Cleveland RTX FULL FACE Tour Rack Wedge Review + Comparison to ZipCore
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- There is a strong trend in wedge design recently towards full faced, high toe wedges in the highest lofts - but who are these designs really for and what are their benefits? In this video, Ryan, Matt and Mike test the new Cleveland RTX Full Face Tour Rack wedge against the standard ZipCore to see what advantages it offers around the greens!
0:00 // Intro
6:02 // Full Shots
11:44 // Tech Breakdown
16:03 // Open Faced Partial Shots
19:38 // Conclusions
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Would like to see grooves on the hosel so I can get more spin on my shanks.
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Good one Gerry haha
That be very handy for shot shots from 70 yards in with an open face
Shank you for your opinion!!!!
shanks a lot
CONGRATS DADDY IAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's gonna need more wedges to stamp!
Congrats Ian! I was literally just thinking, I haven’t seen any TXG videos this week and here we are! Another good one and glad to see Ryan in the studio with Matt and Mikey!
Congrats Ian on your family's blessed event. Great job guys Mikey's short wedge game is stellar.
Cheers from Norcal and send us some of that rain !!!
Congrats Ian and family. Well done gents on the video, loving the dynamic.
Big congrats to Ian and fam. Really enjoying the Matt, Ryan and Mike videos. You guys are a great team.
Looking forward to the full-face roundup.
Matty seems just as comfortable out of the hitting bay. Really looking forward to seeing the WITB for Matty, Ian, Mikey and Ryan
@TXG - Let’s see this soon gents!
Ordered the 54 and 60 PXG full faced wedges to go with my O311p irons. Looking forward to trying them out.
Fantastic insight and commentary. Great collaboration and work guys!
Getting nerdy with equipment is what we love to see! Great video!
Congrats IAN!! yes the roundup is a great idea!!
Enjoying the channel guys, even in Ian's absence (understandably). Congrats mi amigo on the little one. Oh and liking the addition of the new guy, the one with the glasses. Ian's mini ME?? Cool dude 😎
Great video as always! congrations to Ian and his family!!
Congratulations to Ian and family, and all the best of health for all of you! B.t.w., nice video Matty and team.
Congratulations Ian and family. I would love to see a full work up outdoors and out of the bunker.
Congratulations on becoming a father Ian. All the best daddy’o .. great content guys. Love these wedges. Nobody loves that kinda rain. Nice work Mikey
Used to think the channel would not be able to do without Ian. You guys proved me wrong. This is great!
I've been using a 60° CBX Full Face and it's one of the favorite clubs in my bag. Excited to give this a try.
Congrats Ian on the baby! Also, I use a 60 degree full face raw ZipCore. I love it. I stayed away from full face/high toe wedges because they’ve always looked awful at address. The FullFace ZipCore looks very traditional and performs amazing. 10/10 would recommend.
Thanks Brady!!
Full face wedge round-up sounds like great content!
Congratulations Ian! Love this content, no sensationalism just good honest content :D
Great job guys, superbly led Matty👍
Nothing like making breakfast, drinking coffee and watching txg
Great video guys! No reason to apologize for the rain. Could make a nice relaxing soundtrack of wedge shots and rain 🤣
You 3 fellas are doing a great job. Matty, you make a great 'anchor'; Mikey has finally gotten over his nerves :) and; Ryan is a natural.Would love this to continue, even after Ian's return.
Full face round up would be very cool, comparing each OEMs shape and grinds and how they perform in different situations.
Great stuff fellas! Mikey- 5 degrees flat with the 60 is really interesting. Would love to hear your full bag specs!
Love to see how these full face wedges work out of bunkers. I'm considering getting one to replace my current wedge. But would like to see your test results on course first.
Thanks for another outstanding video guys!
I am a simple man. I see TXG I smash the like button. Another great video guys. Amazing content as always. Congratulations also to Ian and his family.
Gotta love that "Mattie me Boy" took Ian's place and even wore the Glavin Green clothes.... :)
Been playing PM grind for years. Love the hi-toe full grooves, but I feel they lack spin even new. Been looking at the zipcore, but now I see these and I feel like these will go in the bag for sure. Awesome video!
Thanks for another informative video. I have played two generations of PM wedges. The first was harder to flight, but I think they moved some weight up as the newer one does not have that problem. It would be interesting to see if the groves actually add spin, but having more face add confidence on those shots out of the rough where the ball is setting off the ground as well as when it is buried. I think the grind is what I really like the most as you can really open the club and I normally hit my chips and pitches with an open face. I seldom use for a full shot and when I do I have to guard against the face closing. Whether I buy PM or something else, I am going to follow Mike's lead and flatten the club a couple degrees in the hope that will correct the closing issue.
Great video guys, really good stuff.
Very helpful insights, guys! You've convinced me to try this wedge, because I've been inconsistent in fluffy bunker sand and think I'd be helped by the high toe and full-face grooves. I'd been leaning towards the Ping Glide 4.0 ES, but I don't like its looks (the high toe is too stark looking and the leading edge is too rounded). Thx for this vlog!
Congratulations Ian!
Thanks Todd!!
Congratulations to Ian and the family for the new addition, daddy's little girl 👍
Congratulations Ian!!!!
Definitely interested in a full face wedge roundup. Love my original PM grind 60 and looking to replace it from wear this year.
Congrats Ian!
Great Video guys!! AWESOME
I'd really like to see more on course videos, but all the content is great!
More vidoes please, I love all the content
An episode outside in a bunker would be great guys 👍🏻 Not just the benefits of full face models but a delve a little more into grinds/bounce and the options open to players. I’m currently testing a Zipcore 58 low bounce which is working great from the tight links turf where I play. Only time will tell whether it can work out of the traps however or do I need to consider playing more bounce. Tricky choice as the two scenarios require different tools
Congratulations Ian
Ever since the PM grind, I've always used the full face wedges in my Lob and Sand wedge. I hit alot of specialty shots with both wedges, and the full face gives me lots of options for that! Especially out of the rough and bunkers! Don't see myself ever using traditional wedges outside my gap wedge ever again.
Congrats Ian! And Mike needs to test everything for normal swing speed players, he's like the rest of us. Of course we still need Matty for the WOW factor!
Got one in 62 degree for greenside bunkers. Absolutely fantastic.
G'day guys, knowing my strike patterns on my 60 degree I believe I would benefit from a full face wedge. Have recently been thinking about purchasing one so your video is timely for me. Cheers. ⛳
Congrats Ian. Well done and hope all is fine with wife and baby girl.
Any chance you fellows can do a video that explains the different wedge grinds and what those grinds are for?
Same as Mickey, I only play my 60 pm grind soley around the green 99.9% of the time and just finesse the 56 for the approach. Love the full face pm once I got used to it!
I would like to see on-course testing. I understand the simulator you are collecting information for the video. At one point in the video, you said the 30-yard shot was a nightmare for more people trying to get it over the bunker. In the simulator, there is no real risk. Let's see that shot for real
With that being said great videos always love everything TXG puts out. always helpful
Really good job, Cleveland wedges are always first class. My question is have you looked at the Callaway Mack Daddy CB wedges? The 54* sand up are full face with a pretty traditional look, no hint of a high toe?
Good job guys and many congratulations to Ian. With another girl in the house, you have just slipped further down your household pecking order 🤣
I've been wanting these for a while. Currently play Cleveland wedges and I didn't want to switch to TM or Callaway for one.
Well tackled topic. I'd liked to see a studio with real sand in there some day
LETS GO RYAN!!!!!
Enjoyed this! Congrat Ian, Matty can we do the wet test on the Glide Vs the Full face?
I work my wedges around like crazy. Love manipulating my 60 and 55. Because of that I've always loved the idea of full face grooves, but could never feel comfortable swinging a high toe or PM grind more than about 30 or 40 percent, maybe because if the weight.
Cobra put out a Snake Bite wedge that was traditional shape, full face this spring. I went and tested it right away and love it. I bought it on 55 and 60, both full face (55 is a 56 that is one strong). They are excellent wedges, at least as good as the SM7 they replaced.
I LOVED the zip core, but didn't buy them because they weren't full face. To bad these weren't out a couple months ago, or I would have tested them along side the Cobra Snake Bites to see which was better.
I got the 60..56..52… they are crazy!!!!
I saw these in the shop and immediately started drooling..
I have the 58 and 54 in the full face RTX wedges, I played a couple rounds with them, the 58 isn’t working on full shots. The 54 is great for full shots and little bump and run around the green, the 58 is so different from my 58 hi toe raw TaylorMade wedge with the 18 sol grind. So my TaylorMade will go back into my bag.
Would love to see that full face roundup. I personally play the PM Grind 19 60° and the Kirkland 52°\56° for the same reasons discussed here. I rarely hit a full shot with my 60, why should it be for anything other than trouble? I'm there constantly anyway! 🤷♂️
Mikey is an absolute assassin with the wedges
Cobra snake bite also has more traditional shape with full face and I’ve enjoyed it in my 60 versatile grind, and I came from the TM hi toe.
Excellent review I believe Mikey is spot on no need to hit a full shot I’d rather hit it around the green the question is for Mikey is would you use a 56 and bend it to a 54 and use it for full shots? Or 50 yard pitches?
Congratulations to Ian, partner and baby TXG 👶
Thanks Joe!!
Out of the bunkers, it should be really easy to display for the viewers here the way the strike happens on the open faced shots. The Quad is only showing the dot of the strike at impact, but if you've played your share of bunker shots that way, it should be obvious that there's a diagonal path up the face since you're sort of cutting across it. I think it'll make the benefit of the full face grooves really stand out.
These new zipcore tour rack wedges are the best wedges I’ve ever had! Very similar to my vokey sm6’s but my new Cleveland tour rack RTX zipcore’s have INCREDIBLE SPIN and feel! Also had TM MG2’s as well as the high toe mg2 60 and didn’t get the spin and feel I was used to, didn’t like them to be completely honest.
Big fan of the PM Grind 19. I have them in 54/58 with a GW from my iron set which is a traditional smaller shape. Bunker shots are so much easier and I always feel I have a chance of holing out on closer shots. Lots of bounce and a large sole displaces the sand incredibly well. I'd echo the sentiments of this video: the larger head, higher CG and weight distribution make it so forgiving from the rough. My previous SW/LW (RTX-4) were very difficult to hit if the ball was sat up in the rough, it always felt like the ball was teed up super high and glanced by the top of the face. Though I don't think there is added difficulty from bare lies on the PM Grind. I've always played my lob wedge as more of a utility club for chipping, flops or bunkers. My 54 is my go-to from 90 yds in for the majority of situations. Looking forward to an on-course showdown between the other high-toe/full face contenders!
Strange that TM didnt include the ATV-grind in the new hitoe model. Loved that grind.
Recently tried out the Cobra King Snakebite as my 60, it's also full face and I've been 100x more confident out of bunkers and all types of lies around the green. As the name implies, definitely bites.
I now have 56S and 60H RM-4 wedges in the bag. I blame Mike. Funny to see Ryan laugh a bit when Matt mentions Mike's "wedge connoisseur" status. I'm sure there is a backstory there...
Would love to see that round up.
I loved my hi toe around the greens but really struggled with full and 3/4 swings
I got a full face 64 a couple weeks ago to go with my zippcore 52 and 56
Yes I want to see full face wedge on thick rough close to the greens
Exactly, I’m a classic miss high on the face in the rough guy, I’m testing currently
welcome to the new glasgow ranger!
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I know this is off topic but can you please do an Oban driver shaft please no one makes detailed videos like you guys keep up the good work
Mikey needs some Edel SMS wedges. Full face, forged, plus the weight tech, in a classic looking package.
Could one use this if 1 has a tendency as a beginner to miss the grooves on a conventional face for help?
How would you say this compares to the CBX full face?
Just swapped out my 58 zipcore for a 58 full face zipcore (1 degree higher at 59 and 1 degree flatter.)
I tested them pretty hard against each other and found that on short 20-30 yards chips, the full face was consistently getting more spin, often as much as 1000 revs more. I’m never giving up spin around the green so I have made the swap.
I never hit further than 50 yards with my 59* (would always play a gentle 55* for 50+ yards) so the looks don’t offend me at all. I wouldn’t want to take full swings with it, just cos it looks too big. But for little chips and bunkers I am super impressed tbh.
Cleveland make some of the best wedges IMO, and this just adds another good option.
Cleveland wedges are excellent and are the only ones I use.
Roger Cleveland now works for Callaway but Cleveland wedges are still amazing so long as you have the right shaft in them.
If you can't hit a green with a Cleveland wedge, you're probably better off playing a different sport altogether.
Had a TaylorMade Hi Toe 58 full face groove club last year.
So much more spin out of the rough, but the down side was a loss of distance accuracy from the shot cut stuff which I think is down to having so many more grooves to grab the ball.
I think this is probably more a problem for a mid handicap player like me than a single figure player with a more consistent strike.
Gratz to Ian for the new baby girl!
56 Zip Core 6 took chipping from terrified to not hit the green on approach or par 3, to just being confident to just send it from farther out from the green because I didn't care where it ended up...the 56 was gold from inside 30yds
Would like to see a full face round up. I’ve always dismissed the full face high toe wedges just because it doesn’t fit my eye. I also very seldom hit a full lob wedge. Typically mine is a trouble shot, bunker short shot type of club and am now intrigued with the thought of a full face. I currently game the Zipcore wedges in a 50,54,58. My 58 is typically my green side bunker club and do well with it, most shots within 15 feet. If this could potentially cut that number say in half.... I would seriously have to consider putting this I my bag.
I had a hi toe lobbed. I hated the feel and grind but like the concept
Would love to see the #’s from bunkers!
Are you doing a fairway bracket this year?
I’m still playing the 56* PM grind and a low bounce regular face 60*. These two wedges cover 90% of the shots I need on almost any course. My 48* is a bump and run machine which picks up the last 10% and I have three distances dialled in with the 48* for particular low shots I need from further out. I think I’ll always have a full face 56* for bunkers and the rough. It’s just automatic.
Moving from ZIPCORE to CBX2 and a CBX full face.
These might be my next wedges. I am glad they kept the design and didn’t try to copy taylormade with a new face that just completely shreds your golf ball.
Personally didn’t care for the TM wedges
One thing you guys didn’t mention is the leading edge. How does the Full face leading edge differ from the regular zipcore? Sharper? Does it dig more?
I play Zip Cores like my 60-10 full but not quite the same as my sm-7 close and around the green. Still a work in progress.
I’m a fan of hi-toe wedges around the green. I love using the Callaway PM grind, but like this video, I see an accuracy loss the further away I get from the green. Just not a full swing weapon for me.
Does the extra toe weight cause face rotation issues thru swing . IE weight out to toe not middle
Question: Maybe it already exists or its outlawed, but why don't wedges have concentric curved grooves? That way the grooves would be perpendicular and square to the face regardless of how open the face is?
I have a PM grind 56 and I can hit every shot with it. I would never hit a full shot with a 56, like go all in, but a 80-90% works fine. And the wedge works so fine opening it up so I dont really need a 58 or 60 anymore. Just remember to bend it a little flat before using it.
Grats Ian!!
Do these come in left-handed? My dad is eyeing for his first wedgies.
I didn't notice if they showed peak height of the full shots. I wonder if the full face wedge had lower trajectories due to higher center of gravity?
I have the 60 Taylormade ATV grind - it was a love-hate relationship. So, I then bought a 'standard' 60-degree, without that ATV part of the grind, and it was far more useful in 'normal' situations. However, if the course had tight lies, the 'front' part of the ATV sole, that lowered the leading edge flush to the ground, just can't be beaten - the Tiger wedges have that front grind section. The Cleveland doesn't have this 'flush' section, and that is something I would want - a Tiger grind high_toe 62-degree would be perfect imo