@@Christopher-Lenz What the hell are you talking about? They had the most overstable discs back then. CE Firebird, Xtreme. Discs are faster nowadays but not more overstable.
@@hyzercreek You have a long journey ahead of you. There is no shame in that, everyone starts off as a newb. Hang in there & in time things will start making sense for you.
@@hyzercreek wow, & you still have this many fundamental questions about the game? Don't be afraid to ask anymore questions. Turnover = speed > spin + stability.
Amazing to contemplate how much the sport has evolved in just 20 years. The low, almost air-bounced releases, the rarity of the forehand, and the fact that Winthrop was once considered a good course...
6:31 "Will he try to make it from this point?"....this point...being 35 feet...it's crazy to see this compared to the high level of disc golf we get today
@@spikehyzer2323 Interesting. I'm guessing that plastic has changed putting less, as compared to approach shots and drives. Plastic and disc molds have changed the game no doubt, but it's mostly affected distance, and reliability on distance shots. Although people bitch about the consistency of the discs (such as the Destroyer), the fact is they perform far more consistently now than they used to. However, this doesn't affect a 30' putt really. That's all about form and mental game. Sounds like you had that iron concentration and good, repeatable form. Do you mind if revealing who you are? Anyone who took down Barry when he was putting well is someone I'd like to know.
Fun fact: 39:40 There’s a snippet of a young girl ‘Nikki Ross’ who was the women’s amateur champion..I looked up her PDGA # and she is undefeated with 8 events/8 wins!
it's odd. im 34. I don't remember TV being this bad in quality and color in 2000. And even the way they dress! to me it feels like this is 1990 more than 2000
WiggersART Still standard definition and square screen in 2000, and this production (not exactly a high-dollar ESPN production) was likely shot on analog videotape to boot.
Interesting to see how the course has evolved. Specifically thinking about the "safe" shots on 7. That's now a mando to the left; you can't play wide around the trees, you're forced over the water.
Wow. You don't know that Scott Stokeley held the world distance record in sidearm for 20 years? He also had the world distance record in backhand at the same time. One guy?
You're welcome your ancestors paved the road to disc golf hell for you, so you could lazily skip your way down it. And are you a world champion? Asking for someone I know....
always amazes me just how good Ron Russell was. He came to Warwick for their super tour event in 2003 and he only had cyclones, comets, and magnets in his bag (mostly baseline or X). He took that event down pretty easily too!! I got to play with him a few times when I used to go on vacation in the Palm Bay area and he would just completely destroy Wickham Park in Melbourne. A lot of fun to play with and hang out with! Hope he's doing well!
Probably because the people making disc golf content in 2000 may not have been the most technically inclined. Just look at early Jomez content for reference tho!
Hey Barry your shirt is 5 sizes too big. Scott too. Anyway it's amazing Ken was so dominant back then with such an average putt. The level of competition was non-existent because there was zero money unless you were top 2 or 3 in the world.
Y yo en pensando a jugar llevo 5 meses de jugar este deporte muy emocionante 🐦👍🤣🦅🌀And in thinking about playing, I have been playing this very exciting sport for 5 months.
I cant believe how many competitors then used rollers as their distance drive! I guess they didnt have disks back then with high distance ratings or double break ability.
I think the modern boys have improved dramatically on the skills, and JomezPro, et al have a superior product. But i remember JomezPro from 6 years ago... massive learning curve. If Climo understood the flight stuff like the new kids, it would be interesting
where is Ken Climo? As far as I know, he doesn't attend any pro tour events anymore and is never featured on any current disc golf coverage. Where is he???
I was wondering the same thing: Coca-cola, nascar plugs... seems like sponsorship to the mainstream has stayed relatively stagnant. Buuuuuut... recent tourney on CBS Sports and the upcoming event to ESPN2 are awesome steps!
Former TV sports broadcaster here... Big companies like Coca-Cola and Chevy used to have much larger ad buys in stuff like this and local TV. As the internet has blossomed, those companies invest more in online platforms as opposed to this type of coverage.
@@spikehyzer2323 it wasn’t anything close 30+ mph winds for Wiggins last week. Who cares it was 85 and humid. My comment was more about the wow factor (eagles drive at the match play last year) and not what the average pro on tour throws. Also Ezra aderhold threw over 600 for a distance competition last year. Want to say it was 630. I think this is Scott stokleys burner
@@spikehyzer2323 last year eagles drive at match play was longer than 580. gg also had a few boms over 600. You can find them. And you also said distance competition at first and now you’re saying a tournament. It is 100% without a doubt players are better today than any other time. The data and every other way to measure this is clear. The technology has gotten “better” sure. But discs like the destroyer has been out for 15+ years.
@@HaikesXO I wouldnt say the players today are "better" but the pool of possible players is just so much bigger than it was 20 years ago. Literally 4x more active players, and way more traveling pros. Stokely is still competing at a high level in his 50s vs all these young cats, and while he isnt as consistantly good, hes still in the top half of the field in nearly any pro event he is at. I dont see many of the old guard playing anymore to even compete, Climo, russel, etc, but to score high 20 yrs ago took alot more skill than it does today. I mean I am a first year player, and I am able to come close to scratch golf. I played ball golf for years, and never got even close there. The discs now are far superior. I have older discs from the 80s I toss around in the backyard, and the new stuff is so much better and more consistent its not even close.
@@Nnubbs you literally just said your embarrassed of climo's play..... so is he good or bad? Regardless of this guys claim, you seem to not have anything good to say. I would just keep it to yourself next time if you don't understand the context and tools used.
@@TheRadbrian lol what I said was that a random dude said he could beat climo. Compared to today’s lineups, the field was not anywhere near the level. As I already said I have respect for them but put climo in today’s game or move some of this era’s players back and climo isn’t climo. Try harder next time you try to twist my words.
Amazing to contemplate how much the sport has evolved in just 20 years. The low, almost air-bounced releases, the rarity of the forehand, and the fact that Winthrop was once considered a good course...
Scott was ahead of his time with the forehand!! Gotta put some respect on his name!!
And to think that 5 years after this tournament was played... Gannon Buhr was born. Crazy.
Wait how old is Gannon?
@@thelegendarye2430 19
As a follower of discgolf for just the last year or so, it's fun to see some older stuff
Agreed. Completely different game back them. Those discs were so massively understable.
@@Christopher-Lenz What the hell are you talking about? They had the most overstable discs back then. CE Firebird, Xtreme. Discs are faster nowadays but not more overstable.
@@hyzercreek You have a long journey ahead of you. There is no shame in that, everyone starts off as a newb. Hang in there & in time things will start making sense for you.
@@Christopher-Lenz Been playing disc golf since 1968. When do I stop being a newbie? Who the hell are you anyway
@@hyzercreek wow, & you still have this many fundamental questions about the game? Don't be afraid to ask anymore questions.
Turnover = speed > spin + stability.
This commentary is surprisingly good...
Most superb!
that's because it does not feature Nate Doss
Agreed. It’s engaging.
oh, I was thinking it was rather boring. I love the commenters that we have now. These guys here seem to talk about the obvious. But to each his own
Avery Jenkins sighting at 56:45! Man, anybody watching this would KNOW that the sport would blow up. It's just a matter of time. Great video
Nice!
Amazing to contemplate how much the sport has evolved in just 20 years. The low, almost air-bounced releases, the rarity of the forehand, and the fact that Winthrop was once considered a good course...
thanks for the footage!!
This is blowing my mind. So much has changed in 24 years.
Paul McBeth at 0:18
David Valdiviez LOLOLOL
🤣🤣🤣
You f'ing got me:)
That is so funny! Thanks for the laugh!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
I just watch Barry play a NC tournament recently so it was really cool seeing him play 20 years ago too!
Greenville?
Just got my Barry-signed Leopard in the mail today, along with a 2018 Barsby-signed Aviar.
Fun fact: Ken Climo would camp on the course during events, using his shirt as a tent.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Needs more likes
He has a wide body but skinny lol. Built different
I watched scott video giving tips on side arm and im watching this like man hes actually pretty solid all around
Scott throwing 500 back then with older discs and 22 years ago, this is a reflection of the competition Kenny had to compete with in these days!!!
A 450-500 sidearm is rare still. Doing it in 2000 is incredible.
This feels like the 1981 United States Championship... not 2000. :-)
Been throwing my Climo 11x CE Cheetah for nearly 20 years! Also have a DX plastic Cheetah signed by the man himself!
6:31 "Will he try to make it from this point?"....this point...being 35 feet...it's crazy to see this compared to the high level of disc golf we get today
Right? 35 feet is pretty regular for the guys today
I think they were just trying to educate the audience by asking and answering questions like that.
@@spikehyzer2323 Interesting. I'm guessing that plastic has changed putting less, as compared to approach shots and drives. Plastic and disc molds have changed the game no doubt, but it's mostly affected distance, and reliability on distance shots. Although people bitch about the consistency of the discs (such as the Destroyer), the fact is they perform far more consistently now than they used to. However, this doesn't affect a 30' putt really. That's all about form and mental game. Sounds like you had that iron concentration and good, repeatable form. Do you mind if revealing who you are? Anyone who took down Barry when he was putting well is someone I'd like to know.
@@spikehyzer2323 What do you use for a putter? and why would you recommend that vs others?
You ever tried to "seal" a tournament win with a 35' putt? No pressure there lol
Dam, a commercial with the Legend Dale. ITs so weird watching old stuff.
Wish more of this and other 1900s video available
Fun fact: 39:40 There’s a snippet of a young girl ‘Nikki Ross’ who was the women’s amateur champion..I looked up her PDGA # and she is undefeated with 8 events/8 wins!
it's odd. im 34. I don't remember TV being this bad in quality and color in 2000. And even the way they dress! to me it feels like this is 1990 more than 2000
I had the exact same thought.
Disc golf is always about 10 years behind, such as life as the red headed step child of accuracy sports. (For now, our time is coming!)
Who do u think is filming this, ESPN?
WiggersART Still standard definition and square screen in 2000, and this production (not exactly a high-dollar ESPN production) was likely shot on analog videotape to boot.
Same as everyone with the video quality comments but as far as the clothes, take in mind that you would wear that if you were in your 30s in 2000
Interesting to see how the course has evolved. Specifically thinking about the "safe" shots on 7. That's now a mando to the left; you can't play wide around the trees, you're forced over the water.
Love the Sport !
14:34 - Paul McBeth: See you in 13 years.
Respect to the OGs
but I probably wouldn’t have gotten into disc golf if someone showed me this! Lol all love
Great Video...Thanks !
They should do spoof commentary on this :)
The commercials are awesome lol
20 years ago only one guy on the card is throwing sidearm and they are all crooning over how good he is at it 🤣
Wow. You don't know that Scott Stokeley held the world distance record in sidearm for 20 years? He also had the world distance record in backhand at the same time. One guy?
@@hyzercreek lol another terrible take.
He had and still has a great sidearm even when compared to modern players.
You're welcome your ancestors paved the road to disc golf hell for you, so you could lazily skip your way down it. And are you a world champion? Asking for someone I know....
always amazes me just how good Ron Russell was. He came to Warwick for their super tour event in 2003 and he only had cyclones, comets, and magnets in his bag (mostly baseline or X). He took that event down pretty easily too!!
I got to play with him a few times when I used to go on vacation in the Palm Bay area and he would just completely destroy Wickham Park in Melbourne. A lot of fun to play with and hang out with! Hope he's doing well!
He still comes out and plays sometimes down here.. he’s got a roofing company he’s pretty busy with though
@@Jesterian I remember him saying that when I played with him. Glad hes still playing at least a little bit!
Amazing historic footage! Incredible to think that women couldn't even vote when this took place!
crazy!
Lmao
Why does this feel like its from 1990 instead of 2000?
Probably because the people making disc golf content in 2000 may not have been the most technically inclined.
Just look at early Jomez content for reference tho!
Because people filming disc golf in 2000 were using second- third- hand equipment from 1990.
I meant the vibe and fashion of the people, more so than the filming quality.
@@st1LeOG Guess tucked in shirts were still a thing in 2000 lol
Holy Cow Stokely's almost eagle at 1:02 is electric.
Where did this coverage originally air??
Nowhere. It was just VHS.
That looks like a nice day
Nobody on their phones
Hey Barry your shirt is 5 sizes too big. Scott too.
Anyway it's amazing Ken was so dominant back then with such an average putt. The level of competition was non-existent because there was zero money unless you were top 2 or 3 in the world.
Would be awsome if some of these players could take the time and speak about what they think the sport has come to, and be around for the new players.
We will. Be patient
Here as a new age young buck in the scene, and loving this!
Very cool
Every time Stokley does something awesome he gets love from everyone on the card but Climo
They slapped hands after his drive on hole #1
Climo looking like nobody there is his bud.
The sport has come a long way in 20 years... it’s interesting that these guys are throwing a lot of air bounces.
That’s bc they grew up throwing ultimate style frisbees, those discs fly best on air bounces.
20 years makes a difference.
You can tell Scott stokely and Climo are smoking buddies
Do they smoke? Lol
@@hlg_theshepherd2873 how do you think they are so skinny
@@sparkmadd_IZM smoking doesnt make you skinny
@@hlg_theshepherd2873 smoking suppresses appetite, so yeah, it kinda does.
@@sparkmadd_IZM He's talking about smoking what gives you munchies
Coca-Cola sponsorship back in 2000. That is pretty cool.
Y yo en pensando a jugar llevo 5 meses de jugar este deporte muy emocionante 🐦👍🤣🦅🌀And in thinking about playing, I have been playing this very exciting sport for 5 months.
0:44 FollowFlight in 2000
Ken Climo, has only been beaten by an Iron Leaf! 🌿
So many dad's and pairs of new balances
I cant believe how many competitors then used rollers as their distance drive! I guess they didnt have disks back then with high distance ratings or double break ability.
9-speed discs...maybe.
I think the modern boys have improved dramatically on the skills, and JomezPro, et al have a superior product. But i remember JomezPro from 6 years ago... massive learning curve. If Climo understood the flight stuff like the new kids, it would be interesting
Gotta love the graphic on hole 1 and current score of 0 for the round.
Who woulda known?
where is Ken Climo? As far as I know, he doesn't attend any pro tour events anymore and is never featured on any current disc golf coverage. Where is he???
He's had an ongoing back injury for several years: usdgc.com/posts/climo-returns-to-usdgc-for-round-1-commentate/
That's a bummer
33:00 someone gets hit with disc, that probably would have been roller too
old school stuff
Here from reddit
Same.
Same here
woot!
Sugar Schack!
These commentators are way better than Jamie Thomas /Nate Doss.
nate doss sucks. I think we all watch jomez at this point to avoid him
SHOUT OUT to juliana korver for beating almost half of the men's field.
It's no jomez but I'll take our poor man Nate sexton and our rag-tag big jerm!
At 21:00 his shot was never even close to hitting land... I think it was super clear
It's amazing how bad they throw on the first hole! Two of them hit the trees on the left. Ken got lucky with a good roll off the tree.
And the legend of measuring OB by dangling a set of keys was born 47:10
53:14 Homie texting and walking
It was a Blackberry
Keys make a great plumb bob
Sponsored by @CocaCola back in 2000? Where’s the big name sponsors for modern disc golf? There sure is a MUCH larger following!
I was wondering the same thing: Coca-cola, nascar plugs... seems like sponsorship to the mainstream has stayed relatively stagnant. Buuuuuut... recent tourney on CBS Sports and the upcoming event to ESPN2 are awesome steps!
Former TV sports broadcaster here... Big companies like Coca-Cola and Chevy used to have much larger ad buys in stuff like this and local TV. As the internet has blossomed, those companies invest more in online platforms as opposed to this type of coverage.
Rip dale erhart.
Imagine guys from 2021 time traveling back then and throwing 700ft backhands and 400 foot forehands lol.
@@spikehyzer2323 look up David Wiggins getting on the green in 2 throws on a 1280 hole last week lol
@@spikehyzer2323 it wasn’t anything close 30+ mph winds for Wiggins last week. Who cares it was 85 and humid. My comment was more about the wow factor (eagles drive at the match play last year) and not what the average pro on tour throws. Also Ezra aderhold threw over 600 for a distance competition last year. Want to say it was 630. I think this is Scott stokleys burner
@@spikehyzer2323 last year eagles drive at match play was longer than 580. gg also had a few boms over 600. You can find them. And you also said distance competition at first and now you’re saying a tournament. It is 100% without a doubt players are better today than any other time. The data and every other way to measure this is clear. The technology has gotten “better” sure. But discs like the destroyer has been out for 15+ years.
@@HaikesXO I wouldnt say the players today are "better" but the pool of possible players is just so much bigger than it was 20 years ago. Literally 4x more active players, and way more traveling pros. Stokely is still competing at a high level in his 50s vs all these young cats, and while he isnt as consistantly good, hes still in the top half of the field in nearly any pro event he is at. I dont see many of the old guard playing anymore to even compete, Climo, russel, etc, but to score high 20 yrs ago took alot more skill than it does today. I mean I am a first year player, and I am able to come close to scratch golf. I played ball golf for years, and never got even close there. The discs now are far superior. I have older discs from the 80s I toss around in the backyard, and the new stuff is so much better and more consistent its not even close.
They'd feel right at home with Stokely.
These players all look like they’re playing on their lunch breaks from their office jobs where they sell insurance from cubicles
Simon Lizotte is just a modern-day Scott Stokely
@tyvek05 Simon probably puffs tough because he only likes ipa beers.
ace run 27:05
20,001st view. This is gold. Pun intended.
Hole 7...Par 5.. Nobody has ever Eagled this hole. ... 20 yrs later Garrett Gurthie.. Hold my Beer!
I'm embarrassed for the lack of quality play compared to today. Respect to those who came before but damn.
@@spikehyzer2323 yeah. I completely disagree. You also just said you were better than climo lol
@@spikehyzer2323 you talk a lot.
@@Nnubbs you literally just said your embarrassed of climo's play..... so is he good or bad? Regardless of this guys claim, you seem to not have anything good to say. I would just keep it to yourself next time if you don't understand the context and tools used.
@@TheRadbrian lol what I said was that a random dude said he could beat climo. Compared to today’s lineups, the field was not anywhere near the level. As I already said I have respect for them but put climo in today’s game or move some of this era’s players back and climo isn’t climo. Try harder next time you try to twist my words.
I guess the fashion in 2000 was wearing clothes that don't remotely fit
I graduated in 2002 and can still fit in clothes from high school bc they were all so damn big
Lmao those disc bags they are using 😂
Man... Stokely is still an eye sore to watch. After 20 years. Hes always had horrible form.
everyone in that era had awful form in fairness
Who hu not hunh huh, RED SHIR MICK!
Sponsored by Coca-Cola.... lol
Some FarrenWarboys commentary.
16:23what the fuck is that
Either skill level or ten disc are not as great as modern day
obvious from Hole #1 that practicing low "straight" tunnel shots is imperative in disc golf...that's why that's the shot I practice by far the most
Amazing to contemplate how much the sport has evolved in just 20 years. The low, almost air-bounced releases, the rarity of the forehand, and the fact that Winthrop was once considered a good course...