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PROJECT CUPRA ON THE DYNO - FIND OUT HOW MUCH ABOVE STOCK POWER IT'S PRODUCING
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It's worth watching the track video too to see the car perform flat out so you get an idea of how it shifts especially in comparison to a well driven new RS3.
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In this video I take Project Cupra to Racingline and run it up on their development dyno to see if it's been remapped. The result was somewhat unexpected. Please note the Racingline dyno isn't normaily for public use as it's used solely for development of their hardware and software, I was very lucky to have this opportunity.
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Av finally got a pure grey tcr, argghhhh so excited it's amazing, I pick it up Tuesday, got me carbon mirror caps to put on, traded in my gtd, well happy thanks for all ya uploads Andrew.
Nice one David, you will love it
@@volkswizard been watching your channel for a few years now love it, don't go away.
lovely car !
@@davidbailey5892 some engine m8 really great
It would have been good to see them fitting the racingline turbo intake pipe as well to see the difference to stock
One for the future, at the moment I can't go back on track with the stock brakes and upgrading those means oil management system required so quite a lot of expense. Car's fast enough as it is but I will want more and when I do I'll get those bits fitted👍
Better to throw in turbo technics intake pipe works well with r600 perfect combo!!!
Why did you not add the turbo elbow and the silicone hose? The OEM hose and elbow are so restrictive
Fair point, I had the R600 spare from my Golf and don't really have the budget to spend any more as brake upgrade and oil management system is more important. When I can afford it, I'll go back and get those bits 👍
What size wide are the wheels pal 8 or 8.5
Fascinating - must have been a nice surprise to find out your car has a totally stock ECU!
I'm enjoying "Project Cupra", as I do with all the "Project" videos. Something different to the new car reviews (which I enjoy too). Also looking forward to seeing what mods you do to it - who knows, I might do some of them, once the warranty runs out on my R! Particularly interested to see what you do with the brakes & whether it's a better value upgrade than fitting the "Performance Pack" 2 piece brake discs. The R600 air intake looks well worth it too (although I'd be reluctant to do that on a warrantied car).
Keep the Project Cupra videos coming 👍
Thanks Andrew, will do👍
The performance pack brakes aren't all that great. Having heard what happens when you upgrade the brakes (oil through turbo) and brake hard I do wonder if VW didn't really want the car to stop faster (though the 2 piece brakes will prevent fade).
@@volkswizard the "oil in the turbo" is something I've never heard of & would never have entered my mind! Good to know, although maybe it's more of a "track day" issue, but food for thought none the less.
Good video showing the dyno figures with a clear explanation. I fitted the R600 Evo plus new RL associated hoses to my Mk8 GTI. Sounds better but frankly looks better than stock fit. Enjoy the Cupra Andrew.
Thanks Tony👍 Ahh yes, hoses must be on my list too. I forget this car is out of warranty so I do whatever I want to it. It does need some more noise and would prefer induction over exhaust. Nice to the R600 with an old type engine cover (as opposed to my Mk8) as they look great together.
Ah yes, Mk8 engine cover. Don't get me started on that one please Volkswizard.....
I cannot believe that the car was nest 300bhp. Glad to see you are enjoying the car 😊
Just 300 bhp was that Jaco? It's weird but performance is power vs weight so maybe it's just light being 2wd, 2 door and manual?
All 280/290/300 cupras will make around 300 bhp except the cupra r and I believe the fl which make around 310
I got this all planned on my 290, great vid
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Power-to-Weight vs Performance...it's interesting to witness. My mate had an old Leon FR on an 07 plate...standard 170 bhp, great on diesel...and it must've been mapped to about 228/230bhp'ish...and either from standing-starts, or run-ups on motorways...I'm telling you, it was keeping up with most other high-powered diesels, and even some petrol-powered MK7 GTI's and R's,...and he raced a few MK5 R32's...They were all slightly ahead like, don't get me wrong, but he beat at least 2 old MK5 R32's, and Type-R's etc...good car for what it was...The only qualm was, it had no beefed-up diff on it, so spin and torque-steer were rampant. If he could've planted the power down better, the torque would've been even more lethal than it already was....
Live and learn young Andrew, live and learn.👍 We look forward to the Cupra journey.
It would be interesting to know the cost of the dyno test.
I should have said, the Racingline dyno is used for developing their OEM+ software and hardware, it's not for public use. MRC Tuning in Banbury and VRS in Northampton do offer dyno testing though
@@volkswizard Thanks for info.
Good video Andrew but what would be the cost of buying and fitting the part and the dyno run to gain 5bhp? Thanks
I have a 2018 GTI 7.5PP, had it stage 1 mapped at Unicorn in Stockport, made exactly the quoted 245bhp standard, (305bhp/379lbs/ft mapped) had heard rumours that they made more as stock... Will definitely be getting an R600 though, didn't think an intake would make that much difference.
I also purchased a pure grey tcr from watching this channels excellent videos , great video as always Andrew looking forward to all the mods happening to the seat and definitely please don’t away 👍🏻👍🏻
Hey ya boy ted. Thanks for commenting! I will always have a soft spot for TCR and I am sure it will be a track car for me in the future as it's got lots of potential. The Cupra mods all apply too so hope you don't go away either 👍👍👍
Interesting but in a drag race the RS3 would leave you in its dust. As for track driving the RS3 is heavy but in the wet the 4 wheel drive would allow the RS3 to pull away from you easily. Comparing your Cupra to a NEW RS3 on price isn't really worth mentioning as a similar age S3 or RS3 to your Cupra would again leave the Cupra especially in the wet. Tyres on the RS3 and the driver might have been contributions. I remember watching a racing driver drive most 2017/18 hatches around an Australian circuit and the Hyundai I30N beat them all including the Honda Civic type R.
Simple mods added to a Golf R, Audi S3 / RS3 would destroy the Cupra even more so I think chasing fast production 4 wheel drive cars will cost you thousands and in the end cost more than buying a fast 4 wheel drive hatch of a similar age.
A Cupra is always faster than an equivalent Golf R in dry conditions both in the corners and in straight line acceleration (not off the line of course).
@@jamie3499 Interesting as my S3 which is the same as the Golf R seems to leave Cupra's in the dust. Auto box is a help but you have to know how to use it.
@@RB-lt8kt on a roll the Cupra is the faster accelerating car. Same power, less weight and less drive train losses.
@@jamie3499 Hi not in my experience. My friend has a Golf GTI club sport edition which is the same as the Cupra and it can't keep up with my S3. They are both automatics.
@@RB-lt8kt the Clubsport is not the same as a Cupra.
Looking at getting Golf R or Leon Cupra 300 with a manual gearbox. Found a Golf stage 1 with a Sachs organic performance clutch and upgraded flywheel and clutch slave cylinder, and upgraded brakes all fitted just one year ago by the owner who is a mechanic. It has full service history, 4 new Pilot Sport tyres, 2 owners, and 26k for £19k 2015, or a stock Leon Cupra, FSH, one owner, 2017, 13k for, £20,600. Toss up between the two. What would you go for? Couple of concerns. Worried that the stock clutch won't last on the Cupra, and why the chap selling his Golf only a year aft spending more than £3k years on mods
I still prefer my mk7.5.
I think the front end just looks better than the mk8. Besides, all i did was add a tuning box enjoying 330hp 430nm and 247kw. Timed it to 4.5 seconds 0 to 100
6hp improvement. Just clear your bowels before setting off, and it will have the same effect and cost nothing. That is interesting about the oil surge, as I was gettign this around certain roundabouts and tightish [2nd or 3rd gear] right hand corners in my 1.8 [accelerate mid corner and I guess stability control stops the car from understeering much, but it's too much for the pcv]. I just dont push it that hard in those corners any longer, as i want the car to last. That was in my first few weeks of ownership, and I've had the car 6 years with no issues around that, so I guess I did no lasting damage.
Fair point. The reason I've fitted it is to help on warm days when intake air temperatures can cause the engine to pull back timing.
Hi mr Volkswizard, with your experience, can you answer this please, is a GTI mk8 clubsport 10.000 euro "better" then the regular GTI? Because thats the price difference here in my country. Thank you!
Probably not especially if you don't drive on track. Chassis I think is the same so it's just engine and trim and 'that' spoiler and the brakes. 245 gets the VAQ diff which is crucial. In UK we get IQ lights with both models so if CS gets IQ lights and other extras in your market then price difference might be justified (but probably not)
@@volkswizard no, iq lights are optional with CS..... But i do drive on the nurburgring but not often. Thanks for the answer.
Looks nice with the R360's :) I do like Racingline stuff - Just wish you could get more for my mk8 1.5etsi.
Hopefully range will extend to your model in time as 1.5 TSI is a big seller. Glad you like the wheels, they suit pretty much anything but I think they really work on Leon as car and wheel have Lambo design influences👍
R600 induction gains are decent, but not good value compared to the cost :( [I have one on mine]
It's begging for a stage 1 remap next - make the most of it 😁😁
Good info about the racingline catch can as i had to find out the hard way on track when i saw the big plume of smoke coming from my cupra 290 ... lucky i had no damage ! DONT GO ON TRACK WITH SEMI SLICKS WITHOUT IT 😊 👍 !!!
Disappointing they have that issue but good that there is a relatively simple fix 👍
keep oil topped up...
Hi Andrew just watching this has confirmed what I've suspected about the EA888 unit fitted in many VAG vehicles for some time now, that the quoted P.S. figure (standard)is in your case a very conservative one, makes me wonder what the actual BHP is in my VRS tp. Interesting vlog Andrew 👏👍
I guessed 311, I'd be happy with 305 though given my car only has 75.
75 is better than a train ticket😁
I've got the Racingline catch can on my 1.8tsi FR and no plumes of white smoke any more 👍
Nice. Did you have them before Paul?
@@volkswizard Yes had white smoke and high oil consumption on track days plus blocked injectors with oil going through the intake system
Last time out at Thruxton after having the Racingline system fitted there was no white smoke, it didn't use any oil and car was running fine. After a Thruxton outing last year before having the system fitted the car was using a lot of oil and run rough enough to trigger engine light.
Does that mean my mk7 clubsport has also the R software?
I think Matt specifically said Clubsports didn't have R software. Mk7 has that weird overboost function so software has to be different. I think engine is the same hardware though
I have a mk7 Clubsport
Would love to know if it’s possible to get this same R software put onto it to remove the silly overboost function!
Or better still……. The Clubsport S software 🤔
@@simonehayes4911 dont know, would like to have that also
happy dyno for sure, they never produce those sort of figures stock. i agree with him on the additional power a mapped car will gain with an r600 compared to stock ecu software gains completely, my stage 3 cupra lost 13bhp when i removed the r600, tested on the same dyno, although slightly different temps.
If it's got the Golf R hardware (engine code says so) and software (ECU scan says so), why wouldn't it produce the same power/torque as the Golf which in Mk7 guise always used to come in around the 300 when dyno'd? It anything it feels faster than 300 ish and faster than a Mk7 Golf R which is due to Leon being lighter.
@@volkswizard it has the same ecu of course, but it doesnt mean the stock ecu file is the exact same, you have to remember all dynos differ, most cupra 280's which are rated in ps, make around the 280bhp make. for it to make 20bhp extra on a dyno would indicate a dyno that likes to give out happy results.
@@arronlowley5659 it’s the exact same file
@@ChrisplayThrough64 explain where the extra power comes from then? As most r are 300/310ps, I had a cupra 280 and it made 286bhp/265ibft when dynod with stock ecu software, that was with a turbo elbow and panel filter. As I say, every dyno is different, so many variables like intake temps, humidity, how the dyno calculates losses etc, no dyno in reality is 100% accurate but 299bhp stock is a little far fetched.
Wow free bhp always a good thing 😝🤘
Indeed 😆👍
Great stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it Richard😎
All these Cupra’s, regardless of the badge designation, seem to run the same power of the equivalent Golf R at the time. So, seems like a marketing thing to try and keep the shine on the VW, but realistically these are just as quick, if not quicker. The only exception is with the MK8 now having a bit more than the equivalent Cupra models.
It’s a funny one. Almost as if they wanted the reviews to spread the word rather than spec sheet. Autocar R vs Cupra track video from 2014 with Steve Sutcliffe worth a watch 👍
@@volkswizard my 2020 Cupra 290 literally went back about an hour ago and I’m really gonna miss it. The perfect fast, fun daily. Mine just had a resonator delete and a Ramair panel filter but it made all the right noises, even with the GPF. I love that video and I do find myself watching it quite a bit!
Interesting content excellent facilities 👍
Thanks Jay, yes indeed that's a sweet dyno 👌
Beast of a car👍
Thanks Rasher 👍
I have 2019 gti pp and it made 264hp and 389nm stock. After custom stage 1 map it did 322.5hp and 467nm. Great results to my car 👍😎
Still think it's a very cool car👍
Guess it's credit to your driving then. I thought it was mapped to
I wish! The Goodyear Supersport R track tyres would have helped in the corners as RS3 was on newish Pirellis plus the driver said he wasn't pushing in the corners. It's the performance on the straight that was the most interesting as both cars were flat out. Sure RS3 was getting away but not by as much as you might have thought. It's a fascinating comparison as clearly shows the benefits of a light simple car over a more powerful heavier one and how all that extra kit on RS3 is to help it justify its price and position in range, not to make it actually that much faster. Obviously standing starts and even the exit from the hairpin are way faster but after that it's far less clear cut.
manual gear box, 3 door.... ha! 👍👍
350
That's what I thought but it was just 300
You asked us to pick a value between 250 and 400 PS and I picked 600. Numbers were never my strong point….. and I taught Maths for 30 years…..
That new RS3 is full of restrictions and placebos to get people to buy them still, let’s face it whose spending 70k on a track day car?
If The Cupra is anywhere near 340 it would keep up with one I’d say
Funny you say that,I've got a stage 1 335d at 380hp and a new RS3 struggled to stay with me. Dunno if it was the driver but he was definitely giving it full beans
Bet RS3 is heavier by quite a bit
@@rossmale8715 yeah i think the newer one isn’t quite the same car as the old one was, which let’s face it, was pretty savage even with the easily rectified modicum of understeer
Think Audi are pulling peoples pants down to be fair, like the mk3 of all cars they tend to get worse not better 🤣
@@volkswizard do you think, I'd of thought a 4wd 3 series saloon would be the same if not heavier? Plus he was on his own in the car and I wasn't.
@@maverick4177 yeah the new one has caused quite a stir with more than one journalist accused of having a seat at the Audi dinner table. Who knows really. It's a nice car either way,just a bit silly priced
Still prefer the Seat brand over the VW, way to much snobbery and they're so common to see nowadays.
I think SEAT is rarer because they never reach their sales targets, probably because VW discount to below SEAT RRP and due to slower depreciation, VW finances cheaper. Occasionally SEAT do really good deals like they did on facelift Cupra a few years ago but usually they find it hard to compete
Seat/Skoda is just the knock off brands from VW.