Doing these videos is a great outlet for me to share my knowledge and experiences doing this art form successfully for quite a long time. I want everybody to enjoy it as I have.
Wow! The memories that brings back from all the old car shows I went to as a kid in LA. Your work is absolutely amazing,and you rank right up there with Big Daddy and the rest. I am planning on getting your system now more than ever. I can't wait to get started in a new career at 58 lol. I couldn't believe I found you on youtube. I am now totally stoked. Thanks for being on here and taking the time to show the restbof us how to do it right. Take care
Steve I just wanted to say thanks for everything you do and how you share with all of us on your youtube page. I recently found out that the Napa genuine paint store here in Albuquerque has started carrying your brushes and products and I am ecstatic so rest assured every time I get paid I will be adding a new Kafka product to my striping box. Once again thank you.
Hey Steve, your videos have always inspired me. I used to live in Deer Valley...now I live at Lake of the Ozarks, MO. Ive been striping and sign writing for about 5 years and I learn something new about the craft every day! Im happy you make these videos and share your knowledge the way you do. I own several of your brushes but have yet to try my hand at your quills. I will be ordering soon! Next time im in AZ I will come say hi! Thanks for all you do! Sam
you are my new hero i put you up there with Dennis Anderson. your videos and commentary are so helpful. I just starting to pic up the brush but its my favorite new hobby and watching you make your art is so amazing thanks to u and your family for video taping
Thank you for sharing. Keep these videos coming. I learn something new with each one. Your kwills and liners just arrived via UPS. Can't wait to try them on the next job. The Mack is really sheddin, so they arrived just in time. Thanks again.
Pretty damn impressive. You make it look so easy and as a guy with some experience around paint, I am fully aware that I will be cursing myself for some time to come when I give this technique a try. you do great work Steve, thank you.
i met mr. kafka at the ruidoso nm. show he mentioned.when he talks prices he not only does not exaggerate but may be a bit modest. i was airbrushing pretty close to his area. i never seen anyone make money with his hands like that. i did not know striping at the time and i educated myself .down to earth .hats off to you sir.
After the work dries and the client waxes them they really aren't noticed. People look at the design more then inspecting the finish. They are down n dirty flames that everyone can afford and enjoy, they are a blast to do and everybody is happy.
Steve, I've learned SO much from your videos on here. I've watched every single one. If I could ask one more thing of you though... PLEASE PLEASE make more videos!! They are amazing!
I’m looking for another venue other than you tube, one person has too much control over anything produced. I very anxious to produce more, I have lots of ideas.
I can't believe you don't get this ! My local bike mechanic didn't either. This is for Old Skool low budget ,do it at a bike show in a couple of hours for about $1250.00 ,the guy rides it home to enjoy, the layout looks great from ten feet away and everybody is happy, no worries about the rock chip in your $6500+ clearcoated masterpiece, I ride mine a bunch and everybody loves it. If your ten year old does stuff that looks like one of my layouts, I'd be interested in seeing them.
I have been using paasche vl,s for 35 years now,,i also use vega 2000s and a couple of badger anthems..but all in all I have made the most money with the vl. Nice videos...bringing back old school memories.
My plan is to start seminars as soon as the Von Dutch Bus Restoration project is finished. This will be well publicized ,I've done them for several years and have had tremendous results. I've never tried the Iwatas but my friend Charles Armstrong is going to show me some new tricks with one so who knows!
Just makes me wanna drop everything and pick up some paint and a brush and go to town your amazing so inspirational please keep posting don't forget about your fans would love to meet with you one day
Youve been my inspiration for what I do, i'm based out of South Carolina and your brushes , techniques etc.. have fed my family and I and, given me a very respectable name in the business , as I type this I can't help but think , most folks reading this would be shocked if they knew the author. 😉. Thanks again O'l man , you've always been and will be my hero.
Car wax or good polish is recommended to protect and put a shine on the work. We have been working on making these for a while, only proto-types so far. Eastwood and Coast Airbrush have them and will ship them to you. They are in place of albums at shows to show my skills and styles. Cheers, Steve
really nice quickie! have fun with it at Ruidoso! I'm a fellow rider and striper from Clovis. I had seen some really nice examples of your work on some baggers there. And all this time I coulda seen ya at Ruidoso. Small world.
Steve, I'm fairly new to the craft and I have to say, not only are your videos helpful but you keep them from being over-instructive (and boring) by your smooth mix of anecdotes. I've learned a lot from you already...thanks so much!
I will try it Steve. Thank you for sharing your skills, talents, knowledge and insights about this amazing Art form. Best wishes. Two thumbs up to the camera lady too!
There are quite a few factors at play here ; how clean is the work, how well do the designs work on the space, how many colors are involved, what price guidlines has the client set. I set most of the pricing on the show circuit for many years, now I ask the client how much they can afford to spend on the whole job. It gets all of the guidelines set before the work begins and cuts through all of the B.S. this of course is after colors and areas have been chosen. this works out best for all .
Nice job! I remember watching you work at various events in Southern California in the late 1980's, early 90's. My ex-wife was one of the women that did motorcycle windshield etching.
That's the cool thing about pin striping. When you get that first great result after hours of doing practice and do all the wrongs. But then you finally get it right and you just wanna lean back and stair at it for hours. What I personally love about one shot paint, is the instant coverage of color, because the paint is so rich. Like the color yellow. Buy artistic acrylic yellows for example. They almost are always transparent to begin with and you have to paint multi layers just to get a pure yellow color. But one shot yellow is right there, strong in color in the first stroke. You just gotta love that! Hope you have made progress and that you are doing some cool work!
Very Nice Steve. Your brushes hold a lot of paint for nice long strokes. End result is nice. And You and Bob are starting to stir up a few thoughts in me of getting back into swinging a brush again. Been doing the vinyl thing for too long now. I'm going to test myself and see what I can still (or can't do) I see a lot of practice sessions though.
Cool vid Steve! I just learned about using linseed oil to get rid of brush strokes when painting larger areas like that. Stays wet for a while and blends are awesome! More ideal for shop work and not so much for the shows as it takes longer to dry.hope your wearing shorts....lol
I've been spraying One Shot lettering enamel for many years with great success. I thin it with lacquer thinner to the right consistency and use the wet on wet technique. Steve
Mr Kafka, have you ever considered conducting classes or creating online course material where people can watch to actually learn? At least a video sharing your tips and tricks with beginners on what to do/buy/not do, best practices etc.?
Turco949 I have recently finished the restoration of Von Dutch’s bus ,as soon as it finds its new home I will be conducting one day seminars here in Phoenix during the cooler months, it will be announced.
The flexible fat Bob tank halves , how mutch do the cost? They look like they would be perfect to practice technics stripping, flames , leafing , and what ever you can come up with . Thank you for your knowledge and video.
I think I now have a post retirement hobby and income maker. I may have to do things a little different (permanently disabled) but I am certainly going to give this a try. Just waiting until payday to order a brush and a few goodies to get started!
Great stuff! I think I could do this. I have a steady hand and airbrush .... Just need to read and watch more of your videos,to know what brushes I need to get started. Cost per say for a set. Keep stroking the paint!
Is mineral spirits metholated spirits. We have metholated spirits in Australia. Also we have multipurpose thinner here not lacqure thinner. Just want to know if it's the same.
The process has been used by Signwriters for years to create highlights on hand lettering , Cartooning is done the same way ,the brushstrokes are secondary to the overall design, and this will shine when waxed, I think the brushstrokes make it the anti computer generated old skool flame job that everyone can afford, and again they are a blast to do. All the paint used is lettering enamel for exterior hand -painted signs and hand pinstriping , anytime you need help, just ask.
Thanks for the lesson, going for 1st. time flame job on HD 54 Pan. base is rat rod satin black, with high gloss flames. can only hope to come out half as good as yours. Cal. kid also my inspiration. will buy your stencil kit from Eastwood to make things easier. You are a true master, would gladly pay 250 for Kafka flame job. and I'm not rich at all.
was it enamel paint you also used in the airbrush? What size and type of brush did you use for this video? when loading your paint on the brush is the paint on a piece of paper or ??? Thanks Ron
Hi Steve, I am just starting out learning how to do custom graphics and I love your videos and tools that you have available for beginners like me. I really love the old school style of the wet on wet process and just want to know what type of brush you are using to do the fill color of the flames? Thanks in advance and I look forward to additional turtorials as I find them very informative and useful!
I went to a local store to get some 1 shot paint because i want to try pinstriping and they were getting out of the paint supplies,i ended up buying 29 cans for $175 lol. now to order some brushes
Liquid Nation Photography I used to race mustangs, I had three Shelby GT 350 s all at the same time, people used to ask me why I was saving all those mustangs...
Steve Kafka damn, replying to a comment from 7 years ago is some commitment, I’ll give it to you for sure! Lol, I still have my 02 gt.. have my eyes set on a 350 in a few years!
Ray Potrykus the brush marks shouldn't be an issue as these flames cost are about ten percent of a flame job under clear, with a cut and buff to make them smooth and shiney with pearls and candies. So the client lives with a few brush marks.
Like your old school! me been doing custom paint for yrs love 1 shot,, One of my jobs was a custom mx helmet yrs ago I did all the prep/ base/ graphics/ hand pin stripe and then hand lettered his race number on the top of helmet white color 1 shot,, then I sprayed clear urethane over all,, the brush marks on the race numbers disrepair, sorry I mis-spelled, lol I love your work and good that some of us old schools still use Badger,, lol..
I use mineral spirits only not unscented, plain, available anywhere. Striping has one "p" Watch the rest of my u-tube vids and you will get all the info on what I recommend, have fun.
hey steve, what do u think abt laying down some white with the airbrush, then going over it with the colors, do u think the white is too opaque and would cover the orange too much, or would it make the flames pop more? I use the passsche vL too, bought it at a yard sale years ago,, ole reliable.,,.
Doing these videos is a great outlet for me to share my knowledge and experiences doing this art form successfully for quite a long time. I want everybody to enjoy it as I have.
This art form is so much fun you really don't get nervous, especially after forty years developing your own style it kind of flows out of the brush!
It amazes me how an accomplished artist like yourself can make it look so easy.
Wow! The memories that brings back from all the old car shows I went to as a kid in LA. Your work is absolutely amazing,and you rank right up there with Big Daddy and the rest. I am planning on getting your system now more than ever. I can't wait to get started in a new career at 58 lol. I couldn't believe I found you on youtube. I am now totally stoked. Thanks for being on here and taking the time to show the restbof us how to do it right. Take care
Nice to see people still go old school techniques insuch a modern world of technology...True art comes from the soul; not a computer!
That was really therapeutic to watch - thanks.
Steve I just wanted to say thanks for everything you do and how you share with all of us on your youtube page. I recently found out that the Napa genuine paint store here in Albuquerque has started carrying your brushes and products and I am ecstatic so rest assured every time I get paid I will be adding a new Kafka product to my striping box. Once again thank you.
I'm inspired by you. I've wanted to do this since I was a teenager, I'm 57. Thanks Steve
peter brink I’ve started teaching people that we’re 75 years old, and their having a blast five years later!
There's nothing like watching a master at work.
Love learning new old school techniques, from a true pro, and supporter of the art, very inspiring.
Hey Steve, your videos have always inspired me. I used to live in Deer Valley...now I live at Lake of the Ozarks, MO. Ive been striping and sign writing for about 5 years and I learn something new about the craft every day! Im happy you make these videos and share your knowledge the way you do. I own several of your brushes but have yet to try my hand at your quills. I will be ordering soon!
Next time im in AZ I will come say hi!
Thanks for all you do!
Sam
you are my new hero i put you up there with Dennis Anderson. your videos and commentary are so helpful. I just starting to pic up the brush but its my favorite new hobby and watching you make your art is so amazing thanks to u and your family for video taping
Thanks for acknowledging my efforts, I'm just getting started, glad to help.
Steve
It pays the bills and is a blast to do, you just might want to give it a try!
Thank you for sharing. Keep these videos coming. I learn something new with each one. Your kwills and liners just arrived via UPS. Can't wait to try them on the next job. The Mack is really sheddin, so they arrived just in time. Thanks again.
It seems that anyone that truly LOVES what they do will give that impression.
Pretty damn impressive. You make it look so easy and as a guy with some experience around paint, I am fully aware that I will be cursing myself for some time to come when I give this technique a try. you do great work Steve, thank you.
i met mr. kafka at the ruidoso nm. show he mentioned.when he talks prices he not only does not exaggerate but may be a bit modest. i was airbrushing pretty close to his area. i never seen anyone make money with his hands like that. i did not know striping at the time and i educated myself .down to earth .hats off to you sir.
Gino left us several years ago,died while sitting at a bus stop ,very sad.
After the work dries and the client waxes them they really aren't noticed. People look at the design more then inspecting the finish. They are down n dirty flames that everyone can afford and enjoy, they are a blast to do and everybody is happy.
One of the greats right here in this video,.. thanks for the tips !!
Steve, I've learned SO much from your videos on here. I've watched every single one. If I could ask one more thing of you though... PLEASE PLEASE make more videos!! They are amazing!
I’m looking for another venue other than you tube, one person has too much control over anything produced. I very anxious to produce more, I have lots of ideas.
I can't believe you don't get this ! My local bike mechanic didn't either. This is for Old Skool low budget ,do it at a bike show in a couple of hours for about $1250.00 ,the guy rides it home to enjoy, the layout looks great from ten feet away and everybody is happy, no worries about the rock chip in your $6500+ clearcoated masterpiece, I ride mine a bunch and everybody loves it. If your ten year old does stuff that looks like one of my layouts, I'd be interested in seeing them.
Awesome. Very cool techinque. I've painted alot of flames in my life. This is so simple and cost affective. I'm going to have to try this. Thanks!
I have been using paasche vl,s for 35 years now,,i also use vega 2000s and a couple of badger anthems..but all in all I have made the most money with the vl. Nice videos...bringing back old school memories.
My plan is to start seminars as soon as the Von Dutch Bus Restoration project is finished. This will be well publicized ,I've done them for several years and have had tremendous results. I've never tried the Iwatas but my friend Charles Armstrong is going to show me some new tricks with one so who knows!
Just makes me wanna drop everything and pick up some paint and a brush and go to town your amazing so inspirational please keep posting don't forget about your fans would love to meet with you one day
Cali2japan have been away with medical problems , now stayin away from the virus, I’ll be back soon, thanks for the kind words.
Youve been my inspiration for what I do, i'm based out of South Carolina and your brushes , techniques etc.. have fed my family and I and, given me a very respectable name in the business , as I type this I can't help but think , most folks reading this would be shocked if they knew the author. 😉. Thanks again O'l man , you've always been and will be my hero.
clemsontigz1 thank you so much for the kind words,and I’m proud to be a hero for you.
Car wax or good polish is recommended to protect and put a shine on the work. We have been working on making these for a while, only proto-types so far. Eastwood and Coast Airbrush have them and will ship them to you. They are in place of albums at shows to show my skills and styles.
Cheers,
Steve
Thanx. Great tips, great old school work!
Commander Kafka... your talents are noted and appreciated... thank you Sir...
really nice quickie! have fun with it at Ruidoso! I'm a fellow rider and striper from Clovis. I had seen some really nice examples of your work on some baggers there. And all this time I coulda seen ya at Ruidoso. Small world.
Drew Lane they new owners destroyed that show, I won’t be going back..
KEEP IN MIND THE TIME SPENT LEARNING THIS FANTASTIC ART FORM IS AN INVESTMENT IN YOUR FUTURE
Steve, I'm fairly new to the craft and I have to say, not only are your videos helpful but you keep them from being over-instructive (and boring) by your smooth mix of anecdotes. I've learned a lot from you already...thanks so much!
Hey Steve, loved this video, and I learned so much. I can see that I haven't been using the tip of the brush enough. Cheers! Jimmi - UK
Truly inspiring to see master work. You make it look easy!
Now I have to go to my garage and dig out my stuff! This video makes me want to paint! Awesome job
I will try it Steve. Thank you for sharing your skills, talents, knowledge and insights about this amazing Art form. Best wishes. Two thumbs up to the camera lady too!
I really love this, and you are a great teacher too! Keep up the good work! ~John from Sunnyvale, Ca.
Great guy to share this technique!
A true master! A pleasure to watch. It has been a long time since I saw you last. Late eighties.....
steve thats is amazing work i wish i could find somene with your TALENT here in Ireland thanks for posting
johnmuttley copperthwaite you have Shamrocker over there!
i can't stop watching this! friggin beautiful! Thank you for the demo
There are quite a few factors at play here ; how clean is the work, how well do the designs work on the space, how many colors are involved, what price guidlines has the client set. I set most of the pricing on the show circuit for many years, now I ask the client how much they can afford to spend on the whole job. It gets all of the guidelines set before the work begins and cuts through all of the B.S. this of course is after colors and areas have been chosen. this works out best for all .
well done. keep up the good work and keep makeing customers happy...
Nice job! I remember watching you work at various events in Southern California in the late 1980's, early 90's. My ex-wife was one of the women that did motorcycle windshield etching.
CAphotos lots of fun back then, hope you wife is doing well
@@stevekafka We divorced back in 1997. I've since remarried (20 years now) and the ex remarried and moved to Costa Rica.
wow I love doing flames not easy to draw but getting there
back in the day we lived more ...this was a lot of fun !
Thanks much Steve! Gives me a great place to start. Still working on my freehand pinstripeing, not as easy as you make it look.
That's the cool thing about pin striping. When you get that first great result after hours of doing practice and do all the wrongs. But then you finally get it right and you just wanna lean back and stair at it for hours. What I personally love about one shot paint, is the instant coverage of color, because the paint is so rich. Like the color yellow. Buy artistic acrylic yellows for example. They almost are always transparent to begin with and you have to paint multi layers just to get a pure yellow color. But one shot yellow is right there, strong in color in the first stroke. You just gotta love that! Hope you have made progress and that you are doing some cool work!
Very Nice Steve. Your brushes hold a lot of paint for nice long strokes. End result is nice. And You and Bob are starting to stir up a few thoughts in me of getting back into swinging a brush again. Been doing the vinyl thing for too long now. I'm going to test myself and see what I can still (or can't do) I see a lot of practice sessions though.
So cool , like that background music.
I want this on my sportster tank.
I use One Shot for everything, thinned with lacquer thinner for airbrush work.
Holidays. Haven't heard that in a while. Great video Steve.
I feel guilty getting this great instruction for free.....Thanks Steve!!!
Cool vid Steve! I just learned about using linseed oil to get rid of brush strokes when painting larger areas like that. Stays wet for a while and blends are awesome! More ideal for shop work and not so much for the shows as it takes longer to dry.hope your wearing shorts....lol
Mr Kafka, the best................obrigado pela aula
You’re a master sir! Thanks for the lesson
Super cool stuff Steve! Thanks.
I've been spraying One Shot lettering enamel for many years with great success. I thin it with lacquer thinner to the right consistency and use the wet on wet technique.
Steve
You're a true artists.
I really enjoyed this. Thank you much Brother. Great tip. I'm gonna try this on a guitar body next week. Great time to try my new pinstripe brush.
Mr Kafka, have you ever considered conducting classes or creating online course material where people can watch to actually learn? At least a video sharing your tips and tricks with beginners on what to do/buy/not do, best practices etc.?
Turco949 I have recently finished the restoration of Von Dutch’s bus ,as soon as it finds its new home I will be conducting one day seminars here in Phoenix during the cooler months, it will be announced.
@@stevekafka Thank you! I am in CA but have family in Phoenix so I might be able to make the trip especially if you have any scheduled on weekend.
The flexible fat Bob tank halves , how mutch do the cost? They look like they would be perfect to practice technics stripping, flames , leafing , and what ever you can come up with . Thank you for your knowledge and video.
I think I now have a post retirement hobby and income maker. I may have to do things a little different (permanently disabled) but I am certainly going to give this a try. Just waiting until payday to order a brush and a few goodies to get started!
Great stuff! I think I could do this. I have a steady hand and airbrush .... Just need to read and watch more of your videos,to know what brushes I need to get started. Cost per say for a set. Keep stroking the paint!
Great video....it has been a huge help....Thanks
Thank you , I will adjust my cape and do some more!!
Is mineral spirits metholated spirits. We have metholated spirits in Australia. Also we have multipurpose thinner here not lacqure thinner. Just want to know if it's the same.
Geoff Hall I’m thinking the the mult would be the same...
Eastwood used to sell them ,I don't know now. Coast Airbrush has several types for sale on their site, Have fun,
True quality. Lovely stuff!
What brand of paint did you use for this? Is that the same in the airbrush but thinned out?
Enjoyed watching. My Father was a sign painter in Sedona, perhaps you might know him. Dave Lang "Lang Signs"
The process has been used by Signwriters for years to create highlights on hand lettering ,
Cartooning is done the same way ,the brushstrokes are secondary to the overall design, and this will shine when waxed, I think the brushstrokes make it the anti computer generated old skool flame job that everyone can afford, and again they are a blast to do. All the paint used is lettering enamel for exterior hand -painted signs and hand pinstriping , anytime you need help, just ask.
Thanks for the lesson, going for 1st. time flame job on HD 54 Pan. base is rat rod satin black, with high gloss flames. can only hope to come out half as good as yours. Cal. kid also my inspiration. will buy your stencil kit from Eastwood to make things easier. You are a true master, would gladly pay 250 for Kafka flame job. and I'm not rich at all.
Shane Crokett I don’t make a stencil kit, and Eastwood has dropped 75% of my items out of spite...
Awesome! Thank you for sharing
awesome, thanks for showing
steve cool as always. thanks for the time. where can we see the von dutch bus ? is it done yet?
travis ivie it’s finished ,looking for a new home.
I attempted to use this technique but for some reason the first coat of paint kept dripping and I am not sure why.
Chris Weiler too thinned out
I'm going to have to try this
was it enamel paint you also used in the airbrush? What size and type of brush did you use for this video? when loading your paint on the brush is the paint on a piece of paper or ??? Thanks Ron
Do you put One-Shot 'Hardener' with your paint mix here or ever?
graphicjules never unless I’m clearcoating then I had some of the hardener
Thank you for these videos
How do you get rid of the brush strokes?
DIRTYDAG move further back ,or take more time laying out the base...
Thanks Steve, you the man.
I like this guy.
Hi Steve, I am just starting out learning how to do custom graphics and I love your videos and tools that you have available for beginners like me. I really love the old school style of the wet on wet process and just want to know what type of brush you are using to do the fill color of the flames? Thanks in advance and I look forward to additional turtorials as I find them very informative and useful!
corecustomcreative I go over all that in the video...stevekafka.com size five kwill
Old school. I love it I'll do scallops on my bike using this method.
Steady hands I sappose is an asset.
Bigwu post pictures please
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What are you using to spray with
Cali2japan Don't forget to subscribe old time Paso he airbrush
I went to a local store to get some 1 shot paint because i want to try pinstriping and they were getting out of the paint supplies,i ended up buying 29 cans for $175 lol. now to order some brushes
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
another great video! what kind of wax would you recommend to put over the design?
Great video
What do you recommend using on a tank or fender before you paint on it if it has been waxed or polished?
Bayan1905 wax and grease remover at any auto paint store
Can you buy those tank molds online?
joe gilroy coast airbrush has some
Wow, small world, i live in Phoenix, 5 1/2 hours? thats incredible.. i made it in 7 hours in a Mustang Gt, I miss Ruidoso.. Its a beautiful place.
Liquid Nation Photography I used to race mustangs, I had three Shelby GT 350 s all at the same time, people used to ask me why I was saving all those mustangs...
Steve Kafka damn, replying to a comment from 7 years ago is some commitment, I’ll give it to you for sure! Lol, I still have my 02 gt.. have my eyes set on a 350 in a few years!
How do you get rid of the brush marks ?????
work faster or thin the paint, maybe clear over it, them sand, then clear again.
Ray Potrykus the brush marks shouldn't be an issue as these flames cost are about ten percent of a flame job under clear, with a cut and buff to make them smooth and shiney with pearls and candies. So the client lives with a few brush marks.
and fun too! Thanks.
I think I would be good at doing stuff like this it's the pinstriping that seems to be a bugger.scroll type stuff I should say .. X advice thanx
Like your old school! me been doing custom paint for yrs love 1 shot,, One of my jobs was a custom mx helmet yrs ago I did all the prep/ base/ graphics/ hand pin stripe and then hand lettered his race number on the top of helmet white color 1 shot,, then I sprayed clear urethane over all,, the brush marks on the race numbers disrepair, sorry I mis-spelled, lol
I love your work and good that some of us old schools still use Badger,, lol..
I use mineral spirits only not unscented, plain, available anywhere. Striping has one "p" Watch the rest of my u-tube vids and you will get all the info on what I recommend, have fun.
hey steve, what do u think abt laying down some white with the airbrush, then going over it with the colors, do u think the white is too opaque and would cover the orange too much, or would it make the flames pop more? I use the passsche vL too, bought it at a yard sale years ago,, ole reliable.,,.