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  • @rodneysteffen6376
    @rodneysteffen6376 Рік тому +10

    I have that exact model, and I think some of the criticisms are exaggerated. The handling is on par with other bikes of similar age and size. They don't vibrate that bad - not nearly as much as a 4 stroke twin like the popular 650 Yamaha. The exhaust smoke on start up seen in the video tells me it hasn't been started in a while; there isn't that much if they get ridden regularly. Yeah, they're noisy and the gas mileage isn't so good. I set mine up with taller 17/47 sprockets, which lowers the rpms at cruise. Reduces vibration and improves gas consumption. I get about 30 mpg over all; not too bad for a 2 stroke. The long smooth seat lets me vary my riding position, making for a reasonably comfortable highway ride. The stock brakes are quite good; the '73 Cycle magazine super bike test measured the H2 at .922g - the best of the lot.

  • @mixolydiano8954
    @mixolydiano8954 Рік тому +26

    The best motorcycle UA-cam channel covering some before-my-time bikes? Instant click.

  • @jamesmcmillan2656
    @jamesmcmillan2656 Рік тому +11

    I owned one in the early 80s. I rode it from Perth to Adelaide in Australia and it destroyed my body. Loved that bike.

    • @jurgentreue1200
      @jurgentreue1200 Рік тому

      In the 1970-80s the coming of age for a motorcyclist in Australia was riding across the Nullarbor Plain and back, on anything.

  • @justjeff4173
    @justjeff4173 Рік тому +10

    After owning a '74 H2 for a couple of years a riding buddy offered me his Z1 to try. It was amazing how different it felt - smooth, heavy and insulated. A completely different riding experience. However, at the time at least, I felt like I preferred the H2 with it's lightness and more visceral feel. It seemed like I could feel everything that was going on with the bike. I've owned some pretty amazing bikes since then including a ZRX1200 that I owned for over 15 years and deeply loved. However if I could have one bike back it would be that H2.

  • @jordanjoestar8839
    @jordanjoestar8839 Рік тому +9

    Miss the 70s bikes. I work at a motorcycle dealership and even having ridden hundreds of machines, nothing was like my 1979 XS1100. 11 second bike, and I removed about 80lbs, lowered the rear and upgraded the brakes/cafe style bars so who knows how fast it was being lower and lighter. Truly a beast of a machine.

  • @paulbryan1094
    @paulbryan1094 Рік тому +3

    My first bike was a KH250. Brilliant piece of kit

  • @nickrider5220
    @nickrider5220 Рік тому +10

    The 70s, when the Japanese bikes didn't handle too well...or stop ! In 1983 I remember an H2 overtook our school minibus , wow - the noise !!! and the smoke obscured the road ahead .....awesome 🙂 Great video 👍😎

  • @flatcapcaferacer
    @flatcapcaferacer Рік тому +4

    I was lucky enough to start riding in 1969 on Kawasakis including triples. The 1972 H2 is the only bike that frightened me and 50+ years riding later and riding up to 200 horsepower bikes it still is the only one.
    There were a few riders that could get a stocker a 12.3 to 12.5 quarter mile but the only stocker that could get to close to a flat 12.0 were professional riders.
    Nowadays my stock BMW R9T and Thruxton R would beat a 1972 H2 in the quarter mile 7 or 8 out ten times, but nothing to this day as puckered me up as much as a 1972 H2.

  • @freemenofengland2880
    @freemenofengland2880 Рік тому +2

    As a young teenager I used to see these at Knott Mill Motorcycles in Manchester, a Kawasaki main dealer. 250s, 400s, 500s and 750s as well as the Z1 King of the Road. The purple bikes were always my favourite. Awesome memories.

  • @brucekendall52
    @brucekendall52 Рік тому +4

    A collectors dream.Priceless.

  • @MillerMotoring
    @MillerMotoring Рік тому +3

    Loved the comments on your riding impressions. When you kicked it over your face looked the day you and your mate found dad's playboys! :D :D :D

  • @mauroignelzi329
    @mauroignelzi329 Рік тому +3

    My auto shop teacher had one in the 70s got to ride it once 😳 WOW even the Busa would have a problem for the first 100 feet

  • @BirdArvid
    @BirdArvid Рік тому +3

    And THAT'S what a 70's bike looked like; bright colours and lots of shiny metal and chrome; not the blacked out retro-bikes we have now. That's what I grew up hankering for, yearning to own and ride.. so to me, that's what a motorcycle should look like; you can look through them, they're lighter-looking than modern bikes.. lovely!

  • @A_S_100
    @A_S_100 Рік тому +4

    Cool Video. I think you should take a ride on a Suzuki GT750 or a Suzuki GT550 to see a different world of triple 2 strokes. You might like it.

  • @mudslinger5833
    @mudslinger5833 Рік тому +6

    What a wonderful sound.

  • @nicholasgage2095
    @nicholasgage2095 Рік тому +12

    Just love that sound and you can almost smell the two stroke. Fantastic!

  • @chrisstephens6194
    @chrisstephens6194 Рік тому +3

    Rg500 998r H2, keep it up fella it's the best watch on the Internet.

  • @CPUspeed
    @CPUspeed Рік тому +4

    I remember 16yo in motorcycle shop and my mother asking me if the 500 h2 was too much bike for me. I pointed to the 1000 bike and said see that’s a 1000 this is just a 500 😅

  • @jamesharback6154
    @jamesharback6154 8 місяців тому

    I purchased a brand new 1974 H2 in 1975. It was a blast. Scared the crap out of all the time but, that's what made it so great. I even had to ride it one time about twenty miles home from school in the snow. That was very interesting.

  • @yonniboy1
    @yonniboy1 Рік тому +3

    I moved to the 1975 H2 from an S2 350 Kawasaki but every time the road was even damp it would either spin the back wheel or go sideways, I later bought a magnum rolling chassis and dropped the H2 engine in after a Stan Stephens stage two tune, it handled beautifully and with 105bhp was probably the fastest bike in N. Ireland at the time.

  • @harrycalibra
    @harrycalibra Рік тому +2

    Brings back good memories my old M reg Suzuki GT250A with expansion chambers love that thing two strokes love them 😎👌

  • @stephengunrunnerhanson3550
    @stephengunrunnerhanson3550 Рік тому +2

    I had a h2 750 and there not bad new tyres new shocks better brakes new oil in the forks and it handle like a train yes never close the throttle into a bend but that's like most bike and a widow maker neve half of them that had one were afraid of them fantastic bike yes I said new tyres Dunlop tt100. Improved helped in the wet but widow makers no I am still here then it was one of the fastest bikes on the road

  • @paulocarreiro5855
    @paulocarreiro5855 Рік тому +3

    "It wasn't going to be where you last put it" That's just brilliant!

  • @spud3607
    @spud3607 Рік тому +3

    If I remember right, this used to do 12mpg at full chat. You could get from one service station to the next and fill up again!

    • @SirOsisofLiver
      @SirOsisofLiver 9 місяців тому

      Sounds about right. I had a '75 GT550 Suzuki. It was considerably more mellow than the Kawasakis, but the absolute best I could eke out was about 30mpg. Flogging it would have it down in the teens. I'd hit reserve at 50 miles on one particularly exuberant ride. The KZ900 was a miser in comparison.

  • @richardgiles2484
    @richardgiles2484 Рік тому +2

    my 1st bike was a Yamaha RD200 Electric start with a killer drum brake on the front 🤣 I wish I still had it made in 1973 but I still have the front number plate on my shed wall 🤣🤣

  • @cecilwilson5442
    @cecilwilson5442 Рік тому +2

    You certainly seemed to enjoy the ride out on the 750 triple,, much as I enjoyed watching it ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland great series of videos

  • @siraff4461
    @siraff4461 Рік тому +4

    I love that thing.
    Remember when he says it did a 12s 1/4 he's talking about back in the day on 70's rubber. Tyres have come a long way since then and I'm sure that time would be significantly lower now.
    That was also in standard trim and even back then there weren't all that many of these which got left alone. Pipes, jetting and minor porting could see some very, very large gains if you were daft enough.

  • @donjingle4059
    @donjingle4059 Рік тому +2

    I rode a Kawasaki KH400 back in the 80's and it was pretty wild. That H2 must be insane.

  • @williamb.9110
    @williamb.9110 Рік тому +2

    I had one (same color) back in 1975! My first ever "superbike". Gawd, I loved that machine! I sure wish I had hung onto it now for all these years. Very rare indeed.

  • @boostaholic7116
    @boostaholic7116 Рік тому +4

    What a review! Two stroke is my youth ❤️ the smell, sound the power band ring a ding ding! Can't wait for the new H2 review 👍

  • @mr_benn_escapes_lockdown1780
    @mr_benn_escapes_lockdown1780 Рік тому +1

    I worked with a guy at the start of the Eighties who was a few years older than me, 1975ish he had a Z1 and his brother a brand new H2 (probably with the bugger ports 🙂in case you missed it...).
    He told a tale of them making good progress around Falmouth and passing plod in a Moggy Minor, instead of making his escape in a haze of blue smoke his brother was looking over his shoulder (mirrors too blurry) to see if plod was leaping in to action, by the time he looked back he didn't have the 100m needed to slow down for the next corner, result one written off H2.
    Plod turned up and said he hadn't even thought of a 'pursuit'.

  • @chrisjonesbath
    @chrisjonesbath Рік тому +2

    One of my biggest biking regrets is buying the new Z650 in 1976 rather than a big stroker. I hated the 4-cylinder Z650 and soon sold it for a big twin and never looked back :-)

  • @joeblow5037
    @joeblow5037 Рік тому +3

    Hell yes!!!
    Took care of a buddies 750 for a few months whilst I was in the Corps, and he was on deployment.
    He trusted me because, at the time, my daily ride was a '75 Trident T160.
    Both fun bikes 🙂

  • @northerniltree
    @northerniltree 5 місяців тому +1

    I have the same bike, and the same color. The purple '75 H2 will live forever in infamy. And, that's a good thing.

  • @-DC-
    @-DC- Рік тому +5

    What a machine ❤️

  • @gregrsvr3947
    @gregrsvr3947 Рік тому +3

    Decent rear shocks make a world of difference.

  • @malcellison8831
    @malcellison8831 Рік тому +3

    A bike I lusted after as a 17 year-old, but way out of my price range. Great review as always.

  • @christinebeckett7060
    @christinebeckett7060 11 місяців тому

    People commuted on them back then. Myself and most of my mates had bikes mainly because we could not afford a decent car, so those beasts, and others like them, took us to work and back every day, and everywhere else we wanted or needed to go.
    Gotta love those 74/75 paint schemes. I thought those schemes made the Kawa triples the most beautiful bikes ever.

  • @andypandy9931
    @andypandy9931 Рік тому +3

    Used to have one jus t like that, it cost £739.00 new. If you think it handles badly you should try the H1 500cc which I had previously. Good video.

  • @MrDickBills
    @MrDickBills Рік тому +1

    At work I met a customer that had owned an original H2. By coincidence my next job was at an industrial unit with cars and sport bikes. I mentioned that the last person I spoke to had owned an original H2. He was in to bikes, but had no idea that there was such a thing. Sort of reminded me how old I am.

  • @davidyersz8668
    @davidyersz8668 Рік тому +2

    What a stunning looking bike I grew with these bikes I had a KH250 tripple in 1980 and it sounded great, never driven the KH400 or the H1500 or the H2750 but would have loved to great review on one of my fave icon bikes

  • @mrnobodytheuser2950
    @mrnobodytheuser2950 10 місяців тому +2

    70s bikes are beautiful so are the Cars.

  • @theonlyredspecial
    @theonlyredspecial Рік тому +4

    I’m lucky to own a new 2016 h2 which I’ve spent a fortune customising and tuning to around 300 hp at the crank. Fantastic to see the original which was before my time. Thanks ❤

  • @Grahamvfr
    @Grahamvfr Рік тому +2

    Brilliant, now you know when us old duffers hear you guys talk about a new bike not handling veryvwell.. We will always shake our head and and think.. "really??"

  • @magellanicspaceclouds
    @magellanicspaceclouds Рік тому +3

    Can't wait for Chris to ride a vintage hand-shifted bike! 😆

  • @BROKENHEARTDESIDUDERJ
    @BROKENHEARTDESIDUDERJ Рік тому +1

    Old is Gold 🪙 Always

  • @astrostrotch
    @astrostrotch Рік тому +2

    Has James got an early 500? They were the exciting one's, knife edge power and even more disgusting handling courtesy of a frame made of gas pipe. All the 750's were mildly tuned by comparison. I love 'em, lol.

  • @m2menuiserie540
    @m2menuiserie540 8 місяців тому

    1971? 1972? Can't remember. Had the blue one from Comerfords, Thames Ditton. One of the first six imported to UK. Absolutely crazy machine that I loved to bits. So many hairpins on the M1 motorway. Brown-trousering tank slappers. Dawn blasts London to Brizzel. Always worried about scraping the rear numberplate off. Blew all the exhaust baffles out once; thought I was being followed by a fighter jet. Fuel consumption at speed was 16 mpg. Thanks for the nostalgic reminder. Ride safely.

  • @Topendz
    @Topendz Рік тому +1

    Loved Ogri growing up!

  • @spudbarry
    @spudbarry Рік тому +2

    I had a Kawasaki 500 H1E, i had a few scary moments on it, i bought a racing tank off my mate and I fitted clip ons & rear sets which improved the handling and went to the TT in 1976 with my mates on a Yamaha 350 and kawasaki H1A - some great memories of going around the TT course on it, one thing i remember was the fuel consumption - I only got about 20 mpg!! but i wasn't bothered as it was such a beautiful bike and petrol was cheap then !!

  • @tomme2314
    @tomme2314 Рік тому +12

    Awesome video, I love the 70’s 2-stroke triples ❤ would be cool if you guys would update the dreamrides playlist so I can rewatch the whole series in one go!

  • @robertmaitland09
    @robertmaitland09 Рік тому +1

    I swear i got a whiff of 2 stroke watching this. That road looks like the Strines!

  • @MadChalet
    @MadChalet Рік тому +2

    This is a really entertaining series-great idea to partner with The Bike Specialist to take a walk down memory lane. 👍I've only ridden two 2-strokes in my life, a mid-70s Kawasaki 400 and an '83 Yamaha RZ 350. Both were brief stints as I was searching for a new bike at one time and another. The Kawasaki ... the sound, the smell, the vibrations and the abrupt power all made my hair stand up - it was a bit frightening. The Yamaha was mellower, given that it was liquid cooled (so quieter) and tuned for a less abrupt punch of power. I didn't buy either of 'em, but they sure are great memories.

  • @jayfilmer2594
    @jayfilmer2594 Рік тому +3

    Brilliant series keep the great reviews coming!

  • @2wheels6strings8
    @2wheels6strings8 Рік тому +1

    Loved Ogri! And Bloodrunners!

  • @Bemoto
    @Bemoto Рік тому +2

    Can't we come with you on these videos and have a ride of the bikes as well?! Great video!

  • @markputnam6371
    @markputnam6371 Рік тому +1

    Not sure I have heard you giggle quite so much Chris on any other bike. Maybe that should now be the measure of a bikes fun level, Chris’s giggle meter😀
    I’m old enough to remember these and the other 2smokers, they were so much fun, very involving, not always in a good way either. Thanks for these videos Chris really makes my day when they come out.

  • @michaelhayward7572
    @michaelhayward7572 Рік тому +1

    This is why old bikes are far better than new bikes.

  • @SuperFastino
    @SuperFastino Рік тому +1

    great video , this bike was my first introduction to s super bike, my uncle had one, he use to ring its neck lol loved it! was to young to have a go but it got me hooked on bikes, ive never looked back ;-)

  • @Morbieman
    @Morbieman Рік тому +1

    Ah, the purple people eater. I want that motorcycle so badly.

  • @leedavidson7314
    @leedavidson7314 Рік тому +1

    Should have more of you testing the older machines bet it smelt beautiful

  • @joelg34
    @joelg34 Рік тому +1

    Hail seizure. I can smell the Castrol R from here, and it's bloomin lovely.

  • @hotblackdesiato3451
    @hotblackdesiato3451 Рік тому +2

    Redline is 7500 - 12000 and the frame is made of toffee.
    I heard the final test in SAS selection is to ride one for 100 miles.

  • @skts2610
    @skts2610 Рік тому +2

    Superb… My cousin started his racing career on one of these!! Brilliant stuff Chris, roll on the next test👌🏽

  • @JonMurray
    @JonMurray Рік тому +2

    Brilliant video as always guys. That looked like so much fun to ride man! A bit of a handful but definitely fun haha!

  • @theriderdtm8650
    @theriderdtm8650 Рік тому +3

    Yeaaaah❗✌🏻 stroke

  • @MotoGoato
    @MotoGoato Рік тому +3

    8:25 .... so much like a modern KTM 4 stroke engine then ... "you'd swear it was broken" .... lol 😂😂🤣🤣

  • @alextaylor9139
    @alextaylor9139 Рік тому +2

    That road is my direct route into the peaks, is weird seeing it on UA-cam

  • @RadDadisRad
    @RadDadisRad Рік тому +1

    Awesome color on that bike.

  • @djwozzawoz
    @djwozzawoz Рік тому +3

    I used to own a Suzuki GT 250 X7, similar madness...If I didn't do 100mph every day I knew something was wrong..

    • @oceanhome2023
      @oceanhome2023 11 місяців тому +1

      Lol me too 250cc model, essentially a modernized X6 Hustler, I swapped many of the 350 (315 cc actually) bores ,heads and carbs ! I had the scrambler model with the high pipes and that turned out well because I was able to conceal expansion chambers behind the chromed heat shields and still retain the chromed tips that looked so cool ! It was too loud so I installed an adjustable washer valve just inside the tips ! It was my Ring Ding Giant killer ! I could get to over 100 MPH quickly and I could get 14 to 15 seconds in the quarter mile ! 1969 , I miss it !

    • @djwozzawoz
      @djwozzawoz 11 місяців тому

      cool!
      @@oceanhome2023

  • @KB-yj5xp
    @KB-yj5xp Рік тому +1

    Thanks Chris, really enjoyable to watch these reviews. Cheers from Ottawa Canada.

  • @dukie1616
    @dukie1616 Рік тому +2

    Absolutely always look forward to these series of videos, and this one did not disappoint. Thank you👏 On a side note but related, back in the 80s I had a chance to buy a nice running H2 for $500 and opted out in lieu of a 78, CB 750. Anyway the term I could kick myself doesn’t even come close!

  • @pauldark3044
    @pauldark3044 Рік тому +1

    Great review! Continue the great work, looking forward to the modern H2!

  • @xs433
    @xs433 Рік тому +2

    glorious golden age of madness

  • @rob2475
    @rob2475 Рік тому +3

    What a fantastic video! I had the 400 triple back in the day which was bonkers enough but never got to ride the 750. Your descriptions of it were just great! You rode it so well too, so spirited and even though you’re used to much more capable and faster bikes, you appreciated how it felt to us guys in the 70’s who viewed this as we now see the likes of the top sports bikes today. Well done you! Always enjoy your content, so look forward to the next one. (GT 750 kettle? XS1100? Guzzi Le Mans1?) 🤔😉

  • @donald4095
    @donald4095 9 місяців тому

    Oh man I had to subscribe you're riding my bike and it's in for paint it's been away for a week and I already miss it had a couple of 400s when I was younger a few 500 and about six of these H2S I kept the 75 and that's my main bike that I use to ride around. You measure these bikes in smiles per mile. I'm 57 and I have never owned a bike or registered a bike that was not a Kawasaki triple except for dirt bikes...

  • @Johnnyfreitas1
    @Johnnyfreitas1 Рік тому +1

    Brill mate. Good one.

  • @einarendregaard1891
    @einarendregaard1891 15 днів тому

    Rode mine from Bergen to Malmo and back, 2K km, with clip ons. in 3 days . No problem, but of course i was young then. Now i ride 100 miles on my H2 SX SE my legs cramp lol

  • @JohnErikjohansson
    @JohnErikjohansson Рік тому

    i got an suzuki GT x4 125 2stroke from 82, it was the bike i rode when i was 16 17, and stil keep it for nostalgia. i would love to own a Kawasaki triple, or a NSR 250.

  • @kevinross5360
    @kevinross5360 Рік тому +1

    Chris you forgot to mention back in the day they used to race those things

  • @Starman331
    @Starman331 11 місяців тому +2

    I had the original model (light blue) for 35 years. I honestly loved the handling. It was so easy to change line mid corner. Best description of the handling is lively! I ride a z900rs now, and it has better grip due to the huge tyres, but the big tyres make is mushy in the bends. My 1971 h2 was like riding on a knife edge. So why did I sell it? Because I got tired of being out braked by cars, let alone bikes. I miss it though.

  • @KathrynLiz1
    @KathrynLiz1 Рік тому +1

    You were riding it like a 4 stroke..... keep it on the bugles and it's a lot more predictable.....and the 750 is a lot 'softer' than the 500, and therefore easier to ride fast..... grab a handful of throttle coming out of a bend with the engine off the bugles and when the pipes come in you'll end up with a very angry unicycle.... Those are the US model bars too...the ones we had here in NZ had flatter bars and made them easier to manage. Once the pipes are hot there's no visible smoke. Yes those Kawasaki gearboxes with neutral below bottom is a pain... no one else did that!... Many of us put better shocks on the back and that helped too...... I miss the two strokes...always loved them.... I got my motorcycle licence in 1962.....

  • @springcorgi
    @springcorgi Рік тому +1

    Awesome review guys. Love the channel.

  • @willwye410
    @willwye410 Рік тому +1

    Pah! What a wimp! As an old git brought up on 1970s bikes I say you have should tried one with original 1970s plastic tyres on wet roads for the full brown trouser experience .
    Oh, and you didn't mention the sub 25mpg economy when ridden vigorously either.
    But hey, its an iconic bike and a landmark in two wheeled lunacy. Whats not to like?

  • @bdagnolo
    @bdagnolo Рік тому

    These were a total blast.

  • @damienmorales9082
    @damienmorales9082 Рік тому

    haha awesome man rarely heard you laugh so much while riding on previous videos!! 🤙

  • @dannyboy9817
    @dannyboy9817 10 місяців тому

    I had a KH250 triple and that was mental enough. It wasn't actually that fast but felt ballistic as the power came all at once with no warning and made that glorious 3 cylinder 2 stroke howl. Miss that old horse and really rather regret selling it. I practically gave it away too. What a pillock 🙄.

  • @stylesbitchly9931
    @stylesbitchly9931 Рік тому

    Cris had the permagrin look or stank face . That’s his approval rating. I love it.

  • @tonyseath2278
    @tonyseath2278 Рік тому +2

    You learn something new every day, never knew that neutral was right at the bottom, top stuff, newly subscribed:0)

    • @BikeWorldTVshow
      @BikeWorldTVshow Рік тому +1

      Welcome Tony!

    • @tonyseath2278
      @tonyseath2278 Рік тому +1

      @@BikeWorldTVshow good to be here, just getting back into biking after 30 years, got myself a 1991 DTR 125 so I'm familiar with the buzzing two strokes and white fingers
      :0)

  • @andyfairchild2383
    @andyfairchild2383 Рік тому

    Great video, thanks.
    I had one of these in the mid ‘80’s, absolutely loved it! The noise, the powerband, the sketchy but (mostly) predictable handling…. Just a fun bike. It’s the one bike I deeply regret selling.
    I would agree it’s not great for distancethough. Two up from Buckinghamshire to Heysham for the TT wasn’t fun, but on the island, yeah worth it.

  • @neilsolomon9149
    @neilsolomon9149 Рік тому +2

    The Japanese are masters. ❤️

  • @PetesClassicCycle
    @PetesClassicCycle Рік тому

    Wonderful film!!!

  • @triplecranks
    @triplecranks Рік тому +1

    Oh my goodness that thing is absolutely beautiful! Did they originally come with a chrome chain guard?

  • @shadowred1980
    @shadowred1980 Рік тому +1

    First bike was a 88 NS125R, o that Castrol R smell. :)

  • @SPSteve
    @SPSteve Рік тому

    The 72 and 73 750's were the hotrods, the 74-75 750's were toned down. A 750cc motorcycle that got 20 MPG.

  • @jimbo1485
    @jimbo1485 Рік тому

    It sounds great

  • @lambo_greg
    @lambo_greg Рік тому

    Awesome video Thanks 🙏 I’m building 2 identical 1975 hopefully better than new. Maybe finished in a year. 👍😎

  • @stevesmith6236
    @stevesmith6236 Рік тому

    The most potent and scary of Kawasaki's two stroke "widow makers".

  • @dutchsailor6620
    @dutchsailor6620 11 місяців тому

    Put some first generation Dunlop TT100 or IRC on it for the real nostalgic experience.Those were the top tires in those days.

  • @The9meister
    @The9meister Рік тому +1

    I two speeds on my kwaka in the 70's, stop and flat out.