András Schiff - Bach. French Suite No.4 in E flat major BWV815
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2015
- Bachfest Leipzig 11.06.2010. • András Schiff - Bachfe...
00:05 - Allemande
02:13 - Courante
03:55 - Sarabande
06:13 - Gavotte
07:21 - Air
08:46 - Menuet
09:28 - Gigue
The Allemande is inspiring.
A. Schiff plays Bach's French Suite so beautiful - both in tender & power.
Such pure joy..written and played from the heart...almost like the music is meditation. But pure joyful lifting the soul from the pathos of life to focus on God and not worldly things.
such a beautiful comment‼️
I felt beautiful English sentence...
i can also feel "not worldly things"
Allemande
0:04 0:04 0:04
0:04 0:04 0:04
Courante
2:13 2:13 2:13
2:13 2:13 2:13
Sarabande
3:55 3:55 3:55
3:55 3:55 3:55
Gavotte
6:13 6:13 6:13
6:13 6:13 6:13
Air
7:20 7:20 7:20
7:20 7:20 7:20
Menuet
8:45 8:45 8:45
8:45 8:45 8:45
Gigue
9:28 9:28 9:28
9:28 9:28 9:28
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I played this piece but I didn’t pass my exam but with this guy I can
Absolutely beautiful❤One of my favorites by Bach
One of the greatest keyboard allemande from Bach.
dazzling and awesome
100% agree. This is my go-to warm-up piece.
Maybe the best understood way of playing Bach I've ever heard.
Francisco Garcia sorry but noone plays this better then murray periaha
Schiff > Perahia > All harpsichordists > Gould
Agreed
For me you can hear his age too much in his playing, it is grandpa’s music. I prefer Gould bc he has more energy and life in his playing
Immanuel Kant You are probably confusing the applied dynamics for his age. Regardless of age, it is an allemande. Should be played with a light and slurred flow. It’s not to say that Bach can’t sound good or be enjoyed in other ways of playing that also include aggressiveness, but Schiff’s playing requires more energy due to the perceptive dynamics and fluctuation in mood unknown to Gould’s playing. Or anyone’s interpretation of the bulk of Bach’s works for that matter. He is also like few composers, in that you can hear the age of many interpreters and preformers, but not Schiff. He has been valiant in maintaining his youthful playing.
Music should not and is not simply based on energy but with moderation too. And Schiff displays magnitudes of it. Gould plays Bach like its 1 tempo 1 genre 1 way 1 volume. I also like his playing. It has stability to it.
I love the way he's taken away by the music, like he's in a daydream.
My favourite of the French suites. Played so beautifully!
So much of beauty in just the courante and sarabande
Definitely my fav bach piece
00:05 - Allemande
02:13 - Courante
03:55 - Sarabande
06:13 - Gavotte
07:21 - Air
08:46 - Menuet
09:28 - Gigue
i think that allemande lasts my whole life
I want to encourage you that you can really learn it! I just started it this month and while it sounds complex the patterns/notes are very ergonomic to the hands and for Bach is fairly an easier work! Go for it!! It will be a wonderful life challenge
@@AaronGlenn88 It sounded quite easy for me and really liked it, I also decided to try to learn……….:-), but pity - it is more difficult than I expected and I had to give up……….My fault of course - I am not already patient enough and also not that good pianist as I hoped…….:-)
I wish you good luck and success….!
@@AaronGlenn88 that's so true. If you take a vid of your hands playing it from the above you might believe it's fake for for so many notes heard your fingers seem to barely move on the keyboard. Sometimes studying this I had to remind myself "don't move it keep your hand there", for it was the easiest way out than it seemed on the pentagram. I can recall my composition professor telling us about "being lazy" in counterpoint; the laziest way is the most elegant. Thing is it takes years to become lazy enough. (I wrote "counterpoint" and not "music" on purpose, so it already goes on to another level of dedication and study).
@@AaronGlenn88just finished it and I agree, the second page took a bit longer than I expected though.
@@ivanmisurecmouseproduction493 you better get your butt back on the piano and open that score! :)
Remember that piano is a discipline. As you work through a piece try to use both hands as one unit, and consider it is more than fingers, sometimes you pronate your wrists and lean into notes, some times you simply point, or tap, try to use your time not only to learn the notes in order, but seek to understand how your hands work, you are in absolute control of your body, -go slow and discover your own technique- always balance strong stable finger choices, with efficiency, and also what feels natural to you. When you can balance the three you will find your sweet spot. Also, try doing only one measure and work through until it’s memorized, then add note by note for the following measures, block out in segments, and reset your hands for phrases. I know you can do this! Just don’t give up!:) I hope this helps:)
Allemande 0:04
Courante 2:13
Sarabande 3:55
Gavotte 6:13
Air 7:20
Menuat 8:45
Gigue 9:28
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thanks
Menuat?
Excelente, que maravilloso e inspirador y lo majestuoso de su ejecución
I always saw E-flat as orange-yellow; Kind of golden, but with burning life inside of it. Part of this piece is the gradual un-folding of the soul. (I have a very concise list and theory of this on my main uToob ch. "The Acoustic Rabbit Hole")
You have synesthesia too
How do you see A flat?
Its interesting , for me its dark blue and gold
For me E is yellow.
@@dantelomas88 Yes, totally. I'm happy so see that you hear the same things. D is orange, E-flat is orange-yellow (i call i to golden yellow). E is pure yellow. F and F# are greens. Just like the the Bach and Beethoven "Pastoral Symphonies."
Beautiful.
What a beautiful piece and performance
何という美しいアルマンド
Une musique qui enchante, tranquillise ! Lumineux Bach !...interprétée par un grand pianiste 🙏
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This suite is a masterpiece
the Air is my favorite section
What a joy.
timeless!
Very nice video, by the way!
This man likes really what he plays !!!!!!!!!!!
i love your Courante
Love his use of notes inegales
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C'est encore mieux quand on essaye de jouer!🎉
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AWSOME PLAYING !!!!!
AWESOME NOT AWSOME
Imagine the simpson's image of heaven: up in the clouds, angels in cirlce and god sitting in his throne, while all this is happening bach is playing this.
I don't think you'll find a better fit
表情があっていい🎉
very nice, thank you
mine too!
9:28 is the Gigue (9:29 cuts off the first note)
joannaz , Really? I didn't notice that when I listened to this!
Do you mean he doesn't play the note? I'm lookin at the score, he plays B flat note which is the first note.
@ I meant that the old timestamp that was in the description cuts off the first note.
@@jazzy_jz 😂😂 ok
My allemande score has different notes, are there different version of it?
Yes there are! You can check them in IMSLP
U can look at the bottom of the score
The allemande and the gigue just cut right through me!
First of all, Andras, your playing is wonderful and inspirational. Thank you for all you contribute to music, and especially to the understanding of our dear friend, Herr Bach. Now: I have a question. You probably don’t read these, but if you do, it would sure help me if you could find a moment to respond. I understand if it’s too overwhelming to do that in UA-cam comments! Apologies aside, here it is: how important is the edition from which you play? I have two editions. One is the one you’re playing, which seems to be much older. I downloaded it from a free site. It may be the original edition; you’d know better than I. The other version is a Schirmer edition, and since it’s part of their huge Bach collection, it has no commentary from the editor. Doesn’t even say who edited it. I’m guessing Hans von Bülow or Czerny. It’s substantially different in places. I learned the old one first. Then after buying the Schirmer collection (641 pages!) I thought maybe it was the more accepted edition, because I have heard many performers play that one. So, I learned it instead. Sometimes I play a mixture of the two. Which edition do you recommend? I’m not a literalist for authenticity, but I’d prefer to be as close to Bach’s thinking as possible, and these two editions sound like greatly differing moods of the same composer. I’d love to know what you have to say about editions in Bach.
Straight from my piano literature college lecture notes: Henle, Barenreiter, and Weiner are good editions with no markings added except for what Bach himself wrote in the score (these are called urtext editions). For a student score with helpful suggested markings/fingerings the ABRSM editions are good. Alfred is also a good edition. Beware of editions made in the 19th century where editors added many markings trying to romanticize Bach’s works- I might be leary of czerny’s edition. And YES editions do matter! A piano performance major in college would likely choose Henle- but if I were giving a piece to my student I would use Alfred because of the commentary, finger numbers, and articulation ideas which can be very helpful… I might use that in college too.
I can’t read so much
The best tempo for the Allemande is M.M. 40... There might be some numerological meaning in this, a number of the Queen of Pentacles, and also of the Kon, very prominent in Christianity religion of the times. Mary, or Marah was called Queen of Heaven, and Most Holy Mary, by some... the deity, Barbhelon or C'penta Armai'j, called Faith-Devotion has been removed, however, a Saviour deity- currently, Viraj is the closest deity still in Hierarchy. This tempo might seem slow; one should keep in mind the great Seligkeit inherent in such music; that Bach achieved the level of Saint, in development; ist in Wirklichkeit ein Heiliger geworden. The rasa or mood of the music is Second Decan Aquarius, however- called Earned Success. So also for us, the deity Christ having also been removed, along with the religion Path, Christianity, Necewef is the closest deity actually in Hierarchy- both of these two best conceptualized as of the Pagan or Animism religion Path, or something Anterior, including Gnosticism. Birth into the Pleroma- this refers to a comprehensive Self-Realization, or blessed absorption. "The Mind's Road to God"- a St. Bonaventura, at least the title is very good, but we shouldn't recognize the erroneous conception of there being portended a renounced, celibate, elite vocational priesthood order; one of the Parenter Type religions, was only for such Types...
crazy tempo in allemande
It's slower than Gould
Alejandro Sosa Yes, he seems preoccupied with fast tempi throughout. No real mood comes of it. Much prefer Murray Perahia's interpretation
@@andressolar7924 i totally agree
entirely subjective
@@Sshooter444 ugly is ugly, not subjetive, it s a fact, like your face
Schiff hears some of this music very differently than I do. For example, in completely eschewing rubato in the allemande, he sacrifices the expressive potential in the music. There is a whole panoply of deep feelings there that can only emerge with shaped phrasing, and at a much slower tempo than the one Schiff chooses (true of his sarabande, too). Compare Nikolayeva's allemande: ua-cam.com/video/Ol4oje1B8dk/v-deo.html. See too, on the harpsichord, Pierre Hantaï : ua-cam.com/video/J2rQtGtxpOw/v-deo.html; or David Cates: ua-cam.com/video/EkFYn1EWdPA/v-deo.html; or Blandine Rannou: ua-cam.com/video/01J1FWoCxm0/v-deo.html. Then you decide which you like!
I still like schiff's most❤🔥
💖💖
that boy is gonna droool
I like the wa
y he plays 3 voices
Sorry
06:13 - Gavotte
From my year studying in Hungary I’ve come to the conclusion that no one understands Bach like the Hungarians.
@Ian Dinerstein probably meant studying in the sense of sheet music
Stephen kovacevich Beethoven bagettell
Does he have full use of his hands?
Huh? What an ignorant question.
@@kbkesq He plays some wrong notes.
It has different style in it
Well that 0:22 bass line standing out was rather arbitrary
It's an ascending five notes scale, it's inherently melodic so it kinda makes sense to emphasize it a bit, also it's the first instance of that mötif in the piece.
@@TheSummoner all due respect, what you said is still arbitrary. Why empazie it over the soprano and tenor lines, which were the ones truly cadencing and beginning to develip the main motif?
@@AlvaroALorite That ascending bass line is actually a diminution of the initial bass line, it follows a V7(IV)-IV-V7-I cadence and marks the last return (in that section) of the Eb major key after said cadence (albeit briefly), so it's worth emphasizing since it's basically a reprise of the beginning of the piece and works as a recapitulation of it.
@@TheSummoner it is not that important for the musical discourse at that moment relative to the other voices I mentioned. You can check this by yourself if you play the whole piece one time without the Baseline and the other without the other two voices. Be honest to yourself and tell me which one makes more musical sense to you, and most importantly which one of those two versions carries the initial "theme' off the piece better while preserving a coherent musical discourse. 😊
That's Baseline is not a recapitulation, not only is it too far from the original theme for it to be identified as the same, but it coincides precisely with the development internal part. That doesn't change the fact that what you said has some truth in it, and that that bass line has its function it's just that is not as important as you point it out to be in the whole picture. You must hear and play for yourself, not trust the rendition of a public figure just because he is
Greetings 👐🏻
@@AlvaroALorite With all due respect, you are being definitely too condescending for being some random person on UA-cam that accuses others of arbitrariness while showing zero objectivity when an objective argument is presented to them, and no amount of cute emojis is going to change that. You can check this by yourself if you thoroughly re-read your last reply. Be honest to yourself and tell me if what you wrote is objective in any way and/or if it brings to the table some rational counterargument to what I wrote.
As I wrote before (in case you missed that) the bass line at 0:21, far from being "too far from the original theme", is an almost exact diminution of the initial bass line (Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb) and it works perfectly as a recapitulation since it also marks a brief return of the initial key of the piece before the final part of the section. And to address your final assumption about me "trusting Schiff's rendition just because he is a public figure" I don't even like him that much as a pianist, the the only reason why I replied to you was because I found his interpretation of that passage musically cogent, and unlike you who undoubtedly "play and hear for yourself" I could actually give an objective argument for it that didn't rely on sandwiching my interlocutor between unwarrantedly condescending opinions and falsely courteous emojis.
очень быстрые темпы, нехарактерные для музыки времени Баха. вывод - пианист играет сам себя.,что у него неплохо получается
Is it just me, or is he cheating on the 16th notes in the left hand of the Courante? They sound like eigth notes, but he plays it so fast it's hard to tell
He's underdotting so that the LH dotted rhythm aligns with the triplets in the right-hand--as one should.
Gould played the triplets in the same way too. They're supposed to align for the right and left hand. However, looking at the score, I see that he is missing some mordents.
Im sorry but this was pretty bad way to rushed i usuallly like schiff but not here thus is poorly played much prefer murray perahias interpretation
I like it a lot
Just differences in interpretation.
Gould played it much faster (3x faster) and for examination requirement for Trinity College London and ABRSM it is required to play the suite pieces fast.
@@zacqueen i know he dis thats why i didnt like his either both rush it its rushed periaha plays this actually good unlike those two
@@zacqueen i mean i dont hate it but it is rushed
I dont like it to fast i usually like schiff so im not dissing him just this performance i didnt like it i like pretty much everything else i herd from him though
Murray Perahia is considerably better, with voices responding and interacting with each other.*
This is all sweat-and-Hannon.
[*Not as much as Id like to hear though, by a long shot].
Agree completely. He plays it like he has to take a bad piss murray perahia sounds like an album
Murray periaha plays this much better
Murray periaha plays this significantly better
skyler mccloud it‘s subjective... no need to comment that! I personally think it‘s incredible!
Just a matter of taste!😉
I gues but i just so t get why people think bach shouldnt have peddle music is t supposed to be based on rules for the most part. The peddle didnt exist then but it does now i think we should expirement andres schiff is just to traditional in my opinion i definetwly prefer murray perahias views @markushuemer1922