Not only does the Kubota weigh more, increasing its traction advantage, you hung a ballast box aft of the centerline of the John Deere, which while adding some traction to the rear wheels actually removes traction from the front wheels.
But on any tractor, the rear wheels do most of the work. If the front wheels added that much, all tractors would be 4wd wheel drive. How many tractors for decades have pulled/plowed you name it, with only 2wd? BTW one of the tests here were in 2wd. The ballast behind the the rear axle is a distinct advantage for better traction vs detriment. Yes rear axle weight does obviously help counter loader work weight. But the fact is as far as rear axle traction, 100 lbs behind the axle can be as effective as 200 lbs centered over the axle. ( just using arbitrary numbers for reference only) It’s the same effect if you try picking up a 16’ 2x4 at the very end vs in the middle to hold it horizontal. The 2x4 weighs the same, the leverage effect is very different. Fun!
As entertaining as it is to watch tractors play tug of war, it's also kind of amusing to see grown men argue on the internet over whose tractor is "better". Seems to be a very sensitive topic for some ;)
It looked to me like they were dead even. Whichever tractor happened to move first ended up maintaining forward motion. I know it is nit picking but doing a test like this is very tricky. There is no way to ensure that the ground offered similar tractor to both tractors. You could see the Deere was still on grass while the Kubota was digging into dirt. Had you swapped the tractors around each time it probably would have helped. Once you have wheel spin it is no longer about tractor horsepower or transmissions, it is purely a weight/traction issue. In the end unless you have prepped soil like at a tractor pull the only way to have an even pull is on dry clean pavement.
Honestly, both the John Deere and the Kubota are good solid machines that will work day in and day out. One may have a slight advantage over the other, but at the end of the day, both will meet or exceed your expectations.
The only thing that matters here is rather or not you like orange or green and yellow , pick your tractor and have fun !! I have used a Kabota and it works great , I own a John Deere 3032E and I love it !
I want to see more tug of war... but to be perfectly fair it should be done at a specific price. Bring your best $30,000 tractor. Base price out the door with loader, tires and ballast.
If you look at the angle of the chain, it appears to be lower on the JD end. That would mean it is pulling downward, and by default, adding traction to the Kubota. From the reverse point of view, the Kubota is lifting the the Deere's rear wheels enough to lose traction. Maybe I have it wrong but that is what makes sense to me. I think the chain must be parallel to the ground to make it equal footing. Not sure there is any real way to say one tractor out-pulls the other.
That 30** series Deere has an aluminum rear on it if you're lucky; potmetal if you're not. Kubota builds the Kubota, could be anyone building the Deere.
Having the Deere ballast out and away from the tractor does give it a significant down pressure on rear tires but it also takes weight off of the front axle. A rear ballast box is used for loader work. Loading rear tires helps in ground engaging equipment. Anytime you can get the weight closer to the center of gravity of the tractor, the better it will pull. I have a John Deere and I probably wouldn't buy an e series. Just wanted to point out that this is not even.
Fair enough. And I must say I've always perceived Kubota as a superior product. John Deere really hurt perception amongst casuals when they started selling thru Home Depot.
Not a fair match really... ballast box in no way compares to having loaded tires in a tug of war. There's a difference in weight being behind the tractor, rather than the weight being in the tires on the ground for traction... you just took weight off the front wheels of the JD didn't ya.
The ballast box is a distinct advantage as it provides weight leverage behind the rear axle. Ballast in tires provides a traction increase yes but is good for stability as well.
MartenFarms nobody is buying tractors because of their resale value. They're buying them to make money while they own them and if they happen to make a few bucks on the backside it's a bonus.
Can't argue with that. It's the mindset of tractor buyers. Sorta like people think Angus beef is better than anything else simply because the Angus Assoc. has done an excellent job at marketing their breed, same with Deere.
I don't own a tractor and checked this video out due to curiosity. Kabota wins a tug-o-war against the this particular model of JD. That's it. Period. Quit crying about whether it was fair or not. The fair comes once a year - get over it.
Automatic Slim look u said u don’t own a tractor so don’t tell the people that work with them all day to shut up we know wut we are talking about and the Kubota had a unfair advantage
@@bigg7882There seems to be a lot of people with as much experience as you on this site that disagree with you. If "Ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas.
Automatic Slim dude I was telling u to stay out of this cuz u don’t know what ur talking about when he compared the two he was in favor of the Kubota some things are better on the Kubota but a lot are better on the Deere
weight can either work for or against you it depends on your application really, doing loader work and lots of ground engaging work you want a lot of extra weight, if you're just mowing with it and don't want to mess up your turf a smaller machine with less weight will do the trick
the more of these videos I watch just convinces me more and more that Kubota is THE brand to own/work. Keep up the videos, I look fwd to each and every one. Thank You for all the efforts.
I own a Kubota but have to admit, tug of war battles, whether they are b/t two tractors or two trucks do not reveal anything because the tests are bogus. The vehicle that starts pulling a millisecond faster always wins because momentum is almost impossible to stop. Once one vehicle gets going, they always win.
The weight box is above the towing chain as in the fluid in the kubota is partially below the chain so the weight is a lot more effective in the kubota
The height of the weight has nothing to do with its effectiveness. The fact that the ballast box is a few feet behind the JD's axle gives the JD an advantage if the weights inside the tires and inside the ballast box were equal. It's like the weight on the JD is on a 3 foot lever amplifying its downward force on the rear axle. To prove this explanation hold a gallon of milk with your bare hand, no problem right? Now hang the milk 3 feet out on a broomstick and see how heavy it feels. The lever amplifies the weight. Now too much weight in the ballast box could lift the front wheels of the JD off the ground but if you've ever seen a tractor pull you realize that the rear tires are doing all of the work with that much weight since you've now added all of the weight of the front of the tractor to the rear tires too.
'The height of the weight has nothing to do with its effectiveness.' It really, really does, and for exactly this sort of contest. Lower center of gravity, go ahead and look that up. You probably didn't look it up, so, but it means the front tires aren't getting much grip(that leverage you talked about causes this too, which is ironic, huh?), and its about 1 of 5 things that gave the Mahindra an advantage in this video: 1. More weight 2. More aggressive tires(more traction, but also means more yard damage). 3. more horsepower 4. pulling downhill 'if you've ever seen a tractor pull you realize that the rear tires are doing all of the work' Which is why the JD won when it was in 4 wheel and Mahindra wasn't? Haha, I 'Just Saw A Tractor Pull' and I realized, the front tires are important and are doing a big part of the work. As best they can anyway, which isn't when a bunch of extra weight is leveraged off the opposite end of the rig. And like Joe Bucci said up there, it just made the JD look better. It was sliding in grass(who does a pull in grass, guys)? But it was close, even at those disadvantages. So if you own a Mahindra, your upside is there: More weight and more horsepower for the same money means abit more grunt to get the jobs done that are at the edge of what the machine is capable of. If you like your tractor, you bought the right tractor, so good on you. I don't sweat what anyone else bought. Hope you like it. If you own a Deere, the upside is: 1. Much more reliable than the Mahindra 2. Better warranty/parts availability/service than the Mahindra(theres plenty of videos of people paying A LOT to get a Mahindra serviced, and in the first year) 3. Less weight and better tires mean less destroying your yard when you run it over a decent grass yard. 4. Better features and functionality/ease of use/efficient operation for getting the jobs done faster. I test drove 3 comparable machines from Kubota, Mahindra, and Deere. Kubota drive pedal thing was just laughable, I aint doing that crazy motion with my foot to make the thing move. Mahindra just looked like an unfinished tractor, so many knobs and levers sticking out to trip on, things were not buttoned up tight, it was not feature-rich(the Deere was technologically superior)and it was every bit as expensive or more than the Deere, plus I already knew about how they don't back their equipment. Bought the Deere. Have done lots of mass mowing with the RC, uprooted very large trees, hauled the same, dug up a (concrete-like hard) driveway and ditch line, dug out my pond, hauled so much dirt to clean and level my property, all with my 3046R, all in its first year. It's worked HARD, and it's worked GREAT. At this rate, in 4 years when it's paid for, I wont even need a tractor anymore, and then I can sell it for about 75% of what I bought it for, because Deere and Kubota really hold their resale value in ways the Mahindra does not.
I've got a red tractor -- it's always amusing to see the never ending war between green and orange and all of the rabid fans of both going at each other. Kind of like Ford vs Chevy. Maybe that's why I'm a Mopar guy too! I enjoy all of your informative and entertaining videos!
Apart from ballast in the tires or hung at the rear, doesn't this Kubota tractor out-weigh the JD by a few hundred pounds? I think that would give it a traction advantage. I guess that is what you mean by it is "more tractor."
I almost bought the John deer 2 years ago. Waited 2 weeks for an answer on financing. For a joke I applied to Kubota at 4:30pm one day, the dealer called me at 8am the next day telling me to come get my tractor. Still no answer from John deer. Honestly I’m soooo happy with my l3901 and glad I didn’t get the John Deere. Not just tractor but financing too are way better with Kubota
I haven't purchased my tractor yet, but was quite impressed how quickly the dealer got back to me with a quote and a follow up phone call to get some better information to make sure the tractor I had requested the quote on would be the right one. The salesman was awesome, explained to me a couple things I had in the quote I didn't need since I wasn't needing attachments that required those add-ons, and that if those add-ons were needed in the future they could be easily added at that time. The salesman was doing his best to get exactly what I needed to avoid buying stuff that I didn't need...man tractor dealers aren't car salesman or at least the salesman I talked to wasn't, he was completely open and very helpful to be sure I wasn't buying what I didn't need, and pointed out a couple of sales incentives that I would qualify for as well. Definitely will be my dealer for sure, just a matter of getting some stuff on the house finished before I jump into the tractor buying process.
The L model tractor is heavier then the John Deere. The heavy tractor will always win if horse power equal. I have a John Deere 3025E no complaints. There's just something about a John Deere.
Ray Andrews I have one as well. It can handle a 84in grooming mower that weighs 800lbs. Even on steep hills. I put fluid in rear tires and it made a world of difference. It's a great size tractor. If I need something bigger I just get the dozer lol. Both are great machines
What more can the JD do, it's tires are spinning, it ain't like there going backwards.It's showing difference in tread design or air pressure or overall weight or gear ratio.
I would love to see that. I just bought a Kubota l3901. Base price with loader, R4 and fluid was 28k in Aug 2021. I would like to know the price of the John Deere 3039r in that same time. Economy is in a state of high inflation so prices are not going to hold steady for long. I'm not a Kubota funny boy, I just would like to see an honest test. The only reason why I only looked at Kubota is because the dealer was an hour closer and being able to service the machine was more important than anything else.
I'd like to see you guys do some comparisons between the Deere and equivalent New Holland tractors. I know you sell both, but even NH/Kubota competitive comparisons would be helpful.
In my opinion I have never seen a kubota on a farm except a backhoe and I have never seen a Deere on a job site except a 9630 I like Deere in the fields green orange on the sites
Messick Farm Equipment from your website you have 5 dealerships in the Harrisburg, PA area (Elizabethtown, Abbotstown, Halifax, Carlisle, and Aspers). Kioti has dealerships in the same area (Halifax, Loysville, Annville, Shippensburg, Glen Rock, Mifflinburg, and Ephrata).There are actually more Kioti dealerships with that 50 mile radius. So to say they are not a player? What’s funny is I have talked to a handful of Kubota dealers lately as I’m looking to upgrade to a cab model and while not all but most are acting like they don’t even know who Kioti is lol. I can see where some customers might not who they are but you dealers DEFINITELY know who they are. I even had to call Kubota Corporation to ask if it was true that Kubota wouldn’t accept a Kioti as a trade in. Nel’s Tractor in Pine Valley, NY told me Kubota will take any other brand tractor as a trade accept Kioti. The guy at Kubota said that that’s not true, that it’s up to the dealer (so the dealer lied to me). Anyways the guy at Kubota Corporation asked me if I liked the Kioti...... said he’s never really heard of them ...... hahahaha come on you and I both know he has heard of them. Just like they are a player in your area....... you are just trying to down play them....... while Kubota is much larger than Kioti......... Kubota is feeling the threat from them and more and more are switching over to the different Korean companies. I love Kubota (tied with another tractor company as my favorite brand) and I also love your UA-cam channel but when you Kubota dealers act like this its definitely a turn off to the brand. If you believe in the brand you sell then don’t be afraid to compare it to ALL brands because they are all players. I’m in NY and purchased my tractor at a dealership in your area and there are other ppl that shop long distance. Anyways here’s a good fair comparison of a Kubota vs Kioti. ua-cam.com/video/yfrTid1Iqig/v-deo.html
Yea, I'm aware of the brand. I know where one of the local dealers is... but they don't really appear to sell much of anything. 75% of the tractor market is Kubota and Deere, that last 25% is 2000-3000 units\year spread out between 7-8 other tractor companies. We run into these other brands so infrequently that you can't really retain details about their products. Internally, Kubota seems to watch Deere and Mahindra.. and that's it. I've never seen a Kioti competitive sell sheet or competitive unit at a training event. You can call that downplaying if you want... but that's our reality. To be frank, while I've done a few competitive comparisons I'd be very quick to point out that most tractors are more similar than different, and one of the biggest factors in you being happy with your purchase is the dealership your buying from. Owning a tractor is a relationship, not just a product.
Yea, this was the best we could do with what we had. In the future, we'll probably try this on Asphalt with a load cell hooked to the back. We did some video with a load cell in the dirt... but there were some problems with our video footage and we could not use it.
Mark Cooke they're on hardpan & niether one is digging a trench. The deere had quite an advantage with the weight in the box both behind and above the rear axle. As for doing the test on concrete, why ? Are the hills on your property concrete ?
This video really has no meaning. For one, the person who gets the slight jump on the throttle has a good chance of pulling the other tractor. Two, this comes down to weight(which the Kubota has) and psi.
@ Messick Farm Equipment Im here for the knowledge before making my new tractor purchase. One thing I couldn't help but noticed was before the tug contest started I noticed there was already dirt packed in the tread of both tractors. Which makes me believe you did a test run before the video. If Kubota didn't favor would you had posted this video anyway? I have watched more than a few of your video's and you do lean to the Kubota. So to be fair and honest to your viewer's what say you? I along with many other's don't want to be mislead.
Would I have posted if it lost, honestly no. But I knew it was going to win when we set this up. The dirt in the tires was from another test we did, I actually tested the tractors with load cells on their drawbars. It was really good information, but I made a mistake in some of my explanations and the end result looked dishonest. So I didn't post that.
That Kubota has a lot more tread left on the tires. Not to mention it's base weight is higher and ballast in the tires is more effective especially when using 4wd. But you knew that before you made this video.
The Deere really bogged down on the 4wd test. I don't know why they don't put a 3 range hydro on a tractor this size. You should do a BX vs 1 series next.
BS factor involved, sprung weight vs unsprung weight on the Kubota. Kubota might have out pull the JD anyway but do it right next time. Unsprung weight (axle + wheel) all else being equal will win every time
These are the two tractors each company compares to the other. So how's this unfair? JD fans need to ask John Deere why theirs has 500 less pounds of steel in them. I don't own either brand so I'm unbiased.
The reason this is unfair is a ballast box (placed on the JD by messicks) is used to take weight off the front axle to preform loader work. When you pick up a load of gravel with the bucket it adds a significant amount of weight to the front axle. A ballast box takes allot of that weight off the front and on to the rear. Think of a see saw effect. Loaded tires(on the Kubota) do not take weight off the front axle. Loaded tires are more for ground engaging equipment. Just makes the whole tractor heavier. Therefore the front axle has much more weight on it helping the front tires grip and subsequently pulling harder. So yes this is unfair. Why do you think they are setup different? One with ballast box and one with loaded tires. Hmmm maybe to give one an advantage? Yep!
Setup that way because that's how they came to us. Your logic would suggest the Deere should have then had an advantage in 2WD... Since all that weight was on the rear axle???? It did not fare any better. If you know these models, the biggest reason the Kubota wins is because Deere uses a 2-range gear box in many of their small tractors, while the rest of the industry uses 3. They simply can't pull as much as virtually every other Tractor on the market.
No not an advantage. Any time you can get weight more to the center of tractor the better "pull" it will have. While the ballast box does give weight to the rear of the axel of the tractor, it has a rotational effect when starting off. When you fill tires half the weight is below the axel just serving as weight for traction. We can go back and forth till the end of time I'm sure. But think of the reason you would load tires. Stability and traction. Ballast box is for unloading the front axle and stability. YOU KNOW THIS and the fact you said a ballast box gives the JD an advantage in traction immediately shows me either one you set this up purposely wrong or you don't know what a ballast box is for or loaded tires are for.
We shot Part 1 in 3-4 separate segments with a single camera to get all the shots, ultimately we made a mistake when editing them all together. We said we were doing a test in 2WD and ended up using video of the tractor in 4WD where you could see the tires slip. I'd stand by the results as we did the test several times, but we can't have the perception that we did something deceptive or unfair so it was easier just to remove the video.
it not that easy. The price can fluctuate from month to month because of incentive programs. For us these two models are usually priced about the same, but there will be people who found differences in their area one way or the other.
This is bullshit the Kubota is definitely the size above the Deere and don’t try and say it’s not cuz Ik it is u r doing like a lot of non Deere brands do and pick slightly bigger tractors and make Kubota it mahindra look better than Deere
Your right, but we choose these two tractors because Deere and Kubota both point to these models as 'equals'. The Kubota B3350SU is a much more fair fight.
I take all these Messick comparison videos with a grain of salt. Yes, I think Kubota makes a great tractor, but after all, they are a Kubota dealer. They always seem negative against JD for that reason.
It's like comparing apples green ones to oranges both look good both taste good . It must come down to who tells the best lie . I like cats best but you can't beat an old horse .With new tricks . Beside that tricks are for kids .but kids will eat the grass root and all .wait what was we talking about ? O green apples ya it's to early in the year to pick now
Robby Chitwood I've had a slew of these little tractors through the years. I have 2, L245 kabota' s sitting out back in the weeds you can have if you want them. Just don't touch my green tractors.
Well seeing as my dad was a comptroller for a motor jd dealer for 20 years he always stood by jd. Then the ownership changed and the new guy was a jerk so my dad changed companies and now he's been working for a major kubota dealer. He's been there 4 years. We have a jd and a kubota tractor. Jd is good for farming but kubota in my opinion is better. I personally love the kubota interior on the closed cabs and their quietness but jd does have a smoother ride. But if you wanna get into utility vehicles kubotas utility vehicle is better thought with all of them a 3 cylinder diesel engine and a nice ergonomic feel. Not for racing but really good at dirty work. Most gators from jd are standard with a gasoline engine and are more for speed. The kubota has a nice engine break that the gators never had. Most fairs use kubotas now days in the south due to the safety of the engine brake and the fact that we give kubotas out for free if they need them
Kind of worthless... put on slicks and run them on pavement. THEN it might be a competition of pulling power instead of just tires and weight. So long as you see the "loser" spinning their tires, it tells you the only thing you've tested is traction. Nothing more.
Anybody in US have a kubota from the 30s, 40s, 50s?.... of course the kubota wins. This is a kubota dealer. Kubotas are good tractors but so is deere. Deere is americana.
actZR900 - Deere used to be “Americana” but now many of their tractors are made in Pune, India...and all of their engines (excepting very large farm tractors) and made by the Japanese Yanmar company. Nah, I’ll take the 100% Japan tractor instead of the India/Japan/plastic body/aluminum transmission Deere that costs more and gives you less.
It was. The reason it lost is because it's less tractor. Less weight, 2 range rear end instead of a 3 Range rear end. They're considered in the same class, the deere is just less tractor.
If you actually cared it would be very easy to check. It seems like you're just here to support some misguided notion that Deere makes a superior product.
I like the Messicks videos, but did anyone think that a Kubota Dealer would set up a contest against a competitor it couldn’t win?🤔
Not only does the Kubota weigh more, increasing its traction advantage, you hung a ballast box aft of the centerline of the John Deere, which while adding some traction to the rear wheels actually removes traction from the front wheels.
yes thank you
You're an idiot
But on any tractor, the rear wheels do most of the work. If the front wheels added that much, all tractors would be 4wd wheel drive. How many tractors for decades have pulled/plowed you name it, with only 2wd? BTW one of the tests here were in 2wd. The ballast behind the the rear axle is a distinct advantage for better traction vs detriment. Yes rear axle weight does obviously help counter loader work weight. But the fact is as far as rear axle traction, 100 lbs behind the axle can be as effective as 200 lbs centered over the axle. ( just using arbitrary numbers for reference only) It’s the same effect if you try picking up a 16’ 2x4 at the very end vs in the middle to hold it horizontal. The 2x4 weighs the same, the leverage effect is very different. Fun!
@@thedungeon1288 that is counter to all logic
The front wheels do crap.
As entertaining as it is to watch tractors play tug of war, it's also kind of amusing to see grown men argue on the internet over whose tractor is "better". Seems to be a very sensitive topic for some ;)
Religion, politics, and tractors. Never fails
I want more!
Back home, we had a kubota engine, and till now, still working good. That machine is now more than 20 years.
It looked to me like they were dead even. Whichever tractor happened to move first ended up maintaining forward motion. I know it is nit picking but doing a test like this is very tricky. There is no way to ensure that the ground offered similar tractor to both tractors. You could see the Deere was still on grass while the Kubota was digging into dirt. Had you swapped the tractors around each time it probably would have helped. Once you have wheel spin it is no longer about tractor horsepower or transmissions, it is purely a weight/traction issue. In the end unless you have prepped soil like at a tractor pull the only way to have an even pull is on dry clean pavement.
+Krazy K this is true, but they are compared. If you walk into a Deere dealership and ask to see what compared to an L3301 this is what you get.
I agree. Also if you look the land looks pitched down on the Kubota side giving it a unfair advantage.
And the soil will have a affect on traction the Deere was on loose soil but the Kubota was on hard packed ground
Box on back does nothing for front tires, typical Neil video pointless. This comparison makes sense to people who never run tractors
The only down fall to a test like this is traction. It's just a game of traction not power
Good point
Honestly, both the John Deere and the Kubota are good solid machines that will work day in and day out. One may have a slight advantage over the other, but at the end of the day, both will meet or exceed your expectations.
Well said!
Dont buy it if it doesn't meet your standard. Unless your TTWT
gun squad 36 lol
As long as it is not a Cheap Kioti or Mahindra
The only thing that matters here is rather or not you like orange or green and yellow ,
pick your tractor and have fun !!
I have used a Kabota and it works great ,
I own a John Deere 3032E and I love it !
I want to see more tug of war... but to be perfectly fair it should be done at a specific price. Bring your best $30,000 tractor. Base price out the door with loader, tires and ballast.
I swear you just can’t find genuine comparisons it’s always either a salesman of one company or the other. Drives me up the wall!
David M watch tractor time with Tim. He’s doing one now
If you look at the angle of the chain, it appears to be lower on the JD end. That would mean it is pulling downward, and by default, adding traction to the Kubota. From the reverse point of view, the Kubota is lifting the the Deere's rear wheels enough to lose traction. Maybe I have it wrong but that is what makes sense to me. I think the chain must be parallel to the ground to make it equal footing. Not sure there is any real way to say one tractor out-pulls the other.
I feel like Messick are very Kubota biased
xd Clears no shit they sell Kubota
The Kubota’s are generally better built tractors. John Deere is a expensive tractor with similar features but they are so cheaply made
That 30** series Deere has an aluminum rear on it if you're lucky; potmetal if you're not.
Kubota builds the Kubota, could be anyone building the Deere.
xd Clears they are
Having the Deere ballast out and away from the tractor does give it a significant down pressure on rear tires but it also takes weight off of the front axle. A rear ballast box is used for loader work. Loading rear tires helps in ground engaging equipment. Anytime you can get the weight closer to the center of gravity of the tractor, the better it will pull. I have a John Deere and I probably wouldn't buy an e series. Just wanted to point out that this is not even.
Fair enough. And I must say I've always perceived Kubota as a superior product. John Deere really hurt perception amongst casuals when they started selling thru Home Depot.
Not a fair match really... ballast box in no way compares to having loaded tires in a tug of war. There's a difference in weight being behind the tractor, rather than the weight being in the tires on the ground for traction... you just took weight off the front wheels of the JD didn't ya.
Well, then wouldn't that make Kabota a better designed tractor?
@@booifojoe nah, hate the foot pedals
@@booifojoe You can fill any rear tires the way that kubota was filled. That is nothing that is brand specific.
The ballast box is a distinct advantage as it provides weight leverage behind the rear axle. Ballast in tires provides a traction increase yes but is good for stability as well.
GOOD JOB NEIL glad to see you point a tractor co delibertely,john deere is always picking on kubota...
i saw part 1 yesterday and was waiting for the real tug of war!
No matter what you can't beat the resale value of a John Deere
MartenFarms nobody is buying tractors because of their resale value. They're buying them to make money while they own them and if they happen to make a few bucks on the backside it's a bonus.
Can't argue with that. It's the mindset of tractor buyers. Sorta like people think Angus beef is better than anything else simply because the Angus Assoc. has done an excellent job at marketing their breed, same with Deere.
@@ROTAXD They buy for Both, and the CUT market has equipment that is 60% kept inside.
@@sanfordyoder4666 beats deere on resale?/ nah.....
You say there is stuff in the box but you cant show show me that there is really stuff in the box
I don't own a tractor and checked this video out due to curiosity. Kabota wins a tug-o-war against the this particular model of JD. That's it. Period. Quit crying about whether it was fair or not. The fair comes once a year - get over it.
relax a lil buddy
Automatic Slim look u said u don’t own a tractor so don’t tell the people that work with them all day to shut up we know wut we are talking about and the Kubota had a unfair advantage
@@bigg7882 Then wipe your eyes and buy a John Deere.
@@bigg7882There seems to be a lot of people with as much experience as you on this site that disagree with you. If "Ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas.
Automatic Slim dude I was telling u to stay out of this cuz u don’t know what ur talking about when he compared the two he was in favor of the Kubota some things are better on the Kubota but a lot are better on the Deere
I believe the stock Bota weighs about 800lbs more than the JD, which makes a big difference in traction.
+sideskraft 400, yes. Point though, tractors in the same class, same price point, etc.
weight can either work for or against you it depends on your application really, doing loader work and lots of ground engaging work you want a lot of extra weight, if you're just mowing with it and don't want to mess up your turf a smaller machine with less weight will do the trick
the more of these videos I watch just convinces me more and more that Kubota is THE brand to own/work. Keep up the videos, I look fwd to each and every one. Thank You for all the efforts.
can you do a similar comparison of the 30 hp new holland??
I own a Kubota but have to admit, tug of war battles, whether they are b/t two tractors or two trucks do not reveal anything because the tests are bogus. The vehicle that starts pulling a millisecond faster always wins because momentum is almost impossible to stop. Once one vehicle gets going, they always win.
The weight box is above the towing chain as in the fluid in the kubota is partially below the chain so the weight is a lot more effective in the kubota
Zach Wales I was thinking the same thing. A fair comparison is to have both machines with loaded tires
The height of the weight has nothing to do with its effectiveness. The fact that the ballast box is a few feet behind the JD's axle gives the JD an advantage if the weights inside the tires and inside the ballast box were equal. It's like the weight on the JD is on a 3 foot lever amplifying its downward force on the rear axle. To prove this explanation hold a gallon of milk with your bare hand, no problem right? Now hang the milk 3 feet out on a broomstick and see how heavy it feels. The lever amplifies the weight. Now too much weight in the ballast box could lift the front wheels of the JD off the ground but if you've ever seen a tractor pull you realize that the rear tires are doing all of the work with that much weight since you've now added all of the weight of the front of the tractor to the rear tires too.
'The height of the weight has nothing to do with its effectiveness.'
It really, really does, and for exactly this sort of contest.
Lower center of gravity, go ahead and look that up.
You probably didn't look it up, so, but it means the front tires aren't getting much grip(that leverage you talked about causes this too, which is ironic, huh?), and its about 1 of 5 things that gave the Mahindra an advantage in this video:
1. More weight
2. More aggressive tires(more traction, but also means more yard damage).
3. more horsepower
4. pulling downhill
'if you've ever seen a tractor pull you realize that the rear tires are doing all of the work'
Which is why the JD won when it was in 4 wheel and Mahindra wasn't?
Haha, I 'Just Saw A Tractor Pull' and I realized, the front tires are important and are doing a big part of the work. As best they can anyway, which isn't when a bunch of extra weight is leveraged off the opposite end of the rig.
And like Joe Bucci said up there, it just made the JD look better. It was sliding in grass(who does a pull in grass, guys)? But it was close, even at those disadvantages.
So if you own a Mahindra, your upside is there: More weight and more horsepower for the same money means abit more grunt to get the jobs done that are at the edge of what the machine is capable of. If you like your tractor, you bought the right tractor, so good on you. I don't sweat what anyone else bought. Hope you like it.
If you own a Deere, the upside is: 1. Much more reliable than the Mahindra 2. Better warranty/parts availability/service than the Mahindra(theres plenty of videos of people paying A LOT to get a Mahindra serviced, and in the first year) 3. Less weight and better tires mean less destroying your yard when you run it over a decent grass yard. 4. Better features and functionality/ease of use/efficient operation for getting the jobs done faster.
I test drove 3 comparable machines from Kubota, Mahindra, and Deere.
Kubota drive pedal thing was just laughable, I aint doing that crazy motion with my foot to make the thing move.
Mahindra just looked like an unfinished tractor, so many knobs and levers sticking out to trip on, things were not buttoned up tight, it was not feature-rich(the Deere was technologically superior)and it was every bit as expensive or more than the Deere, plus I already knew about how they don't back their equipment.
Bought the Deere. Have done lots of mass mowing with the RC, uprooted very large trees, hauled the same, dug up a (concrete-like hard) driveway and ditch line, dug out my pond, hauled so much dirt to clean and level my property, all with my 3046R, all in its first year. It's worked HARD, and it's worked GREAT.
At this rate, in 4 years when it's paid for, I wont even need a tractor anymore, and then I can sell it for about 75% of what I bought it for, because Deere and Kubota really hold their resale value in ways the Mahindra does not.
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I can tell you from running tractor's on an almost daily basis the weight in the tires is way more of an advantage than the ballast box.
I've got a red tractor -- it's always amusing to see the never ending war between green and orange and all of the rabid fans of both going at each other. Kind of like Ford vs Chevy. Maybe that's why I'm a Mopar guy too! I enjoy all of your informative and entertaining videos!
Witchcraft !!!
I want more tug of war videos!
😁
Seems to me it’s all about tractor weight and tire tread.
Apart from ballast in the tires or hung at the rear, doesn't this Kubota tractor out-weigh the JD by a few hundred pounds? I think that would give it a traction advantage. I guess that is what you mean by it is "more tractor."
I almost bought the John deer 2 years ago. Waited 2 weeks for an answer on financing. For a joke I applied to Kubota at 4:30pm one day, the dealer called me at 8am the next day telling me to come get my tractor. Still no answer from John deer. Honestly I’m soooo happy with my l3901 and glad I didn’t get the John Deere. Not just tractor but financing too are way better with Kubota
I haven't purchased my tractor yet, but was quite impressed how quickly the dealer got back to me with a quote and a follow up phone call to get some better information to make sure the tractor I had requested the quote on would be the right one. The salesman was awesome, explained to me a couple things I had in the quote I didn't need since I wasn't needing attachments that required those add-ons, and that if those add-ons were needed in the future they could be easily added at that time. The salesman was doing his best to get exactly what I needed to avoid buying stuff that I didn't need...man tractor dealers aren't car salesman or at least the salesman I talked to wasn't, he was completely open and very helpful to be sure I wasn't buying what I didn't need, and pointed out a couple of sales incentives that I would qualify for as well. Definitely will be my dealer for sure, just a matter of getting some stuff on the house finished before I jump into the tractor buying process.
The L model tractor is heavier then the John Deere. The heavy tractor will always win if horse power equal. I have a John Deere 3025E no complaints. There's just something about a John Deere.
Ray Andrews I have one as well. It can handle a 84in grooming mower that weighs 800lbs. Even on steep hills. I put fluid in rear tires and it made a world of difference. It's a great size tractor. If I need something bigger I just get the dozer lol. Both are great machines
Def not Apples to apples. Kubota has more power and considerably more weight. 2175 base Deere vs 2557 for the Kubota.
The test variables are not exactly fair, John Deere faces uphill, and the driving style of the drivers does change the test also!
What more can the JD do, it's tires are spinning, it ain't like there going backwards.It's showing difference in tread design or air pressure or overall weight or gear ratio.
Looks to me that the kubota is pulling down hill!
Did you really expect did you really because I don’t think you did because I’m sure that wasn’t part of the script
Diesel King dang I was hoping someone would bring it up
Try the Kubota L3901 against a 3039R
I would love to see that. I just bought a Kubota l3901. Base price with loader, R4 and fluid was 28k in Aug 2021. I would like to know the price of the John Deere 3039r in that same time. Economy is in a state of high inflation so prices are not going to hold steady for long.
I'm not a Kubota funny boy, I just would like to see an honest test. The only reason why I only looked at Kubota is because the dealer was an hour closer and being able to service the machine was more important than anything else.
Tug of wars are the best
The Deere has way less tread on the tires less power and weight. So what did you expect
Ryan McFarland Yep. You can tell by the hood it was not a newer Deere
Tractor has less than 30 hours on it. Its their economy series, if you check their website you'll notice two-years later its still a current model.
I'd like to see you guys do some comparisons between the Deere and equivalent New Holland tractors. I know you sell both, but even NH/Kubota competitive comparisons would be helpful.
In my opinion I have never seen a kubota on a farm except a backhoe and I have never seen a Deere on a job site except a 9630 I like Deere in the fields green orange on the sites
Looked like a pritty close comparison to me the jd wine one the kabota won two. And the tires sliding on the grass is what got both
Wonder why John Deere puts no weight in there tires maybe so when you have to do a tire change the wheel the wheel won’t fall on you
You need to start comparing the Kubota against the Kioti.
Kioti is not a player in our area at all. I can't tell you the last time I even saw one.
Messick Farm Equipment from your website you have 5 dealerships in the Harrisburg, PA area (Elizabethtown, Abbotstown, Halifax, Carlisle, and Aspers). Kioti has dealerships in the same area (Halifax, Loysville, Annville, Shippensburg, Glen Rock, Mifflinburg, and Ephrata).There are actually more Kioti dealerships with that 50 mile radius. So to say they are not a player? What’s funny is I have talked to a handful of Kubota dealers lately as I’m looking to upgrade to a cab model and while not all but most are acting like they don’t even know who Kioti is lol. I can see where some customers might not who they are but you dealers DEFINITELY know who they are. I even had to call Kubota Corporation to ask if it was true that Kubota wouldn’t accept a Kioti as a trade in. Nel’s Tractor in Pine Valley, NY told me Kubota will take any other brand tractor as a trade accept Kioti. The guy at Kubota said that that’s not true, that it’s up to the dealer (so the dealer lied to me). Anyways the guy at Kubota Corporation asked me if I liked the Kioti...... said he’s never really heard of them ...... hahahaha come on you and I both know he has heard of them. Just like they are a player in your area....... you are just trying to down play them....... while Kubota is much larger than Kioti......... Kubota is feeling the threat from them and more and more are switching over to the different Korean companies. I love Kubota (tied with another tractor company as my favorite brand) and I also love your UA-cam channel but when you Kubota dealers act like this its definitely a turn off to the brand.
If you believe in the brand you sell then don’t be afraid to compare it to ALL brands because they are all players. I’m in NY and purchased my tractor at a dealership in your area and there are other ppl that shop long distance.
Anyways here’s a good fair comparison of a Kubota vs Kioti.
ua-cam.com/video/yfrTid1Iqig/v-deo.html
Yea, I'm aware of the brand. I know where one of the local dealers is... but they don't really appear to sell much of anything. 75% of the tractor market is Kubota and Deere, that last 25% is 2000-3000 units\year spread out between 7-8 other tractor companies. We run into these other brands so infrequently that you can't really retain details about their products. Internally, Kubota seems to watch Deere and Mahindra.. and that's it. I've never seen a Kioti competitive sell sheet or competitive unit at a training event. You can call that downplaying if you want... but that's our reality.
To be frank, while I've done a few competitive comparisons I'd be very quick to point out that most tractors are more similar than different, and one of the biggest factors in you being happy with your purchase is the dealership your buying from. Owning a tractor is a relationship, not just a product.
Jason A ha kioti is Korean Peace of shit😂 so I guess it would be a good comparison to a Kubota🤣
Easy to see that the tread on the tires have more traction on the Kubota. Why can't these companies post a true comparison?
+Mark Cooke both are brand new Tractors. What would you do differently?
Loose the balance on the back of the JD and fill the tires the same as the KB, set the tug up on concrete surface and post that.
Lose
Yea, this was the best we could do with what we had. In the future, we'll probably try this on Asphalt with a load cell hooked to the back. We did some video with a load cell in the dirt... but there were some problems with our video footage and we could not use it.
Mark Cooke they're on hardpan & niether one is digging a trench. The deere had quite an advantage with the weight in the box both behind and above the rear axle. As for doing the test on concrete, why ? Are the hills on your property concrete ?
can we see 3033R vs L3301??
This video really has no meaning. For one, the person who gets the slight jump on the throttle has a good chance of pulling the other tractor. Two, this comes down to weight(which the Kubota has) and psi.
Ballast INSIDE the tire is ALWAYS the best for pulling..
Kubota was pulling down hill
@ Messick Farm Equipment
Im here for the knowledge before making my new tractor purchase. One thing I couldn't help but noticed was before the tug contest started I noticed there was already dirt packed in the tread of both tractors. Which makes me believe you did a test run before the video. If Kubota didn't favor would you had posted this video anyway? I have watched more than a few of your video's and you do lean to the Kubota. So to be fair and honest to your viewer's what say you? I along with many other's don't want to be mislead.
Would I have posted if it lost, honestly no. But I knew it was going to win when we set this up. The dirt in the tires was from another test we did, I actually tested the tractors with load cells on their drawbars. It was really good information, but I made a mistake in some of my explanations and the end result looked dishonest. So I didn't post that.
That Kubota has a lot more tread left on the tires. Not to mention it's base weight is higher and ballast in the tires is more effective especially when using 4wd. But you knew that before you made this video.
Both have brand new tires. We did know the kubota would win... but this is what Deere claims to be equivalent.
I am not the only one who commented on the difference in tread depth. I will believe my eyes over a salesman.
The Kubota has a lot bigger knobs on the tires
The reason the Kubota won is because it is a heavier tractor therefore this really isn't a good comparison.
Deere claims these are in the same class. That's why we choose these models.
just pick your favorite color and your good...
The Deere really bogged down on the 4wd test. I don't know why they don't put a 3 range hydro on a tractor this size. You should do a BX vs 1 series next.
John Deere 1 series VS. Kubota BX series coming Monday!
the reason JD doesnt is for 1, need, and 2 cost. The un named hero here is Torque, and JD has it.
The only I'm not happy with my kubota is the reverse pedal :(
BS factor involved, sprung weight vs unsprung weight on the Kubota. Kubota might have out pull the JD anyway but do it right next time. Unsprung weight (axle + wheel) all else being equal will win every time
What’s always on the bucket of the Deere in every video
These are demo tractors. The bars are used to hold in dummy loads during testing.
With mahindra also..
I want my 2 mins and 51 seconds back.
These are the two tractors each company compares to the other. So how's this unfair? JD fans need to ask John Deere why theirs has 500 less pounds of steel in them. I don't own either brand so I'm unbiased.
The reason this is unfair is a ballast box (placed on the JD by messicks) is used to take weight off the front axle to preform loader work. When you pick up a load of gravel with the bucket it adds a significant amount of weight to the front axle. A ballast box takes allot of that weight off the front and on to the rear. Think of a see saw effect.
Loaded tires(on the Kubota) do not take weight off the front axle. Loaded tires are more for ground engaging equipment. Just makes the whole tractor heavier. Therefore the front axle has much more weight on it helping the front tires grip and subsequently pulling harder. So yes this is unfair.
Why do you think they are setup different? One with ballast box and one with loaded tires. Hmmm maybe to give one an advantage? Yep!
Setup that way because that's how they came to us. Your logic would suggest the Deere should have then had an advantage in 2WD... Since all that weight was on the rear axle???? It did not fare any better. If you know these models, the biggest reason the Kubota wins is because Deere uses a 2-range gear box in many of their small tractors, while the rest of the industry uses 3. They simply can't pull as much as virtually every other Tractor on the market.
No not an advantage. Any time you can get weight more to the center of tractor the better "pull" it will have. While the ballast box does give weight to the rear of the axel of the tractor, it has a rotational effect when starting off. When you fill tires half the weight is below the axel just serving as weight for traction.
We can go back and forth till the end of time I'm sure. But think of the reason you would load tires. Stability and traction. Ballast box is for unloading the front axle and stability. YOU KNOW THIS and the fact you said a ballast box gives the JD an advantage in traction immediately shows me either one you set this up purposely wrong or you don't know what a ballast box is for or loaded tires are for.
We can agree to disagree on that one 😀. The next one we trade I'm going to hook up to a load cell and pull on asphalt.
Agree to disagree! Load cell- Now that would be informative. Looking forward to seeing that video!
Face it people John Deere has become a pile of garbage, like General Motors. Long live kubota
You can have both of my L245's they are parked out in the weeds, my JD 855 will stay with me.
.. the Kubota was made in the late 70's.. the Deere the late 90's... ? I'd do the same :-)
Messick's he means that he thinks jd is better
What happened to part 1?
We shot Part 1 in 3-4 separate segments with a single camera to get all the shots, ultimately we made a mistake when editing them all together. We said we were doing a test in 2WD and ended up using video of the tractor in 4WD where you could see the tires slip. I'd stand by the results as we did the test several times, but we can't have the perception that we did something deceptive or unfair so it was easier just to remove the video.
Messick Farm Equipment I think you made the right decision! (0: This new video still proves the point. The Kubota just walks off with the Deere!
this is a very interesting test!
There is no weight in that box
These comparisons are cool but PRICE MATTERS. Tell us the price. You can buy a bigger John Deere if the price is different.
it not that easy. The price can fluctuate from month to month because of incentive programs. For us these two models are usually priced about the same, but there will be people who found differences in their area one way or the other.
This is bullshit the Kubota is definitely the size above the Deere and don’t try and say it’s not cuz Ik it is u r doing like a lot of non Deere brands do and pick slightly bigger tractors and make Kubota it mahindra look better than Deere
Pull for pink slips!
Yeah maybe, but i'll keep my 790 thanx.
Which one has a higher resale value
Both do quite well
Which one is the best
Both do quite well = About the same.
I love kubota and JD. This tug of war really proves nothing at all. Its silly
My kubota is the corvette of tractors, it's my sweet ride. Best tractor ever made.
"tug of war tests are bogus" its ALL thr driver. dosent matter car truck or tractor, or bicycle
The bottom line is that whoever is doing the comparison, the equipment setup is never the same thus it is not a true comparison test.
Funny how the John Deere weighs anywhere from 400-600 pounds less, EVEN with the weight bucket on the back. Come on now guys
Your right, but we choose these two tractors because Deere and Kubota both point to these models as 'equals'. The Kubota B3350SU is a much more fair fight.
I take all these Messick comparison videos with a grain of salt. Yes, I think Kubota makes a great tractor, but after all, they are a Kubota dealer. They always seem negative against JD for that reason.
+TractorMonkey with JL that's right, but we do go out of our way to not stretch the truth like many comparison videos do.
And I do appreciate that, and Messick's seems like a great dealership from what I've heard.
This proves nothing... put something on the back and then compare the two off them...
Do it on pavement. Now that would be cool
ok onway calcium in the tires
I'm a girl and I have come out of the field limping on the John Deere tractors. They aren't built tough enough for me.
Kubota also having a much more aggressive tread. lol
+Gregory Scott both are the respective R4 option
that's great, but irrelevant. Both are the factory R4 tire option. If you buy one, this is how they perform.
It's like comparing apples green ones to oranges both look good both taste good . It must come down to who tells the best lie . I like cats best but you can't beat an old horse .With new tricks . Beside that tricks are for kids .but kids will eat the grass root and all .wait what was we talking about ? O green apples ya it's to early in the year to pick now
ua-cam.com/video/9z7I2u7Fup4/v-deo.html
John deere fan boys are adorable.
The John Deere was on slick grass and the Kubota was on patchy packed dirt
Yup
You have 500 lbs in each tire on Kubota easily.
JD fans getting their feelings hurt lol
Robby Chitwood you must live under a rock
Tom Reed must have gotten his feelings hurt haha
JD green. Looks like something you find in a diaper lol.
matt Alford Lol! Good one! I always said only crops are green, tractors are supposed to be red!
Robby Chitwood I've had a slew of these little tractors through the years. I have 2, L245 kabota' s sitting out back in the weeds you can have if you want them. Just don't touch my green tractors.
Well seeing as my dad was a comptroller for a motor jd dealer for 20 years he always stood by jd. Then the ownership changed and the new guy was a jerk so my dad changed companies and now he's been working for a major kubota dealer. He's been there 4 years. We have a jd and a kubota tractor. Jd is good for farming but kubota in my opinion is better. I personally love the kubota interior on the closed cabs and their quietness but jd does have a smoother ride. But if you wanna get into utility vehicles kubotas utility vehicle is better thought with all of them a 3 cylinder diesel engine and a nice ergonomic feel. Not for racing but really good at dirty work. Most gators from jd are standard with a gasoline engine and are more for speed. The kubota has a nice engine break that the gators never had. Most fairs use kubotas now days in the south due to the safety of the engine brake and the fact that we give kubotas out for free if they need them
This is rigged
My 1970 massey 36hp will drag both of them around.
and it weighs twice as much..lol
Kind of worthless... put on slicks and run them on pavement. THEN it might be a competition of pulling power instead of just tires and weight. So long as you see the "loser" spinning their tires, it tells you the only thing you've tested is traction. Nothing more.
Anybody in US have a kubota from the 30s, 40s, 50s?.... of course the kubota wins. This is a kubota dealer. Kubotas are good tractors but so is deere. Deere is americana.
actZR900 - Deere used to be “Americana” but now many of their tractors are made in Pune, India...and all of their engines (excepting very large farm tractors) and made by the Japanese Yanmar company. Nah, I’ll take the 100% Japan tractor instead of the India/Japan/plastic body/aluminum transmission Deere that costs more and gives you less.
I call b******* on this I've been a mechanic for years put water in the John Deere tires and try that s***
GreenBoy at GA Farms yes that’s wut I thought I guarantee that they filled the kubotas tires
He put the weight on the back to put more strain on the machine wow cheap.
you didnt even have the jd full throtle not fair
It was. The reason it lost is because it's less tractor. Less weight, 2 range rear end instead of a 3 Range rear end. They're considered in the same class, the deere is just less tractor.
did you even match up the hp
Within 1 HP.
yea right
If you actually cared it would be very easy to check. It seems like you're just here to support some misguided notion that Deere makes a superior product.
The guy on the jd is holding the brakes.
Kubota has agg tires John Deere has landscape tires
No the John Deere has less power not fair test
both tractors are 32 Hp and change. The Kubota is a touch heavier tractor, but this is about as apples to apples as you can get.
The John Deere would of won its heavier and has a bigger engine
That is fake john deere would have won