Thank you for covering this topic, it's so important people know the benefits of a plant-based diet. I had absolutely no idea, when I went vegan for ethical reasons 6 years ago, at the time I was very ill, I was overweight with a BMI of 36, suffering from heart disease, type 2 diabetes & hypertension & my quality of life was very poor. My cardiologist told me to try & loose weight, but nothing else I could do & I would be on medication for the rest of my life. So it came as a complete shock, when I was able to reverse all these conditions by being 100% plant-based & now I'm totally medication free. At 52 I'm now fitter & stronger than I was 20 years ago, I regularly train at the gym, enjoy yoga, running & mountain biking & my BMI is 23. My dad died at 56 from heart disease & I wish the benefits of a plant-based diet (in particular WFPB) was promoted more, so more lives can be saved.
Plant based diet is not the only thing that helped you. You changed a few other things in your lifestyle. Also, depending on where you live, meat may have just been low quality.
I liked the way both Will and Simon, who are fully plant-based themselves, accepted that fermented dairy, eggs, and oily fish were not detrimental to health. When people can talk in a non-extremist way, it makes me more likely to want to listen to them. I'm a big believer in not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Plant-based does not mean only plants, and I say that as someone who eats around 90% of my food from plants.
I am a keto-lacto-ovo-vegetarian. My labs are proof that eggs and fermented dairy are not harmful. The protein argument against plant based diets has always been malarkey. What isn't malarkey is B12. Also DHA and EPA. Getting enough omega 3s with no animal sources is expensive enough for me and I eat pasture raised eggs. Even with 4 pasture raised eggs per day, i need to supplement with algae derived EPA and DHA and crap is that stuff expensive. I could have a caviar habit for the same price.
meat, eggs and dairy are not detrimental to human health either. nor is fish or fowl. plant based was a political term to distinguish people who eat plants from vegans who have a bad name for never ending preaching and political activism etc... however being plant based is just health omnivore - and we know humans are omnivores and that meat eaters are not sitting around eating only meat, as has been the way since we came down from trees, we have always eaten animals and plants and thrived. it's only junk processed nutritionally devoid high calorie foods that are 'bad' for us. Over eating is 'bad' for us. Lack of exercise or movement is 'bad' for us. the foods nature provides for human evolution are not 'bad' - I never eat fermented foods and I'm in great health for my health. I eat a lot of animals and I'm in great health for my age. I also eat plants. That makes me 'plant based' I guess because I eat my meat with my veggies and my fish with salad etc.... and eat nuts and fruit. Many foods were for pickled, fermented for preservation in times when refrigeration was lacking, like salting and drying. Gut health wasn't a thing 100 years ago and yet people were healthier than today - less junk food I think.
Whole foods plant based diets are amazing. It doesn't mean that we can't be healthy with other diets, but i think most people will greatly benefit from eating more plants
I’m eating greens for breakfast: kale, Swiss chard, mushrooms, onion, tomatoes. I never expected it would hold me for 6 hours until I felt hungry again. Amazing.
Bec all that fibre has distrupted you hunger signals the way esting wood would do . Not being hungry doesn't tell you much. Alcoholics don't get hungry too.
Very good, nice to know about the proteins, I go to the gym twice a week , ride a push bike twice a week …. And became a veggie 4 years ago after changing my diet after a hit of cancer in 2016 and given a change of diet , dropped meat halfway through my lifetime choices , feel so much better for all it has taken me on
It is so true that you must let your kid take its own decision but you can trick them in to it. My son was in the sofa so I started a serie on the TV with Micheal Mosley in Australia. There he had two identical twins, one on a plant diet and one who eat meat. My son was playing on his laptop but then he got more and more interested. I didn’t said anything. Next morning he came and said he couldn’t sleep because he couldn’t stop thinking of the show. He had decided to try to be a vegetarian. And it is more than a month ago. He said he isn’t super strict. When he is invited or out with friends he can have meat but it is nearly an only vegetarian diet. He have had a lot of stomach problem and it is history now =)
but why? there's nothing wrong with eating meat from a nutrition perspective. most of the benefits in comparison diets are fat loss and we all know that brings benefits. active children are not fat adults.
@@totemheim I'm vegan for several reasons: Ethics, health, and environment. But ethics come first. If you wanna learn more, go look up the Dominion Documentary on UA-cam.
@@zachcain2639 Best example is the Nurses study. Quoting figures about 3% change giving someteen% outcome improvement - without accepting that those reporting as having more plant are also likely to be not eating less healthy stuff, i.e its better eating not the shift to plants
@@wavp7084 but that study has extensive multivariate corrections for potential confounders, plus the base rates of smoking/drinking are significantly lower than the general population. Were there some confounding variables in particular you think they should have controlled for but did not?
I don`t eat meat and eggs anymore as I started getting sick each time from it few years ago. I tried to cook all the legumes and grains in the different ways - it hurts my tummy so much I need to take ibuprofen after and I get so bloated that I even have stretch marks from it. My diet consists of veggies, fruits, I include dairy and sometimes fish & seafood, supplement with protein powder as well. I get sick from tofu and seitan. Cannot digest rice - prefer to cook potatoes, cool them down and reheat to change the starch absorption. I think diet really is trial and error while listening to your body responses to find the foods you can eat and feel great. There is no one correct approach for all of us.
If you try oats and get bloated with them too, then try organic oats, if that works better then this could be an autoimmune response. It can take a few years to overcome this with the diet that you are on, so keep going and include daily walking which should help.
I've had to turn to a plant based diet because of a medical condition, and I've been incredibly concerned about getting protein, and this has put my mind at rest. Thank you!
I never worked out when I ate animal carcasses and lactic secretions, as a vegan I’ve been able to build muscle just fine. “Protein deficiency” means starvation. If you eat enough whole food calories you’ll eat enough protein :)
Dr Mikton Mills has a very good master video that'll help you understand more about protein, highly recommend it: ua-cam.com/video/05pe-dzwvNg/v-deo.htmlsi=1W8WUP88xprYj11v
Dr. Christopher Gardner was interviewed on this channel in a video called "Everything you thought you knew about protein is wrong." He posits that protein is not a nutrient of concern if one eats a wide variety of healthy foods and plenty of calories. I found his explanation pretty convincing but I am still eating supplementary protein since I am trying to build muscle and I'm trying to maximize my gains as a vegan. I do think most people are likely to eat more than enough protein if they eat enough calories.
Another good master video on plant protein vs dead flesh protein is by Dr. Milton Mills, it's an amazing video which made me feel more secure consuming plants for protein: ua-cam.com/video/05pe-dzwvNg/v-deo.htmlsi=1W8WUP88xprYj11v
Oh, this is INTERESTING - another thing for Simon to add to his list of topics to discuss with Layne the point I'm talking about starts around @24:28 Layne makes the points frequently and SEPARATELY that 1. plant protein's less bio available 2. studies have shown meat eaters who eat a lot of vegetables are healthier than low vegetable eaters. He never reconciles points 1. with point 2 - to get healthier meat eaters must add vegetables, but that vitiates point 1 - that if you add vegetables to meat you'll reduce the bioavailability of the meat protein. Every time I've heard him talk about these things he keeps the points separate (and I think mostly in completely separate videos) - so for meat eaters "eathing healthy", who DO eat a lot of vegetables, what's the point of point 1.? Just make sure you have the studies in hand support this idea that plant protein is equally bioavailable when it has zero fiber.
Putting the bioavailability discussion aside, the issue that I don't feel like I've gotten a good answer to from both this video and my other reading has to do with the pure focus on "am I getting enough grams of protein?" question while not considering the all-protein-is-not-equal nuance. We're all worried about getting enough grams of protein per day, but while putting the how many grams is optimum discussion aside too, it seems to me that a missing part of the discussion has to do with addressing the ratios of indispensable amino acids (DIASS vs PDCAAS) to determine *how much* of those grams of protein that I'm ingesting are *actually usable* as complete proteins? You mentioned a half-hour in that the amino acids floating around my system don't know if they're from beef or tempeh, but you didn't mention that my ability to use that protein is dependent on having enough "legos" to effectively use it by having full complements of all nine EEAs available to build that complete protein. I know that leucine is often a limiting factor in being able to use the amino acids from a lot of plant sources, so me taking in a bunch of grams of protein is not doing me any good if I can't build complete chains with those amino acids floating around my body because my various plant-based sources are deficient in certain EEAs. Seitan, for example, is touted for how many grams of protein it offers as compared to beef as a way to "get enough protein"...but, while it *has* all 9 EEAs, it's lysine-deficient as compared to the other eight AAs. So what happens to those other eight EAA's floating around my system that can't form a complete protein and become usable? Am I peeing them out eventually or do they turn to fat (not sure if that's a thing?)? (Side note: I've heard that adding soy sauce to the seitan can help provide the missing lysine, by the way.) I want to stay as plant-based as possible, so I've been hedging my PB-proteins bet by also supplementing with an amino acid complex in hopes that I'm adding any missing EEAs to the protein that I'm ingesting so that I'm actually using the grams/calories that I'm taking in for muscle building. Frankly, I already feel like I'm taking in too many calories in my attempt to reach my protein/day goal on a vegetarian diet, but it seems to me that we're missing a very important part of this discussion as all we're focusing on is "how many grams am I getting??". I've not had much luck in identifying a good database of AA profiles for various proteins to try to educate myself on the various missing EAAs to ensure that I'm taking in complete chains of EAAs, but does the Zoe program consider this aspect of protein usability or does it base recipes/recommendations purely on macro numbers?
Don't worry or obsess about getting enough protein bc by the simple fact of consuming a plant based diet, you are getting more than enough protein. This master video by Dr. Milton Mills is a very good explanation about protein ua-cam.com/video/05pe-dzwvNg/v-deo.htmlsi=1W8WUP88xprYj11v
Agree. the number of calories and carbohydrates I would need to consume to get adequate protein would be way too much from all the data that I can run. Was hoping for an answer and didn't get it. I think all things in moderation is still the answer.
Tempeh, thinly sliced and deep fried with a light sprinkle of salt is one of my most favourite snacks. I'm omnivorous but I'd love to remove the guilt associated with paying someone to kill an animal for me to eat. Zoe podcasts are helping me to learn and to do better. It all makes sense to me and I appreciate that you don't dumb it down all the way :) Thank you so much. from Perth Western Australia.
lol! Anything deep fried will taste great not to mention destroy most of the nutritional benefits you get from it. Maybe you can give air frying or baking a try if possible.
@@peterpan408 raw coconut oil made in the Balinese village I'm staying in. But back in Australia it's just the organic virgin stuff from the supermarket.
tempeh or tofu well seasoned and crisped in the air-fryer is my go to!! big salad and a cashew dressing, maybe some garlic butterbeans and I'm sorted every day!! home made hummus (a vat once a week!) and super cheap sprouted seeds and peas (easy to do) and bobs your uncle fannys your aunt. I follow Simon, and Derek Simnett's cooking style
26:56 Its implied here that consumption of eggs increases the risk of cardiovascular disease, while lastest researches, several of them, have established other wise. ZOE should clarify on this.
@giorgimishvelidze some people have genetic predisposition that actually rises their LDL cholesterol from egg consumption, so technically not true that it's well-established.
At 4:12 "in 2024" could be removed to remain current. I love your work - you've helped me greatly to improve my diet and lifestyle. I'm heading home from my walk to get my regular nuts/seeds/frozen berries/kefir breakfast. Seasons greetings to all
Great information in this video. I didn't know that plants contain all the essential amino . But I do know that the first thing tge body does when we eat "protein" is break it down to uts constituent amino acids. As a vegetarian, I don't just eat a plate of lettuce for lunch. Or boiled potatoes for dinner. A plant-based diets assumes a wide range of wholefoods, vegetables and fruit. So a cascade of amino acids is on the plate. You can get all the amino acids yiu need from a piece of meat, and meat eaters tend to do this, and they in general don't get other important dietary elements. The meat industry is very powerful aand very wralthy and is constantly trying to stem the tide of plant-based diets. So we usually get prejudicial information from various media channels.
This is one of the best Zoe podcasts I have seen so far; and I've watched a lot. However, I am disappointed not to hear anyone mention the cruelty involved with eating meat. You inform people that eating plants is a good thing for health but you overlook the ethical implications. Zoe has a chance to make an impact on this issue; get people on side and try to put an end to the suffering of animals or at least reduce it. Why are you not taking this up?
I do agree but it's not Zoe's remit so I don't expect them to address this; one could say the same about the environmental impacts of e.g. eating more soya and nuts
@@Sarah-t9d5u If we can eat a healthy nutritionally adequate diet without eating animals, then promoting a vegan, or at the very least a vegetarian diet, is everybody's remit. Zoe has no excuse and nor does anyone else. We either pay people to unnecessarily slaughter and butcher living creatures for us, or we demand that it is stopped. The choice is really that simple. Looking away and living with cognitive dissonance is a really shit choice for a human to make in the 21st century and especially so for those that have significant influence. Wake up Zoe!!!
Dissappoined that when Simon talked about the "Nurses study" and reported someteen% improvement in health for 3% change towards plants, no one pointed out this could be driven by healthier lifestyles reflected by eating more plants not just a move to plants. Contrary to the balanced approach talked about in this podcast, my experience of Zoe is that eating anything "bad" wrecks your daily score rather showing an improvement for reducing the "bad".
@wavp7084 he glossed over it in the interests of time, he had actually done a full video on the study in which he talks about the parts of study that Layne Norton got wrong and also states that fruit and veg was equated for and the plant protein still came out on top. Do your research before criticising, I’m not even plant based but I make sure I hear all sides before coming to false conclusions!
@@christopheroutram4176 Not the point I was making. "more plant protein gives significantly better outcomes" is clear and would have been more appropriate given the short time available. Making numerically specific statements, e.g. 3% change is associated with big number% improvement, invites the question how much of that actually comes from related factors. The numbers come straight from the study, but even with WFR validation its still self reporting and the large confidence interval of the plant only data would normally lead to use of more rounded numbers.
Ive been gradually leaning more plant forward over time as a 46 year old guy who trains pretty heavy and consistently. As much as i appreciate the data and will continue to move more towards a plant based diet, it hard to argue that there is ANYTHING plant-based that is as satieting as A BURGER AND FRIES!!! 😅
I'm struggling to make the math work. Getting 1.2 g/kg of protein from plants every day requires consumption of an enormous amount of food. Reaching 1.6 g/kg is nearly impossible. With age, this becomes increasingly difficult as anabolic resistance increases protein requirements even as appetite decreases. And I didn't hear any mention of leucine thresholds, which are somewhere between 2.5 and 3 grams per meal to trigger muscle protein synthesis and very difficult to reach without animal products. How does one overcome these obstacles to building and maintaining muscle on a plant-based diet?
Exactly. I am an engineer and also like to analyze things, but look for efficiency, effectiveness, availability, and conditions and reliability. I am 50, went vegetarian for 4.5 years, two of those vegan. I was consuming a lot of carbs to keep my protein profile and a laundry list of supplements. At then end was too difficult for me and believe me I exercise a lot. I am a martial arts instructor and competitor. Muscle was simply not getting everything it needed and started developing connective tissue problems. I agree 100% that as you get older it becomes more difficult to depend entirely on plants.
Why do you think it would require an enormous amount of food? Protein is in all plant foods, so it adds up. And have you seen Simon and plenty of other vegan bodybuilders and athletes? They seem to have no problem overcoming these so-called "obstacles" and building muscle.
@@adrianhepton9362 And? Supplements aren't bad, they're a great way to complement your diet. Animal feed is also supplemented, so pretty much everybody is taking supplements anyway, directly or indirectly.
@@Hikari7775 It's like me saying, have you seen Thomas DeLauer, he only eats meat and he is huge...nonsense. Simon is not in his 50s. I am not sure if he ever suffered insulin resistance, or injuries from martial arts training. Like he says: recovery is key, so it is for me, with the amount of exercising. To get 150g - 200g of protein daily, how much do you think it requires in legumes, tofu, and processed plant based foods?
What about organic Quinoa? Any thoughts? I'm finding it a great replacement for rice! Loaded with protein and free from pesticide/herbicide in certain rice countries.
I wouldn't say its loaded with protein. Its only 8% when cooked so my husband would need 900g of cooked quinoa (containing 275g of carbohydrate - so not great if you're watching your blood sugar) to meet the daily protein requirement cited
It’s just not that hard to get enough protein. You don’t have to fuss over this. 1.6g per kilo of lean bodyweight is what maximizes muscular hypertrophy in studies. Most people don’t even go to the gym. Are you really finding it difficult to get enough protein from plants that you have to fuss over which grain is a good source? The whole message is you can eat a variety of plants and not worry about it. If you’re running out of calories then you either aren’t eating a variety of Whole Foods, you are completely sedentary, or you ruined your health with junk food and now fear carbs (or have some other disease you have to manage). For normal people just eat Whole Foods and you’ll get the pathetic amount of protein you need even if you’re a bodybuilder. 1.6g per kilo of lean mass is just not that much. But you have to eat Whole Foods and not be sedentary. If you eat 2000 calories of vegan processed crap a day you’re not gonna make it. If you eat 2500 of Whole Foods it’s not that hard.
Simon Hill is the founder of Eimele, a company that sells plant-based nutrition supplements. Nutrition supplements cannot be created with ingredients available in an average kitchen and presumably fall in the category of ultra-processed foods. It would have been honest to disclose this conflict of interest when he talked about more or less healthy types of ultra-processed food. Hill has a personal financial interest in making his supplements look healthy.
There is nothing inherently wrong with processing. It is the goal that food companies set for their ultra processing which *is not* healthfulness. The goal that food companies have is maximizing profit, not producing a healthful food. There is nothing inherently wrong with GMO either, it the goal thats the problem (which for Monsanto is so that their genetically modified crops can be drenched in glyphosate and not die. GMO could be used to produce tomatos that taste amazing and are rich in micronutrients, but instead the food companies just engineer them to grow as fast as possible and for them to survive harsh shipping..
all UA-cam cult leaders sell stuff this is no different. over on a another channel a certified dietician sells protein powder as well and touts a high protein diet (from animal sources included). According to them, it's healthy to eat more protein. According to vegans, less protein. I just ignore the lot - if you have to eat plant protein 'supplements' it proves your diet is deficient.
Can Zoe do a program about the bad stuff like oxalates in plants and what a good diet would like with that in mind.The program would need to be specific
@@WolfLuste oxalates aren't a problem. Don't eat spinach every day and you'll be fine. I just had a whole plate of spinach yesterday. It was cooked (dont eat raw of courae). Spinach is really the only commonly consumed plant with enough oxalates to be of any concern. Basically oxalates are a non issue.
Around min 41 there's mention of mice loosing muscle mass when they were treated with antibiotics but in agriculture it's been recognized for decades that it actually helps increase mass for pigs and chickens. I am still for a healthy microbiome, I just find that point a bit worth reviewing. In either case it does show that a stimulus to microflora can influence an animals mass.
I really really want to know for how many years these guys are vegan(meaning not eaten a single animal based and dairy) Simon Hill & Dr. Will Bulsiewicz and whether they take any supplements and if yes which ones because these 2 look very healthy and muscular so I need their daily diet for last 10 years!
Dr. Will B talks about his unhealthy past and reasons why he became a plant whole foods dieter in this video: ua-cam.com/video/5Ipz3lBhQGo/v-deo.htmlsi=UmhfPkdXSo5kJ2qq
Where do Quorn chicken pieces stand on the protein/ultra processed spectrum? How processed are they, and should I be cautious about eating this regularly instead of actual chicken?
Hello , Awesome to have Simon & Will on Zoe . Have been hopefully waiting for this 👍 In regards to Protein , I think it’s important to also mention besides the nutritional and healthy aspects of a plant based diet, that we mention also the animal cruelty and unnecessary breeding and slaughtering of animals for consumption of protein. Remembering that TASTE and CONDITIONING from an early age , FOMO and purposely misinformation by the meat industry that plays a significant influence on what people consume for protein . Take care .
Absolutely! Of course many dont take any of this into consideration and it’s only ever about physical health and building muscle and not the “spiritual” implications of eating violence, murder and abuse. 😢
The carnivore youtubers don't show the slaughtering of animals for food. I know some carnivores who believe dead flesh protein is better and have gone far enough to start consuming raw meat with dripping blood and raw milk.
When can people living in Thailand sign up to Zoe? I was tempted to join last week while in the UK but I don't want to mess your scientific research by pretending to live somewhere I don't live full time just to access the program.
Jonathan, feel free to introduce a story of Djokovic, arguably the best tennis player in history, who doesn’t eat animal food… and most of his achievements came after he became a more plant base. For clarity, I’m a carnivore and a very active person, so I cannot imagine how Djokovic manages it, but it’s definitely possible. By the way, he is 37yo and he is still a better than a majority younger pro’s.
Here are the highlights in case you want to just get the TLDL: 🌱 All plants contain all nine essential amino acids. 💪 Plant-based protein is just as effective for muscle building as animal protein. 🧬 The body breaks down protein into amino acids, regardless of its source. 🍽 It’s possible to achieve optimal protein intake with a plant-based diet, including beans, lentils, tofu, tempeh, nuts, and seeds. 🥗 Replacing animal protein with plant-based protein sources can significantly reduce the risk of chronic diseases and improve healthy aging.
all good except the last, that's a lie. if you eat animal proteins and don't have 'chronic disease' then it proves you have no risk. over eating junk food and being obese and not exercises, and being micronutrient deficient leads to disease, not 'animals proteins' how the HELL do they think humans evolved in various parts of the world living on animals and plants if animals are detrimental to health?
Care to get into lower back pain & sciatica? In particular - during episodes it feels like I'm 20 years older - slower movement - balance issues as if the sense of balance or muscle control has been impacted. That's due to the body limiting it's use of affected muscles which result in aches & pains? Any diet suggestions? Exercises and stretching seem to help at times - other times it's just months to come out of it and sometimes the symptoms persist for years. A spinal MRI can be revealing - and then one will end up talking to a surgeon about laminectomy or other procedure ...
A question for all those who don't eat meat on a "moral" basis - given the amount of crop sprays that are used, how small does a living organism have to be for you not to care if it is killed so you can have plant food?
It's good that every nation's dietary guidelines are moving towards recommending mostly plant foods (75% of calories) with allowance for fish, eggs and dairy.
This is interesting. However I’ve been listening to Dr Gabriella Lyon who is everywhere at the moment with the latest evidence. Just finished her podcast with Ken berry. She pointed out that while you can eat a plant based diet only you would need a lot more of those foods to get the same amount of amino acids you would from animal protein. Example something like 6 cups quinoa to get the same amounts of amino acids from a chicken breast. She has a very good point. While plants are great they alone don’t give the average person (the amount the average person is able to consume) enough amino acids unless your super on it protein wise. Would love thoughts on this?
The body's pituitary gland controls how muscle is built after exercise. For those of us whose Pituitary gland is defective to some or a large degree, what can we eat or take as a Supplement to help our impaired Pituitary Gland? With the goal of keeping/growing our muscle mass-especially into old age?
What about soy milk that doesn’t have additives. Literally just soy and water. 9g of protein per 100 calories. You get used to the unflavored taste and now the more processed stuff tastes weird to me.
@@CarlYota soya plants are routinely sprayed with glyphosate, pesticides, fertilizers which are readily absorbed. Is this not a worry too in such concentrations?
Hang on! Tim Spector told us to eat ‘FRESH, LOCAL, SEASONAL, MINIMALLY PROCESSED’ foods. I ive in the UK so finding plant protein that fits Tim’s critiria is not possible with plants only. However, animal protein that is fresh, local, seasonal and unprocessed is easy. Food miles appear to by overlooked by these plant eating promoters.
The environmental impact of growing soy isnt mentioned. My local dairy farm and neighbouring sheep and beef herds are where I get my food. Although a wide range of cereals and vegetables are grown the amount of pesticides and artificial fertilisers used really puts me off eating them
Yes exactly , Zoe is just another plant based biased channel, I unsubbed now that I know this. You can't get all the amino acids from plants, the body doesn't absorb them all whereas meat you will. I got sick eating plants and now I'm carnivore and thriving, as are many other people .
I live in a big farming area but the majority of animals are kept indoors in big barns and fed in there. I struggle with this as it doesn’t feel natural and I worry about the meat that is being sold from animals reared this way.
Very interesting & insightful overall, I leant a lot! What plant source would replace omega 3’s, DHA & EPA supplied by oily fish? Apparently the transformation of ALA’s from plant based omega 3’s is a very inefficient conversion into DHA &EPA!
@@carlyholds5331 As the omega 3’s is bio-concentrated it is in a much higher concentration in the cold water fish than in the algae! You would be eating a huge amount of algae to get the same effect.
on only plants diet you should ofc supplement B12, but in the modern times everyone, even omnivores, should be aware of B12, because deficiency can build up for years ... fun fact, farmed animals are suppplemented with B12 also, because of more clean food they are getting
Thanks for this i use plant base milk contains vit b12 calcium and iodine good amount of protein and yogertwith added vitamins no sugars i know they are processed but worth the trade off im an older woman making sure i get enough protein calcium is important as a vegan
I don't know why people make it sound difficult to eat a plant based diet. It's simple. Beans, nuts and seeds replace your traditional animal protein sources. Eat everything else you normally eat. There are hundreds of plant based recipes online. While a whole foods plant based diet is healthier than an omnivorius diet, the main reason to eat a plant based diet is to spare animals the horrors of the animal agriculture industry. That industry doesn't have to exist because we can eat plants exclusively.
Nice in tbeory but I cannot tolerare legumes, grains or soy. I tried for two years and every night was gas and bloating, plus weight gain, estrogen dominance, depression, brain fog, loss of libido and shortened cycles (less fertile). Not everyone can do vegan or vegetarian. Look up the autoimmune protocol diet, it excludes grains, legumes, nuts, soy, wheat. There's a reason for that. There's no discussion here of how many people have fodmap intolerance, poor digestion and low biome diversity, as well as the amount of carbs from grains and legumes one has to consume to get to adequate protein levels. Also, meat is certainly not just about protein, but heme iron (menstruating women can't absorb non heme well, especially with mthfr issues), zinc, b12, taurine to name a few. Let's not forget that many people can't convert plant omega 3 into the active form. A very disappointing discussion apart from the information about the raw food animal studies creating misinformation around bioavailability. And most people are already plant based. Most people are already eating 70% plants in their diet.
Lupin beans are interesting. The kind I have essentially claim to be just fiber and protein. They are just okay in terms of eating experience. But I just don’t find it difficult to eat enough protein so I do t need to resort to such exaggerated sources. So they continue to sit on the shelf.
Strange nothing was said about the importance of combining certain protein rich food such as pulses with whole grain so that the aminoacids combine to give you a complete protein.
There are different types of aminoacides and the body needs them in specific ratio/amount. Because the combination in plants does not match the need, you must simply eat more total plant protein than animal to make sure you have enough of each type. And thats pretty difficult. Simple as that.
A valid concern but do mind that animals are fed the same plants and that pesticides/insecticides build up in their tissues resulting in a higher intake of pesticides indirectly if you consume animal products. Of course of you want to be safe you can get everything organic but it's more expensive.
One point you are avoiding is that a human must eat a bushel basket full of plants at each meal to get full. Eating that much at each meal gets to be too much over time.
Hearing the background scientific processes to these dietary questions is always interesting because it’s importand to understand what’s going on in the body. But when it comes to the results of trials, the science can be misleading, because none of us is Mr or Mrs Average. It’s all very well citing the average health outcomes from a study, but that doesn’t mean the conclusion always applies to you or me. So while I believe the findings Simon cites about bioavailability (only a small % improvement in absorption from animal protein compared with plants), my experience tells me that my body struggled to cope when I went vegan 20 years ago. Over ten years I lost muscle mass and my health suffered. Since I started esting mest again I’ve seen an improvement. I still have a mostly plant-based diet, but my body seems to need some animal protein.
There are so many vegans that do vegan incorrectly. It's not the plant-based food. It's the ignorance of the people who try it. There are NFL football players who are on vegan diets. Carl Lewis, one of the greatest athletes, was and may still be vegan. The science is NOT at all misleading.
@@JakeRichardsong The whole point of Zoe is supposed to be personalisation - there’s no one size fits all diet (not even veganism): you need to work out what your own body needs, how it works best. Zoe’s supposed to help you do that. The kinds of studies cited by Simon are really aimed at policymakers: they are telling you what holds true at a population-wide level; but they don’t and can’t tell any individual, with a high degree of certainty, what will be good for them. That was my point. Citing individual examples is irrelevant to me: I don’t have Carl Lewis’s genes or his microbiome! I think when Jonathan often challenges his guests based on his own personal experience, he is gently trying to make this point. Good on him for doing so.
Love the content, very informative. Thanks as always. The one annoying thing for me was the casualised sexism. Would be really great to hear how you learnt to cook plant-based protein, rather than your wife.
how come that buckwheat is always missed when it comes to amino acids balance? Buckwheat is there with quinoa and it is eaten by more people than quinoa.
Awesome ❤ Plants Rocks i am feeling great being Plant base my Protein and Calcium increased and im 48 eating a lot of different varieties including nuts seeds beans tofu chia flax legumes Soy grains all vegetables and fruit and the list goes on
cut out UPF, sodas, alcohol and sugar from your diet. eat single ingredient whole foods , vegetables, salads, fermented foods, nuts, fish , meat and eggs. Above that work what out supplements you really need. You will thrive like never before. Good planning needed and allow enough time every day to achieve your goals. You cant flip a switch and do this overnight. It took us almost 6 months to make the transition. We will never go back.
Understanding and making up a theory is one thing. We need a result . When people have chronic and painful disease , they would like to get heal quickly . Rather than debating or keep learning different polarized opinion which taking time and sometimes years of learning and after those years you still getting sick., I suggest try to do carnivore for 1 month. You will find almost all chronic disease starting to get improve. I spent years of learning all about health and at the end the prove is the pudding . Let the expert debating opposite view and do experiment with carnivore for 1 month and you have your answer and notice how well your body function and how well all of your chronic disease disappearing . Expert opinion or knowledge is one thing and it does not matter if it does not concur with your experience
More strawmen than you can shake a stick at in a Lowry painting. No quantitative analysis of the meal amino acid composition required to stimulate muscle protein synthesis ...j ust a smug reference to a study on plant based men in their twenties and irrelevant piffle about balance in daily intake. Come on Zoe you can do better than this. Bring on the experts Drs Don Layman and Gabrielle Lyon.
@woodlakesound Yes the body recycles amino acids daily as it's a critical component/building block for every cellular including hormones, enzymes, biochemical reactions, cell structures etc. This is why we are not supposed to have amino acids in the urine (we routine test for the smallest molecular weight albumin..its presence indicates renal issues as the nephrons can't reabsorb it). And your point is? Clearly explain how exactly this implies that you don't need the exogenous essential amino acids in the right amount. Remember that amino acids such as Methionine, Leucine and Lysine are essential n the right concentration (rate limiting) to trigger the mTOR cascade for protein synthesis among many other things. I am aware that plant based "scientists" have that idea the mTOR cascade "promotes" inflammation...factually incorrect "interpretation" based on half-truths. More on that another time if I get a moment after I've fully watched this video at some point. Just browsing the comments for now. I have commented in length on ZOE as an experienced clinical/research scientist myself (my comments are among the longest on YT so you can't miss them if you go looking...if they are still around...some tend to disappear). ZOE's content is undoubtedly "pro plant-based" based on demonstrably cherry picked and biased publications or based on twisted interpretations of science. At best they'll say fish and eggs are "kinda sorta ok" to give the illusion of being "balanced" but that's about it. Ultimately their message is that humans are better off going purely "plant based". I have no issues with making plants (whole food) PART of a healthy human diet. There is however absolutely ZERO "unbiased" science that can demonstrate that humans should "completely" remove unprocessed animal based food from their diet. That notion is purely based on ideology and conflict of interest and this can be clearly demonstrated by unbiased facts (you won't get "facts" from "mainstream" science/sources and purely plant based sources). The issue is that most who are plant based from the masses do not possess anywhere near enough scientific/clinical knowledge to critically appraise the information they are being fed by biased "experts". Add Simon HIll in the mix and I can already predict what the "conclusions" of this video are going to be....
Yes, all plants contain all the necessary amino acids, but not always in the right proportions. you'd have to do some serious maths to combine the foods in such a way that you can get the correct proportions. Not everyone is able to do that. You also end up ingesting a lot more carbs to achieve the right amount of protein (pulses are mainly carbs). With a piece of fish or meat you know you get the amino acids in the right proportions and there are no carbs involved. I think a varied diet which includes animal protein is easier for most people.
@@woodlakesound Yes the body recycles amino acids daily as it's a critical component/building block for every cellular including hormones, enzymes, biochemical reactions, cell structures etc. This is why we are not supposed to have amino acids in the urine (we routine test for the smallest molecular weight albumin..its presence indicates renal issues as the nephrons can't reabsorb it). And your point is? Clearly explain how exactly this implies that you don't need the exogenous essential amino acids in the right amount. Remember that amino acids such as Methionine, Leucine and Lysine are essential n the right concentration (rate limiting) to trigger the mTOR cascade for protein synthesis among many other things. I am aware that plant based "scientists" have that idea the mTOR cascade "promotes" inflammation...factually incorrect "interpretation" based on half-truths. More on that another time if I get a moment after I've fully watched this video at some point. Just browsing the comments for now. I have commented in length on ZOE as an experienced clinical/research scientist myself (my comments are among the longest on YT so you can't miss them if you go looking...if they are still around...some tend to disappear). ZOE's content is undoubtedly "pro plant-based" based on demonstrably cherry picked and biased publications or based on twisted interpretations of science. At best they'll say fish and eggs are "kinda sorta ok" to give the illusion of being "balanced" but that's about it. Ultimately their message is that humans are better off going purely "plant based". I have no issues with making plants (whole food) PART of a healthy human diet. There is however absolutely ZERO "unbiased" science that can demonstrate that humans should "completely" remove unprocessed animal based food from their diet. That notion is purely based on ideology and conflict of interest and this can be clearly demonstrated by unbiased facts (you won't get "facts" from "mainstream" science/sources and purely plant based sources). The issue is that most who are plant based from the masses do not possess anywhere near enough scientific/clinical knowledge to critically appraise the information they are being fed by biased "experts". Add Simon HIll in the mix and I can already predict what the "conclusions" of this video are going to be....
@@youbeever no need to stress about it, how bout that for starters. The protein mania is so ridiculous. The most overfed generation worrying about getting enough 😂
Hey Jonathan, soon your son will realise being a vegetarian, even more a vegan, will be seen as very cool and quite attractive to others. Makes someone interesting and little alternative. There will be a time, may not be in our lifetime, when being plant based is the norm. It is the future.
i cut out all vegetables only eat eggs, grass fed lamb and beef and fatty fish, eat sheep yoghurt and half a serving of fruit in my yogurt never felt better. too much vegetables, nuts and seeds were killing my gut.
I think everyone is different. I feel better on plant based diet. I think the key is to avoid any processed foods and you will benefit greatly. Some people do feel better consuming meat.
Have you heard or are aware how bad dead flesh is going to affect your body? Not to mention horrible acidity, sulfúrico stinky smells, poison bile, created antibodies leading to autoimmune diseases? It's not a forever, long term diet, scientifically it beings you sick benefits in the long run. Dr. Will B. did a very good video about it with experiments, studies, and his own personal story with meat which eventually lead him to a plant based diet. Highly recommend that video.
I’ve been a Zoe participant since it started and I’m an arable farmer. But I’ve come to realise that our diets, our lifestyle, our health outcomes are all linked in some way to the way we produce, process & consume food sources. This is an extremely far reaching and complex subject. The tendency to attach a label to your diet such as ‘vegetarian’ & assuming that all is ok isn’t necessarily the whole story. For example consuming vegetarian or vegan products may on the face of it seem to be healthy but if they’ve been produced in an unsustainable way that degrades soil health or the environment, that are nutrient poor or has been ultra processed or has exploited poor people then the issue becomes less clear. What we all need to know a LOT more about farming methods, food nutrient density, food processing, food labelling, food retailing, and broader environmental issues.
Always interesting to listen to your podcasts, but don’t you think you should be aiming for more balance with your interviews? You often seem to be very “pro-Plant” with regard to your “expert” guests. Why don’t you invite more guests who are experts in junk-food-free Omnivorous, Ketogenic, or possibly even “carnivore” diets? There’s a lot to be said for unprocessed animal protein (be it meat, fish, or shellfish) in terms of human health and balanced nutrition. Also, a Plant-Based method (though it can certainly be healthy) may well involve more thought and preparation time, diligance / complexity in terms of gaining the nutritional benefits that are naturally available…and also highly absorbable…from animal and fish protein.
Well, this is evidenced based and it looks like there just isn't much evidence to support carnivore diets being beneficial for long term health and protective against chronic illnesses. I think there may be a possibility for an interview on vegan ketogenic diets, though, as there are some benefits in using it for certain conditions.
@@chiyerano Depends which science a particular “UA-cam expert” chooses their hyper-available, web-sourced research findings from, in order to lend credence to their particular agenda…be they Plant-Based, or “Carnivore”. As an Omnivore, I support unbiased, open-minded research and communication for all.
@@stevelanghorn1407Well, I get my information from other sources besides UA-camrs like researchers and dietitians who have looked into these matters. You may be able to find some of their findings information on Google scholar and other places like the Nature publication.
Thank you for covering this topic, it's so important people know the benefits of a plant-based diet. I had absolutely no idea, when I went vegan for ethical reasons 6 years ago, at the time I was very ill, I was overweight with a BMI of 36, suffering from heart disease, type 2 diabetes & hypertension & my quality of life was very poor. My cardiologist told me to try & loose weight, but nothing else I could do & I would be on medication for the rest of my life. So it came as a complete shock, when I was able to reverse all these conditions by being 100% plant-based & now I'm totally medication free. At 52 I'm now fitter & stronger than I was 20 years ago, I regularly train at the gym, enjoy yoga, running & mountain biking & my BMI is 23. My dad died at 56 from heart disease & I wish the benefits of a plant-based diet (in particular WFPB) was promoted more, so more lives can be saved.
Plant based diet is not the only thing that helped you. You changed a few other things in your lifestyle. Also, depending on where you live, meat may have just been low quality.
@@morespinach9832 Eating plant-based alone, without exercise, lowers cardiovascular morbidity and mortality.
Plant based is just another term for slow poisoning.
you lost weight that's why your health improved. you could have achieved the same thing eating meat and vegetables.
@@conworldus8310 while I like carnivore diets etc I also don’t think plant based is slow poison. What leads to this dramatic conclusion?
I liked the way both Will and Simon, who are fully plant-based themselves, accepted that fermented dairy, eggs, and oily fish were not detrimental to health. When people can talk in a non-extremist way, it makes me more likely to want to listen to them. I'm a big believer in not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Plant-based does not mean only plants, and I say that as someone who eats around 90% of my food from plants.
Yes, except I take 90% plant based to mean the other 10% to include mushrooms and lichen which aren't really plants or animals.
Agreed. Good point.
I am a keto-lacto-ovo-vegetarian.
My labs are proof that eggs and fermented dairy are not harmful.
The protein argument against plant based diets has always been malarkey. What isn't malarkey is B12. Also DHA and EPA. Getting enough omega 3s with no animal sources is expensive enough for me and I eat pasture raised eggs. Even with 4 pasture raised eggs per day, i need to supplement with algae derived EPA and DHA and crap is that stuff expensive. I could have a caviar habit for the same price.
meat, eggs and dairy are not detrimental to human health either. nor is fish or fowl. plant based was a political term to distinguish people who eat plants from vegans who have a bad name for never ending preaching and political activism etc... however being plant based is just health omnivore - and we know humans are omnivores and that meat eaters are not sitting around eating only meat, as has been the way since we came down from trees, we have always eaten animals and plants and thrived. it's only junk processed nutritionally devoid high calorie foods that are 'bad' for us. Over eating is 'bad' for us. Lack of exercise or movement is 'bad' for us. the foods nature provides for human evolution are not 'bad' - I never eat fermented foods and I'm in great health for my health. I eat a lot of animals and I'm in great health for my age. I also eat plants. That makes me 'plant based' I guess because I eat my meat with my veggies and my fish with salad etc.... and eat nuts and fruit. Many foods were for pickled, fermented for preservation in times when refrigeration was lacking, like salting and drying. Gut health wasn't a thing 100 years ago and yet people were healthier than today - less junk food I think.
@@Petunia-fl9lu people were healthier 100 years ago precisely because their gut microbiome wasn't annihilated by antibiotics and processed foods.
Whole foods plant based diets are amazing. It doesn't mean that we can't be healthy with other diets, but i think most people will greatly benefit from eating more plants
I’m eating greens for breakfast: kale, Swiss chard, mushrooms, onion, tomatoes. I never expected it would hold me for 6 hours until I felt hungry again. Amazing.
Bec all that fibre has distrupted you hunger signals the way esting wood would do . Not being hungry doesn't tell you much. Alcoholics don't get hungry too.
Very good, nice to know about the proteins, I go to the gym twice a week , ride a push bike twice a week …. And became a veggie 4 years ago after changing my diet after a hit of cancer in 2016 and given a change of diet , dropped meat halfway through my lifetime choices , feel so much better for all it has taken me on
It is so true that you must let your kid take its own decision but you can trick them in to it. My son was in the sofa so I started a serie on the TV with Micheal Mosley in Australia. There he had two identical twins, one on a plant diet and one who eat meat. My son was playing on his laptop but then he got more and more interested. I didn’t said anything. Next morning he came and said he couldn’t sleep because he couldn’t stop thinking of the show. He had decided to try to be a vegetarian. And it is more than a month ago. He said he isn’t super strict. When he is invited or out with friends he can have meat but it is nearly an only vegetarian diet. He have had a lot of stomach problem and it is history now =)
but why? there's nothing wrong with eating meat from a nutrition perspective. most of the benefits in comparison diets are fat loss and we all know that brings benefits. active children are not fat adults.
@@Petunia-fl9lu my son is 38 =)
Vegan for 7 years and I’m much more muscular than I was 7 years ago. Protein isn’t a problem
Same 😉 but that's because we started working out more isn't it?
the actual problem is why are you vegan in the first place??? Why avoiding meat?
@@totemheim I'm vegan for several reasons: Ethics, health, and environment. But ethics come first. If you wanna learn more, go look up the Dominion Documentary on UA-cam.
@@jumano Not for me. I've been working out in the gym consistently for the last 10ish years
@@totemheimnobody ever talks about how healthy meat is. They talk about how healthy plants are. That’s why
Love Simon Hill, explains things clearly and honestly
He is also smug and thinks he knows everything too.
@@TeeGarnobody knows everything but he is very knowledgeable.
@@TeeGar can you give some examples where he made you feel like that?
@@zachcain2639 Best example is the Nurses study. Quoting figures about 3% change giving someteen% outcome improvement - without accepting that those reporting as having more plant are also likely to be not eating less healthy stuff, i.e its better eating not the shift to plants
@@wavp7084 but that study has extensive multivariate corrections for potential confounders, plus the base rates of smoking/drinking are significantly lower than the general population. Were there some confounding variables in particular you think they should have controlled for but did not?
I enjoyed this podcast very much and the three of you make good chemistry together. Thanks for all you do and provide us much "Food for Thought."
I don`t eat meat and eggs anymore as I started getting sick each time from it few years ago. I tried to cook all the legumes and grains in the different ways - it hurts my tummy so much I need to take ibuprofen after and I get so bloated that I even have stretch marks from it. My diet consists of veggies, fruits, I include dairy and sometimes fish & seafood, supplement with protein powder as well. I get sick from tofu and seitan. Cannot digest rice - prefer to cook potatoes, cool them down and reheat to change the starch absorption. I think diet really is trial and error while listening to your body responses to find the foods you can eat and feel great. There is no one correct approach for all of us.
you obviously have gut issues go see a gut specialist, have you been tested for H Pylori etc?
If you try oats and get bloated with them too, then try organic oats, if that works better then this could be an autoimmune response. It can take a few years to overcome this with the diet that you are on, so keep going and include daily walking which should help.
@@EgleA-u8e more meat for the rest of us, thanks!
stop taking ibuprofen or there will be stomach cancer.if you are bloated, it means, that you eat to much carbs.
@@peanutnutter1 why would it be an autoimmune response?
I've had to turn to a plant based diet because of a medical condition, and I've been incredibly concerned about getting protein, and this has put my mind at rest. Thank you!
I never worked out when I ate animal carcasses and lactic secretions, as a vegan I’ve been able to build muscle just fine. “Protein deficiency” means starvation. If you eat enough whole food calories you’ll eat enough protein :)
Dr Mikton Mills has a very good master video that'll help you understand more about protein, highly recommend it: ua-cam.com/video/05pe-dzwvNg/v-deo.htmlsi=1W8WUP88xprYj11v
Loved this episode so much! Two absolutely brilliant guests!
Dr. Christopher Gardner was interviewed on this channel in a video called "Everything you thought you knew about protein is wrong." He posits that protein is not a nutrient of concern if one eats a wide variety of healthy foods and plenty of calories. I found his explanation pretty convincing but I am still eating supplementary protein since I am trying to build muscle and I'm trying to maximize my gains as a vegan. I do think most people are likely to eat more than enough protein if they eat enough calories.
That’s right. “Protein deficiency” means you are legitimately starving and on the verge of death.
Another good master video on plant protein vs dead flesh protein is by Dr. Milton Mills, it's an amazing video which made me feel more secure consuming plants for protein: ua-cam.com/video/05pe-dzwvNg/v-deo.htmlsi=1W8WUP88xprYj11v
Oh, this is INTERESTING - another thing for Simon to add to his list of topics to discuss with Layne
the point I'm talking about starts around @24:28
Layne makes the points frequently and SEPARATELY that
1. plant protein's less bio available
2. studies have shown meat eaters who eat a lot of vegetables are healthier than low vegetable eaters.
He never reconciles points 1. with point 2 - to get healthier meat eaters must add vegetables, but that vitiates point 1 - that if you add vegetables to meat you'll reduce the bioavailability of the meat protein.
Every time I've heard him talk about these things he keeps the points separate (and I think mostly in completely separate videos) - so for meat eaters "eathing healthy", who DO eat a lot of vegetables, what's the point of point 1.?
Just make sure you have the studies in hand support this idea that plant protein is equally bioavailable when it has zero fiber.
This episode has changed my life! Thank you so much plants all the way 😊
Very nice coverage of the subject matter and the pressing questions of many folks
This is exactly the information I’ve been searching for. Thanks for breaking it down so well!
Putting the bioavailability discussion aside, the issue that I don't feel like I've gotten a good answer to from both this video and my other reading has to do with the pure focus on "am I getting enough grams of protein?" question while not considering the all-protein-is-not-equal nuance. We're all worried about getting enough grams of protein per day, but while putting the how many grams is optimum discussion aside too, it seems to me that a missing part of the discussion has to do with addressing the ratios of indispensable amino acids (DIASS vs PDCAAS) to determine *how much* of those grams of protein that I'm ingesting are *actually usable* as complete proteins? You mentioned a half-hour in that the amino acids floating around my system don't know if they're from beef or tempeh, but you didn't mention that my ability to use that protein is dependent on having enough "legos" to effectively use it by having full complements of all nine EEAs available to build that complete protein.
I know that leucine is often a limiting factor in being able to use the amino acids from a lot of plant sources, so me taking in a bunch of grams of protein is not doing me any good if I can't build complete chains with those amino acids floating around my body because my various plant-based sources are deficient in certain EEAs. Seitan, for example, is touted for how many grams of protein it offers as compared to beef as a way to "get enough protein"...but, while it *has* all 9 EEAs, it's lysine-deficient as compared to the other eight AAs. So what happens to those other eight EAA's floating around my system that can't form a complete protein and become usable? Am I peeing them out eventually or do they turn to fat (not sure if that's a thing?)? (Side note: I've heard that adding soy sauce to the seitan can help provide the missing lysine, by the way.) I want to stay as plant-based as possible, so I've been hedging my PB-proteins bet by also supplementing with an amino acid complex in hopes that I'm adding any missing EEAs to the protein that I'm ingesting so that I'm actually using the grams/calories that I'm taking in for muscle building.
Frankly, I already feel like I'm taking in too many calories in my attempt to reach my protein/day goal on a vegetarian diet, but it seems to me that we're missing a very important part of this discussion as all we're focusing on is "how many grams am I getting??". I've not had much luck in identifying a good database of AA profiles for various proteins to try to educate myself on the various missing EAAs to ensure that I'm taking in complete chains of EAAs, but does the Zoe program consider this aspect of protein usability or does it base recipes/recommendations purely on macro numbers?
Don't worry or obsess about getting enough protein bc by the simple fact of consuming a plant based diet, you are getting more than enough protein. This master video by Dr. Milton Mills is a very good explanation about protein ua-cam.com/video/05pe-dzwvNg/v-deo.htmlsi=1W8WUP88xprYj11v
A very good video that answers more protein concerns & questions: ua-cam.com/video/5Ipz3lBhQGo/v-deo.htmlsi=ahZnomtRKyR-Jcvc
Agree. the number of calories and carbohydrates I would need to consume to get adequate protein would be way too much from all the data that I can run. Was hoping for an answer and didn't get it. I think all things in moderation is still the answer.
Tempeh, thinly sliced and deep fried with a light sprinkle of salt is one of my most favourite snacks.
I'm omnivorous but I'd love to remove the guilt associated with paying someone to kill an animal for me to eat.
Zoe podcasts are helping me to learn and to do better. It all makes sense to me and I appreciate that you don't dumb it down all the way :)
Thank you so much. from Perth Western Australia.
lol! Anything deep fried will taste great not to mention destroy most of the nutritional benefits you get from it. Maybe you can give air frying or baking a try if possible.
Deep fried in what?? 💀
@@peterpan408 raw coconut oil made in the Balinese village I'm staying in. But back in Australia it's just the organic virgin stuff from the supermarket.
@@aprilblossoms4 but I like it, my cholesterols not too high and my weight is low normal BMI so thanks for sharing.
tempeh or tofu well seasoned and crisped in the air-fryer is my go to!! big salad and a cashew dressing, maybe some garlic butterbeans and I'm sorted every day!! home made hummus (a vat once a week!) and super cheap sprouted seeds and peas (easy to do) and bobs your uncle fannys your aunt. I follow Simon, and Derek Simnett's cooking style
26:56 Its implied here that consumption of eggs increases the risk of cardiovascular disease, while lastest researches, several of them, have established other wise. ZOE should clarify on this.
they can't increase cardiovascular disease they are staples in Japanese diets who live longest.
its not true.all my life eating eggs and i am feeling perfect.cardiovascular disease bc not active lifestyle.
@giorgimishvelidze some people have genetic predisposition that actually rises their LDL cholesterol from egg consumption, so technically not true that it's well-established.
Kudos to Zoe and guests! Great pod!
Great episode, as always!!
love all of your podcasts. thanks
At 4:12 "in 2024" could be removed to remain current.
I love your work - you've helped me greatly to improve my diet and lifestyle. I'm heading home from my walk to get my regular nuts/seeds/frozen berries/kefir breakfast.
Seasons greetings to all
Simon Hill is great! We need more nutrition science communicators like him.
Great information in this video. I didn't know that plants contain all the essential amino . But I do know that the first thing tge body does when we eat "protein" is break it down to uts constituent amino acids. As a vegetarian, I don't just eat a plate of lettuce for lunch. Or boiled potatoes for dinner. A plant-based diets assumes a wide range of wholefoods, vegetables and fruit. So a cascade of amino acids is on the plate. You can get all the amino acids yiu need from a piece of meat, and meat eaters tend to do this, and they in general don't get other important dietary elements.
The meat industry is very powerful aand very wralthy and is constantly trying to stem the tide of plant-based diets. So we usually get prejudicial information from various media channels.
This is one of the best Zoe podcasts I have seen so far; and I've watched a lot. However, I am disappointed not to hear anyone mention the cruelty involved with eating meat. You inform people that eating plants is a good thing for health but you overlook the ethical implications. Zoe has a chance to make an impact on this issue; get people on side and try to put an end to the suffering of animals or at least reduce it. Why are you not taking this up?
I do agree but it's not Zoe's remit so I don't expect them to address this; one could say the same about the environmental impacts of e.g. eating more soya and nuts
@@Sarah-t9d5u If we can eat a healthy nutritionally adequate diet without eating animals, then promoting a vegan, or at the very least a vegetarian diet, is everybody's remit. Zoe has no excuse and nor does anyone else. We either pay people to unnecessarily slaughter and butcher living creatures for us, or we demand that it is stopped. The choice is really that simple. Looking away and living with cognitive dissonance is a really shit choice for a human to make in the 21st century and especially so for those that have significant influence. Wake up Zoe!!!
This is the best explanation of proteins that I have heard.
Dissappoined that when Simon talked about the "Nurses study" and reported someteen% improvement in health for 3% change towards plants, no one pointed out this could be driven by healthier lifestyles reflected by eating more plants not just a move to plants. Contrary to the balanced approach talked about in this podcast, my experience of Zoe is that eating anything "bad" wrecks your daily score rather showing an improvement for reducing the "bad".
Thats the problem with diet questionnaires and epidemiological studies
@wavp7084 he glossed over it in the interests of time, he had actually done a full video on the study in which he talks about the parts of study that Layne Norton got wrong and also states that fruit and veg was equated for and the plant protein still came out on top. Do your research before criticising, I’m not even plant based but I make sure I hear all sides before coming to false conclusions!
@@christopheroutram4176 Not the point I was making. "more plant protein gives significantly better outcomes" is clear and would have been more appropriate given the short time available. Making numerically specific statements, e.g. 3% change is associated with big number% improvement, invites the question how much of that actually comes from related factors. The numbers come straight from the study, but even with WFR validation its still self reporting and the large confidence interval of the plant only data would normally lead to use of more rounded numbers.
wow. all three are so likeable and competent. subscribed.
Ive been gradually leaning more plant forward over time as a 46 year old guy who trains pretty heavy and consistently. As much as i appreciate the data and will continue to move more towards a plant based diet, it hard to argue that there is ANYTHING plant-based that is as satieting as A BURGER AND FRIES!!! 😅
I'm struggling to make the math work. Getting 1.2 g/kg of protein from plants every day requires consumption of an enormous amount of food. Reaching 1.6 g/kg is nearly impossible. With age, this becomes increasingly difficult as anabolic resistance increases protein requirements even as appetite decreases. And I didn't hear any mention of leucine thresholds, which are somewhere between 2.5 and 3 grams per meal to trigger muscle protein synthesis and very difficult to reach without animal products. How does one overcome these obstacles to building and maintaining muscle on a plant-based diet?
Exactly. I am an engineer and also like to analyze things, but look for efficiency, effectiveness, availability, and conditions and reliability. I am 50, went vegetarian for 4.5 years, two of those vegan. I was consuming a lot of carbs to keep my protein profile and a laundry list of supplements. At then end was too difficult for me and believe me I exercise a lot. I am a martial arts instructor and competitor. Muscle was simply not getting everything it needed and started developing connective tissue problems. I agree 100% that as you get older it becomes more difficult to depend entirely on plants.
Why do you think it would require an enormous amount of food? Protein is in all plant foods, so it adds up. And have you seen Simon and plenty of other vegan bodybuilders and athletes? They seem to have no problem overcoming these so-called "obstacles" and building muscle.
Don't they take supplements?
@@adrianhepton9362 And? Supplements aren't bad, they're a great way to complement your diet. Animal feed is also supplemented, so pretty much everybody is taking supplements anyway, directly or indirectly.
@@Hikari7775 It's like me saying, have you seen Thomas DeLauer, he only eats meat and he is huge...nonsense. Simon is not in his 50s. I am not sure if he ever suffered insulin resistance, or injuries from martial arts training. Like he says: recovery is key, so it is for me, with the amount of exercising. To get 150g - 200g of protein daily, how much do you think it requires in legumes, tofu, and processed plant based foods?
What about organic Quinoa? Any thoughts? I'm finding it a great replacement for rice! Loaded with protein and free from pesticide/herbicide in certain rice countries.
I wouldn't say its loaded with protein. Its only 8% when cooked so my husband would need 900g of cooked quinoa (containing 275g of carbohydrate - so not great if you're watching your blood sugar) to meet the daily protein requirement cited
It’s just not that hard to get enough protein. You don’t have to fuss over this. 1.6g per kilo of lean bodyweight is what maximizes muscular hypertrophy in studies. Most people don’t even go to the gym.
Are you really finding it difficult to get enough protein from plants that you have to fuss over which grain is a good source?
The whole message is you can eat a variety of plants and not worry about it. If you’re running out of calories then you either aren’t eating a variety of Whole Foods, you are completely sedentary, or you ruined your health with junk food and now fear carbs (or have some other disease you have to manage). For normal people just eat Whole Foods and you’ll get the pathetic amount of protein you need even if you’re a bodybuilder. 1.6g per kilo of lean mass is just not that much.
But you have to eat Whole Foods and not be sedentary. If you eat 2000 calories of vegan processed crap a day you’re not gonna make it. If you eat 2500 of Whole Foods it’s not that hard.
@@audreyboyle52 It does have a lot of protein, as do lentils, sunflower seeds, black beans, chickpeas, almonds, walnuts, etc.
Wonderful presentation. This just confirmed my new lifestyle. Thank you!!!!
A great podcast. Thankyou👍
Simon Hill is the founder of Eimele, a company that sells plant-based nutrition supplements. Nutrition supplements cannot be created with ingredients available in an average kitchen and presumably fall in the category of ultra-processed foods. It would have been honest to disclose this conflict of interest when he talked about more or less healthy types of ultra-processed food. Hill has a personal financial interest in making his supplements look healthy.
There is nothing inherently wrong with processing. It is the goal that food companies set for their ultra processing which *is not* healthfulness. The goal that food companies have is maximizing profit, not producing a healthful food.
There is nothing inherently wrong with GMO either, it the goal thats the problem (which for Monsanto is so that their genetically modified crops can be drenched in glyphosate and not die.
GMO could be used to produce tomatos that taste amazing and are rich in micronutrients, but instead the food companies just engineer them to grow as fast as possible and for them to survive harsh shipping..
Why would you need supplements if the diet is adequate and healthy? I can only think of B12 which might be an issue. 🤷🏻♀️
all UA-cam cult leaders sell stuff this is no different. over on a another channel a certified dietician sells protein powder as well and touts a high protein diet (from animal sources included). According to them, it's healthy to eat more protein. According to vegans, less protein. I just ignore the lot - if you have to eat plant protein 'supplements' it proves your diet is deficient.
Can Zoe do a program about the bad stuff like oxalates in plants and what a good diet would like with that in mind.The program would need to be specific
@@WolfLuste oxalates aren't a problem. Don't eat spinach every day and you'll be fine. I just had a whole plate of spinach yesterday. It was cooked (dont eat raw of courae).
Spinach is really the only commonly consumed plant with enough oxalates to be of any concern.
Basically oxalates are a non issue.
The best episode yet.
Around min 41 there's mention of mice loosing muscle mass when they were treated with antibiotics but in agriculture it's been recognized for decades that it actually helps increase mass for pigs and chickens. I am still for a healthy microbiome, I just find that point a bit worth reviewing. In either case it does show that a stimulus to microflora can influence an animals mass.
I really really want to know for how many years these guys are vegan(meaning not eaten a single animal based and dairy) Simon Hill & Dr. Will Bulsiewicz and whether they take any supplements and if yes which ones because these 2 look very healthy and muscular so I need their daily diet for last 10 years!
The main supplement that everyone will benefit from is vitamin B12. Most people, regardless of diet, are deficient in this vitamin.
@@guaranagaucho3071in supplement form, it comes from the soil. Not really something to worry about.
Dr. Will B talks about his unhealthy past and reasons why he became a plant whole foods dieter in this video: ua-cam.com/video/5Ipz3lBhQGo/v-deo.htmlsi=UmhfPkdXSo5kJ2qq
Where do Quorn chicken pieces stand on the protein/ultra processed spectrum? How processed are they, and should I be cautious about eating this regularly instead of actual chicken?
Fantasic. Love from 🇩🇰
This was phenomenal.
Hello ,
Awesome to have Simon & Will on Zoe . Have been hopefully waiting for this 👍
In regards to Protein , I think it’s important to also mention besides the nutritional and healthy aspects of a plant based diet, that we mention also the animal cruelty and unnecessary breeding and slaughtering of animals for consumption of protein. Remembering that TASTE and CONDITIONING from an early age , FOMO and purposely misinformation by the meat industry that plays a significant influence on what people consume for protein .
Take care .
Absolutely! Of course many dont take any of this into consideration and it’s only ever about physical health and building muscle and not the “spiritual” implications of eating violence, murder and abuse. 😢
The carnivore youtubers don't show the slaughtering of animals for food. I know some carnivores who believe dead flesh protein is better and have gone far enough to start consuming raw meat with dripping blood and raw milk.
When can people living in Thailand sign up to Zoe? I was tempted to join last week while in the UK but I don't want to mess your scientific research by pretending to live somewhere I don't live full time just to access the program.
Jonathan, feel free to introduce a story of Djokovic, arguably the best tennis player in history, who doesn’t eat animal food… and most of his achievements came after he became a more plant base. For clarity, I’m a carnivore and a very active person, so I cannot imagine how Djokovic manages it, but it’s definitely possible. By the way, he is 37yo and he is still a better than a majority younger pro’s.
Here are the highlights in case you want to just get the TLDL:
🌱 All plants contain all nine essential amino acids.
💪 Plant-based protein is just as effective for muscle building as animal protein.
🧬 The body breaks down protein into amino acids, regardless of its source.
🍽 It’s possible to achieve optimal protein intake with a plant-based diet, including beans, lentils, tofu, tempeh, nuts, and seeds.
🥗 Replacing animal protein with plant-based protein sources can significantly reduce the risk of chronic diseases and improve healthy aging.
all good except the last, that's a lie. if you eat animal proteins and don't have 'chronic disease' then it proves you have no risk. over eating junk food and being obese and not exercises, and being micronutrient deficient leads to disease, not 'animals proteins' how the HELL do they think humans evolved in various parts of the world living on animals and plants if animals are detrimental to health?
Care to get into lower back pain & sciatica? In particular - during episodes it feels like I'm 20 years older - slower movement - balance issues as if the sense of balance or muscle control has been impacted. That's due to the body limiting it's use of affected muscles which result in aches & pains? Any diet suggestions? Exercises and stretching seem to help at times - other times it's just months to come out of it and sometimes the symptoms persist for years. A spinal MRI can be revealing - and then one will end up talking to a surgeon about laminectomy or other procedure ...
I worry about not getting all the essential fats from a vegan diet. Would it be possible to discuss that topic in the future?
Nuts, avocado, tofu, seeds, olive oil and algae omega 3 are great sources of healthy fats
You get everything from a plant diet. Dr. McDougall has many videos about it.
A question for all those who don't eat meat on a "moral" basis - given the amount of crop sprays that are used, how small does a living organism have to be for you not to care if it is killed so you can have plant food?
Large bugs I’m ok with
It's good that every nation's dietary guidelines are moving towards recommending mostly plant foods (75% of calories) with allowance for fish, eggs and dairy.
This is interesting. However I’ve been listening to Dr Gabriella Lyon who is everywhere at the moment with the latest evidence. Just finished her podcast with Ken berry.
She pointed out that while you can eat a plant based diet only you would need a lot more of those foods to get the same amount of amino acids you would from animal protein.
Example something like 6 cups quinoa to get the same amounts of amino acids from a chicken breast.
She has a very good point. While plants are great they alone don’t give the average person (the amount the average person is able to consume) enough amino acids unless your super on it protein wise.
Would love thoughts on this?
What's the optimal time to soak lugumes and lentils to increase bio-availability AND maximally reduce the anti-nutrients?
No mention of phytoestrogens? Not a concern?
The body's pituitary gland controls how muscle is built after exercise. For those of us whose Pituitary gland is defective to some or a large degree, what can we eat or take as a Supplement to help our impaired Pituitary Gland? With the goal of keeping/growing our muscle mass-especially into old age?
I also worry about the sugar content, seed oils and lectins/oxalates in almond and other plant milks
What about soy milk that doesn’t have additives. Literally just soy and water. 9g of protein per 100 calories. You get used to the unflavored taste and now the more processed stuff tastes weird to me.
@@CarlYota soya plants are routinely sprayed with glyphosate, pesticides, fertilizers which are readily absorbed. Is this not a worry too in such concentrations?
@@janekershaw458 and meats are pumped full of antibiotics 🤷♂️ go and collect acorns in your local forest and eat those
Thank you for helping me
Hang on! Tim Spector told us to eat ‘FRESH, LOCAL, SEASONAL, MINIMALLY PROCESSED’ foods. I ive in the UK so finding plant protein that fits Tim’s critiria is not possible with plants only. However, animal protein that is fresh, local, seasonal and unprocessed is easy. Food miles appear to by overlooked by these plant eating promoters.
The environmental impact of growing soy isnt mentioned. My local dairy farm and neighbouring sheep and beef herds are where I get my food. Although a wide range of cereals and vegetables are grown the amount of pesticides and artificial fertilisers used really puts me off eating them
Yes exactly , Zoe is just another plant based biased channel, I unsubbed now that I know this. You can't get all the amino acids from plants, the body doesn't absorb them all whereas meat you will. I got sick eating plants and now I'm carnivore and thriving, as are many other people .
I live in a big farming area but the majority of animals are kept indoors in big barns and fed in there. I struggle with this as it doesn’t feel natural and I worry about the meat that is being sold from animals reared this way.
Yes that’s a concern. I always make sure I know where my meat comes from and how it was reared
Do they not grow beans and peas in the UK?
Very interesting & insightful overall, I leant a lot! What plant source would replace omega 3’s, DHA & EPA supplied by oily fish? Apparently the transformation of ALA’s from plant based omega 3’s is a very inefficient conversion into DHA &EPA!
Algae oil
@@carlyholds5331 As the omega 3’s is bio-concentrated it is in a much higher concentration in the cold water fish than in the algae! You would be eating a huge amount of algae to get the same effect.
What about taking in enough vit B12 when on a plant protein diet
Cheers
Bill
i am vegetarian and never felt nothing about b12.i am bodybuilder. 87kg and feeling good )
on only plants diet you should ofc supplement B12, but in the modern times everyone, even omnivores, should be aware of B12, because deficiency can build up for years ... fun fact, farmed animals are suppplemented with B12 also, because of more clean food they are getting
Hey Simon can you cite the studies that say red meat causes cardiometabolic disease?
Thanks for this i use plant base milk contains vit b12 calcium and iodine good amount of protein and yogertwith added vitamins no sugars i know they are processed but worth the trade off im an older woman making sure i get enough protein calcium is important as a vegan
the amount of calories and carbs that increase to eat the amount of protein in things like beans is huge compared to lean meat and dairy.
Any news on being Zoe to Australia? The pitch at the end always makes me sad mad😢😂
Same same but Thailand
I don't know why people make it sound difficult to eat a plant based diet. It's simple. Beans, nuts and seeds replace your traditional animal protein sources. Eat everything else you normally eat. There are hundreds of plant based recipes online. While a whole foods plant based diet is healthier than an omnivorius diet, the main reason to eat a plant based diet is to spare animals the horrors of the animal agriculture industry. That industry doesn't have to exist because we can eat plants exclusively.
Nice in tbeory but I cannot tolerare legumes, grains or soy. I tried for two years and every night was gas and bloating, plus weight gain, estrogen dominance, depression, brain fog, loss of libido and shortened cycles (less fertile). Not everyone can do vegan or vegetarian. Look up the autoimmune protocol diet, it excludes grains, legumes, nuts, soy, wheat. There's a reason for that.
There's no discussion here of how many people have fodmap intolerance, poor digestion and low biome diversity, as well as the amount of carbs from grains and legumes one has to consume to get to adequate protein levels. Also, meat is certainly not just about protein, but heme iron (menstruating women can't absorb non heme well, especially with mthfr issues), zinc, b12, taurine to name a few. Let's not forget that many people can't convert plant omega 3 into the active form.
A very disappointing discussion apart from the information about the raw food animal studies creating misinformation around bioavailability.
And most people are already plant based. Most people are already eating 70% plants in their diet.
What do you think about lupin beans and chicory coffee?
Lupin beans are interesting. The kind I have essentially claim to be just fiber and protein. They are just okay in terms of eating experience. But I just don’t find it difficult to eat enough protein so I do t need to resort to such exaggerated sources. So they continue to sit on the shelf.
Strange nothing was said about the importance of combining certain protein rich food such as pulses with whole grain so that the aminoacids combine to give you a complete protein.
There are different types of aminoacides and the body needs them in specific ratio/amount. Because the combination in plants does not match the need, you must simply eat more total plant protein than animal to make sure you have enough of each type. And thats pretty difficult. Simple as that.
probably one of the best podcasts so far
Aren’t Tofu und soya products very high in pesticides, insecticides and glyphosate? Isn’t this a consideration of plant protein intake?
A valid concern but do mind that animals are fed the same plants and that pesticides/insecticides build up in their tissues resulting in a higher intake of pesticides indirectly if you consume animal products. Of course of you want to be safe you can get everything organic but it's more expensive.
Eat Tofoo brand, it's organic and made in Yorkshire 💪💪
Even if organic, soy products are mostly Genetically Modified/ GMO now, which some of us consider a problem.
An interesting topic. Im a huge fan of Dr B. A shame that Jonathan made it feel like one huge plug for his company!
One point you are avoiding is that a human must eat a bushel basket full of plants at each meal to get full. Eating that much at each meal gets to be too much over time.
Simon what is that small guitar in your background?
Hearing the background scientific processes to these dietary questions is always interesting because it’s importand to understand what’s going on in the body. But when it comes to the results of trials, the science can be misleading, because none of us is Mr or Mrs Average. It’s all very well citing the average health outcomes from a study, but that doesn’t mean the conclusion always applies to you or me. So while I believe the findings Simon cites about bioavailability (only a small % improvement in absorption from animal protein compared with plants), my experience tells me that my body struggled to cope when I went vegan 20 years ago. Over ten years I lost muscle mass and my health suffered. Since I started esting mest again I’ve seen an improvement. I still have a mostly plant-based diet, but my body seems to need some animal protein.
There are so many vegans that do vegan incorrectly. It's not the plant-based food. It's the ignorance of the people who try it. There are NFL football players who are on vegan diets. Carl Lewis, one of the greatest athletes, was and may still be vegan. The science is NOT at all misleading.
@@JakeRichardsong The whole point of Zoe is supposed to be personalisation - there’s no one size fits all diet (not even veganism): you need to work out what your own body needs, how it works best. Zoe’s supposed to help you do that.
The kinds of studies cited by Simon are really aimed at policymakers: they are telling you what holds true at a population-wide level; but they don’t and can’t tell any individual, with a high degree of certainty, what will be good for them. That was my point. Citing individual examples is irrelevant to me: I don’t have Carl Lewis’s genes or his microbiome!
I think when Jonathan often challenges his guests based on his own personal experience, he is gently trying to make this point. Good on him for doing so.
Thank you
Love the content, very informative. Thanks as always. The one annoying thing for me was the casualised sexism. Would be really great to hear how you learnt to cook plant-based protein, rather than your wife.
how come that buckwheat is always missed when it comes to amino acids balance? Buckwheat is there with quinoa and it is eaten by more people than quinoa.
What about iron? I would have liked this to be brought into the conversation and less about body building. Speaking here as an old lady
Awesome ❤ Plants Rocks i am feeling great being Plant base my Protein and Calcium increased and im 48 eating a lot of different varieties including nuts seeds beans tofu chia flax legumes Soy grains all vegetables and fruit and the list goes on
Simon plays guitar? Dope
The problem with tofu and some legumes is that is high in oxalate. Isn’t that a concern to those with kidney stones?
cut out UPF, sodas, alcohol and sugar from your diet. eat single ingredient whole foods , vegetables, salads, fermented foods, nuts, fish , meat and eggs. Above that work what out supplements you really need. You will thrive like never before. Good planning needed and allow enough time every day to achieve your goals. You cant flip a switch and do this overnight. It took us almost 6 months to make the transition. We will never go back.
Understanding and making up a theory is one thing. We need a result . When people have chronic and painful disease , they would like to get heal quickly . Rather than debating or keep learning different polarized opinion which taking time and sometimes years of learning and after those years you still getting sick., I suggest try to do carnivore for 1 month. You will find almost all chronic disease starting to get improve. I spent years of learning all about health and at the end the prove is the pudding . Let the expert debating opposite view and do experiment with carnivore for 1 month and you have your answer and notice how well your body function and how well all of your chronic disease disappearing . Expert opinion or knowledge is one thing and it does not matter if it does not concur with your experience
Please tell me why I can no longer eat cherries! My gut doesn’t allow me. I have Dr. B’s new probiotic
Killer show! Such an important topic. Should be inspiring to many. Simon's the man. Will's pretty darn awesome, as well. Go ZOE!
Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So much useful detail here.
More strawmen than you can shake a stick at in a Lowry painting. No quantitative analysis of the meal amino acid composition required to stimulate muscle protein synthesis ...j ust a smug reference to a study on plant based men in their twenties and irrelevant piffle about balance in daily intake. Come on Zoe you can do better than this. Bring on the experts Drs Don Layman and Gabrielle Lyon.
@woodlakesound Yes the body recycles amino acids daily as it's a critical component/building block for every cellular including hormones, enzymes, biochemical reactions, cell structures etc. This is why we are not supposed to have amino acids in the urine (we routine test for the smallest molecular weight albumin..its presence indicates renal issues as the nephrons can't reabsorb it). And your point is? Clearly explain how exactly this implies that you don't need the exogenous essential amino acids in the right amount. Remember that amino acids such as Methionine, Leucine and Lysine are essential n the right concentration (rate limiting) to trigger the mTOR cascade for protein synthesis among many other things. I am aware that plant based "scientists" have that idea the mTOR cascade "promotes" inflammation...factually incorrect "interpretation" based on half-truths. More on that another time if I get a moment after I've fully watched this video at some point. Just browsing the comments for now.
I have commented in length on ZOE as an experienced clinical/research scientist myself (my comments are among the longest on YT so you can't miss them if you go looking...if they are still around...some tend to disappear). ZOE's content is undoubtedly "pro plant-based" based on demonstrably cherry picked and biased publications or based on twisted interpretations of science. At best they'll say fish and eggs are "kinda sorta ok" to give the illusion of being "balanced" but that's about it. Ultimately their message is that humans are better off going purely "plant based". I have no issues with making plants (whole food) PART of a healthy human diet. There is however absolutely ZERO "unbiased" science that can demonstrate that humans should "completely" remove unprocessed animal based food from their diet. That notion is purely based on ideology and conflict of interest and this can be clearly demonstrated by unbiased facts (you won't get "facts" from "mainstream" science/sources and purely plant based sources). The issue is that most who are plant based from the masses do not possess anywhere near enough scientific/clinical knowledge to critically appraise the information they are being fed by biased "experts". Add Simon HIll in the mix and I can already predict what the "conclusions" of this video are going to be....
Damn I need to sub to you jus so I can learn more
You miss the point. The message is "PLANT BASED DIET" . No one is asking you to cut out animal sources of food unlesss you want to.
Love the yes and no questions. They want to elaborate and unpack it so bad. 😂 how much protein does one need in order to build muscle
Yes, all plants contain all the necessary amino acids, but not always in the right proportions. you'd have to do some serious maths to combine the foods in such a way that you can get the correct proportions. Not everyone is able to do that. You also end up ingesting a lot more carbs to achieve the right amount of protein (pulses are mainly carbs). With a piece of fish or meat you know you get the amino acids in the right proportions and there are no carbs involved. I think a varied diet which includes animal protein is easier for most people.
Agreed. Humans are omnivores
Yes how many carbs would be in the 6 cups of quinoa you would need to get the required 2.7g of leucine in a meal?
The body recycles up to 200 grams of amino acids DAILY!
@@woodlakesound Yes the body recycles amino acids daily as it's a critical component/building block for every cellular including hormones, enzymes, biochemical reactions, cell structures etc. This is why we are not supposed to have amino acids in the urine (we routine test for the smallest molecular weight albumin..its presence indicates renal issues as the nephrons can't reabsorb it). And your point is? Clearly explain how exactly this implies that you don't need the exogenous essential amino acids in the right amount. Remember that amino acids such as Methionine, Leucine and Lysine are essential n the right concentration (rate limiting) to trigger the mTOR cascade for protein synthesis among many other things. I am aware that plant based "scientists" have that idea the mTOR cascade "promotes" inflammation...factually incorrect "interpretation" based on half-truths. More on that another time if I get a moment after I've fully watched this video at some point. Just browsing the comments for now.
I have commented in length on ZOE as an experienced clinical/research scientist myself (my comments are among the longest on YT so you can't miss them if you go looking...if they are still around...some tend to disappear). ZOE's content is undoubtedly "pro plant-based" based on demonstrably cherry picked and biased publications or based on twisted interpretations of science. At best they'll say fish and eggs are "kinda sorta ok" to give the illusion of being "balanced" but that's about it. Ultimately their message is that humans are better off going purely "plant based". I have no issues with making plants (whole food) PART of a healthy human diet. There is however absolutely ZERO "unbiased" science that can demonstrate that humans should "completely" remove unprocessed animal based food from their diet. That notion is purely based on ideology and conflict of interest and this can be clearly demonstrated by unbiased facts (you won't get "facts" from "mainstream" science/sources and purely plant based sources). The issue is that most who are plant based from the masses do not possess anywhere near enough scientific/clinical knowledge to critically appraise the information they are being fed by biased "experts". Add Simon HIll in the mix and I can already predict what the "conclusions" of this video are going to be....
@@youbeever no need to stress about it, how bout that for starters. The protein mania is so ridiculous. The most overfed generation worrying about getting enough 😂
Hey Jonathan, soon your son will realise being a vegetarian, even more a vegan, will be seen as very cool and quite attractive to others. Makes someone interesting and little alternative. There will be a time, may not be in our lifetime, when being plant based is the norm. It is the future.
Jonathan just show Neimia Delgado to you son. That dude is effing jacked and has been vegan his entire life.
i cut out all vegetables only eat eggs, grass fed lamb and beef and fatty fish, eat sheep yoghurt and half a serving of fruit in my yogurt never felt better.
too much vegetables, nuts and seeds were killing my gut.
I think everyone is different. I feel better on plant based diet. I think the key is to avoid any processed foods and you will benefit greatly. Some people do feel better consuming meat.
Carnivoree❤
Have you heard or are aware how bad dead flesh is going to affect your body? Not to mention horrible acidity, sulfúrico stinky smells, poison bile, created antibodies leading to autoimmune diseases? It's not a forever, long term diet, scientifically it beings you sick benefits in the long run. Dr. Will B. did a very good video about it with experiments, studies, and his own personal story with meat which eventually lead him to a plant based diet. Highly recommend that video.
❤ this video
Oh guys you’re great but lasagna with lentils for us in Italy is heresy please
I’ve been a Zoe participant since it started and I’m an arable farmer.
But I’ve come to realise that our diets, our lifestyle, our health outcomes are all linked in some way to the way we produce, process & consume food sources. This is an extremely far reaching and complex subject. The tendency to attach a label to your diet such as ‘vegetarian’ & assuming that all is ok isn’t necessarily the whole story.
For example consuming vegetarian or vegan products may on the face of it seem to be healthy but if they’ve been produced in an unsustainable way that degrades soil health or the environment, that are nutrient poor or has been ultra processed or has exploited poor people then the issue becomes less clear.
What we all need to know a LOT more about farming methods, food nutrient density, food processing, food labelling, food retailing, and broader environmental issues.
Does the team believe that wearing Bluetooth ear pods is safe?
I am not a fan of the show's host but I am here to listen to Simon, he is solid.
wow, what a teaser! looks like you guys are turning into social media masters :D But in all seriousness, very excited about the new episode.
Always interesting to listen to your podcasts, but don’t you think you should be aiming for more balance with your interviews? You often seem to be very “pro-Plant” with regard to your “expert” guests. Why don’t you invite more guests who are experts in junk-food-free Omnivorous, Ketogenic, or possibly even “carnivore” diets? There’s a lot to be said for unprocessed animal protein (be it meat, fish, or shellfish) in terms of human health and balanced nutrition. Also, a Plant-Based method (though it can certainly be healthy) may well involve more thought and preparation time, diligance / complexity in terms of gaining the nutritional benefits that are naturally available…and also highly absorbable…from animal and fish protein.
Well, this is evidenced based and it looks like there just isn't much evidence to support carnivore diets being beneficial for long term health and protective against chronic illnesses. I think there may be a possibility for an interview on vegan ketogenic diets, though, as there are some benefits in using it for certain conditions.
@@chiyerano Depends which science a particular “UA-cam expert” chooses their hyper-available, web-sourced research findings from, in order to lend credence to their particular agenda…be they Plant-Based, or “Carnivore”. As an Omnivore, I support unbiased, open-minded research and communication for all.
@@stevelanghorn1407Well, I get my information from other sources besides UA-camrs like researchers and dietitians who have looked into these matters. You may be able to find some of their findings information on Google scholar and other places like the Nature publication.
@@chiyerano Me too. Always a good strategy.
*pro-health ..pro-facts ..but you do you