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  • Q&A on the 64 bit server transfer, a look at the not-yet-open LOTRO Discord and more!

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  • @GraveYardShif7
    @GraveYardShif7 22 дні тому +14

    _LoTRO has hands down the best community and developers in any MMORPG. Trust me I play Classic WoW and the Activision Blizzard Developers could give a damn their players, or even do things like this listening to players questions. This Developer Cordovan you can tell loves Lord of the Rings. We need more developers like this in the gaming industry._

  • @nathanielallanschweitzer9986
    @nathanielallanschweitzer9986 23 дні тому +43

    I want a lotro mug....

    • @antalonampreel861
      @antalonampreel861 23 дні тому +7

      Me too.

    • @paltrax
      @paltrax 23 дні тому

      Licencing is a bitch

    • @lalo1088
      @lalo1088 22 дні тому +2

      me 2

    • @dew-me7266
      @dew-me7266 22 дні тому

      Google LOTRO Transparent logo, save it, remove the background, go to any shirt or merchandise website, and paste the logo on any product, it's a workaround, just don't sell it to make money but there you go. Big Brain.

    • @davidrommel8109
      @davidrommel8109 22 дні тому +2

      Me too!!

  • @VoiceoftheRings
    @VoiceoftheRings 21 день тому +2

    Very Excited for Everything! Keep it up Guys!

  • @K4rmaRules
    @K4rmaRules 23 дні тому +6

    Brilliant! Thank you Lotro team.

  • @karmatobvrn
    @karmatobvrn 21 день тому +2

    As a french player, thank you. Looking forward the discord server.

  • @sethb1689
    @sethb1689 19 днів тому +3

    For the Discord it would be better for the 64bit worlds to have their own category with dedicated general/trade/lfg/kin recruit ect. channels. Having a single channel for all servers for those things will just be chaos.

  • @ThisisCitrus
    @ThisisCitrus 23 дні тому +18

    Will LOTRO ever update the game to be playable on 4k monitors? A lot of the UI doesn't scale properly on high res monitors and is all blurry and very tiny.

    • @BananaMonkeyization
      @BananaMonkeyization 23 дні тому +6

      UI resolution increases would be so nice.

    • @ThisisCitrus
      @ThisisCitrus 23 дні тому +5

      @@BananaMonkeyization Its a big part of why I can't play as much as I would like to. Text is so tiny I can only read it if I get really close on a 4k screen.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 23 дні тому +4

      UI Updates are happening, we have an upcoming Deed Panel Update, however right now as of Jan 18th, 2025 we don't know when other UI Updates such as UI Scaling will occur. Definitely planned but it's not on the immediate (3-ish month) future. Maybe will happen in 2025, maybe not, it's wait & see.

    • @davidrommel8109
      @davidrommel8109 22 дні тому +4

      Just a thought. There is a cool plugin that uses an AI text to speech api to read NPC text to you. Can't remember the name at the moment...

    • @GraveYardShif7
      @GraveYardShif7 22 дні тому +3

      @@davidrommel8109 That is an amazing mod. They have it for classic WoW too and it literally voices all the npcs and quest givers. The voices sound like they are straight from the game as well.

  • @Stinger05
    @Stinger05 23 дні тому +8

    excited for an official discord! I'm not super used to using forums so I currently feel a little disconnected from the community

  • @jeffloy4638
    @jeffloy4638 23 дні тому +5

    -Thanks for the additional info! Really looking forward to this!
    -Dedicated vinyl stream when???
    -LOTRO mugs on sale when??? haha

  • @Freelancer_1960
    @Freelancer_1960 16 днів тому +1

    Seems good. Thank you for careful consideration of the issues that most commonly affect these behaviors.

  • @reneweidenmuller331
    @reneweidenmuller331 11 днів тому +1

    I play your game since 2009. Thanks for your background knowledge, which is not in the books and in films. I learned to survive in the wilderness through Lord of the Rings online if there should be a solar storm during my lifetime and all the digital technology should be destroyed. Thanks Ryulas Almengorn from the German Server Gwaihair.

  • @Galaxyfaraway79
    @Galaxyfaraway79 17 днів тому +3

    Kinda relieved that I'm a brand new player and all I have is a level 12 char zero house and no kinship to worry about 😂

  • @Jay-eo5sx
    @Jay-eo5sx 18 днів тому +3

    0.5% drop rates for Gold barter locked to once a day is Stupid for the new instances

  • @epicnamepwns1242
    @epicnamepwns1242 23 дні тому +6

    Live-to-VOD feedback/request: Please read or summarize questions as nobody can read the Twitch chat log on UA-cam. Usually context is enough but some can be lost when only the answers but not the questions are here

  • @gamEnjoyLP
    @gamEnjoyLP 17 днів тому +2

    Is there like a roadmap for the Mordor legendary server in regards to when the expansion will roll out ?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 17 днів тому +2

      If you look up the "LOTRO Public Event Schedule" you'll find it and right now the Legendary Servers Angmar & Mordor will have the Siege of Mirkwood Content available towards the end of April 2025.

  • @JohnAlterat
    @JohnAlterat 21 день тому +4

    in the name of Gods. You are my hearth keepers for this dark mmorpg times. Thank you all for your work. When 64 eu world will be available - damn, my pockets will lose some coins.
    BTW. Will you have any plans to redesign of basic UI?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +2

      UI Updates are happening. We have an upcoming Deed Panel Update. Other UI related Updates however aren't known for when they will happen right now (Jan 20th, 2025).

  • @will6292
    @will6292 23 дні тому +4

    Yesss dark world transfers, thank you!!

  • @TrooperJT
    @TrooperJT 23 дні тому +8

    “Soon…..not today” 😂😂😂

  • @hockey1973
    @hockey1973 20 днів тому +2

    I took one look at the thumbnail and thought "When did Dave Grohl become a LOTRO dev?"

  • @GlennJackson-d8e
    @GlennJackson-d8e 23 дні тому +9

    Thank you for everything. This transfer feels like a look to the future rather than a closing down of the game.

  • @johnweibel1128
    @johnweibel1128 19 днів тому +2

    Love my Treebeard!

  • @Lyrikk_Mariettabrit
    @Lyrikk_Mariettabrit 22 дні тому +2

    If I have multiple houses with items from a toon on the same account... what happens if I transfer a character that still has bound items in another toons house?
    ie Char A has bound items in Char B's home. Char A transfers first, then Char B... what happens to Char A's items in this case?
    I guess this also applies to toons I have on mutiple accounts that have items in each other accounts homes.... seems like I will lose items for whichever toon I transfer first?

  • @kylehofmeister6906
    @kylehofmeister6906 21 день тому +2

    I'm looking to get into the game as a VIP member but I'm unsure what to do... Should I wait for the 64bit servers to come out or play the legendary servers? It doesn't seem worth starting fresh on the old servers but I'm curious if anyone has a helpful opinion. Thank you!

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +2

      Pending anything the upcoming 64-bit Free/Anyone Servers will be in February. So there is probably 30 days or less, from Jan 20th, 2025, until said Servers will be open.
      If you start on a Legendary Server right now (Treebeard, Angmar, and Mordor) you probably will not be able to Transfer said Character(s) over to the new servers. So that would be the only downside.

    • @kylehofmeister6906
      @kylehofmeister6906 20 днів тому +2

      @@harvain731 Thanks for the info! So the new 64bits servers wont require you to be VIP in order to play them?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 20 днів тому

      @@kylehofmeister6906 The 4 upcoming 64-bit Servers are Free to everyone to be on. No VIP Sub required.

  • @LOTROMOODS
    @LOTROMOODS 23 дні тому +5

    Great video! Very informative! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @GlennJackson-d8e
    @GlennJackson-d8e 23 дні тому +7

    If we transfer our character and get a name-number, will the Kinship recognize that character? also, if we rename our character in such a case, will we have to be re-invited to our kinship?

    • @LilRedHead42
      @LilRedHead42 23 дні тому +3

      You'll still transfer into the kin - they recognize you as the same character. A rose by any other name and all that. :)

  • @eightb8295
    @eightb8295 21 день тому +2

    Will the new 64 bit legendary servers get transfers? I just started playing and everyone said the new legendary was the best place for new players to experience the world, but it seems like all of us will not be able to transfer to the new servers when they roll out and will eventually be left behind as the vets switch back to old characters.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +2

      Probably not when the Free/Anyone 64-bit Servers launch.
      The Legendary Servers generally only have two times Transfers happen: When the Player Count is way too low for months and when they reach their "natural end".

  • @infasis
    @infasis 21 день тому +2

    Would I be best off waiting to play until the new servers are ready?
    (I've dabbled a little bit and I'll probably still mess around, but if I invest serious time I'd like it to be future proofed)

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +2

      You can start now on any of the 10 Main Servers as we'll have "Transfers" from them to the upcoming 4 64-bit Servers.
      However there will only be US to US Transfers & EU to EU Transfers so choose wisely for this if you pick a Server as this will lock any Character onto that side of the game.

    • @infasis
      @infasis 21 день тому +2

      @harvain731 Thanks, I guess I'm just gonna go with US/Brandywine and then I'll deal with the transfer stuff when the time comes

  • @remmyremarius8889
    @remmyremarius8889 21 день тому +2

    Very useful kin transfer update. 😀

  • @daveisnothere
    @daveisnothere 23 дні тому +2

    How will standard kin houses be handled, the same as premium kin houses?

  • @botchgoddess
    @botchgoddess 23 дні тому +7

    Hey wait, I can't have a lotro mug? what??

  • @MalachiteViking
    @MalachiteViking 21 день тому +2

    Never Understood the Name Generation limiter. Why its not unlocked and free to choose. Im having to Skip the RP server because i cant RP with the names i want.. Im having to add extra or alternate until i find one that works.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +2

      One thing that will help with the upcoming 64-bit Server is opening up potentially Hundreds of Thousands of names. If you wait until the 64-bit RP Servers are available you might be able to get various names.

  • @lalo1088
    @lalo1088 22 дні тому +2

    thank you

  • @opperhoofdrampeneer8324
    @opperhoofdrampeneer8324 22 дні тому +2

    What if I just happen to drop some money on some accidentally specific paypal account, and you just happen to coincidentally send a non-descript never to be mentioned again mug-like article to my doorstep? That would be an amazing set of circumstances........

  • @FirestoneTales
    @FirestoneTales 23 дні тому +2

    Middle-Earth Ent. Should for sure give you guys the right to sell LOTRO merch 😅

  • @virotype
    @virotype 22 дні тому +3

    For the love.... update the UI to normal, modern resolutions.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +2

      UI Updates are happening. We have an upcoming Deed Panel Update. Other UI related Updates however aren't known for when they will happen right now (Jan 20th, 2025).

  • @xXdeadpool77Xx
    @xXdeadpool77Xx 23 дні тому +2

    When is the EU servers coming?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 23 дні тому +2

      The 4 upcoming Servers having a window of before March, so February 2025, but this is pending anything.

  • @MrBMLM8
    @MrBMLM8 23 дні тому +4

    The biggest problem is that people cannot transfer from us servers to new 64 eu servers...

    • @ryanglacier30
      @ryanglacier30 23 дні тому +2

      I'm sure they'll figure it out considering every European is on a US server

    • @craftyirish1
      @craftyirish1 23 дні тому +2

      @@ryanglacier30 They wont! and no they aren't.

    • @Medik_0001
      @Medik_0001 23 дні тому

      They're not, they have real EU servers now ​@@ryanglacier30

    • @ryanglacier30
      @ryanglacier30 23 дні тому +2

      @@craftyirish1 considering these aren't any European servers aside from Mordor. Yes they are all on the New Jersey servers

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 23 дні тому +3

      @@ryanglacier30 Upcoming Servers will be hosted from Amsterdam, Netherlands for the 2 EU Servers. Las Vegas, Nevada, USA will host the 2 US Servers. So yes, we will have more EU Servers hosted from Europe soon in 2025.
      USEU Server Transfers aren't likely but not 100% off the table either.
      Then again it might happen as if someone told me a 64-bit Client would happen (2019) or 64-bit Servers would happen (2024 & 2025) back in 2013-2018 I'd have said that sure it could happen but it most likely won't. Time will tell.

  • @CountNickVonNerdenbit
    @CountNickVonNerdenbit 22 дні тому +2

    if i were a multi millionaire I would invest in you devs for making a new monster player class like a goblin or angmar sorceress maybe even a like undead class

  • @86ericg
    @86ericg 23 дні тому +2

    I'm in east canada why there no 64 bit server in the east moving to las vegas will be terible for the ping will be very high i will not moove until there 64bit east server

    • @Supadrumma441
      @Supadrumma441 23 дні тому

      Suck it up cupcake, try playing on 300ms from Australia sometime.

  • @doganaydogan5664
    @doganaydogan5664 23 дні тому +8

    Thanks for doing this and keeping the beloved LOTRO community informed.
    I was thrilled to hear about the new servers, UNTIL last week I heard that I could not transfer to an EU server from a US one. Now I am stuck in a US server while playing from eastern Europe (150ish ms latency at best) and I feel betrayed (No one warned me about this issue when I transferred to Landroval from a dark world many years ago).
    Two things are handled in a "we did so and deal with it" manner (ridiculous naming "race" and cross continental transfers). I and most the people I read/hear are really annoyed about it.
    On the other hand, I still thank the company for still investing and improving this amazing game.

    • @thisjustin5330
      @thisjustin5330 23 дні тому +3

      I Hear You There., I Play In The Evernight Server From Texas., I Wonder If I Should Even Leave Evernight When Orcrist Becomes Available, Or Remain: But The Decision Is Heavily Based On The Community Within Evernight And If They All Plan To Transfer Over, Which I Suspect Most Will, I Will Go With The People I Love Even If I Lag Real Bad

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 23 дні тому +5

      LOTRO hasn't had US EU Transfers and we had this topic come up several times in the past such as 2015/2016 for the big Server Consolidation.
      Landroval is a US Server so you were on a US Server from that period of time as well back in 2015/2016. All LOTRO Servers have been hosted from the USA since 2011 with the established US to US only & EU to EU only for transfers.
      We "might" in the future, not likely in 2025, see the possibility of US EU Transfers but then again we might not.

    • @Supadrumma441
      @Supadrumma441 23 дні тому +4

      *Laughs in 300ms while playing from Australia* 150ms is butter smooth gameplay in comparison.

    • @a1eszencia664
      @a1eszencia664 23 дні тому +3

      @@Supadrumma441 Aussies to the 64-bit servers in the new data centre in Las Vegas will give us 180ms :)

  • @craftyirish1
    @craftyirish1 23 дні тому +2

    discord looks good.

  • @hellodarkness5644
    @hellodarkness5644 21 день тому +2

    Dave Grohl?

  • @ziusthefirst5387
    @ziusthefirst5387 23 дні тому +2

    So let me understand something, when we transfer a character it does not come in to the new server with it's name. Is that right?

    • @SaragornGames
      @SaragornGames 23 дні тому +3

      It should get its name unless it already exists and in that case it get a modified name. Think that is appended with a number or something like that and freely then be able to give it a name of your choosing.

    • @Supadrumma441
      @Supadrumma441 23 дні тому +5

      So if your Characters name is Bob and you transfer, but there is another Bob already on the server, your characters name will be Bob-1 with the ability to rename it for free.

  • @DNikos7
    @DNikos7 23 дні тому +2

    Lifetime sub owner here from Evernight server EU, haven’t logged for more than a year, do I get it right that I have to choose a new server and migrate?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 22 дні тому +3

      What is happening is that 4 New Servers are going to be opened. They will allow anyone on the 5 US 32-bit Servers to Transfer to the 2 upcoming 64-bit Servers. Same thing for the 5 EU 32-bit Servers to the 2 upcoming 64-bit Servers. This will be happening either in February or March 2025.
      Possibly either in 2025 or 2026 they will probably close the 10 Main 32-bit Servers. So either here in Early 2025 or sometime later in 2025 or in 2026 everyone will have to Transfer. There are no USEU Transfers so any Characters on a US Server have to play on US Servers and EU Characters on EU Servers.
      So you don't "have" to Transfer right away. However as we are having 4 Servers Names & Housing is going to be on a "first come, first serve" so if you want to keep some Character Names you might want to keep an eye on what's happening. More info about this in the coming weeks.

    • @mercster
      @mercster 22 дні тому +2

      @@harvain731 Hi... he made it sound like you create a character first to "reserve" the name, then transfer over a char and that character inhabits that name...? What I'm wondering is, I would like to transfer a character but change its name on the new server... will it be possible to do that somehow in the transfer process? Or will I have to pay for a name change as usual?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 22 дні тому +2

      @ If you Create a Character with said Name or someone else uses the Name of your Character you'll get a -# added to your Character.
      As an example this would be Harvain-1. You'll then have a prompt allowing you to Rename your Character.
      So you can change said Character's name for free if you Create a Character on the new server, transfer Old Character, it'll get a -1 (or -2, etc.), and then can rename.

  • @mechanizedsleep
    @mechanizedsleep 23 дні тому +1

    I clicked on this vid because you look like Dave Grohl

  • @monkeychickenist
    @monkeychickenist 20 днів тому +2

    I don't understand how creating a new character with the same name reserves the name. Wouldn't that do the opposite? Now you have purposely blocked the name. You can't have 2 characters with the same name.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 20 днів тому +2

      If we are talking Day 1 for VIPs-only what happens is that a VIP Account can create up to 3 Characters (not been stated if Per Server or Total as of January 20th, 2025) and "Reserve the Names".
      Then on Day 2 or later when you Transfer you'll have yourself all set & ready to rename the Character. If you delete the "Reserved Name Character", login to the Transferred Character you can then "Rename". The example would be "Harvain" for the "Reserve Name" and Transfer a Harvain over. The Transferred Harvain becomes Harvain-1. Then I can delete Reserve "Harvain", log into "Harvain-1" and rename said Character to Harvain.
      The other way is to "delete" and then Transfer on Day 2 or later and you'll just have the Character Named, example "Harvain". Only issue with this method is there "is" the possible risk that after Deleting the Reserve Character & Transferring that someone else might get said name.
      Using the "Create Reserve + Transfer + Delete Reserve + Rename Transferred Character" method is probably the one to use.

  • @delphidark
    @delphidark 23 дні тому +3

    WHAT MG ARE YOUR GUMMIES?

  • @sparthir
    @sparthir 23 дні тому +9

    It would be a far better player experience to just migrate all the 32bit servers to 64bit servers. This is a headache what with name clashes, housing and kinship migration etc.

  • @captainofdunedain3993
    @captainofdunedain3993 23 дні тому +2

    So as a kinship leader I must abandon kinship house? When? Like today?

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 23 дні тому +2

      No, they'll have an "Updated Guide" for how this all works here in the future once we are closed to the upcoming 64-bit Servers & Transfers.

    • @captainofdunedain3993
      @captainofdunedain3993 23 дні тому +2

      @ so I must wait right? It’s really stressful

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 22 дні тому +3

      @@captainofdunedain3993 The upcoming 64-bit Servers haven't been announced as of January 18th, 2025 of when they'll happen.
      So yes, you have to wait for now, just relax as we'll be getting more info in the coming weeks.

    • @captainofdunedain3993
      @captainofdunedain3993 22 дні тому +2

      @ Thank you so much for explaining

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 22 дні тому +2

      @ Welcome!

  • @jamesanderson954
    @jamesanderson954 23 дні тому +3

    All this big deal
    About names and they just take away my sofa king awesome kin

    • @Supadrumma441
      @Supadrumma441 23 дні тому +1

      Are you on Agmar by any chance? I saw that kin name and I was like "Yep that isn't going to last a week" I had a solo kin on Landy called Lag of the Rings and it got changed by a GM to some elven bollocks. Also ate a 7 day suspension in world this week for.....profanity in world chat......that you can only see........if you DISABLE the profanity filter.
      Honestly, this community is full of people who CLEARLY sniffed glue as a teenager and have permanent brain damage. They report the dumbest stuff.

    • @jamesanderson954
      @jamesanderson954 21 день тому

      @ yeah I’m on angmar it almost feels like i was targeted I had a kin house and everything

    • @Supadrumma441
      @Supadrumma441 21 день тому

      @ It seems that lotro only caters to the autistics and socially inept. I'm over this so called "great community" cause the devs will only remove something if some baby reports it.

  • @SaragornGames
    @SaragornGames 23 дні тому +1

    Fast Travel is not account based, the character has to have been played during vip. Why does he not know that? Well account status is what "unlocks" it but if you are not you only have swift travel on characters played during vip.

  • @eileencristina3436
    @eileencristina3436 23 дні тому +1

    All this is going to do is stretch the players even more apart so every world will have minimal people and it is going to hurt the original servers.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 23 дні тому +2

      The current 10 Main Servers will most likely be closed either here in 2025 or 2026. Eventually the only choice for a "Free/Anyone" Server will be the upcoming 4 64-bit Servers.

    • @12crows1
      @12crows1 22 дні тому

      @@harvain731 This is NOT right! Cord has repeatedly stated the 32bit servers will not be closed! If you are going to comment? You might want to actually watch the video! Because if they do that, then Cord has been lying about it for 2 videos and that could cause SSG no end of legal exposure.

    • @harvain731
      @harvain731 21 день тому +1

      @ They've talked about how the 10 Main 32-bit Servers along with Treebeard (Legendary Server) will be reviewed later in 2025 for what might need to be done with them. This means " Still Open or to be Closed".
      The SSG LOTRO Team are also "encouraging" and will continue encourage Players to go to the upcoming 64-bit Servers.
      It might not happen in 2025 but it's guaranteed that we will see the 32-bit LOTRO Servers close at a future date.

  • @12crows1
    @12crows1 23 дні тому +4

    I'll be honest! I'm not interested in transferring! It's to much screwing around and I'm not renaming 20 alts! You guys have not thought this out! And the explanation of the process in this video is making it worse! Holy fail Batman!

    • @davidrommel8109
      @davidrommel8109 23 дні тому +20

      It's not as bad as you make out. I've transferred before. It's pretty easy and that was like 10 years ago. It is way better now. You will be forced to move at some point in the near future as Windows server will stop supporting 32 bit machines. These 32 bit machines are a nearly 25 year old technology. Also if you don't want to rename everybody the sooner you go the more likely you get the names you want. This is a company that needs has infrastructure concerns and needs to make money. I'm sure all of those 20 alts are not VIP as well if any. I think your response is pretty unfair considering how much we get in this game literally for nothing.

    • @Neerepha
      @Neerepha 23 дні тому +5

      Most of us will be leaving for the new servers so if the old ones get their population so low it's inconvenient for them to keep them up (which is very likely) you'll be forced to transfer anyway. Better doing things while they are free and you have a better chance to keep your character's names. The longer you wait, the slimmer the chances...

    • @forestschneiter5832
      @forestschneiter5832 23 дні тому +1

      They’re dealing with a lot of old tech. No doubt that has something to do with how things being done. I’m pretty surprised daybreak games is still pouring money into the game.

    • @12crows1
      @12crows1 23 дні тому +3

      @@davidrommel8109 First off, ALL 20 are VIP and I've been supporting this game financially for YEARS! And almost every dissenting response I've gotten so far is making my point for me! Just like you have. They are going to eventually FORCE everyone over to the 64 bit servers! So there is no reason not to transfer the most populated servers over in one shot and use them as the anchoring base for the new 64 bit servers! Then you have the lower population servers transfer into those! What they are doing now will fragment solid stable communities.
      Also, if what "you" are saying is true? Then Cord is KNOWINGLY lying about not forcing people to transfer. So which is it??? In a way it's potentially worse than I made it out to be, now isn't it?

    • @12crows1
      @12crows1 23 дні тому

      @@forestschneiter5832 I'm not surprised!!! They are making plenty of $$$ off LOTRO! That's why they are doing these upgrades. So they don't lose anymore players. The people who leave this game almost all state, it's the laggy game servers and an inability to alter some really basic game mechanics. Such as text size! None say the game itself or the player community is the problem and a lot would come back if they upgraded! So I realize this upgrade is long overdue! But the implementation of these transfers is where they are making a BIG mistake!!!