Pimp and Bun was like Andre and Big Boi, very different and meshed well together, I wish they coulda did a UGK/Outkast collab album, that shit woulda been dope asf
@@joojoobaw i doubt pimp c would have been able to work with andre. he was pissed when andre took out the drums for his verse and it wasn't easy convincing him it was okay. Outkast can be really out there with their production.
@@bern9642 But that was a good choice! Sonically it boosted both their verses Andre’s verse didn’t need the drums and it heightened Pimp’s verse when the drums kicked in, it may have been difficult, but just that shows that they could’ve agreed to disagree and made some great music together, despite the differences
KRS 1 was legendary for exposing Jive and Universal from as far back as the mid to late 1990's, hence why they blacklisted him and phased out conscious and back pack rap genres
It’s clear to see that Bun B is very experienced, educated, knowledgeable, and intelligent within familiarity with the structure and practices of the music industry. This brother can inform and save alot of young and new artists. Someone that artists should try to build a relationship with or seek for advice.
Spice 1 was signed with Jive also. He went live on ig sometime in 2022 and was telling people not to buy his music from the 90’s because he barely gets paid for it.
Q-Tip tried to warn dudes a year prior in '91... "Industry rule #4,080... record company people are shaaaaddyy." He even got Diamond D. and Brand Nubian to record the song, "The Business," which gave aspiring rappers game and what to expect if they wanted to be "in the business." So it wasn't just KRS who tried to save them.
There's more leverage and exposure now, which is a gift and a curse. You at least had filters back then to weed not garbage and make everyone step up their craft. Now any fool can rap, and that saturated the market making it like finding a kobe steak in a trash can finding a good artist these days. At least we have youtube to remember the good ole days.
@@KtotheG not a song so much as a catchphrase. “Industry Rule Number four-thousand and eighty, Record labels are shady. Industry rule Number 4,081, Never try to battle KRS One.” That goes back at least to 1988
At *least* a year! My friend left his copy in my car first year of college, never asked for it back & I still have it 😂 if you out there Harrison and you want it just ask
the KRS 1 scenario is why they try to keep the older artists away from younger/newer artists....they dont want the OGs giving game to younger artists...its a reason why people who really got love for our people and the culture dont last long in the game...i could never sign young black men and women to those slave contracts knowing i could school them to the game..if u sit down and explain what publishing is and how it could possibly pay u for the rest of ur life, they wouldn't sell it for basically pennies
Mad salute! can't wait till the full interview comes out. Yea when you don't know much about the music business it'll take you in and also take you out with a heart beat or the so called one hit wonder they say.. nowadays there's so much information out now books, internet etc. lately I've been on my back in the day hiphop list UGK, Scarface, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, KRS One you name it. I'm from Chitown, Math it'll be dope if you can get Twista on. 💯 Also keep going with the music your dropping Salute!
I lived in Port Authur in 98-99 Bun not lying bout him and Pimp moving different but being on the same page with each other…we used to see Pimp n his crew all the time then Bun n his crew
Bun B is smarter than the average artist, it sucks he was in the same position as most when starting out to give away publishing for practically nothing.
Rappers weren't as business saavy back then and, honestly, they didn't have as much leverage back then because record execs didn't realize the popularity and impact that hip hop would have.
I feel you, but what could they do honestly. A lot of rappers know today and still get into bad situations. The illusion that entertainers are rich, mixed with poor money management is the perfect storm for the industry.
Nah forreal they were different. I remember being backstage at their concert at Eryca Badu club in Dallas they did a show there. We were back stage chilling smoking,it might have been 5 people back there including me and my cousin. Pimp C was late showing up when he did show up he was iced out mink and with bout 10 niggas with him.
Yall need to ask bun how did pimp really die. Cuzz his cousin Edgar saying he got back doored and and pimpin ken said his wife end up getting wit the person that killed pimp. And it's crazy how ain't nobody else talking about it. But errbody tumbout r.i.p pimp c. How is he resting in peace and he got murdered.
@@Class_357 "Boogie, jive and rap is life where I'm from" - Butterfly. Boogie = funk/disco... and jive = jazz. I'm an expert on slang, my friend... you're out of your element here.
Math laughing that hard on KRS1 telling them good luck on that bad contract signing was telling on what type of dude he is…SHIT WASN’t THAT FUCKN FUNNY BRO
back in the day i was an engineer and went on tour with UGk. we were in Tulsa Okalahoma with mr 32, DMG, Big Mike. Bun B spent the entire tour blackout drunk. He was the life of the patrty but it got dark because he kept running away at night and we had to go find him. Mr 32 was a true friend he always went to the inner city and found him in a drug den. RIP 32
These millennials forget that there was no Internet and ready exchange of information back in the 90s. Young people had no clue what they were signing up for the only reason you think it’s clear now is because all those people have told the horror stories
These podcast hopefully gonna save a few aspiring musicians from singing bad paperwork. Of course you still need to know what bad contractual language looks like. Cause record contracts to the untrained eye are clever as fuck. And a lot of artist are still going to sign paperwork they know is bad cause they think it’s their only chance at their dream. But hopefully stories like this can save up and coming artist even if it’s only a few. So much power in people broadcasting the contractual horror stories of the industry.
You can literally see people skipping the intro from the most watched. The intro/outro is getting so played out man we know the shit is out please show us something else
People now have heard so much about bad contracts and all that, guys back then didn’t know shit and like he was saying they were still teenagers. You can’t really judge people on a bad contract signing from back then and under those circumstances.
Nahhhhhh music acts Especially Black been getting screwed going back to the very beginning. Even in the 80s & 1990s, these young artists should’ve been tryna learn from the oldheads pumpin hits in the 1950s & 60s. The game hasn’t changed
@@seensay2132 a lot of young people aren’t hip to the ways of the world until they’re older and dealing with the stuff themselves. I think with the internet it’s way more known now.
Barry Weiss def was up there with Lyor when it came to this hiphop thing. I want to see thr music executives side for why they would exploit artists like this. Was this also going on with NSYNC and Brittney. That man and Clive cadler should be brought to task for the things they did.
Am I the only one skipping past the intro every trip 🫣
Nope
Nope this track n others are tough! Only track that had to grow on me was the “ single “ track 💯 but s/o math 🔥💪🏾
I'm witcha
No!!! Them verses be ASS!!
@@mdubb9621facts lol
Pimp and Bun was like Andre and Big Boi, very different and meshed well together, I wish they coulda did a UGK/Outkast collab album, that shit woulda been dope asf
They wanted to! Pimp especially was close with DF & ON through Gipp but it never worked out til the Anthem
@@joojoobaw Right, but if they ever did a real album, it woulda been one of the dopest albums to ever hit
@@joojoobaw i doubt pimp c would have been able to work with andre. he was pissed when andre took out the drums for his verse and it wasn't easy convincing him it was okay. Outkast can be really out there with their production.
I always imagined UGK on OutKast elevators, bun would've k!lled that beat
@@bern9642 But that was a good choice! Sonically it boosted both their verses Andre’s verse didn’t need the drums and it heightened Pimp’s verse when the drums kicked in, it may have been difficult, but just that shows that they could’ve agreed to disagree and made some great music together, despite the differences
KRS 1 was legendary for exposing Jive and Universal from as far back as the mid to late 1990's, hence why they blacklisted him and phased out conscious and back pack rap genres
It’s clear to see that Bun B is very experienced, educated, knowledgeable, and intelligent within familiarity with the structure and practices of the music industry. This brother can inform and save alot of young and new artists. Someone that artists should try to build a relationship with or seek for advice.
Spice 1 was signed with Jive also. He went live on ig sometime in 2022 and was telling people not to buy his music from the 90’s because he barely gets paid for it.
Q-Tip tried to warn dudes a year prior in '91... "Industry rule #4,080... record company people are shaaaaddyy." He even got Diamond D. and Brand Nubian to record the song, "The Business," which gave aspiring rappers game and what to expect if they wanted to be "in the business." So it wasn't just KRS who tried to save them.
There's more leverage and exposure now, which is a gift and a curse. You at least had filters back then to weed not garbage and make everyone step up their craft. Now any fool can rap, and that saturated the market making it like finding a kobe steak in a trash can finding a good artist these days. At least we have youtube to remember the good ole days.
All you get is a foot in the ass from a leg in a boot
KRS One actually said that first
@@seensay2132 What song was that?
@@KtotheG not a song so much as a catchphrase. “Industry Rule Number four-thousand and eighty, Record labels are shady. Industry rule Number 4,081, Never try to battle KRS One.” That goes back at least to 1988
The 07 double album stayed in my cd player for a year straight
At *least* a year! My friend left his copy in my car first year of college, never asked for it back & I still have it 😂 if you out there Harrison and you want it just ask
the KRS 1 scenario is why they try to keep the older artists away from younger/newer artists....they dont want the OGs giving game to younger artists...its a reason why people who really got love for our people and the culture dont last long in the game...i could never sign young black men and women to those slave contracts knowing i could school them to the game..if u sit down and explain what publishing is and how it could possibly pay u for the rest of ur life, they wouldn't sell it for basically pennies
Mad salute! can't wait till the full interview comes out. Yea when you don't know much about the music business it'll take you in and also take you out with a heart beat or the so called one hit wonder they say.. nowadays there's so much information out now books, internet etc. lately I've been on my back in the day hiphop list UGK, Scarface, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, KRS One you name it. I'm from Chitown, Math it'll be dope if you can get Twista on. 💯 Also keep going with the music your dropping Salute!
I lived in Port Authur in 98-99 Bun not lying bout him and Pimp moving different but being on the same page with each other…we used to see Pimp n his crew all the time then Bun n his crew
Another classic interview!! 🔥🔥🔥💪🏾
You are not alone. I skipped rhe intro tooo... 🤣
Bun B is smarter than the average artist, it sucks he was in the same position as most when starting out to give away publishing for practically nothing.
“Good luck my brothers” is some krs-1 shit to say bro 😂😂😂😂
That contract truly is devilish honestly
Why hasn't KRS One sat in the barbershop?
Fire interview math keep it up homie 💪
I want to see Bun and Mjg collab together! They would fuck the game up!
I would love to see an episode of you guys discussing your the top 50 beats. Especially from Mecca
Besides hit boy, Statik has been so consistent with projects left and right , no failures
Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯
If we don't know the story, tell us Bernard Freeman.
Rappers weren't as business saavy back then and, honestly, they didn't have as much leverage back then because record execs didn't realize the popularity and impact that hip hop would have.
This is why they sign them young!
This country lives & breathes off of the nieve and the unknowingly manipulating is the name of the game the older I get the more I notice it
Capitalism capitalizes brother
Bun B and Pimp C Were Unstoppable 💯
So many artist coulda been saved but not too many other artists cared enough to forewarn everybody else smfh #coldworld🥴🤦🏾♂️
I feel you, but what could they do honestly. A lot of rappers know today and still get into bad situations. The illusion that entertainers are rich, mixed with poor money management is the perfect storm for the industry.
Nah forreal they were different. I remember being backstage at their concert at Eryca Badu club in Dallas they did a show there. We were back stage chilling smoking,it might have been 5 people back there including me and my cousin. Pimp C was late showing up when he did show up he was iced out mink and with bout 10 niggas with him.
KRS: Good luck my brother 😞🤦🏽♂️✌🏽
Intro jamming! ⛽️⛽️⛽️
Yall need to ask bun how did pimp really die. Cuzz his cousin Edgar saying he got back doored and and pimpin ken said his wife end up getting wit the person that killed pimp. And it's crazy how ain't nobody else talking about it. But errbody tumbout r.i.p pimp c. How is he resting in peace and he got murdered.
There's a death clause in the record contracts, so who knows?
That KRS-1 moment is so real
Yoo math stop forcing those mid bars on us we here for the interview 😅
That double album sounded 🔥
Boy i know it been some 🔥🔥🔥 on them tracks that didn't get cleared!! Lawd!!
I like the song *All Around* I like it best when Math places his music after the interview, imo
Props to Bun for not using that clause. Twice!! What a real one
Where is the link to get the opening track? I love the groove. I keep going back to replay the first few seconds to 👂
Ya’ll need to get The Teacha on here asap.
The label is nothing but a bank.
"Jive" is also a slang term for "jazz," which is also a derisive term.
No. No it is not.
@@Class_357 Yes, it is... jive and jazz are synonyms.
@@KtotheG negative
@@Class_357 "Boogie, jive and rap is life where I'm from" - Butterfly. Boogie = funk/disco... and jive = jazz. I'm an expert on slang, my friend... you're out of your element here.
@@KtotheG alright jive turkey....oh, I mean Jazz Turkey...lol gtfoh
Ridin Dirty is my album!
Master P was another one that exposed the industry got to give him his flowers also
YO THAT INTRO SONG IS FIIIIIRE AF. WHERE CAN I FIND THAT? WHATS THE NAME OF IT?
Math laughing that hard on KRS1 telling them good luck on that bad contract signing was telling on what type of dude he is…SHIT WASN’t THAT FUCKN FUNNY BRO
Thats how you laugh at bullsh*t
Great information ℹ️ bun b
That's how we were in Texas. Your real friend was your real friend. 💯
Alot of jewels in this interview.
Bun is a legend
He talks so differently when he’s around people then when he’s by himself… just saying💯
I've heard Bun B tell that story about meeting KRS after signing before... its still funny. Fucked up, but funny how he tells it.
Krs One: y’all sign yet?
UGK: Yeah we signed just now
Krs One: Fuck! Good luck my brother (Walks off)
Math: 😂😂😂😂😂
Nice intro Math
I guess its true, Timing is everything 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
back in the day i was an engineer and went on tour with UGk. we were in Tulsa Okalahoma with mr 32, DMG, Big Mike. Bun B spent the entire tour blackout drunk. He was the life of the patrty but it got dark because he kept running away at night and we had to go find him. Mr 32 was a true friend he always went to the inner city and found him in a drug den. RIP 32
What year was this?
We need a KRS nd Bun in each region, to cover the whole Spectrum of the Cultur
[That we call HipHop]
Yo Math, maybe get back to battle rap bro. Don’t release music man
These millennials forget that there was no Internet and ready exchange of information back in the 90s. Young people had no clue what they were signing up for the only reason you think it’s clear now is because all those people have told the horror stories
*”sold publishing for 50 grand” 😮 - MELL DUNEY 616*
There are a lot of people who got the bad end of being in the industry and it’s not fun!
Where’s the album hoffa
This dude said F a plan Jane don’t insult my intelligence😂😂😂 that line alone let’s me know you already did that
KRS a real one 💯
🐐🐐🐐🤟🏿UGK🤟🏿🐐🐐🐐💐🎤
These podcast hopefully gonna save a few aspiring musicians from singing bad paperwork. Of course you still need to know what bad contractual language looks like. Cause record contracts to the untrained eye are clever as fuck. And a lot of artist are still going to sign paperwork they know is bad cause they think it’s their only chance at their dream. But hopefully stories like this can save up and coming artist even if it’s only a few. So much power in people broadcasting the contractual horror stories of the industry.
You can literally see people skipping the intro from the most watched. The intro/outro is getting so played out man we know the shit is out please show us something else
😂😂😂😂
I look at ppl who work in the industry as weirdo’s!!!
Even my favorite entertainers !
Tap thumbnail, tap, tap, tap. Lol
gotten to the point i know the exact amount of right arrow taps to skip that garbo
Well tell her I'll be here in Davenport Iowa.
Do you know how easy it is too trick the youth I challenge anybody at 18 years old who took the time to read a contract they won’t they will just sign
Smh a minute in and I am pissed at the level of how bad they contract is.
Nah Math we only want Where my dogs at as the intro music video
I hope ball and g are next up.
People now have heard so much about bad contracts and all that, guys back then didn’t know shit and like he was saying they were still teenagers. You can’t really judge people on a bad contract signing from back then and under those circumstances.
Nahhhhhh music acts Especially Black been getting screwed going back to the very beginning. Even in the 80s & 1990s, these young artists should’ve been tryna learn from the oldheads pumpin hits in the 1950s & 60s. The game hasn’t changed
@@seensay2132 a lot of young people aren’t hip to the ways of the world until they’re older and dealing with the stuff themselves. I think with the internet it’s way more known now.
What different type shhh Pimp was into besides uplifting his people #Sacrifice #RIPPimpC
Ok,the song at the end, much better❤
1-900-bun b is what I go to when I wanna show people how grimey bun was back in the day
Or his verse on "Murda" , or "Goodstuff" for that matter
@@Highznberg mutha ain't mine was pretty brutal too lol
Where can I listen to 1-900-Bun
Industry rule number 4080....Jive record label was crazyyyyyy.......
He wrote like a whole song about the experience years ago, but...
Barry Weiss def was up there with Lyor when it came to this hiphop thing. I want to see thr music executives side for why they would exploit artists like this. Was this also going on with NSYNC and Brittney. That man and Clive cadler should be brought to task for the things they did.
If he knew from KRS one then he would have been able to exercise the recission period clause and got out of the contract.
U got Bun, had Paul u gotta get slim up here next
R.I.P Pimp, we still fuks with you BUN
KRS-One a legend
Math Hoffa is a MC not a rapper there's a difference it's displayed in the beginning of this video
0:27 thank me later 😎
Math Hoffa music is NOT good at all..... stick with the podcast
😂💀💀
Dude with the dreadlocks stop asking questions after Bun B started getting into the interview
KRS-One…. Know The right language to use to wake them up… dope story… damn I luv HipHop
KRS-One on the show would be 🔥
Even on a light year 😂😂😂
Whos the white dude with the glasss? Genuine question
Statik Selectah
Trillville New York restaurant I know already 😂
I didn't understand why it was so damn funny what krs said to them..he was trying to warn them...but math got a kick out of that
Yeah,that's why u didn't have pimp c back when he was speaking on it...
Trust nobody moral
Of the story
Club shay shay is a clown.math shouldve pushed for that interview
Why name a record label shady?
Im still stuck on Pimp turning down the deal w Dame Dash 😅..that wouldve been different and helpful IMO
It's all about the terms though
Sorry homie.....I fast forward RIGHT TF PASS the intro😂
PAY ATTENTION!!