1) I enjoy iracing 2) They are improving physics and I love that they are working on things 3) ironically the speed issue is likely from them trying to make sim more realistic 4) I don't disagree with the cars being to fast 5) I explain why it's a more complex issue 6) I wanted to highlight the absurdity of people being this worked up over the speed but not the underlying physics at the limit that have been insane for over a decade. 7) CONSPIRICY What if they made it stupidly fast for week 13 so they could then reduce it and be like "we listened we the best" ? lol Its interesting what people latch onto and what different people focus on and for why, I myself will focus and fixate on stupid things or on things disproportionately or for what is more or less relevant to me specifically and not to other people or other use cases as will everyone so its fun to try and think about what those things are for yourself and others. Videos from real drivers being very clear about iracing insane handling - ua-cam.com/video/Bh0ZQMeJv_8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AustinOgonoski ua-cam.com/video/q8g9y4t4Mus/v-deo.htmlsi=oXeJfKUZhxM2RkNZ&t=1021
When people talking about 'unrealistic'', it is like - compared to what? To real life - we should be glad that sims aren't super realistic, cause we will never have all the feedback about conditions that we are getting in real life - without feedback it would just feel inconsistent. The level of detail we already have is a lot. Compared to other sims? - I don't know - ACC that gets praised for super complex tire calculations and realistic gt3 physics, doesn't have a tire wear at all, you push those cars flat out for an hour in Hungaroring and get faster - is that realistic? For the part about pushing slip angles and going bit over limit - it might be an issue for gt3 and other more mechanical grip sports cars more than an gtp which is very high downforce car, it should loose a lot of grip as soon as it gets sideways - you don't see formula cars using high slip angles in corners. But maybe my assumption that gtp is closer to formula car than gt3 type car is wrong.
great news tho is that the tires do feel like tires now. bad news is people won't be happy regardless XD I'm still gonna drive harder and harder till the wheels fall off and go again. hopefully the oval side gets the new tires before the NIS series goes up, might make the NASCAR next gen cup cars actually good for once and I mainly drive them lol
@@hpisloud1 wasnt the pickup cup was it had a car go to the moon the other day when the big one happened I saw the crash and one car took off like a rocket 😂
I think there is such an outburst for the GTPs because it is The Smoking gun that illustrate without the shadow of a doubt that there is indeed a problem with iRacing. People, except some bald youtubers are generally well behaved and good little abiding simracers. And it is so well known that iRacing is the pinnacle of simracing, that people aren’t sure if its them or the sim when something is off. No, it is clear that it is the sim that is off. Ence, why it is such a big deal
You are living in the past LLM GPT racing is where its at now. Also lol no way my dyslexic brain can cope with 3 letters that are used in different orders for a bunch of things and sound mostly the same GAME OVER !
@@blacknovella Lol my brain processes words in ways that I don't even understand or expect , though there is often some logic to it just not one that's English lol.
The big problem is that people go around saying "it's the best...it's the best" and many confuse saying "it's the best" to include EVERYTHING and in its physics FOR ME it's not the best... It has the best online competition system BUT IN DRIVING it's not the best even close. I agree 100% with what you say in this video.
Iracing is the benchmark for real life. Real life needs to fix its physics. I mean we're already paying for content and have many many subscriptions in real life, only the physics now need a overhaul.
There is quite a number of people that I know that should probably watch this video. Utilizing lap time as a gauge to determine whether or not something is realistic, is a losing approach. If a sim car hits realistic lap times, but does so due to lowered engine power, reduced tyre grip, increased drag, no regenerative torque, etc, then is the sim car even really trying to simulate the real life counterpart? Also, excellent points you brought up about the varying conditions present in real life vs simulators.
@@danielebrambilla2290 I wasn't saying there aren't issues present, but lap times in general are only a good indicator if they are so significantly different than real life. It's not a catch-all flag.
@Schmawlik I didn't say that, I was actually agreeing with you 🤷🏻♂️ The thing is feeling is subjective, laptimes and cornering speeds aren't, which is why they are good enough indicators. Not a one fits all solution but surely it's better than just saying "I think this is not realistic".
@@danielebrambilla2290 I was just disputing the 'proof the issue exists', portion of the comment. Cornering speeds are definitely a better metric, in which case we know iRacing is off in this regard, which will lead to that significant delta to the real life lap times.
well the main issue is that these cars are driving as fast as an LMP1 was around le mans. This is an unacceptable release state for a game that costs this much, a big QA hole where no sane human could expect a realistic feeling on the new tyre model at release when you're giving GTP cars the speed of LMP1s. First of all, iRacing MARKETS ITSELF as realistic, its not just a tag people started giving it due to some features. Being an entire regulation set behind as far as car speeds go is insanely bad, because as someone else that i cant remember said in a video about this issue, a car should be fun in a sim because the real life counter part is. Le mans Ultimate is to me the best sim out there at the moment because the cars are exact replicas under all aspects of the real thing. The electric system of the LMHs is so advanced in the sim that you can literally adopt real life strategies in both the braking phase and the high speed corners playing around the electric system, especially by using that front tyres electric grip. You are on the limit and have to rely on that extra stability gained by using 10% throttle so that only the front wheel electric motors come in and save your ass, it's so noticeable in the Porsche curves at le mans. When iRacing gives it prime LMP1 era grip and aero, they're taking away the entire point of releasing for 14 dollars a car that is 80% different than anything else in that LMDh class. You cant even notice the main differences. I really suggest anyone playing iRacing to buy le mans ultimate, play offline for an hour or so trying at least 2 LMHs and 2LMDhs and feel the insane difference between all of them. That is what a sim should feel like, it could have the worst balanced cars ever but the sole fact that there is such a difference between cars and each adapt to a different driving style as real life ones do balances for that. A simulator should make me feel like i'm there, iracing makes me feel likes i'm part of something bigger than anything else in the sim space, but it never gave me the feeling of being in a real car as even assetto corsa can
I quit iRacing because of that physics issue, as well as the driving standards. I saw where they were taking steps to improve those things. So I signed up for another year. I must say, I was very impressed with the Lotus 79 (new tire update) and very much enjoyed a 20 lap race at Watkins Glen! Can’t wait for the full tire update.
I think if you want to race the GTP's in a more realistic way, just play LMU, if you want the competition system, play I Racing. LMU will continue to improve and with the userbase growing and the split system starting to work, and driver swaps comming, it will eventually become as competitive as Iracing. however That's only one series with 3 classes. I racing has a lot more to offer. I'll be able to simrace again in february. I'll buy both games and just enjoy both, one for the fun and competition and one for the fun and realism. It doesn't have to be only A or B look at blood types AB exists as well !
I guess what's funny to me is, the same people that are calling this out and are up and arms are also slobbing on the knob of LMU as the latest king, the most accurate and most realistic thing ever. Meanwhile, at spa, last week. The Top split guys were running low 2:17s in LMGT3 spec cars. The world record lap at spa in LMGT3 is 2:20.5 and some change. 3.5 seconds slower than top split race pace in LMU. Crickets.
I must say, after being an iRacing subscriber since about 2010, I love it. The worst thing that ever happened to me in regards to iRacing is I drove a real car competitively. I find it so incredibly frustrating to enjoy in almost all the cars now. I still go there for the things you can't get anywhere else, but race there less and less. You are right, it's flawed and impossible to communicate. This horrible GTP oversight has been a breath of fresh air in online discourse because it seemed iRacing detractors have been fighting an uphill battle for over a decade. If anything, the "meme" of the GTPs should serve as a cornerstone in discussions moving forward regarding iRacing's "realism", it acts as a conversation starter and eye-opener to all the things they get wrong. And if the focus is on that, they'll hopefully be motivated to fix it of the public is talking about it and not just some balding dude in his spare room who can't say "GTP"
It's a bit difficult for us who have never driven a Hypercar to say it doesn't handle right or behave as it should. That's why the lap time and cornering speeds are what people are using. But, I'd rather have a realistic representation of a car. You can still have fun with that
Fair enough but the porsche cup car in iracing is insane , as is any car that tends to get right onto tires like Porsche tend to do. ironically porsche cup is the best car to drive in AC,ACC,RF2 lol due to how they need to be finessed and how they are sort of a dog of a car but also so drivable lol , needless to say they don't need to be driven like a brick laden bob sled in any other sim. There are amazing onboards of Porsche cup races and drivers massively over driving them or just driving them quickly in slip looks amazing to drive but also super hard to be fast in.
The current thread on the iRacing forum is hilarious. People are DEMANDING this gets fixed immediately and are acting as if iRacing is manufacturing faulty baby car seats. People just need to chill.
I hear you but things like tire models and handling can’t be boiled down to a single number like lap times or corner speeds. If there was an easy benchmark for the tire model that showed how bad it was, people would be just as upset!
I think the main reason why the GTP speeds have gotten way more attention than other physics issues is because they're obvious and measurable. Most of us have never driven a real race car, so we don't know what they're supposed to actually feel like. However, we have enough data that anyone can compare lap times and cornering speeds between iRacing and real life in a quantitative way.
Exactly what I was thinking. And also, even if I think the feeling through my wheel feels "wrong" or my pedals feels "wrong" people will just say it's because I'm using a G29 and need to upgrade my kit. (and they wouldn't be wrong!)
I just want to say I love how you "endorse" yourself at the beginning of the videos by encouraging people to subscribe and like the video, you still do it like everybody else but you do it in your own funny and unique way, which stands out.
Love the epic/dramatic background music, it helps set the grave tone of the accusations. Luckily we won't need to care about inferior simulators once AC Evo is released and humanity can be happy again.
The speed thing is truly silly on the new iracing car…but I did league races at Snetterton in the rain on iracing last night and it was loads of fun. But you can’t help thinking it would be better with better tyres. It still has that “I spun but have no idea why” feel. As a fellow Brit, I appreciate the tea jokes and self deprecation.
Really, this could be as simple as a couple things. One, yeah, the core simulation has an issue but that will possible be hard to smoke out since everything is so interconnected. Like any complex software. Small tweak over here causes crazy issues over there in seemingly unrelated areas. The other "simple" possiblity is some typo is buried in the code. Either way, it will likely get sorted at some point. Main reason I play iRacing mostly is the service it's self. Not as much the simulation. So many other sims are a ghost town online unless your life schedule lines up with a league. I can find a quick 15-30 min race almost at any time of day on any day. That stuff makes up for the issues. At least for me.
You know driving first corner in Sebring with 260kph instead 180kph like real life isn't fun on multiclass races. So I'd say if it was 20kph off novody cared. But its sometimes double the corner speed wich makes racing not easier. It's way more stressful esp. close racing.
I think its pretty simple. The blatantly obvious speed differences make it clear that the work just isnt being done. Yes, the other problems are more important but harder to explain, this is just blatant. Of course youll get pitchforks. Nows the time for you to say "told you so"
i'm not a fan of people complaining about lap times. I think people forget that the majority of people sit in a static rig so it is very hard to get a 100% realistic feel in physics. My complaint with the new physics on the GTP cars is the insane levels of grip where it feels like the car is on rails. It was funny to see Broadbent having the same reaction when driving out of the pits in Spa and just going full speed through Eau Rouge like it was nothing. That was my first experience with the new physics and I think it is fair to point this out.I am very happy that they are trying to improve the physics but this is aproaching Red Bull X levels of grip.
To illustrate the point just look at the difference in practice sessions when the F1 is somewhere in the middle east however what pissed people off wasn't that it was faster but why it was faster.
I'm unsure if it's already been mentioned, though I did have a skim through the comments but couldn't see anyone with the same thoughts. I reckon the Ferrari has such high cornering speeds and grip because iRacing have no plans to BOP the GT3s currently in the sim down to the speed the LMGT3s run in WEC. I'm guessing (as I don't necessarily enjoy iRacing so stopped using the sim quite some time ago) the intention is for the Ferrari to join the LMDh's in their IMSA series (where IIRC the GTDs still run significantly faster than the LMGT3s) so as a result they've had to increase its performance relative to the cars it's going to run alongside. That's not to say though that the car in real life isn't capable of the speeds the car is achieving in sim. BOP is applied in both series but we've not yet seen an LMH run in IMSA and, I'm happy to be corrected on this, I don't think we've seen a current LMH be let loose completely in a publicised test session to see how fast this current crop of prototypes can actually run when completely unrestricted.
Well iracing is supposedly on the fix already but god people go to far haha. What i find funniest is people are talking about speed. Yet everyone i talk to who drives it says its the most fun they have had driving a car in iraxing for a while. So thats very funny to me.
SIMRACING IS NOT MEANT TO BE FUN !!!! - eventually iracing will end up driving like AC but with more depth no curb issue lol and people will be like oh this is well good and all the people that played AMS1 and AC for over 7000 years will face palm lol.
@@GamerMuscleVideoshaha exactly!!!! Hilarious Sim racers need to get over it and realize there can be a noce balance of both. Also fanboying over a title is just absurd. You won't find me going acc is the best ever even if I main it. I like all sorts of sims I like having fun!!
Funny how people talk about the Porsche Cup car being unrealistic yet i have met irl drivere who think its pretty close. Even had a supercup driver work on the car. The more I read, watch and drive things myself this whole tyres, physics, aero there is a layer on personal subjective experience to it.
I wonder if people are forgetting to take into account the threat of death if you so much as blink incorrectly at high speed. I bet most pro drivers can run a given lap time around a circuit that would be seconds upon seconds faster than their IRL times. And most of that would simply boil down to knowing that if you enter a turn too hot in sim, you can just tap Escape and restart your lap.
I'd wager a good majority of real world pro drivers , are well past the point of being worried about the danger , they are focused on driving and racing. If they were genuinely on edge from the danger they would drive worse most the time , also race driving is way safer than isl of Man TT and TT riders are calm as cucumbers. Example I like to use , Super G skiing or Rock climbers , as a teenager I knew some kids that were training to be in Olympics and they honestly gave 0 shits about the danger lol and those ski slopes are insane , id happily drive around in a radical on any race track than even go down a super G track at half speed. I'm not saying real drivers are not worried or it plays no effect on things but you can watch a ton of racing up to F1 where drivers are clearly not thinking about there or other drivers safty lol its even worse in rookie series where you would think there would be more concern.
If you slow down because you are scared in a race car, I will drive faster without that fear. I've raced enough in real life, the fear doesn't get to me anymore until I watch a Senna/Rush/Jim Clark type film/documentary and they talk about drivers dying. I'll cry there, and then hop into a race car and drive at stupid speeds without a thought because it's adrenaline-assisted. I think you kinda have to be a bit fucked in the head to be a racing driver, so I had to basically brainwash myself into not feeling fear. It's the only way that you can convince yourself to stay flat in a Radical SR3 RSX like the one I drove this summer, for example... Although, having said that, I was bored in it because it handles way too well and never feels knife-edge. I think Ferrari 458 Challenge Evo II is more fun. And the best part? Giving a ride-along to a kid who's maybe 11, maybe 12 years old and you're driving at the absolute limit of what the car can do and the kid is just shouting "faster, faster, faster!" Kids don't realise the danger at all. Then you get in with an adult who has never driven on track and give them a lap, and they're not saying anything... Scared but too scared to say anything... or screaming like Augusto Farfus' wife. The average person gets absolutely terrified by riding along with a racing driver at racing driver speeds. Then you get the other racing drivers who are riding along with you, and there are two types - the ultra serious ones who are still going to try to find you lap times or secretly judge you, or the ones who are having too much fun to care. I'm thinking of that video of an MX-5 passing Liam Lawson and Yuki Tsunoda on the Nürburgring; they're just dying of laughter the whole time. Neither proper racing driver is actually afraid until they're about to end up in the wall. There's a split second when something snaps or the brake pedal goes soft, or you hit a slippery patch, where you feel pure terror but 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the time, as a racing driver, you just don't feel fear. It's not there. You're too in-the-zone, too focused. Racing drivers just don't feel it. The problem is, you either start young enough to not feel fear from the get-go and never develop the fear, OR you push yourself to the breaking point where you get over your fear. There's no middle ground. You either start young enough to never feel it, OR, you practice it out of your system.
I always thought that the physics in iracing helped keep the racing clean. At lower levels its carnage but as you figure out how to be silky smooth you learn that being borderline out of control doesn't pay off. I have much better odds of a random diver not fully killing me when they are nearby in iracing than other sims. ofc the rating and license system is part of that but maybe the specific style of driving in iracing complements it. I love hustling a car in other sims but I'd always prefer to have close races. I said this on another video but its not like im training for my irl gtp career. Anyways I have to get back to huffing this copium.
I think it is a simple mistake in the data iRacing made. The GTPs were horrific in the rain, so much so that LMP2s were much faster in the rain I think iRacing then added wayyy too much grip to the GTP trying to counter act this problem but ended up giving the cars LMP1 grip..
Oh and the new GTPs are an absolute hoot, awesome fun to drive. Never cared for them that much before, but yeah loving them! The new sideways supercars also.
I am confused by one of your points. While the outcry for the recent GTP change has been loud, the complaints of the tire model, driving under the limit and generally wrong physics have been there constantly for years. The forums, UA-cam and reddit love to point these problems out. The only reason the current voices are so loud right now is because the GTP problem is so obvious and recent while the other problems have been around for a long time. Once this change is fixed I can guarantee you that the old complaints will come back into focus (assuming they aren't finally addressed by iRacing).
I agree with you the current "new broken" thing will get more hype behind it and that's why you dis prominently here about it but that in and of itself is quite an intresting thing that some issues people become apathetic to over time or just become accepted so long as they are more vague and complex issues. Most iRacers are like "yes tire model is not great but its ok and you just have to be carful" when in reality the tire physics and way you have to drive is honestly one of the most insane things in sim-racing on the grand scheme of things that a huge number of people just get used to and accept disproportionately because iRacing is the only sim that offers good competition and has great E-sports features and user base. Lol you even have high level promotional videos just waving off these physics issues where if the same promotional stuff were to use Project cars 2 or GT , forza or something else simracers would absoluty rip the shit out of them , but iracing largely gets a free pass. iRacing are doing there best obviously and are doing lots of work recently so that's fantastic its just funny this contrast and also the degree to which narratives are changing in the last year or two.
I get the feeling this is iRacing elites unhappy at the direction the tyres are being developed. Can't have the Unwashed Masses (excluding GM) beating the Gentry at their own game.
iracing finally has proper tires and they now realize how messed up the rest of their physics had to be to simulate the old tires in a reasonable fashion?
I subscribed just so i can feel that sweet satisfaction of unsubscribing if/when you say something i dont agree with. The ball is in your court James😎 I am enjoying all these uploads btw. Peace✌️
I enjoy sim racing mainly because real life is expensive and I have a smaller chance of killing myself in a sim. If i drove the sim like real life I wouldn't be fast.
But I don’t think anybody understands is there is a difference between accuracy and realism Cars in iRacing still need to be driven in a realistic manner in order to get the most pace out of them. We have seen proven examples for multiple people who started out in iRacing who have gone into real life, race cars, and have a very good pace off of the rip The fact that the GTP cars aren’t currently accurate to the real life, models doesn’t change the realistic way that you still have to drive them Do I think accuracy is important yes but I definitely feel like iRacing has at minimum nail down realistic racing
My biggest brain move so far was that I unsubscribe and then immediately subscribe again. That way I can enjoy unsubscribing on a brand new video without any preparation.
@ I edited my comment as I made a mistake as I was so excited to just unsubscribe again. But that would be even more interesting. Could be something like „the worst channel“ speedrun challenge. Imagine what you would need to do to get this honor. Other than that, great video James. As always 6 times thumbs up button. Just to be sure.
If you enjoy it!!! Enjoy it. It still is technically a game. I love sim racing, but its never going to be real world. Just enjoy it. Im stuck like a lot of people, just wanting it to be perfect!
My God you again.... how darre you say something like that about our one and only!!!! And on top of that you dare to incentivise critical thinking, not to mention thinking itself..... Shame yourself... Now, live! *angry emoji*
Tried iracing for 3 months My biggest issue with it is how slick the tires are compared to assetto corsa I slip out so easily while feeling like I’m barely going 10 mph but I’m also a trash driver and have been sim racing for 12 months lol
You have to roll onto the limit and generally drive under it in iracing , AC allows you to push into the limit and counter steer on power more naturally or purposely go into corners too hot leaning on tires. Honestly iracing clicked for me when I started to think of the cars as bobsleds with a trajectory based totally on entry speed. It's a good skill to learn to be honest
This is why Assetto Corsa is more realistic than iRacing. You can actually DRIVE the car and manipulate the tire scrub and weight transfer in corners and under load and you can drift the car!
Agreed, sims should actually be faster than real life. There is no fear of death! Car is theoretically perfect. (no variances in condition, engine is full power, no variances in quality of Tyres, etc...) Track variability. Have you had a chance to drive the new tyres in the SRF and L79?
Fear of death is really not an issue for Most professional drivers in most series ( you can even see this with how people drive in so many series lol ) - I need to make a video on this as its a bit of a meme
I think we all need to get over the iracing hype, they keep going on about how they are pinnacle of sim racing or a racing simulator. Its an upgraded expensive game. Yes the multiplayer matchmaking is without doubt the best out there at the moment. However if they wanted to make it more realistic how about :- proper qualifying with other cars on track, different tyre compounds, safety cars.... the three hours endurance should have safety cars...in fact all endurance races should have safety cars, Engine wear and some. At this moment in time I will carry on with iracing but soon another sim will take up these things and that will give me reason to change.... and save myself a fortune.
Every variable in the game was designed to be realistic in spite of the tire model. Now that the tire model is improved I'm sure those compensations are no longer necessary which is overbuffing the cars. Now they can readjust the rest of the game around this more realistic model. But I'm sure in their haste and in making more cars per year, they may have neglected certain aspects of the game. For example, I don't see any electric cars in this game like in RF2 so we know iRacing has never had the responsibility of making functional electric motor drives. Because of this I don't see why hybrids would be realistic when they've never put those systems under a microscope. But people will notice and they can stop the smell the roses now that there are more cars on the books
The electric Porsche Mission R is in iRacing. In terms of hybrid, yep it's wrong, I also think there is a halfway to be achieved something that is 'more real' but likely less complex than irl. I say this because whilst some chase realism, there is a balance to be had with those that don't want to spend their limited time racing tweaking hybrid settings.
Dear fellow iracers, Don't he salty, ita not his fault some of your wives are dating men with high T levels who go to ufc events, instead of Gamecon. Take it all in I love you
I just don't see how an error like this could happen. If you were making a car mod, then surely your simplest metric to build it to, is the speed it can do at various parts of a race track. They clearly have all that information from the real life series, so not matching them up in sim, at least vaguely accurately, seems very odd to me. Like how does that even happen!? It's as if they didn't even bother checking the performance of the car before releasing it.
One aspect you didn’t mention is that even if they get the tire model down 100% and it behaves literally like real-world tires do there is still a problem on top of that. They’re guessing about tire compound and construction. So their tire is never going to be the same as the real-world tire unless they can manage to talk tire manufacturers into giving them enough information to replicate them. Even dissecting tires to replicate things as best they can is still going to contain errors, and they’re still not going to get constructions perfect, and it would probably be even more difficult to get compounds correct.
I have lots of iRacing content from years ago and signed for a month. The physics of the cars are horrible compared to GT7. People have to tell you it's better because they have a lot of money invested in it. Not to mention the graphics are so 1990.
When you have a lot of skin in the "game" / money invested in iRacing, you are basically and subconsciously trapped and imprisoned into the system. Therefore with no way to escape because like a gambler, you have put too much in already, you bleed more into the game for more dopamine hits and there is no way anyone else is gonna prove its not a good choice for realism...... After all - you are a sim racer, so a great race driver, obviously. And then like minded iRacers think the same trapped subconscious thoughts and feeling and then, well..... its starts to smell like a harmless cult from outside. A dogma that cant be anything other than true and the best and can never, ever be ridiculed!!!
People need to get upset.More than ever. You don't learn/understand anything if people always say yes or what you want to hear. I don't play iracing so I can't get upset over this. Lucky me😂
People criticize like making software is the same as making pizza. It’s not that simple and throwing money at the problem will not solve it. It takes a lot of time to make ANY software work as intended. Point out the flaws and enjoy what we have, stop whining like little brats
Sounds like you are denigrating the process and art of making pizza and implying that its a trivial endeavour which i think is deeply offensive perfect dough perfect topping , proper pizza overn , perfect cooked !
It’s the FFB that’s awful for me, it feels like you are driving on glass, you cannot feel the tyres at all, no road texture, no kerb FFB. Even if you get texture on the straights, when you turn the wheel it looses all feeling, all you feel is the weight, it’s like a big elastic band. What’s the suspension doing, who knows. When you compare to LMU it is miles behind. Trouble is when all you drive is iracing, that is what feels correct. But to me it feels dead and even worse boring to drive.
Iracing has more dynamic range for tire grip than LMU though I think iracing is more a physics issue. But for sure LMU has more track texture , bump suspension compression FFB. Iracing road feel can depend lots on FFB wheel and FFB wheel settings , also newer tracks have 3D curbs vs 2d so they will come through FFB more naturally generally speaking. If roads feel too flat for you then getting tactile transducers is a great thing to get rid of that and is super immersive + cheap ☕👍
Why didn’t you tell me this before I was almost $1000 into iRacing? 😐😂😂😂 (obvious joke) I think it’s just disappointing because iRacing has perpetuated themselves as the most realistic, and this is the first time a “normie” who doesn’t know how the car is “supposed to drive” can see/understand how off this handling model is. One feels like they should expect better from a huge team at iRacing versus a team at Motorsport Games who continues to get cut. (And that isn’t me saying one is better than the other!- Motorsport Games’ previous sins are not at all lost on me)
@GamerMuscleVideos Are you really implying that Iracing is just a game and not a real life sim that nails it 100% ? You finally drank to much tea i think. Im going to unsubscribe, and then subscribe again, just so i can unsubscribe again the next time you say something upsetting. Cheers 👍
IRacing is to driving cars what Counterstrike is to shooting guns. Do you play CS for the realistic depiction of guns or the authentic combat? No, you play it for the competitiveness and the skill involved. The same goes for IRacing. The problem comes when IRacing fanbois try to convince themselves that it is anything more than that.
ironically CS started out as an attempt to make a more realistic tactical FPS , there is also an interesting aspect to how less realistic can be more realistic , i need to make a video on this topic as well as its a really interesting part of game design i don't see other people ever talk about. But yah all sims are also games and also models that are also quite abstract even when correct or very close to reality so that comes with a host of intrating aspects lol.
1) I enjoy iracing 2) They are improving physics and I love that they are working on things 3) ironically the speed issue is likely from them trying to make sim more realistic
4) I don't disagree with the cars being to fast 5) I explain why it's a more complex issue 6) I wanted to highlight the absurdity of people being this worked up over the speed but not the underlying physics at the limit that have been insane for over a decade. 7) CONSPIRICY What if they made it stupidly fast for week 13 so they could then reduce it and be like "we listened we the best" ? lol
Its interesting what people latch onto and what different people focus on and for why, I myself will focus and fixate on stupid things or on things disproportionately or for what is more or less relevant to me specifically and not to other people or other use cases as will everyone so its fun to try and think about what those things are for yourself and others.
Videos from real drivers being very clear about iracing insane handling
- ua-cam.com/video/Bh0ZQMeJv_8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AustinOgonoski ua-cam.com/video/q8g9y4t4Mus/v-deo.htmlsi=oXeJfKUZhxM2RkNZ&t=1021
I really won't overrule this as being a publicity stunt and a whole new version coming soon.
When people talking about 'unrealistic'', it is like - compared to what? To real life - we should be glad that sims aren't super realistic, cause we will never have all the feedback about conditions that we are getting in real life - without feedback it would just feel inconsistent. The level of detail we already have is a lot.
Compared to other sims? - I don't know - ACC that gets praised for super complex tire calculations and realistic gt3 physics, doesn't have a tire wear at all, you push those cars flat out for an hour in Hungaroring and get faster - is that realistic?
For the part about pushing slip angles and going bit over limit - it might be an issue for gt3 and other more mechanical grip sports cars more than an gtp which is very high downforce car, it should loose a lot of grip as soon as it gets sideways - you don't see formula cars using high slip angles in corners. But maybe my assumption that gtp is closer to formula car than gt3 type car is wrong.
great news tho is that the tires do feel like tires now. bad news is people won't be happy regardless XD I'm still gonna drive harder and harder till the wheels fall off and go again.
hopefully the oval side gets the new tires before the NIS series goes up, might make the NASCAR next gen cup cars actually good for once and I mainly drive them lol
as usual people cannot distinguish between a realistic physics model and realistic parameters
I've done 482kph in the MX5 on iracing. Admittedly it was vertically.
973 mph in a NASCAR truck for me. Get gud.
@@hpisloud1 wasnt the pickup cup was it had a car go to the moon the other day when the big one happened I saw the crash and one car took off like a rocket 😂
I think there is such an outburst for the GTPs because it is The Smoking gun that illustrate without the shadow of a doubt that there is indeed a problem with iRacing. People, except some bald youtubers are generally well behaved and good little abiding simracers. And it is so well known that iRacing is the pinnacle of simracing, that people aren’t sure if its them or the sim when something is off. No, it is clear that it is the sim that is off. Ence, why it is such a big deal
Someone has to do it. GTP.
You are living in the past LLM GPT racing is where its at now.
Also lol no way my dyslexic brain can cope with 3 letters that are used in different orders for a bunch of things and sound mostly the same GAME OVER !
pretty sure he did it on purpose
@@blacknovella Lol my brain processes words in ways that I don't even understand or expect , though there is often some logic to it just not one that's English lol.
Thank you. Saved me typing a comment.....wait....shiiiiiit
"Aye-relons" ailerons
The big problem is that people go around saying "it's the best...it's the best" and many confuse saying "it's the best" to include EVERYTHING and in its physics FOR ME it's not the best... It has the best online competition system BUT IN DRIVING it's not the best even close.
I agree 100% with what you say in this video.
It does without a doubt has the most realistic ffb and physics.
Iracing is the benchmark for real life. Real life needs to fix its physics. I mean we're already paying for content and have many many subscriptions in real life, only the physics now need a overhaul.
There is quite a number of people that I know that should probably watch this video. Utilizing lap time as a gauge to determine whether or not something is realistic, is a losing approach. If a sim car hits realistic lap times, but does so due to lowered engine power, reduced tyre grip, increased drag, no regenerative torque, etc, then is the sim car even really trying to simulate the real life counterpart?
Also, excellent points you brought up about the varying conditions present in real life vs simulators.
Yeah man, in fact the laptimes are not the issue, only the proof the issue exists.
@@danielebrambilla2290 I wasn't saying there aren't issues present, but lap times in general are only a good indicator if they are so significantly different than real life. It's not a catch-all flag.
@Schmawlik I didn't say that, I was actually agreeing with you 🤷🏻♂️
The thing is feeling is subjective, laptimes and cornering speeds aren't, which is why they are good enough indicators. Not a one fits all solution but surely it's better than just saying "I think this is not realistic".
@@danielebrambilla2290 I was just disputing the 'proof the issue exists', portion of the comment. Cornering speeds are definitely a better metric, in which case we know iRacing is off in this regard, which will lead to that significant delta to the real life lap times.
well the main issue is that these cars are driving as fast as an LMP1 was around le mans. This is an unacceptable release state for a game that costs this much, a big QA hole where no sane human could expect a realistic feeling on the new tyre model at release when you're giving GTP cars the speed of LMP1s. First of all, iRacing MARKETS ITSELF as realistic, its not just a tag people started giving it due to some features. Being an entire regulation set behind as far as car speeds go is insanely bad, because as someone else that i cant remember said in a video about this issue, a car should be fun in a sim because the real life counter part is. Le mans Ultimate is to me the best sim out there at the moment because the cars are exact replicas under all aspects of the real thing. The electric system of the LMHs is so advanced in the sim that you can literally adopt real life strategies in both the braking phase and the high speed corners playing around the electric system, especially by using that front tyres electric grip. You are on the limit and have to rely on that extra stability gained by using 10% throttle so that only the front wheel electric motors come in and save your ass, it's so noticeable in the Porsche curves at le mans. When iRacing gives it prime LMP1 era grip and aero, they're taking away the entire point of releasing for 14 dollars a car that is 80% different than anything else in that LMDh class. You cant even notice the main differences. I really suggest anyone playing iRacing to buy le mans ultimate, play offline for an hour or so trying at least 2 LMHs and 2LMDhs and feel the insane difference between all of them. That is what a sim should feel like, it could have the worst balanced cars ever but the sole fact that there is such a difference between cars and each adapt to a different driving style as real life ones do balances for that. A simulator should make me feel like i'm there, iracing makes me feel likes i'm part of something bigger than anything else in the sim space, but it never gave me the feeling of being in a real car as even assetto corsa can
I quit iRacing because of that physics issue, as well as the driving standards. I saw where they were taking steps to improve those things. So I signed up for another year. I must say, I was very impressed with the Lotus 79 (new tire update) and very much enjoyed a 20 lap race at Watkins Glen! Can’t wait for the full tire update.
I think if you want to race the GTP's in a more realistic way, just play LMU, if you want the competition system, play I Racing. LMU will continue to improve and with the userbase growing and the split system starting to work, and driver swaps comming, it will eventually become as competitive as Iracing. however That's only one series with 3 classes. I racing has a lot more to offer. I'll be able to simrace again in february. I'll buy both games and just enjoy both, one for the fun and competition and one for the fun and realism. It doesn't have to be only A or B look at blood types AB exists as well !
I guess what's funny to me is, the same people that are calling this out and are up and arms are also slobbing on the knob of LMU as the latest king, the most accurate and most realistic thing ever. Meanwhile, at spa, last week. The Top split guys were running low 2:17s in LMGT3 spec cars. The world record lap at spa in LMGT3 is 2:20.5 and some change. 3.5 seconds slower than top split race pace in LMU. Crickets.
I must say, after being an iRacing subscriber since about 2010, I love it. The worst thing that ever happened to me in regards to iRacing is I drove a real car competitively.
I find it so incredibly frustrating to enjoy in almost all the cars now. I still go there for the things you can't get anywhere else, but race there less and less.
You are right, it's flawed and impossible to communicate. This horrible GTP oversight has been a breath of fresh air in online discourse because it seemed iRacing detractors have been fighting an uphill battle for over a decade. If anything, the "meme" of the GTPs should serve as a cornerstone in discussions moving forward regarding iRacing's "realism", it acts as a conversation starter and eye-opener to all the things they get wrong. And if the focus is on that, they'll hopefully be motivated to fix it of the public is talking about it and not just some balding dude in his spare room who can't say "GTP"
"This video is going to upset people"
This is exactly why I'm here.
It's a bit difficult for us who have never driven a Hypercar to say it doesn't handle right or behave as it should. That's why the lap time and cornering speeds are what people are using. But, I'd rather have a realistic representation of a car. You can still have fun with that
6:09 "GPT stuff"
so iRacing physics are written by Chat GPT, now that explaines everything
Everything is AI these days
@@GamerMuscleVideosexcept the ai racing, that's scripted by Forza players
Seems like GTPs are a step in the right direction. Ill patiently wait another 15 years while the iron out the kinks.
The Morad thing was him comparing the GT3 car (with a setup) against the old one he drove (991), he admitted he hasnt driven the new (992)
Fair enough but the porsche cup car in iracing is insane , as is any car that tends to get right onto tires like Porsche tend to do. ironically porsche cup is the best car to drive in AC,ACC,RF2 lol due to how they need to be finessed and how they are sort of a dog of a car but also so drivable lol , needless to say they don't need to be driven like a brick laden bob sled in any other sim.
There are amazing onboards of Porsche cup races and drivers massively over driving them or just driving them quickly in slip looks amazing to drive but also super hard to be fast in.
The current thread on the iRacing forum is hilarious. People are DEMANDING this gets fixed immediately and are acting as if iRacing is manufacturing faulty baby car seats. People just need to chill.
Most Iracers don’t write anything in any forum about anything.
I hear you but things like tire models and handling can’t be boiled down to a single number like lap times or corner speeds. If there was an easy benchmark for the tire model that showed how bad it was, people would be just as upset!
I think the main reason why the GTP speeds have gotten way more attention than other physics issues is because they're obvious and measurable. Most of us have never driven a real race car, so we don't know what they're supposed to actually feel like. However, we have enough data that anyone can compare lap times and cornering speeds between iRacing and real life in a quantitative way.
Exactly what I was thinking. And also, even if I think the feeling through my wheel feels "wrong" or my pedals feels "wrong" people will just say it's because I'm using a G29 and need to upgrade my kit. (and they wouldn't be wrong!)
I just want to say I love how you "endorse" yourself at the beginning of the videos by encouraging people to subscribe and like the video, you still do it like everybody else but you do it in your own funny and unique way, which stands out.
Somehow i knew before the video started that he'd be complaining about iracings tire model lolol
Love the epic/dramatic background music, it helps set the grave tone of the accusations. Luckily we won't need to care about inferior simulators once AC Evo is released and humanity can be happy again.
The speed thing is truly silly on the new iracing car…but I did league races at Snetterton in the rain on iracing last night and it was loads of fun. But you can’t help thinking it would be better with better tyres. It still has that “I spun but have no idea why” feel. As a fellow Brit, I appreciate the tea jokes and self deprecation.
Really, this could be as simple as a couple things. One, yeah, the core simulation has an issue but that will possible be hard to smoke out since everything is so interconnected. Like any complex software. Small tweak over here causes crazy issues over there in seemingly unrelated areas.
The other "simple" possiblity is some typo is buried in the code.
Either way, it will likely get sorted at some point. Main reason I play iRacing mostly is the service it's self. Not as much the simulation. So many other sims are a ghost town online unless your life schedule lines up with a league. I can find a quick 15-30 min race almost at any time of day on any day. That stuff makes up for the issues. At least for me.
You know driving first corner in Sebring with 260kph instead 180kph like real life isn't fun on multiclass races. So I'd say if it was 20kph off novody cared. But its sometimes double the corner speed wich makes racing not easier. It's way more stressful esp. close racing.
Is it a tyre model problem? They've had countless 'new tyre models'. I gave up with it years ago.
You're really taking a controversial stance here....siding with real world racers is a bold move.
How do i go about seeing where the splits are on the course? The time splits. Can anyone help?
Looks much better aspect ratio wise!! Thanks mate!!
I 100% agree the nuance should be considered. We got the hot fix today well see
Moral of the story: Every sim has its flaws. This one was about iRacing.
It takes a bold man to make these statements 😁
Hair loss to 100
@@GamerMuscleVideos look, i would never joked like this but it was you who started it with Dave. Just to be clear on that.
I think its pretty simple. The blatantly obvious speed differences make it clear that the work just isnt being done. Yes, the other problems are more important but harder to explain, this is just blatant. Of course youll get pitchforks. Nows the time for you to say "told you so"
i'm not a fan of people complaining about lap times. I think people forget that the majority of people sit in a static rig so it is very hard to get a 100% realistic feel in physics. My complaint with the new physics on the GTP cars is the insane levels of grip where it feels like the car is on rails. It was funny to see Broadbent having the same reaction when driving out of the pits in Spa and just going full speed through Eau Rouge like it was nothing. That was my first experience with the new physics and I think it is fair to point this out.I am very happy that they are trying to improve the physics but this is aproaching Red Bull X levels of grip.
To illustrate the point just look at the difference in practice sessions when the F1 is somewhere in the middle east however what pissed people off wasn't that it was faster but why it was faster.
I'm unsure if it's already been mentioned, though I did have a skim through the comments but couldn't see anyone with the same thoughts.
I reckon the Ferrari has such high cornering speeds and grip because iRacing have no plans to BOP the GT3s currently in the sim down to the speed the LMGT3s run in WEC. I'm guessing (as I don't necessarily enjoy iRacing so stopped using the sim quite some time ago) the intention is for the Ferrari to join the LMDh's in their IMSA series (where IIRC the GTDs still run significantly faster than the LMGT3s) so as a result they've had to increase its performance relative to the cars it's going to run alongside.
That's not to say though that the car in real life isn't capable of the speeds the car is achieving in sim. BOP is applied in both series but we've not yet seen an LMH run in IMSA and, I'm happy to be corrected on this, I don't think we've seen a current LMH be let loose completely in a publicised test session to see how fast this current crop of prototypes can actually run when completely unrestricted.
Well iracing is supposedly on the fix already but god people go to far haha.
What i find funniest is people are talking about speed. Yet everyone i talk to who drives it says its the most fun they have had driving a car in iraxing for a while. So thats very funny to me.
SIMRACING IS NOT MEANT TO BE FUN !!!! - eventually iracing will end up driving like AC but with more depth no curb issue lol and people will be like oh this is well good and all the people that played AMS1 and AC for over 7000 years will face palm lol.
@@GamerMuscleVideoshaha exactly!!!! Hilarious
Sim racers need to get over it and realize there can be a noce balance of both. Also fanboying over a title is just absurd. You won't find me going acc is the best ever even if I main it. I like all sorts of sims I like having fun!!
@@GamerMuscleVideos exactomundo...
Funny how people talk about the Porsche Cup car being unrealistic yet i have met irl drivere who think its pretty close. Even had a supercup driver work on the car. The more I read, watch and drive things myself this whole tyres, physics, aero there is a layer on personal subjective experience to it.
I wonder if people are forgetting to take into account the threat of death if you so much as blink incorrectly at high speed. I bet most pro drivers can run a given lap time around a circuit that would be seconds upon seconds faster than their IRL times. And most of that would simply boil down to knowing that if you enter a turn too hot in sim, you can just tap Escape and restart your lap.
I'd wager a good majority of real world pro drivers , are well past the point of being worried about the danger , they are focused on driving and racing. If they were genuinely on edge from the danger they would drive worse most the time , also race driving is way safer than isl of Man TT and TT riders are calm as cucumbers.
Example I like to use , Super G skiing or Rock climbers , as a teenager I knew some kids that were training to be in Olympics and they honestly gave 0 shits about the danger lol and those ski slopes are insane , id happily drive around in a radical on any race track than even go down a super G track at half speed.
I'm not saying real drivers are not worried or it plays no effect on things but you can watch a ton of racing up to F1 where drivers are clearly not thinking about there or other drivers safty lol its even worse in rookie series where you would think there would be more concern.
Pro drivers are not leaving seconds of lap time on the table.
If you slow down because you are scared in a race car, I will drive faster without that fear. I've raced enough in real life, the fear doesn't get to me anymore until I watch a Senna/Rush/Jim Clark type film/documentary and they talk about drivers dying. I'll cry there, and then hop into a race car and drive at stupid speeds without a thought because it's adrenaline-assisted. I think you kinda have to be a bit fucked in the head to be a racing driver, so I had to basically brainwash myself into not feeling fear. It's the only way that you can convince yourself to stay flat in a Radical SR3 RSX like the one I drove this summer, for example... Although, having said that, I was bored in it because it handles way too well and never feels knife-edge. I think Ferrari 458 Challenge Evo II is more fun.
And the best part? Giving a ride-along to a kid who's maybe 11, maybe 12 years old and you're driving at the absolute limit of what the car can do and the kid is just shouting "faster, faster, faster!" Kids don't realise the danger at all.
Then you get in with an adult who has never driven on track and give them a lap, and they're not saying anything... Scared but too scared to say anything... or screaming like Augusto Farfus' wife. The average person gets absolutely terrified by riding along with a racing driver at racing driver speeds.
Then you get the other racing drivers who are riding along with you, and there are two types - the ultra serious ones who are still going to try to find you lap times or secretly judge you, or the ones who are having too much fun to care. I'm thinking of that video of an MX-5 passing Liam Lawson and Yuki Tsunoda on the Nürburgring; they're just dying of laughter the whole time. Neither proper racing driver is actually afraid until they're about to end up in the wall. There's a split second when something snaps or the brake pedal goes soft, or you hit a slippery patch, where you feel pure terror but 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the time, as a racing driver, you just don't feel fear. It's not there. You're too in-the-zone, too focused. Racing drivers just don't feel it. The problem is, you either start young enough to not feel fear from the get-go and never develop the fear, OR you push yourself to the breaking point where you get over your fear. There's no middle ground. You either start young enough to never feel it, OR, you practice it out of your system.
I always thought that the physics in iracing helped keep the racing clean. At lower levels its carnage but as you figure out how to be silky smooth you learn that being borderline out of control doesn't pay off. I have much better odds of a random diver not fully killing me when they are nearby in iracing than other sims. ofc the rating and license system is part of that but maybe the specific style of driving in iracing complements it. I love hustling a car in other sims but I'd always prefer to have close races. I said this on another video but its not like im training for my irl gtp career. Anyways I have to get back to huffing this copium.
Is this collection of videos a christmas special called the 12 rants of christmas?
I think it is a simple mistake in the data iRacing made. The GTPs were horrific in the rain, so much so that LMP2s were much faster in the rain
I think iRacing then added wayyy too much grip to the GTP trying to counter act this problem but ended up giving the cars LMP1 grip..
Kudos, earned yourself another proper (albeit entry level!) subscriber with this one. You're on a great run of videos now, having said that! 😊
Oh and the new GTPs are an absolute hoot, awesome fun to drive. Never cared for them that much before, but yeah loving them! The new sideways supercars also.
I am confused by one of your points. While the outcry for the recent GTP change has been loud, the complaints of the tire model, driving under the limit and generally wrong physics have been there constantly for years. The forums, UA-cam and reddit love to point these problems out. The only reason the current voices are so loud right now is because the GTP problem is so obvious and recent while the other problems have been around for a long time. Once this change is fixed I can guarantee you that the old complaints will come back into focus (assuming they aren't finally addressed by iRacing).
I agree with you the current "new broken" thing will get more hype behind it and that's why you dis prominently here about it but that in and of itself is quite an intresting thing that some issues people become apathetic to over time or just become accepted so long as they are more vague and complex issues.
Most iRacers are like "yes tire model is not great but its ok and you just have to be carful" when in reality the tire physics and way you have to drive is honestly one of the most insane things in sim-racing on the grand scheme of things that a huge number of people just get used to and accept disproportionately because iRacing is the only sim that offers good competition and has great E-sports features and user base.
Lol you even have high level promotional videos just waving off these physics issues where if the same promotional stuff were to use Project cars 2 or GT , forza or something else simracers would absoluty rip the shit out of them , but iracing largely gets a free pass.
iRacing are doing there best obviously and are doing lots of work recently so that's fantastic its just funny this contrast and also the degree to which narratives are changing in the last year or two.
I get the feeling this is iRacing elites unhappy at the direction the tyres are being developed. Can't have the Unwashed Masses (excluding GM) beating the Gentry at their own game.
iracing finally has proper tires and they now realize how messed up the rest of their physics had to be to simulate the old tires in a reasonable fashion?
Iracing tire models and loss of grip mechanics ie sliding and catching slides is insanely unrealistic.
I subscribed just so i can feel that sweet satisfaction of unsubscribing if/when you say something i dont agree with. The ball is in your court James😎 I am enjoying all these uploads btw. Peace✌️
Gm I think you’ve lost your edge. The only thing I’m mad at in this video is you calling them ChatGPT instead of gtp…
Extremely well said, iRacing community is incredible toxic and it does get pretty annoying no one pust them in their place.
NO BATTLEEEEEE!
I enjoy sim racing mainly because real life is expensive and I have a smaller chance of killing myself in a sim. If i drove the sim like real life I wouldn't be fast.
But I don’t think anybody understands is there is a difference between accuracy and realism
Cars in iRacing still need to be driven in a realistic manner in order to get the most pace out of them. We have seen proven examples for multiple people who started out in iRacing who have gone into real life, race cars, and have a very good pace off of the rip
The fact that the GTP cars aren’t currently accurate to the real life, models doesn’t change the realistic way that you still have to drive them
Do I think accuracy is important yes but I definitely feel like iRacing has at minimum nail down realistic racing
My biggest brain move so far was that I unsubscribe and then immediately subscribe again. That way I can enjoy unsubscribing on a brand new video without any preparation.
Sadly you cannot go into - unsubscribes but it should be a feture , so UA-cam recommends you content even less lol most unsubscribed channel !
@ I edited my comment as I made a mistake as I was so excited to just unsubscribe again.
But that would be even more interesting. Could be something like „the worst channel“ speedrun challenge.
Imagine what you would need to do to get this honor.
Other than that, great video James. As always 6 times thumbs up button. Just to be sure.
Based on my little experience in race cars and other drivers. Some cars are relatively realistic and others aren’t.
If you enjoy it!!! Enjoy it. It still is technically a game. I love sim racing, but its never going to be real world. Just enjoy it. Im stuck like a lot of people, just wanting it to be perfect!
My God you again.... how darre you say something like that about our one and only!!!! And on top of that you dare to incentivise critical thinking, not to mention thinking itself.....
Shame yourself...
Now, live!
*angry emoji*
How dare you to call Morad nice? Unsubscribe.
Tried iracing for 3 months My biggest issue with it is how slick the tires are compared to assetto corsa I slip out so easily while feeling like I’m barely going 10 mph but I’m also a trash driver and have been sim racing for 12 months lol
You have to roll onto the limit and generally drive under it in iracing , AC allows you to push into the limit and counter steer on power more naturally or purposely go into corners too hot leaning on tires.
Honestly iracing clicked for me when I started to think of the cars as bobsleds with a trajectory based totally on entry speed.
It's a good skill to learn to be honest
I find if I criticize real life physics and speed, then iracing makes more sense
This is why Assetto Corsa is more realistic than iRacing. You can actually DRIVE the car and manipulate the tire scrub and weight transfer in corners and under load and you can drift the car!
Agreed, sims should actually be faster than real life.
There is no fear of death!
Car is theoretically perfect. (no variances in condition, engine is full power, no variances in quality of Tyres, etc...)
Track variability.
Have you had a chance to drive the new tyres in the SRF and L79?
Fear of death is really not an issue for Most professional drivers in most series ( you can even see this with how people drive in so many series lol ) - I need to make a video on this as its a bit of a meme
3:34 traction…no pun intended
I think we all need to get over the iracing hype, they keep going on about how they are pinnacle of sim racing or a racing simulator. Its an upgraded expensive game. Yes the multiplayer matchmaking is without doubt the best out there at the moment. However if they wanted to make it more realistic how about :- proper qualifying with other cars on track, different tyre compounds, safety cars.... the three hours endurance should have safety cars...in fact all endurance races should have safety cars, Engine wear and some. At this moment in time I will carry on with iracing but soon another sim will take up these things and that will give me reason to change.... and save myself a fortune.
I want to complain about all those people complaining about people complaining . Drink more tea .
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to complain about this complaint
I still don’t understand why there’s a WEC car in with the GTPs. But I’m thick.
Every variable in the game was designed to be realistic in spite of the tire model. Now that the tire model is improved I'm sure those compensations are no longer necessary which is overbuffing the cars. Now they can readjust the rest of the game around this more realistic model. But I'm sure in their haste and in making more cars per year, they may have neglected certain aspects of the game. For example, I don't see any electric cars in this game like in RF2 so we know iRacing has never had the responsibility of making functional electric motor drives. Because of this I don't see why hybrids would be realistic when they've never put those systems under a microscope. But people will notice and they can stop the smell the roses now that there are more cars on the books
The electric Porsche Mission R is in iRacing.
In terms of hybrid, yep it's wrong, I also think there is a halfway to be achieved something that is 'more real' but likely less complex than irl. I say this because whilst some chase realism, there is a balance to be had with those that don't want to spend their limited time racing tweaking hybrid settings.
I find running on track in real life so much easier!
Dear fellow iracers,
Don't he salty, ita not his fault some of your wives are dating men with high T levels who go to ufc events, instead of Gamecon.
Take it all in
I love you
I just don't see how an error like this could happen. If you were making a car mod, then surely your simplest metric to build it to, is the speed it can do at various parts of a race track. They clearly have all that information from the real life series, so not matching them up in sim, at least vaguely accurately, seems very odd to me. Like how does that even happen!? It's as if they didn't even bother checking the performance of the car before releasing it.
I don't know, sims are complex 😆
One aspect you didn’t mention is that even if they get the tire model down 100% and it behaves literally like real-world tires do there is still a problem on top of that. They’re guessing about tire compound and construction. So their tire is never going to be the same as the real-world tire unless they can manage to talk tire manufacturers into giving them enough information to replicate them. Even dissecting tires to replicate things as best they can is still going to contain errors, and they’re still not going to get constructions perfect, and it would probably be even more difficult to get compounds correct.
Its GTP ffs >.
Lol welcome to dyslexia
I have lots of iRacing content from years ago and signed for a month. The physics of the cars are horrible compared to GT7. People have to tell you it's better because they have a lot of money invested in it. Not to mention the graphics are so 1990.
P G T… Please remember till next video, in no such order btw
lol im doing this
Yes iracng should get real life drivers in there and take some of their advice if they haven't already done it.
When you have a lot of skin in the "game" / money invested in iRacing, you are basically and subconsciously trapped and imprisoned into the system. Therefore with no way to escape because like a gambler, you have put too much in already, you bleed more into the game for more dopamine hits and there is no way anyone else is gonna prove its not a good choice for realism...... After all - you are a sim racer, so a great race driver, obviously. And then like minded iRacers think the same trapped subconscious thoughts and feeling and then, well..... its starts to smell like a harmless cult from outside. A dogma that cant be anything other than true and the best and can never, ever be ridiculed!!!
So... what you're saying is that people suck ? Yeah i know. but thanks for confirming. Good to know it's not just me ;-)
Its a video game and new shimmer is a floor polish.
Don't try to reason with iCultists. Any legit criticism will be aggressively dismayed and you will be called names.
Not going to listen to someone who cant remember 3 letters in order.
I just post for the alogrithm and my Ferrari GPT FLM (Fail Language Model - Aka Scuderia Ferrari Team Language)
‘There are links of pro drivers below the video talking about this’ where?
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.....but...but..but Jimmer said......
Can you make a video about opinion makers vs opinion makers
People need to get upset.More than ever. You don't learn/understand anything if people always say yes or what you want to hear. I don't play iracing so I can't get upset over this. Lucky me😂
Behold the egg of truth.
People criticize like making software is the same as making pizza. It’s not that simple and throwing money at the problem will not solve it. It takes a lot of time to make ANY software work as intended. Point out the flaws and enjoy what we have, stop whining like little brats
Sounds like you are denigrating the process and art of making pizza and implying that its a trivial endeavour which i think is deeply offensive perfect dough perfect topping , proper pizza overn , perfect cooked !
It’s the FFB that’s awful for me, it feels like you are driving on glass, you cannot feel the tyres at all, no road texture, no kerb FFB. Even if you get texture on the straights, when you turn the wheel it looses all feeling, all you feel is the weight, it’s like a big elastic band. What’s the suspension doing, who knows. When you compare to LMU it is miles behind. Trouble is when all you drive is iracing, that is what feels correct. But to me it feels dead and even worse boring to drive.
Iracing has more dynamic range for tire grip than LMU though I think iracing is more a physics issue.
But for sure LMU has more track texture , bump suspension compression FFB.
Iracing road feel can depend lots on FFB wheel and FFB wheel settings , also newer tracks have 3D curbs vs 2d so they will come through FFB more naturally generally speaking.
If roads feel too flat for you then getting tactile transducers is a great thing to get rid of that and is super immersive + cheap ☕👍
GPT Cars? Must be a new category I've not seen. UNSUBSCRIBED!
they race in LLM its the future m8
Dude: You save no idea what clasa You are driving? Delete the game, make the irenting community look like fools.
I'm tired of it already
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Why didn’t you tell me this before I was almost $1000 into iRacing? 😐😂😂😂 (obvious joke)
I think it’s just disappointing because iRacing has perpetuated themselves as the most realistic, and this is the first time a “normie” who doesn’t know how the car is “supposed to drive” can see/understand how off this handling model is. One feels like they should expect better from a huge team at iRacing versus a team at Motorsport Games who continues to get cut. (And that isn’t me saying one is better than the other!- Motorsport Games’ previous sins are not at all lost on me)
Your late to the punch...
lol I make like 2 videos a day and do 5+ hour live streams flight and driving sims and play all the sims so im a bit slow to cover some things :(
CarGPT
long story short iracing is a game not real life 👍 15 minutes summarized in a few words
That really was not the point of the video , sorry you now have to watch it at 0.3x speed 5 times as punishment.
@GamerMuscleVideos
Are you really implying that Iracing is just a game and not a real life sim that nails it 100% ?
You finally drank to much tea i think.
Im going to unsubscribe, and then subscribe again, just so i can unsubscribe again the next time you say something upsetting.
Cheers 👍
Terrible video? I don't want to like something not approved by others
IRacing is to driving cars what Counterstrike is to shooting guns.
Do you play CS for the realistic depiction of guns or the authentic combat? No, you play it for the competitiveness and the skill involved. The same goes for IRacing.
The problem comes when IRacing fanbois try to convince themselves that it is anything more than that.
ironically CS started out as an attempt to make a more realistic tactical FPS , there is also an interesting aspect to how less realistic can be more realistic , i need to make a video on this topic as well as its a really interesting part of game design i don't see other people ever talk about.
But yah all sims are also games and also models that are also quite abstract even when correct or very close to reality so that comes with a host of intrating aspects lol.
@@GamerMuscleVideos "ironically CS started out as an attempt to make a more realistic tactical FPS" IRacing and CS aren't so diffrent afterall XD
People are just being woke or something like that
This vid is rage bait