5th wheel hitch to a goose neck hitch. I know you recommended an Anderson 5th wheel hitch which mounts to a goose neck ball, but I need to know the best slider hitch recommendation from you for a slider type 5th wheel hitch for my new RAM 3500 short box truck with Ram Boxes. I need an adjustable height hitch so I can raise the pin box high enough to clearance the Ram Boxes during tight turning. The Reese Sidewinder hangs the weight of my 5th wheel back and off the center of my truck's axle which is not OK for me while driving long distances. I prefer something like the Pull Rite or the Demco. Please give me your thoughts on those 2 systems. I will be OK with top of bed mounted rail system if that is all I can get. You'd think someone of these companies would have what I need.
Thank you,
Phil Salsbery
Huntington Beach, CA
You didn't mention the noise factor. The Anderson Ultimate system eliminates the front to back clunking in a standard king pin mount.