Stealth Ham Radio Antenna the HOA Will Never Find -- the Poseidon Rybakov disguised as a Patio Table
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- Let's make a stealth ham radio antenna that hides in plain sight in the HOA; they'll never find it. I'm using the Poseidon Rybakov antenna kit from Coffee and Ham Radios.
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Nice antenna mast. I lived in an HOA neighborhood for 1 year. Never will i ever do that again.
Only mistake I see here is being in an HOA. Been there done that. Now I live outside of city limits with 18 acres. I can through any antenna up... I have a gun range in my back yard. Big firepit for hanging around with friends, etc. I don't want to be told what I can and can't do on MY property.
YES! You are a smart man!
A thing to think about: during the occupation we in the Netherlands were also not allowed to use antenna's and radio's. The thoughts and the behaviour of the HOA gives me the same impression as men marching together in black shirts, the men that shall not be named.
Well said
Unbelievably, in the US we have some who support a candidate for office who openly wants to be a dicktater 🤯
Good explanation of what an HOA truly is.
Well let's hope the HOA doesn't have internet ! 🤣🤣🤣
Hurry, hide the antenna.
the FCC ruled that because amateur radio is part of the emergency networks hoa's can't prevent HAMs installing outside antennas.
The Amateur Radio Emergency Preparedness Act of 2024 has been introduced to the 2nd Session of the 118th Congress; it has not been voted on and therefore, as a Bill not a Law, provides zero protection.
@@HOAHamRadio-- HOAs tried to stop people from having 18" satellite dishes during the early days of mass-marketing of those devices. FCC stepped in and ruled that such regulations violated multiple _existing_ federal laws, plus the First Amendment. It seems that it would protect people who have ham radio setups as well.
What about PRB-1…..
Your HOA cannot tell you that you can't have a mast it's federal jurisdiction and your Right. Malicious compliance is in order.
Haha...love this! Just like Sgt. Kinchloe in Hogans Heroes raising the antenna in the kommandants flagpole!
Hogans Heroes, one of my favorite all time shows. Quite a compliment to be compared to their shenanigans!
Totally agree. Fortunately for me, when I bought our home in GA in 2005, the builder and new HOA had stuff about no antennas visible from the street. And I have about 1/4 of the 3/4 acre lot down a slope to the drainage pond next door. The natural Antenna Support Structures have tripled in height, and I have a 40m Cage Dipole in the back, a 14m 4 bay Sterba Curtain I built but missed putting up before spring, and the crossed 75/80m full sized Inverted V's from the QST article with Google Maps view of his lot in AZ. BUT I still dream of a small Beam to raise like the good Sgt did on Hogan's Heroes, after dark. BTW when watching the show in the late 60's or 70's, my Mother recognized the actor Werner Klemperer from the late 1940's when she did plays broadcast in German from the VOA Studios in NYC.
HAMMING in the land of Karens.
Ok, this gave me a chuckle!
In the USA it is common for folk to fly the USA flag on a pole outside their house. It's easy to hide a vertical Antenna inside the pole.
Yep, I have a flagpole mast in my backyard, great way to go.
I have never lived in an HOA, but I did live two houses away from one. I had a Yagi antenna on a rotator parked right at the HOA, and they called the cops. Nothing happened to me, but apparently, the husband got arrested due to multiple vehicle violations.
Telecommunications' equivalent of having a secret 7-Eleven behind a vending machine.
: ) I like it.
There was a court case on a HOA and ham radio antennas, back in the 70's or 80's. Court ruled that HOA could not prevent a Ham antenna from being put up. In my town the HOA fought a tower being put up at one house for a Ham station. In court, because of the federal case, case, the HOA lost too.
Lots of information and misinformation on the subject of what laws there are and how they apply.... I've gone a different direction and chose to find ways to operate regardless of what the laws, if any, state and how they are applied differently across the USA. Make antennas no one can see, and this all become a mute point.
Love the attitude, love the channel concept and HOA theme! So many Hams live in HOAs, so I LOVE the different ideas. Please keep video’s coming.
I've got a long list of ideas in my head....they leak out into video as I have time.
I made a birdhouse antenna using 16 ft of alum tubing for a HOA friend and the Karens have not caught onto it. I told him to run a kilowatt and see if he can trigger garage doors ....the ones where the Karens live but WHY be a ham and live in a HOA?
I like birds, this sounds like a good idea to me.
They have shown that birds can affect the SWR
my winter place I run 15 k and they dont even know it!!!!
I live in a very strict HOA community and I have a long wire on the end of my house. Not the best by any means but it works. That’s the trade off for living here.
Wires hide well and get the it done; great job.
your right to have a ham radio and a tower are federally protected. the HOA CAN NOT say no to it
I had those leafy things with antennas in them until the Marshall fire that burnt all of those wonderful leafy things down. Now I got a long wire under my 2nd level eaves. Got to get my FT 1000 MP fixed.
Wire under the eaves sounds like a fantastic option!
I am so glad to see your UA-cam channel. Just starting studying for my test. I live in an HOA and will be needing some good advice. Thanks for sharing
Glad you stumbled into the channel and hope you find some helpful ideas.
I have a long piece of rain gutter downspout in my attic. It tunes up very well. Nobody even knows I have an antenna here in my HOA. It works surprisingly well.
That is awesome... I'm sure many would say "that can't work", but we prove them wrong every day!
Thanks for another video!!
You are so welcome, my pleasure.
I remember as a kid my grandfather I never met had an antenna in his attic, 5 plywood circles with notches around the outside and wire wrapped from end to end suspended through the attic about 40 ft long. I always thought it was a clothes line for my grandmother. When she passed away we cleaned out the house and my mother told me it was her fathers old radio antenna he used to talk to people around the world after WWII until he passed in 1954.
Great video I’m glad I found this. I live in an HOA and yeah I’m just a shortwave listener but still I need an antenna. I am thinking of some sort of antenna made out of a coaxial cable sitting in the rain gutter that goes around the house. Great vid, thank you!
Thanks for stopping by for a look and the positive feedback. Your idea sounds like it will work just fine.
As always a fantastic video and great solution!
Thanks for the view and feedback; I love doing things like this to help people think about all the different ways they can overcome the challenge.
That's a great setup! You could but the CHA URT1 at the base and now you can actually load at resonance anything between 6M to 160M for 125W!
I feel another video coming on sometime in my future!!
@@HOAHamRadio And a sponsor >:) Mayhaps they send you a "long term demo."
Nice set up.
Thanks for the view and comment.
Antennas and HOA's...the story of my life...lol! Cool hidden antenna you have there. Now subbed!
Me too; I enjoy the challenge.
Great show Bob. Yes i would like a video on the WSPR unit.
Thanks for the view. Might be several weeks, but I WILL get to a vid just on the WSPR unit.
Cool idea. Thanks for sharing, and have a fantastic day
Appreciate the view and feedback; more ideas to come!
HOA is the natural habitat of the Karen. They often gather in packs at HOA meetings.
Mistake #1 is living in HOA. Move to Montana, where there are many laws protecting HAM's, including 200' antenna can be placed anywhere, excluding FAA restrictions.
bob you keep taking us to new heights !!
25' high this time!
Thanks for the video Bob. I feel you on the OCD : )
LOL on the OCD; I spend a lot of time trying to keep that tamed.
The HOA would have seizures, with the antenna my father in law used to have. It was a 4 metre wide collapsible cube antenna with powered rotation and tilting facility. It looked like huge rotary clothes dryer. It would collapse down in the same way, except you cranked a handle.
LOL, I'm sure they would! Sounds like a pretty impressive antenna.
This is WSPR going next level. Talk to other nations under 10W on an antenna no one can see
Great video. 👍
Thanks for stopping by for a look Tim. Thanks for all your contributions to the ham community!
My HOA doesn't have any issues with my 2 mm/ 440 cm antenna that is 12 feet tall above my roof. In fact, the one I have is bent and needs replaced due to high winds. They love that my antenna has a 00 gauge wire to a cooper ground rod under my deck that is 8 ft in length. Perfect lightning protection for the neighborhood. The houses surrounding me and mine have all been hit with lightening before I put my antenna up. Since the installation, we haven't had a lightening strike to date.
An HOA that cooperates; fantastic to see. Thanks for sharing.
Great antenna! I am using g a 9:1 unun out a first floor window up to the roofline with A 26 Guage wire pulled up bu monofilament line. Been up nearly a year and nothing from neighbors or HOA. Antennas are Antennas, either we all get to put one up or you take down that dish thing you all have up. Seems fair to me.
That's awesome. I like the idea of the monofilament. Great job.
great idea.. and i’m guessing it would be a WIN with the XYL too.. I know my xyl would prefer your idea better than the 45ft power pole I raised next to her house, lol.. thx for sharing.
XYL approved for sure Kevin, but I am jealous of your 45ft power pole.
You have no idea how much your crossed up tangled radial wires @ 6:47 are causing me to twitch. 😆🤣 😂
LOL, I did see that in editing, and yep, it bothered me : )
This is easily the coolest setup for a Rybakov I've seen. Awesome job. On the video and antenna.
That's quite the compliment Mike, much appreciated!
Thanks for sharing, more discreet might have been a loop wire around the house under the gutter, or a wire ant in the trees at the rear with coax under the lawn. Hao must be a nightmare. Thought the USA was home of the free.
Seeing how many flag-waving elected representatives fear Trump more than they love the Constitution, the part about the USA being the "Home of the Brave" is getting harder to swallow.
I ran a cb radio in a hoa. My antenna was a 17-foot 2-inch copper wire that i ran up the side of my chimney with a ground rod 4 foot deep. No one ever seen it cause i painted it the same color
Great idea!
There was this one MARS system antenna in Housing in Heidelburg housing back in the late 90's for an operator for the shortwave radio station there at his home. It was in the Attic space with clay tiles for the roof. Now the complex for the radios, well that was another story.
Attic spaces are great for hiding antennas, and clay tiles are no challenge for RF. Thanks for sharing.
Great antenna option, had one for years, shhhhhhh
: ) Thanks for the view and comment!
Could you please do a special on how organic material may impact your signal? I have several antennas in trees and shrubs on the side of my house and was always curious to find out if that impacts the radio signal. When it rains, I’m sure that impacts the SWR but never took the time out to actually perform a before and after test. Thanks and hope to see as many of you as possible at Wormfest.
Hey Bob, thanx for all the great videos. Please tell us whats on that screen behind you?
I presume you are asking about my shack / UA-cam studio: ua-cam.com/video/D1TUgTFDPBU/v-deo.html
Great ideas. Hope to see you at Dayton? KZ4BU 73
Thanks for the view and feedback; unfortunately, can't make it to Dayton this year. Have a blast!
😂 love it!
Thanks for the view and comment.
This is a neat idea that I can't help but think how much I already made patio furniture might be usable you know that's a weird umbrella you have.....
Exactly.... I have an "umbrella" video coming out in a few months.
WSIPR sounds like another that needs to go on the shack list. XYL keeps QRM and QSY my shack list. Thanks for a good video. 73, KF0NNQ.
Didn't know how much I needed it until I had it! Thanks for the view.
What about taking a leaf out of W5JGV and make the tuning system for the antenna a tree house but without the hole in the front.
I always wanted to try a shingle colored long wire across the roof. Never needed to though.
Great idea; the right colored wire will jus disappear with the color variation of the shingles.
When my wife and i purchase our second house, the first issue in the purchase, no HOA, been a ham since 1979, not very active much lately, but will not be dictated to as to what i do on my property.
Great vid! Super curious: could you stealthily bury radial wires so they were always ready when needed?
I am sure you could. I give the general idea, then anyone can adapt to their environment -- permanent radials is a great idea.
Hahaha. I love it!
Tip: It is less conspicuous when deployed if it has a matte silver(grey) finish.
That sounds logical, thanks for sharing the tip.
Now that the HOA know what to look for they will examine everyone's backyard furniture for fibreglass whips.
That back yard would terrify me. I have always had land and a good sized amount of it. The only people that can see my back yard is Uncle Sam and other birds. The thought of walking out back and all those houses are so close is not for me. Glad you love it.
I hear you. If you had told me 30 years ago (when I was living in the country on a 3 acre lot) I would have laughed if someone told me I would be happy in this type of community some day. What I needed / wanted has changed over time.
You nave been blessed to have not had to live so close to other people. Not everyone has that. Not everyone can afford that. You would not like my life long living situation. I have almost always lived in high rises. My current apartment is just one of ten on my 12th floor. Which is just one floor of 32, which is just one building of four such buildings on my city block. That's over 1,200 apartment in one city block. Have always lived in New York City. It would scare me to have no neighbors. What if someone broke into your home. Who would hear you scream? 73 de N2LRB
@@josebrivera1716 In the country there is practically zero home invasions. In Alabama everyone has guns. The neighbors across the road and down the road know your patterns. If something is odd, they call you or come see about you. Say if someone is at your house when you are at work, they call. If they can not get you on the phone, they go to your house and check things out. If I hear screaming at 2am, I’m getting up and see what the trouble is and be well armed. I won’t be the only one doing that.
If a neighbor has a tree fall down, several neighbors with chainsaws show up. One time during a storm, a huge oak tree fell across the highway. The neighbors and a few motorists had the thing cut up and the road back open in 20 minutes. That’s how we roll.
@@dougtaylor7724hey thanks just like in PA when I grew up people helped each other. They waved as you drive by. Farmers were like the Amish. Willing to help. Need a barn built you had help without asking they came to you. I may check out Alabama mountain property. I'm tired of restrictions when looking for land. I just sold in NC a piece without restrictions. My wife didn't like it there. 73
@@ronb6182 You may want to look around the Scottsboro AL area. The mountain north of it is Skyline Mountain. Located in the northeast corner of AL by GA and TN.
I always said if I moved it would be to that area.
Your idea for that antenna is great, for night time use. But that antenna can be seen from the other homes once it's extended. In a lot of HOA, those very neighbors will report your antenna. 73 de N2LRB
Spot on @josebrivera1716. Gotta be careful when you put it up in the air...choose your moments.
Great concept !
Thanks for the view and comment.
First time they see it you will be fined and warned not to do it again. A neighbor might even turn you in if they don't like you.
He's a spy communicating with the enemy!!! 😮
lol @ the toilet flange!
That's standard ham gear.
j just used A 40 foot length of 2 in galvanized water pipe jammed it in the ground 2 feet with my antenna on top And I use it for my flag pole as well
Perfect! That'll get it done.
15kw is an Arizona Kilowatt to upset the Texans with the Henry 5K
I am in the UK. No need to hide it. Just put it up on top of the house.
Yep, a bit jealous of those of you across the pond.
@@HOAHamRadio i passed one today on a 2 Story house mounted up at roof level. It's been there for years.
Im in Bulgaria. If anyone comes to a home to say what the owner can or cant do, it would not go well for that person, and police will back up the owner. We also have zero crime outside the city, help each other, and can legally brew moonshine
A 2meter squalo could fit on a square table top. Though a Moxon could pass as a laundry drying rack.
Appreciate the creativity.
HOA probably has a rule against laundry drying racks.
and no contact from south Africa #ZS1TAS will like to see a video on wisper please and all the equipment you need to get it to work 73 have a nice day
Will do on the WSPR transmitter!
There are 18' telescoping antennas on ebay for
I like the direction this is going. Just keep acting like you're making stuff for Mrs HOA Ham while really you're just playing radio... Win:Win
LOL, you're on to something here. Thanks for stopping by for a look TO. The Poseidon is AWESOME!
The one downside to being a pirate is I don't get one of them cool call signs everyone asks me for.
How about dont be a pirate- FCC will find you.
PVC conduit and PVC plumbing do have compatible dimensions, but none is going to work with the exterior of the bell end of the pipe. Should have used a 4 inch diameter conduit and used the non-bell end, or used a different toilet flange.
I had new home owners tell me my antennas were against hoa in area ( sorry to tell them i and my property was 1st in neighborhhood and there never was. And never will be an hoa here) suddenly.....their house sold again!!!
Wow, someone trying to enforce HOA rules when there isn't an HOA. Glad you set them straight.
@@HOAHamRadio my xyl caught the women of the house snapping photos all about our home but not much around he other neighbor's she confronted her and the lady looked like deer in headlights we got like 4 in posted notes placed in our register US pos.t box so we returned them to theirs with a joking post bill for UN marked mail in a post box needless to say the notes stopped shortly later,they moved out I heard they came from the capital city moved here for lower tax and house cost suffering commute cost instead since we are 70 miles from there !!
I commuted 100 mile driveway to driveway for. My work but had company truck on company fuel as system tech for charter I not only had on call sched but expected 1st response to the small towns around me for 20 years!!
Here in Canada, amateur radio is regulated by the federal gov't. My father bought into a neighbourhood that had rules. One rule was no antennas other than for normal radio or TV. He put up a tower. When the neighbours complained, he said any municipal law on communication equipment was overruled by the fed regs.
They had that kind of antenna on "Hogan's Heroes". 😂
I'll take that comparison. That was one of my favorite shows as a kid, along with The Three Stooges.
@@HOAHamRadio It's a little-known fact that Stalag 13 was in fact in an HOA, and Major Hochstetter was the HOA president. 😂
If you’re really limited hard to beat a fiberglass flagpole with buried radials and a vertical inside
Pics of your set up? Feel free to email them to me; sounds nice.
@@HOAHamRadio nah I’m on half an acre with a 80m ocfd and a 80,40,20 fan dipole. I’m just sharing ideas :)
How does PRB1 apply in this instance? I always thought that Federal Law trumps local ordinances and CCRs.
Doesn't apply; see www.arrl.org/prb-1
@@HOAHamRadio that’s interesting. Appreciate the reply and info.
I’m fairly new to ham and live in a HOA. What if I ran I di pole along to soffit or facia? Has anyone tried that and what type of performance did you get?
If your facia and soffit are wood, this would be a great option. If they are aluminum, then they may interfere a bit, but I would still give it a try; I have done similar things...give this a look: ua-cam.com/video/-NHhjj252P8/v-deo.html
@@HOAHamRadio that is a very interesting setup but doesn’t surprise me. I may give that one a go but with some mods for my place.
Great video. Have you ever tried a rain gutter antenna system? I live in an HOA and I also have some tight restrictions with the wife not wanting an "unsightly" antenna in the back yard. 73 from KI5PRK
I haven't tried the gutters yet, but its on the list. Thanks for the view and comment.
@@HOAHamRadio I look forward to that video. I'm looking at the Alpha Antennas HOA Buster.
Gutters do work, I tried it when in Florida connected to the downspout with one radial and made a contact. My mom was happy since she had no idea where the antenna was. John - W7OTD
@@jmount1200 Was it a home brew gutter antenna or did you buy it? I’m new to ham radio and I don’t know if I’m ready to build my own antenna yet.
@@JimmyKI5PRK I used BNC Male plug with a wire from the positive to a screw on the downspout and another wire connected to a counterpoise. I was on my mom's porch.
I can see 1 of his neighbors is a Utube freak watcher and finds this video.. or while watching the video the neighbor sez " Hey.. thats my backyard of my house... Wait a min.... This is our Neighborhood..and now i know where all that interference is commin from " Then runs to call the HOA.
I think Hogan's Heroes did something similar.
One my favorite shows as a young boy....
Wire Antennas and Slots Antennas are easy to hide!
For sure on the wire antennas! I want to learn more about slot antennas some day.
don't some states have laws that prevent HOAs from prohibiting HAM antennas?
That's lovely. You'll be able to irradiate your guests while they sip cocktails. FT8 at full power on 10 m should do it.
Guests lol clearly you didn't see the mere 2 chairs out back.
Yep, don't want anyone next to it, digital or phone.
@@HOAHamRadio ... no one you like... I enjoy your videos. 🙂
Idk, but i have read somewhere, that a HOA cant forbid an HAM antenna per state law.... but it could depend, where in the usa you live... 🤔
Not finished watching but had an inquiry that couldn't wait. Why do you have 7 HT's fired up?
Just to look cool, no other reason. This is a picture, its not live; so I'm not running power unnecessarily. I use a green screen so I can put any picture behind me and the image behind me seems live.
Great work, but is it needed? The law does not allow for HOAs to prevent you from installing antennas. OTARD exists and the Amateur Radio Emergency Preparedness Act is in review.
OTARD - Over The Air RECEPTION does not protect amateur radio transmission. While the Emergency Preparedness Act would be great if passed, all other legislation previously submitted has expired without a vote...I do hope its different this time.
Look up the Radio Parity act of 2019, congressional bill HR466
Radio Parity act of 2019, HR466, introduced as a Bill, never voted on, and therefore dead / irrelevant.
@@HOAHamRadio i wasn't sure if it had it not.
@@HOAHamRadio i wasn't sure if it had it not.
Bills do continue to be introduced; right now its the American Preparedness Act of 2024...fingers crossed. I'll keep the ideas coming in case it fails. Thanks for the view and comment.
Install it beside a tree so that antenna goes beside the stem so it’s nearly invisible
Yep, trees are our best friend.
OK, but where do I hide the gamma ray laser? 🤔
Oh, and what about bunkers? We might have to go subterranean.
Subterranean here in Florida means I will have a pool : )
@@HOAHamRadio 😅 Cheers.
I thought there was a federal law forbidding local entities from interfering with licensed ham operators?
That is a common misperception; all the Bills that go through Congress never make it to the finish line, and those regulations which are inexistence do not go far enough. Many will tag on to this siting OTARD...which is a RECEPTION protection, not transmission; and they will name other Bills intended to protect, which never made it to a vote.
@@HOAHamRadioALSO haven't you heard you cannot fight city hall. It's better to comply then you can hide antennas they cannot search without a warrant but anything goes these days. 73 KN4DUQ
What about a fake fiberglass tree that looks like a tree but you can install any antennas inside.
Like that idea a lot!
No artificial trees allowed. I had to add that just in case use a real one and hide wires somehow among the branches. You could also use a hollow tree with real plants and a few antennas that no one can spot. 73 KN4DUQ
Sneaky…🤪
A Ham speakeasy.
I like it!
Why not just flip the video image for that part of the video? Then arrange the rest of the components so that they read right side up in the picture/ video.
what about a gutter slot ant :) just saying
Gonna give the gutter antenna a try at some point.
@@HOAHamRadio making your last nibbles set up your capacitance meter to dial it in, took several tries for me as the width was not perfect the length changed measurably
Never sign up for hoa if you move into their prison camp...I mean neighborhood
i think he have german blood.?... :-) all good, grettigs from DO2YKO...
...I think I do... Determined and industrious; will find a way.
no cap hat?
Cap hat will show up when the right antenna is deployed. Looking forward to it actually...never used one and can't wait to.
It's great that you get to do what you like to spend you time doing but not if you ruin everyone else's life in the process.
I lived in a building where there was this Ham radio lover and this guy would ruin everyone 's TV watching experience. It ruined my TV watching experience. It was a great day of celebration when we finally got that guy kicked out of the neighborhood. There was the part of him screwing up the video and then there was the part of his audio over powering the audio of whatever you were watching and then there was the icing on the cake - the nonsense he was constantly saying. Even among your Ham radio crowd - you would try to ban him for how unprofessional this guy was. It was like putting nuclear bomb controls in the hands of an absolute knucklehead.
Thanks for your reply, it is one of the most balanced and respectful responses I've received. I couldn't agree with you more. There is no reason people should be turning against amateur radio operators. There is NO reason an amateur radio operator should recklessly transmit and interfere with those living as neighbors, whether in a condo style set up or with property. There are numerous ways to be an amateur radio operator and transmit safely and in a way / power level that does not interfere with those around.
Put a US flag on it. Call it a flagpole.
You bet Outlaw; the best camo ever!
Why do you guys buy houses in an area where people can tell you what you can do with your own land?
Hmm. I wonder why.