Wow, Daniel, that last 6 minutes was a tour de force! I've often said to people who are talking about the importance of love that I thought friendship was the most fundamental thing about being human and the thing that matters most. Thanks for providing the necessary poetry/philosophy for a fuller expression of that experiential reality!
Always enjoy watching your channel Matt. I’m especially pleased to see this discussion on Barfield. I have spent quite a bit of time with George MacDonald and his works such as Phantastes and Lilith, but especially his essays on the Imagination. Have you read the essays? I think you would find them very illuminating in regards to Barfield and Tolkien and Lewis.
I happened upon this video chat and clicked on it because of Owen Barfield being mentioned. 30 years ago I read, History in English Words and although I likely didn't understand much of it (like you guys would) I knew there was a world I wanted to understand or merely stand in. Maybe I just wanted to be or feel smart or maybe it was that I wanted to fathom the depths of language and ideas. Regardless, I'm sparked to hear more and so I offer thanks for what each of you bring to this conversation. Sincerely, the beggar at a feast.
Wow that clip of Owen Barfield speaking was amazing I’ve never heard audio of him. I recently read saving the appearances and it was one of my favorite things I’ve ever read, I just starting reading poetic diction yesterday. It deeply bothers me how few people know of him. thanks for the video love your channel!
“No more need to over identify with blood based bonds” 1:19:05 , the family, I’m many cases, the most under acknowledged cults. Almost all emotional and psychological healing is that of our family of origin… I’m glad this was pointed to.
Really enjoyed this conversation, and definitely warrants multiple listens. It seem that even after you have a felt sense of Barfield's importance there is something about him that remains elusive to translation in terms that my modern-influenced consciousness can reliably parse and relate to others. Is the recording of the Barfield lecture that you mention at the beginning available anywhere online? Thanks very much for sharing and hope you all pick up this three way conversation again in the future.
Jonathon Pageau’s ongoing podcasts,”The symbolic world”delves into evolution of consciousness territory,though I have not,as yet heard mention of Owen Barfield.
Excellent conversation! As yo guys talk about imagination and how it develops out of “seeing more”, like the more you know about something the more your imagination is opened, brings to mind my own experience of my journey to becoming a potter as a vocation. I was 21 and attending junior college on the GI Bill. Early 70’s. A spiritual renaissance in many ways; Transcendental Meditation, Alan Watts, Suzuki, Tim Leary, Ram Das etc., all grabbed my attention as I searched for meaning and Truth. Then I discovered Ceramics. The more I practiced and learned, the more my imagination naturally flowed. What if I did this shape, color etc.? The muse showed up, wow, where did that idea come from? Empowering feelings. To try & make a long story short, I feel that education should be more experiential; arts and crafts, making things, acting, singing, storytelling, growing food as science etc for several years on end. One naturally becomes more proficient at the craft, building self-esteem, insight and imagination. Creativity. Exemplars are fantastic if you’re lucky to be around one. Nature can be one. Wonder is the beginning of Wisdom. I like Daniel’s vision of these Zoom sessions being exemplars too. Tech used for good. Works for my 75 year old self! Thanks very much!
Funny enough, I'm at 33:39, and it sounds a lot like a concept I have been working on myself to describe the logic and fundamental nature of objective morality. The collective consciousness, like I think we have gotten so far in science that the very basis of our understanding has been totally lost in a delusion of materialism. But to be quick about it, everything we think, say, and share is based on a collective shared experience to which without nothing would be possible. Literally every word we use only exists with the collective or to be engaged with by the collective consciousness of humanity or else it is forgotten and completely useless. It gets even more interesting once you consider that "The truth" itself can become like an external evolutionary form of development like tools are to crows or chimps. Also language itself is proof of the existence of the human collective consciousness... Because what even is this?!
Wow, Daniel, that last 6 minutes was a tour de force! I've often said to people who are talking about the importance of love that I thought friendship was the most fundamental thing about being human and the thing that matters most. Thanks for providing the necessary poetry/philosophy for a fuller expression of that experiential reality!
Absolutely love this discussion. Especially the genius of Daneil. Huuuuge thx.
Always enjoy watching your channel Matt. I’m especially pleased to see this discussion on Barfield. I have spent quite a bit of time with George MacDonald and his works such as Phantastes and Lilith, but especially his essays on the Imagination. Have you read the essays? I think you would find them very illuminating in regards to Barfield and Tolkien and Lewis.
Poetry as the heart whisperer for the flywheel of language.
I happened upon this video chat and clicked on it because of Owen Barfield being mentioned. 30 years ago I read, History in English Words and although I likely didn't understand much of it (like you guys would) I knew there was a world I wanted to understand or merely stand in. Maybe I just wanted to be or feel smart or maybe it was that I wanted to fathom the depths of language and ideas. Regardless, I'm sparked to hear more and so I offer thanks for what each of you bring to this conversation. Sincerely, the beggar at a feast.
I feel like this small but intelligent band of thinkers here are the embryonic "Internet Neo Inklings " 🤫🙏
Wow that clip of Owen Barfield speaking was amazing I’ve never heard audio of him. I recently read saving the appearances and it was one of my favorite things I’ve ever read, I just starting reading poetic diction yesterday. It deeply bothers me how few people know of him. thanks for the video love your channel!
“No more need to over identify with blood based bonds” 1:19:05 , the family, I’m many cases, the most under acknowledged cults. Almost all emotional and psychological healing is that of our family of origin… I’m glad this was pointed to.
would you say Owen Barfield is a "Protean" thinker like Schelling
Really enjoyed this conversation, and definitely warrants multiple listens. It seem that even after you have a felt sense of Barfield's importance there is something about him that remains elusive to translation in terms that my modern-influenced consciousness can reliably parse and relate to others. Is the recording of the Barfield lecture that you mention at the beginning available anywhere online? Thanks very much for sharing and hope you all pick up this three way conversation again in the future.
Jonathon Pageau’s ongoing podcasts,”The symbolic world”delves into evolution of consciousness territory,though I have not,as yet heard mention of Owen Barfield.
Excellent conversation! As yo guys talk about imagination and how it develops out of “seeing more”, like the more you know about something the more your imagination is opened, brings to mind my own experience of my journey to becoming a potter as a vocation. I was 21 and attending junior college on the GI Bill. Early 70’s. A spiritual renaissance in many ways; Transcendental Meditation, Alan Watts, Suzuki, Tim Leary, Ram Das etc., all grabbed my attention as I searched for meaning and Truth.
Then I discovered Ceramics. The more I practiced and learned, the more my imagination naturally flowed. What if I did this shape, color etc.? The muse showed up, wow, where did that idea come from? Empowering feelings.
To try & make a long story short, I feel that education should be more experiential; arts and crafts, making things, acting, singing, storytelling, growing food as science etc for several years on end. One naturally becomes more proficient at the craft, building self-esteem, insight and imagination. Creativity.
Exemplars are fantastic if you’re lucky to be around one. Nature can be one. Wonder is the beginning of Wisdom.
I like Daniel’s vision of these Zoom sessions being exemplars too. Tech used for good. Works for my 75 year old self!
Thanks very much!
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Funny enough, I'm at 33:39, and it sounds a lot like a concept I have been working on myself to describe the logic and fundamental nature of objective morality. The collective consciousness, like I think we have gotten so far in science that the very basis of our understanding has been totally lost in a delusion of materialism. But to be quick about it, everything we think, say, and share is based on a collective shared experience to which without nothing would be possible. Literally every word we use only exists with the collective or to be engaged with by the collective consciousness of humanity or else it is forgotten and completely useless. It gets even more interesting once you consider that "The truth" itself can become like an external evolutionary form of development like tools are to crows or chimps.
Also language itself is proof of the existence of the human collective consciousness... Because what even is this?!