Beautiful reflection. I've come to see that whereas God-the-Creator is a mythos, Christ is a disclosure. Disclosure is the personalization of the world. Paleolithic peoples (and some existing animist tribes) lived in a personalized world. Christ is not so much of a religious innovation, but a re-membering of the cosmos as incarnate, as carnal ("God didn't become man, he became flesh" ~ Ivan Illich
If we don't take up spiritual science as objective truth we will bring forward the war of all against all. Everyone having their own opinion of religion. Do these people beside yourself discuss anthroposophy? I'm not sure how it wouldn't come up all the time. . Would love to understand why these people sort of avoid steiner. Is it too intense/difficult? You would probably know better but I'm curious.
God is not remade by the universe. Rather, because the universe is made with a Godly aspect, it can remake itself, reflecting God in every one of them. But I guess this reflection could also be considered a kind of remake. I dont know😅
Interesting talk but fundamentally misguided re: Christianity. The Truth (Jesus Christ, a singular man and THE son of God), came down in the flesh. He is not a "cosmic" figure who can be abstracted away and whose title (the Christ, or anointed one) can be placed on the Buddha, e.g. He is unique, the only son of God. Christianity has no need to be pluralistic, or to engage in circular debates meant to "learn more" without ceasing. The Bible is a closed document, tradition has been passed down through the Church, and it is up to the individual to accept it or deny it. Any attempt to water down the very specific role of Jesus Christ, the Church, the Bible, etc. only leads farther from the common sense meaning of the Bible and tradition. The problem of evil has been addressed numerous times throughout the history of philosophy, and the Bible proves God's omnipotence (God created all things, e.g.). These things are clear, laid out in a plain language manner and can be understood by "babes." The wisdom of the world is not God's wisdom. Endless mental gymnastics about how the truths of Christianity must be watered down and dispersed through socially-determined meaning only serve to delude people and waste time.
Respectfully disagree, and I especially reject the idea that "the Bible proves God's omnipotence." There is no Biblical basis for omnipotence. Thomas Oord's book "The Death of Omnipotence and the Birth of Amipotence" lays that one to rest. But even if there were a Biblical basis for it, the idea of God as the great powerful Caesar is as idolatrous as it gets and quite far from Jesus Christ's teachings and example.
@@Footnotes2Plato Do you believe that God's creation of all things is a sign of limited omnipotence? I would argue that by necessity, the act of creating ALL things implies a power over all things, in part because as the determiner of each entity's lifespan, God has power over both life and death of all things. God is love, this is definitely established in the Bible. However, God is also a judge of good and evil. He punishes evil because He hates it. He is the Father, and a father rewards good and punishes bad to bring His children back to Him, whether they are being good or naughty. God the Father in fact allowed and consented to His only Son to be tortured and crucified for sinners (i.e. people doing naughty and bad things like you and I). Idolatry is seeking to limit God's qualities, and a reading of the Bible and tradition clearly establish God's judgment. In fact, at the end of time, God will judge all people. Christ shows God's love in that God saves those who follow Him. But those who reject Christ are going to be judged and found wanting, because we are all sinners. Thanks for your response amigo. Appreciate it and have a great day.
@@JoshuaBabyman I come at these theological questions from a process or open and relational perspective. Genesis can be read as the story of a work of cooperative co-creation. The Hebrew word for God in Genesis is "Elohim," which is plural. The "tehom" or deep was there already before the Elohim said anything. So was Sophia (as we are told in Proverbs). So, the Logos, Sophia, and fertile void engage in cosmogenesis together. A wonderful book on this subject that goes into the original Hebrew is Catherine Keller's "Face of the Deep."
Thanks Matt!!!
Beautiful reflection. I've come to see that whereas God-the-Creator is a mythos, Christ is a disclosure. Disclosure is the personalization of the world. Paleolithic peoples (and some existing animist tribes) lived in a personalized world. Christ is not so much of a religious innovation, but a re-membering of the cosmos as incarnate, as carnal ("God didn't become man, he became flesh" ~ Ivan Illich
Engaging reflections, thank you
If we don't take up spiritual science as objective truth we will bring forward the war of all against all. Everyone having their own opinion of religion. Do these people beside yourself discuss anthroposophy? I'm not sure how it wouldn't come up all the time. . Would love to understand why these people sort of avoid steiner. Is it too intense/difficult? You would probably know better but I'm curious.
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God is not remade by the universe. Rather, because the universe is made with a Godly aspect, it can remake itself, reflecting God in every one of them. But I guess this reflection could also be considered a kind of remake. I dont know😅
Interesting talk but fundamentally misguided re: Christianity. The Truth (Jesus Christ, a singular man and THE son of God), came down in the flesh. He is not a "cosmic" figure who can be abstracted away and whose title (the Christ, or anointed one) can be placed on the Buddha, e.g. He is unique, the only son of God.
Christianity has no need to be pluralistic, or to engage in circular debates meant to "learn more" without ceasing. The Bible is a closed document, tradition has been passed down through the Church, and it is up to the individual to accept it or deny it. Any attempt to water down the very specific role of Jesus Christ, the Church, the Bible, etc. only leads farther from the common sense meaning of the Bible and tradition.
The problem of evil has been addressed numerous times throughout the history of philosophy, and the Bible proves God's omnipotence (God created all things, e.g.). These things are clear, laid out in a plain language manner and can be understood by "babes." The wisdom of the world is not God's wisdom. Endless mental gymnastics about how the truths of Christianity must be watered down and dispersed through socially-determined meaning only serve to delude people and waste time.
Respectfully disagree, and I especially reject the idea that "the Bible proves God's omnipotence." There is no Biblical basis for omnipotence. Thomas Oord's book "The Death of Omnipotence and the Birth of Amipotence" lays that one to rest. But even if there were a Biblical basis for it, the idea of God as the great powerful Caesar is as idolatrous as it gets and quite far from Jesus Christ's teachings and example.
@@Footnotes2Plato Do you believe that God's creation of all things is a sign of limited omnipotence? I would argue that by necessity, the act of creating ALL things implies a power over all things, in part because as the determiner of each entity's lifespan, God has power over both life and death of all things.
God is love, this is definitely established in the Bible. However, God is also a judge of good and evil. He punishes evil because He hates it. He is the Father, and a father rewards good and punishes bad to bring His children back to Him, whether they are being good or naughty.
God the Father in fact allowed and consented to His only Son to be tortured and crucified for sinners (i.e. people doing naughty and bad things like you and I). Idolatry is seeking to limit God's qualities, and a reading of the Bible and tradition clearly establish God's judgment. In fact, at the end of time, God will judge all people. Christ shows God's love in that God saves those who follow Him. But those who reject Christ are going to be judged and found wanting, because we are all sinners.
Thanks for your response amigo. Appreciate it and have a great day.
@@JoshuaBabyman I come at these theological questions from a process or open and relational perspective. Genesis can be read as the story of a work of cooperative co-creation. The Hebrew word for God in Genesis is "Elohim," which is plural. The "tehom" or deep was there already before the Elohim said anything. So was Sophia (as we are told in Proverbs). So, the Logos, Sophia, and fertile void engage in cosmogenesis together. A wonderful book on this subject that goes into the original Hebrew is Catherine Keller's "Face of the Deep."
@@Footnotes2Plato Interesting, and I hadn't heard of the tehom before.
@@JoshuaBabyman tehom is just the Hebrew word for “deep” or “abyss”