MogTalk: Episode 305 - DAWNTRAIL STORY AND LORE
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Guests: Anonymoose, Em, & Croatoan
Discussion: For our final MogTalk of Endwalker, we bring back our three guests from our previous lore episode to discuss everything we've learned since then about Dawntrail.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
42:00 Moose Audio Fix
2:33:00 Credits
Rating: 10/10
ENJOYYYYYYYYYYY
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Just gonna throw this out there for all my sci-fi homies…
When we see the 2 Lala’s running to the portal and one turns around crying, taking one last look before stepping through… This is LITERALLY Stargate Atlantis’s opening sequence!! The 2 Lala’s are actually LEAVING the “City of Gold” and presumably locking it away forever/a long ass time I’m guessing because of the calamity (maybe Mach related… think of all those ships as the Wraith siege on Atlantis) or some other disaster. One or both of the Lala’s are probably related to Krile in some way and that’s how she gets pulled into the whole thing. Let me know what u all think of this theory…
Frosty your Mogtalkathon was a genius idea! What a trip down memory lane during patch downtime - thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Cro made really cool points about the cultural stuff, as a south american myself (brazilian) I'm super excited to see all the cultural references
SE seems to be really trying to make the in-game cultures match their real life counterparts in very respectful but also fun ways since Heavensward and it's only gotten better. I especially love the english VA accents, in EW they were fantastic and judging by the DT launch trailer they'll be fantastic now as well!
Brazil mentioned! 😬
I'm very excited for this expansion as well, hopefully they mention a lot of our culture cuz there's sooo much they could take inspiration from
You know just when to drop a mogtalk. Thanks for getting me through work today!
You say around 30 min that it's thematically fitting for the name of allied societies quests to change over time, but for that to really be the case, the name should change depending on the progress in the story, so that the change is visible.
All I know about that crack is if I don't get a "battle on the bigger bridge" trial I am going to riot.
My guess is that we will actually encounter an Ascian in some form and I really hope it's a long term and somewhat amicable situation. Emet Selch's adventurer's almanac spoiler spectacular was likely less "neat stuff to see" and more of a list of loose ends that he and his left that need to be tied up. The missing ascians are in that category. I'd rather have it be more friendly than adversarial.
I've only got to level 91 in the story, but I like it a lot so far.
I didn't care for endwalkera story from 83-90, so the first quarter and the finale were great but the rest felt so contrived and rushed, capping off a decade so haphazardly.
With the maiden lady in the trailer, it got me thinking... The ending of endealker was anticlimactic, all the actions sacrifice themselves only to be instantly revived?? I remember how powerful and sudden the impact of than red was but as they systematically did it one after the other I knew what would happen. I was thinking...
What if... Because we are only partly rejoined... We didn't use creation magic to revive everyone, but cast an illusion of them, and at the end of dawntrail that's the sacrifice the maiden was talking about and we realize all our friends are gone? Setting up for a brand new journey with a brand new cast and a more meaningful send off also recontextualizing and adding meaning to the ending of endwalker? Adding depth to our character thinking they brought their friends back but only brought back their memory in an illusion?
No way they'll do that, they don't have the spine to do anything like that to their marketable characters.
Just what I needed while I fiend for the early access release 😅 thanks team
About the huge crack, in the Ridorana Lighthouse wasn't the crack mentioned? The forebears of the Garlemald had to leave and went west to Corvus.
ridorana lighthouse tho is not located over there. its supposedly in the south sea isle, between thavnair and meracydia given its connection to dalmasca and there are no cracks going out from there.
@@psssht8998 huh? You are right about the connection to Dalmasca but it's on the continent, south of Bozja, west of Nagxia generally. About the crack, iirc it was caused by their Tartaros technology malfunctioning and making a deep hole (that somehow still keeps chugging the surrounding water? 🤨)
Hell yeah! I was hoping you'd do another lore episode after the launch trailer dropped.
I'm the only one who thinks the figures in the murals are Byregot, Rhalgr, Nald'Thal (or maybe just Thal) and Azeyma? Or whatever their representations are for the people who draw those.
I subscribe to the idea of city of gold's a virtual world.
What if the reason Tuliloyal was founded was because the leader found the city of gold, saw that things are gonna get gnarly, and then conquered all of the tribes in the region to eventually prepare for the invasion
Not sure if anyone has said it yet but could the city of gold be related to dynamis since it is visualized as a golden aura
woot woot, cookin
The download was supposed to be 54GB iirc.
Woah spoilers game not even out yet
43:30 I stuck around. Worth it.
Moose is my man. Excited to get more of the world, but now that it's here...uh cool, whatever. EW gave so much closure it feels almost wrong to reopen this chapter. Then having massive backlog of steam games installed... these are good problems to have.
IIRC they already showed a real city of gold in the new treasure dungeons. It's not part of the MS.
Below is just my theory on the MSQ. I'm leaving it here for the record.
The main threat developed in DT is - in my view - the advanced spaceships attacking Tuliyolal. We already know we'll be going into space for field exploration, which fits.
The only space-faring civilisation we already know (other than Midgardsormr) is Allag, and this makes perfect sense with other things of the launch trailer:
- the lalas running into the "stargate" during some violent event in the past are wearing Eureka gear, which is unique, and the camera makes sure it's impossible to miss. That makes them Allag researchers, and the event is probably the fall of Allag. You may not like it, but the city is definitely Allag (as is the dungeon shown in the live letter).
- the Allag base with the stargate (which Krile recognises - because of her link with Eureka and its history and/or Galuf) is the "golden city" Gulool Ja Ja has been interested in, presumably having identified it as a danger (together with Galuf).
The link with Eureka and Allag here is important, because it makes the Mysterious Maiden Emmerololth. She must have helped Eureka's scientists survive. Whether she is now with the Allag diaspora in space or remained in the base determines whether she will be on our side or theirs.
I think it's more likely that she's still in the Allagan base on the source (which may be Solution 9, but doesn't have to be), because that explains why she was at the Ascian meetings in the cleanest way. That would make her the person that is warning (or has already warned) about the imminent return of (some of ) the Allagan diaspora.
My pet theory (with no support) is that Krile's parents were with Emmerololth in the base, they were killed at some point by the diaspora Allagans, and Galuf took her along.
Comments after watching the stream. To me the third panel looks like a person guarding a number of sleeping people. That could be referring to how the original starfarers from the Allag diaspora travelled to distant stars or how a group of people in the Allagan base on the source survived over the aeons to guard it. Essentially, third era survivalist legends that perhaps got mixed up with religious ideas on the afterlife.
The purple stuff that covered the last stand of the giants' empire makes me think that perhaps the purple is associated with a plague running through (parts of) the Allag diaspora and/or the Allag base on Tulliyolal. The giants' empire fell apart in the process of defeating it on the source, but some Allag ships fell victim to it (hence the purple)? Total speculation, of course.
Some are sad to have Ascians and Allagans again, but FFXIV is a largely consistent world, and there can not really be anything on the source that's not related to both of them (with the potential exception of Meracydia, where Allag didn't fully rule). However, once we get away from the Source, things open up for storylines unrelated to them.
The crack on the map can be due to the Allagan space elevator crashing down. It's probably where the new large scale content is.
We know of a lot of space faring civilizations thanks to Endwalker. I assume you meant space faring civilizations that are still alive or on the Source, so slight correction, there is another you forgot about, and a possible second one as well. First is Pupu's race from the Manderville quests, and the possible second it's the Mandervillians themselves. I say possible because, as we all know, Hildi and Godbert aren't actually descended from them but rather just normal highlanders, however that questline also heavily implied that that coblyn that has been following us around ever since the ARR Hildi quests is actually the last Mandervillian.
Em: "FFXIV is a love letter to other final fantasies"
Me: *Looks for more than specific enemy models, mogstation exclusive items and The Twinning and cannot find more*
Me: *Cries*
LISTEN, I JUST WANT SOME MORE CAIUS. I NEED MORE CAIUS BALLAD DESPERATELY
A fan of XIII-2 in the wilds? What are the odds...
@@silvergrove8517 FFIII was my first FF games that I played, despite 9 year old me seeing a FF12 commercial and wanting it desperately it but not being able to get it (my older brother convinced my mother not to get it as "I wouldn't get it and ultimately not enjoy it") because it was the first one I could buy myself (although a few years after release) so it holds sentimental value. But I still do believe Caius is an amazing villain and would place him along side if not above Emet, so I honestly just want FFXIV to at least reference FFXIII more, despite it's numerous flaws and that a large portion of the FF fan base disliking it strongly, especially XIII-2 as it's the best one out of the trilogy.
Also FFIII has some of the best music out of the series :>
@zugetzuzu friend! I completely agree. XIII-2 gets slept on because of the baggage of XIII, but I really enjoyed my time playing that game. Sometimes, I wish it was its own thing. Maybe it would have more appreciation and recognition that way.
People were upset over the name beast tribe? Lol they are beasts...in final fantasy...
In lore calling them that was like super racist so it didn't make sense to call them that outside of lore felt hypocritical