Just saw the original video. Pure cringe and he is a career coach? So he wants people to slave away in a toxic work environment with office politics and waste valuable time doing nothing productive. He also didn’t mention commuting. Yeah I’m sure many people are missing being stuck in traffic and wasting two hours every day instead of being more productive or being more involved with their families. 🤦♂️
I think I read the original article. The woman in the article: - She dressed to go to the office. - Drived to daycare to drop her 2 children. - Drived to the city to the office. - Then she had the 6 MINUTES meeting. - And the drived to daycare to retrieve her children. - Went back to home. She was right in being angry about that.
If this guy were around during the industrial revolution he would be saying LOOK AT THESE LAZY WORKERS ASKING FOR SAFE WORKING CONDITIONS, WEEKENDS OFF, AND CHILD LABOR LAWS. SHAME ON THEM.
All the while the workers would have black lung from all the coal dust, the kids would have developmental issues from all the heavy metals and stunted due to malnutrition. The cherry ontop is a large part of the meager wages would have likely been wasted on rot gut gin to make it all the worse. Can't forget that a lot of kids suffered amputations on the job slaving in the cotton/textile mills.
Not to mention those lazy bums want the machines to do all the work for them now. Back in my day we had to hammer iron by hand, we didn't have your fancy hammer forges. Don't even get me started on auto looms.
Boomers can't comprehend that the rules have changed. We're tired of corporations treating us like garbage and underpaying while demanding absolute loyalty. What a joke.
This 100. They want loyalty until they have to have layoffs come, then it's (no hard feelings but we need to make budget cuts) or some other weak excuse to fire you and keep the profit bonus up.
These aren’t boomer rules. Some of us boomers were complaining about the same corporate culture 40 years ago. It has more to do with the management class than a generation.
What Ken fails to realize is that, in order to make this 6 minute meeting, she probably had to arrange for early morning child care. Besides that, the night before she had to make sure everything was ready to rush out the door the next morning (extra laundry, kids lunches, maybe schedule a dog walker, etc). Then she probably had to wake up 2 hours earlier to do her hair and make-up, then wake her kids up much earlier, then rush out the door because everyone is still sleepy and grumpy from having to wake up so early. Then she had to fight traffic, construction, rude drivers, etc. just to get to the office for a 6 minute meeting. It's beyond ridiculous. Good for her for quitting. After "The Great Resignation" maybe companies will wake up and realize we won't put up with their "culture" and "corporate family".
They can count all the money they save on real estate to ease their pain. Yeah, you'll have to wait beyond a quarter to realize those savings (which I know is nearly impossible for the corporate world), but you will eventually realize them and then realize that this is actually more profitable.
In the context of Boomer, I am pretty sure they mean the personality since it was adopted by the majority of that generation, I know a lot of Gen X and Millennials part of the Management Class that has that attitude too.
@@1x93cm yup I'm seeing so many young people no longer wanting to start families. That will cause a complete destruction of the forced incentives in the slave system we currently have due to all the expenses. People will quit their jobs or work part time while staying with their parents if their folks are the type they have close relationships with or just move in with other like minded young people who dont want to work 9-5 for 43 years and be sick/decrepit in a nursing home thinking how they thought life wasn't pathetic getting just 2-4 weeks off in a whole year to rest/recuperate/barely take any vacation. Sad that people think just work/sleep/chores and an occasional holiday if they are lucky is the purpose of life.
My son told me about you. I'm a boomer who has fought against unreasonable requests for years, to the point I've put together a program to get companies to focus on valued outputs rather than busyness. You're points are right on. Thanks for sharing them. Keep it up.
Unfortunately and fortunately, I’ve had to look at it like this: They feel entitled to use employees - and I use them also. I get everything out of that experience I can as, it’s just business for me, too. I’m not interested in any lollipop cumbaya moments and, surprise for them, they don’t run a match service, where they decide that everyone must be good friends. Those are the decisions I make and they don’t have to like it.
@@rocio4618 i notice his show shares the same principles as Ramsey. Thats why he's part of Ramsey's team. Has to follow the Ramsey rules or your fired..
Dave Ramsey and his boys: Be debt-free, be different, be weird people. Also Dave and his boys: What, you want to be different? No, no, we all have to be the same. Man, you are so weird. Which is it, Dave?
I'd be fucking pissed if I had to rush to find someone to take care of my kids, get dressed, and commute JUST to do a 6 minute meeting. That's actually ridiculous.
I had to do that once to drive 30 minutes for HR to fire me in person. Joke was on them. I was still on FMLA for the disability they fired me for. But yeah, I had to find a sitter and everything.
Interesting how Ken Coleman assumes that it was just this one occurrence that prompted the employee to quit. As if the 1 hour (or whatever) round trip for a 6 minute meeting wasn't part of a repeating pattern of disrespectful behavior.
"Spend extra time, money and safety to come into the office so I can lord over you, micromanage you, and berate you in person." Is what this comes off as to me.
Spoiled and privileged for wanting to work remotely? I left my office job for a remote position that gave me a 30% raise. Who's spoiled and privileged - me, or the company that felt entitled to my skills without compensating me properly?
@@machinestats459 No, he's just telling his positive story as it relates to this video, and asking a real question that would never be asked on Ken Coleman's show. The only one who is seeking validation here is Ken Coleman.
This is a very "I had to go through this and now you have to too!" mindset. They had to go to an office for their whole life and are jealous that younger generations now have a choice to stay home and work.
I was raised in a cult, so much of “corporate culture” smacks of cultism. “Job hopping” sounds an awful lot like “church hopping” which was a shitty way the cult I was in used to guilt you into staying in the cult.
You only get a big raise by switching. It sounds as though you where at your previous company for too long and had no significant payment increases throughout your career there. Is that the case or what happened?
Just my opinion, but without employees to manage in an office, it quickly becomes clear how few managers add any value to a company. Employees who successfully work from home threaten the old models of how corporations function, and underscore how many deadwood managers are still getting paid.
@@anneeinhorn9227 Couldn't have put it better myself. If I were some higher-up and saw that the work is getting done just fine from home, I'd totally cut some mid managerial bloat. And those useless twits are scared shitless of being thrown out. The feeling of control is, while an existing reason, still negligible compared to fear of being viewed as a useless money eater (which many of them are) and then, sooner or later, being disposed of.
These dumb boomer types all started families, took on mortgages, bought 10,000s of dollars to furnish/fix up the house, have to spend 10,000s of dollars on cars every few years to keep up with neighbors...etc..wtc. now they have to put up with massive number of work hours and want young people to be stuck in that same routine with no escape from the trap of corporate slavery system.
Good work Joshua! I am an ancient pre-boomer, almost boomer... age 80 now, ex flat tracker, raised by parents who lived through the 1930's depression. and I support you 100%... when I was working in engineering offices it was pure misery for me, constant distractions, people bellowing on the phone, chewing ice. and blowing random gasses out their assinokos... it was a regular orchestra. and management wanting us to cut corners to create regular rolling disasters. Im living off shore now...peace at last.
After the certain intellectual and emotional level, age is rather a number then something that defines the personality. Thank you for the comment Phil!
Dealing with these types of personalities is what drove me to quit the corporate world and start my own real estate business, best decision I've ever made! Do not care about the culture, the games, the snitching, the back stabbing etc.. Never again will I work in a call center, financial center nor any other corporate plantation.
I worked on a literal corporate plantation (for weed) do not support corporate weed, please i beg you. Invest into small farms with a passion for whatever it is they farm. Corporate farms are no bueno.
@@dertythegrower I'm curious, what about the corporate farm did you not like? Was it the process on how they grow? The work conditions? All of the above?
I will never work in a call center again too. Bought a decent PC with my stimmy and learning how to make UA-cam videos. Ten years of learning broken outdated programs to be as efficient as possible only to be held hostage on the phone by a Karen who is pissed because your co-worker messed up their account. Never going back!
I used to work IT for a recruiting company that shoved “culture” down your throat. Everyone was fake. My boss ass kissed the higher ups and took credit for my work whenever possible. It was literally a competition for who could ass kiss the most. I’m so glad I’m out of there. The “office culture” Ramsey Solution video Josh plays brings back bad memories 🤮. I was in a place exactly like that.
Ken is like the spoiled kid in the neighborhood who gets all mad and red-faced when no one wants to play a game with HIS rules. "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!!" 🙄
I've been doing my job from home all lockdown. And my quality of life has only improved, I cook almost all my meals, time to go to the gym, help out my family and do my actual work in the core hours. Why would I choose to give all that up, just so some old man can feel like he's filling daddy's shoes looking over people's shoulders. Half the time these people are just glorified babysitters, I don't need one. I could understand for a high security job, or something, but I'm not gonna come in, if I can get paid just the same somewhere else, and keep my present quality of life.
"Noooo, you don't have the right to have a life outside of work, you need to live for the company, give all for the company", and when they don't need you anymore, they will dispose of you. Well, how about no.
HA, I hadn't thought about how hypocritical it is for a channel that prides itself on telling people they shouldn't spend money on dumb stuff tell everyone they should be going into the office, so that they can spend money on dumb stuff. "Go into work so you can waste money on gas, or public transit costs, and then be forced to spend lots of money on healthy food from a restaurant, or eat the cheap fast food that made us all fat lazy slobs to begin with, so you can deal with the health consequences of that when your 50." "Well then why don't you spend a bunch of the tiny amount of free time you have after being at the office for 9 hours, and commuting 2 hours, to make a crappy lunch the night before that's going to taste like ass by the time you get to eat it the next day?" Pick a lane, Ramsey Solutions. Jeebus.
the original video is so difficult to listen to, what an embarrassing guy. HE and people like him are the reason why people hate offices so much. they make everybody’s life unbearable.
And the recommended video at the end "Should I care what my family thinks about my career?" Yeah, you absolutely should because sometimes people lose their families over their career or the field they're in. Not sure how I'd feel if my dad was a weapons manufacturer rather than a teacher, but I know I would at least care if he made weapons for one example or if it was a career that had them working 12hrs a day or being away from home for long periods of time, I've met the kids of those workaholic parents and they're not in their parents lives anymore.
@@andrewscheelar9656 agreed! in the original video he was making fun of working mothers who’d rather stay remote and said that his wife has been in an office and they have kids and basically mocked people for wanting to be with their families. all i could think was that dude’s children are gonna be a mess. with all those financially spoiled and emotionally neglected kids i honestly wish that more people cared more about their families or at least as much as they care about their job. this is by far the most disturbing video josh analyzed by now.
The thing that pisses me off with the "Well it's the everybody gets a trophy mindset" bullshit that these people spew is that Boomers and GenX people are the ones that started the everybody gets a trophy thing. It's not like when I was playing soccer at 6 years old that I demanded a participation trophy - the GenX and Boomer parents running the leagues decided that was the best way to do things. Don't try and blame millennials and GenZ for that shit. Gaslighting narcissists.
They’re bitter they don't have what we have but they don’t realize that if the next generation can do things easier, it means they did their job. It’s like parents who get rich so their kids don’t have to struggle but then when that happens, they call the kid spoiled and demand that he makes 50k a year at 18 or 19 while in college
@@contagioushate no kidding. When the other guy said gaslighting narcissists, I immediately thought of my parents, who are Gen Xers!! Goddamn I hate them for making me hate myself 🤦♀️ (Inb4 "dont generalize blah blah", I'm not. I'm just stating my observations, at least where I live, and from the stories I've heard from millenial and gen z peers. Too many Gen X parents are toxic af. On top of being materialistic. Dunno why they're like this. Could be those TV commercials lol)
When he looks in the camera and says “you.work.for.the.company” what he is really saying is “the.company.owns.you.” Not anymore dude. Workers are figuring out they actually have some way say in their employment circumstances.
@@JoshuaFluke1 It would be great if you could touch on that mentality a little bit in your videos. Him saying that is literally a power play. As has been noted "You work for the company" has a hint of ownership but that comes from the fact that people rely on that income for their livelihoods. If someone asks you a favour this attitude isn't there.. If someone says "I'll give you x money if you take me to the airport" the attitude isn't there. A job is saying "I will give you x if you do y". What's the difference? The fact you are a under external pressure to take offer because you need money to survive. He's basically saying "We can make you do what we want because you *need us*". It's a POWER PLAY
@@Seattle-2017 Yeah I experienced that myself and after that I started my own business. I am not a billionaire or millionaire but I make enough to survive and pay my expenses. This is what every American needs to do. Get out of this mindset and start your own business.
Good for you and more power to you. While not everyone can start their own business, everyone should at least be doing side hustle/free lance work and always be looking for something better. Individual self empowerment, en masse, is a scary thing to the corporate execs.
@@Seattle-2017 The reality is that these companies stole our ability to feel secure in our jobs. Every year they pick the bottom 2 to 3% of the companies worst performers and toss them overboard. Any little infraction you get put on a PIP and documented for a termination. All of this left Americans in a terrible situation. We need to have some level of security but that is what is missing. The next generation will be much worse off then the previous generations. My son will have a much tougher life than I ever had. This is the reality of American life. They took our birth right and sent it overseas for Chinese and Vietnamese to enjoy.
Josh, thank you so much for making these videos. I still have remnants of PTSD from some jobs I had years ago. I've been self employed for a few years now but I've not learned to value my time until finding your channel. Thanks for teaching me that I matter and my time is valuable, and that I'm not stupid or entitled to think that. I'm ADHD and bad at being traditionally employed, finally I understand that that is fucking unimportant. Why was I ashamed for so long to suck at a game that's not worth playing. I don't want to be good at that game anymore.
My story is identical. But when you're ADHD or otherwise not well-adapted to being a worker drone, it's hard to deprogram yourself from feeling deficient, so don't feel bad that it's taken so long to get to where you are. You're fighting against decades of negative input.
Ken Coleman… author of the Proximity Principle (a book that shows people how to build the kind of life and career they love) is upset that employees are working in a way that bring their live balance? Yikes. Maybe he needs to read his own book?
Ramsey books ARE ghost written. Dave or the personality will give some personal stories, and some data points, the rest is done by the GW. This is how Dave wrote (say that loosely) The Baby Steps Millionaires so quickly. It is just a re-do of Chris Hogan's Retire Inspired. A particular GW has been used for quite awhile. Dave did not like how he had to share profits with two others on his first book (co-author and publisher), so now all books are published by Ramsey Solutions after written by a GW who is just paid a flat fee up front and retains no royalties from sales.
The way companies treated employees during covid - the game has changed and people are aware, more knowledgeable and empowered to look out for themselves first
I'm currently doing 4 days a week remote and I just bought a house 10 hours away from the city I'm currently in, if my current company doesn't allow me to work fully remote I will find another job that will.. WORKING REMOTE IS THE FUTURE!!
The entitlement, Ken! It`s too much! So companies can change their mind and you cannot?! Someone tell this slave master we live in 2021... 🙄🙄🙄 Employment is an EQUAL partnership - you have just as many rights and reasons to choose an employer as they have to choose you. I`m glad more people are starting to wake up!
Let's not forget that it takes two, if you don't like what the company is proposing it is your right to say "No thank you!" and look for something else. The company has the right to change her mind but also you, YOU have the same right.
I love how he says millennials are entitled yet he hasn’t given one solid reason as to why they should want to work in an office other than trying to say they aren’t adults. He’s the entitled one. He feels entitled to all of someone’s time simply because he’s paying for a service. Total boomer mindset.
I just had this conversation with my mom today. She is itching to go back to the office (for a company she hates) so that she can be more productive. I also believe she is a workaholic. She's a boomer. I am whatever born in 1980 is classified as (it varies depending on who you ask) and particularly after working a grueling year working in healthcare during a global pandemic, I am itching to get out of this industry, the corporate trap and build a life and career from home.
she took a remote job, asking her to come to the office to work is false advertising I don't get these guys complaining about the participation trophies as if we were the ones giving them out. not gen x
My girlfriend and I are literally in this situation now. We both had to move 12 hours away from our families to take jobs in a different state. We hate where we live, everything about it, so we both want to move back to our home state to be around our nieces and nephews. Her job is currently weighing the possibility of allowing people to work remotely and it's so frustrating. She is an amazing worker, been there 2 years, a go-to for projects, and they still aren't wanting to trust her with working from home. At this point, we're moving back home regardless so it's really if they want to replace a great worker and retrain someone back to where she was or not. I haven't seen my family in almost 2 years and it's because of assholes like him thinking that the only way to know if your employees are working is to be watching them constantly.
honestly, shes better off leaving them anyway and finding a better paying gig elsewhere. Alot of employers are honestly just scared that people are starting to get tired of this shit and would rather be unemployed for a short period while job hunting than put up with this bullshit
I'm seeing your comment 1 year later...I hope that now you and your girlfriend are happily living back in your home state, making more money, and spending lots of time with your family members!
@@zinc2zinc2Unless you have an abusive family who treats you like dirt, won’t let you use their bathrooms, won’t let you use their kitchen, makes you sleep in a corner of an unfinished cement basement, threatening to break up your marriage and have the police expel your husband because he’s not making enough money for them, while also demanding to get rid of your well cared for pets while they take care of their dog, threatening to have you taken against your will to an assisted living facility, when you don’t need or have to, all while both spouses are working in which case, in spite of one of them needing a liver transplant and struggling to pay off medical debts, - honestly it is better to save up and get out as fast as one can. I speak from personal experience.
One thing I'd like to note about remote work: it might actually help American society due to the suburbia issue. All the suburbia land currently has very little value, if lots of people start working from home, lots of shops and small cafés could pop up to help serve those needs, and since people are not stuck commuting and spending the money on fuel, they can spend it on supporting local.
I'm not a boomer, but Gen X (I think; I'm 49). I worked from home 5 years back, for about 7 months and, although it was a bit disorienting for the first month, I found my feet and was able to produce more than I would at an office. I promised to never go back into an office if I didn't have to, but the work dried up. If it didn't I would have never returned to corporate.
Gen X here, this is crap, I'm not going back to the office either. If you can do your work and produce results, get off of people's backs and let them do their jobs. Love your videos, keep up the good work
If you are pulling people away from their job for a six minute meeting, it most likely could have been an email. And it also shows you how bad the communication is with that company when they have to meet for 6 minutes and then ask people if they remember stuff from Last meeting when there have been multiple mini meetings
Yep. Meetings wouldn’t be so bad, if you weren’t often forced to work late to make up for the time suck they are. That’s why I often simply leave and what couldn’t get done today, will get done tomorrow or when there isn’t a stupid meeting blocking it.
@@King-Gilamashur2758 I think they do and they’re just wired differently. They may also feel that, if they can’t felt interaction in their personal life, it will be forced, in their work life and it’s true, because companies force people to “collaborate”. The utmost interested in introverts, because introverts don’t make as much money for the company, as people who are not sharp enough to know they’re just being used.
@@privateprivate8366 in don't think I agree that introverts don't make as much money. In fact I think many times they actually make even more money for the company, and they'd be even more productive if they weren't forced to be part of some circus freak show meant to create some fake sense of belonging which will only irritate the introverts and make them less productive. I say if extroverts want to go to the office then let them and let the introverts work from home or wherever they want and then measure their productivity. The results would surprise many.
@@King-Gilamashur2758 well, every person, situation and dynamic are different. I am an introvert and I ❤️ WFH. I am considered to be a high performer. But, I know that not every introvert is this way. Some are not high performers but, yes, it could be, because they have to join the circus to pay the rent. The need to be high profile isn’t a dependency for introverts. Still we must babysit the corporate status quo, of looking like we’re performing on Broadway and that it’s a corporate love fest.
I've been working from home this entire time during covid. I will definitely be looking for remote work if they bring us back to the office. I'm saving so much money on gas and have extra free time.
I want to spend my time studying and learning. NOT trapped in a car two-three hours a day stuck in city traffic. Studying will make me a better employee, and improve myself long term. Driving will just make me get to work tired and pissed, becoming less productive and costing the company money. Not that tough of a choice, is it?
It's well known that Dave Ramsey owns a lot of commercial property. Something tell me he secretly wishes he could work from home but sees his properties devaluing. Stop acting like you want to commute.
Are companies "cults dependent on culture"? The way I value my time. The way I value seeing my kids growing and just being there for them! I'm an engineer and I'd rather be unemployed than sacrifice my kids and my time for company culture. Miss me! I am a functional member of society, raising my happy kids...
The problem with Ramsey and his team of speakers is that they want you to believe that they are right about everything cause they believe in God. They quote scripture and manipulate their audience into believing that God has made them successful because pray or something
A few years before the pandemic I turned down a job that was going to pay me 10k more because the hours combined with the driving meant I’d be missing 28 DAYS worth of hours in a year with my kids. I actually did the math and I left the HR person speechless when I communicated that once they confirmed I couldn’t adjust my working hours by 1 (I.e. I’ll come in an hour earlier to leave an hour earlier). Next day got another offer for 7k less who was flexible and took it. After the pandemic, I turned down an offer the Friday before I was supposed to start for a job I could work from home as opposed to being in office 3 days a week. More money too but even if it wasn’t I would have done the same. Don’t fuck with my family time. I didn’t become a father or a husband to not be around. My dad had to work crazy hours and sometimes be gone days at a time depending on the job. Love and appreciate that sacrifice but I worked hard to not have to do the same.
In future almost every employer is going to have to offer WFH in order to remain competitive IMO.. that's just the free market in action. Adam Smith would be proud lol.
The people who led me to want to work remotely were people like him, I was regularly told that I wouldn't achieve my goals and consistently was micromanaged and looked over for promotions because of political reasons. Companies don't care about you, they aren't your friend, I doubled my income by leaving the in-office job that made me depressed for a remote one. WFH isn't going away, sucks that older people didn't have that opportunity, but I really can care less about how they feel
It is what it is. The technology wasn't there for WFH in their era. It would be like forcing people to use typewriters instead of PC's because you had to deal with typewriters in your day. Fucking luddite mentality.
When a business does what it wants, well _a business can do what ever it wants._ But, when your an employee and do whatever you want that's an outrage.
Dude I wish I would've found your videos when I was fresh out of college. Alot of what you teach I had to learn the hard way. Please keep producing this content.
Supervisors/middle managers/middle middle managers/executives enjoy going to the office because they don’t have to do the grind. The mind numbing grind. I’ve heard many bosses say, “You think my job is easy? Lemme tell you buster, you don’t want my job, stress and responsibility”! Every time I heard that I thought to myself, I would take your job (and higher pay, more vacation, less supervision) in a heartbeat and give you my worker bee position.
Companies have learned that by hiring remote, they're casting a wider net for talent. These companies that refuse to embrace remote work deserve to bleed talent.
I had a friend who was in IT. The only female in her office and she hated her job. When we went out on weekends, she’d get so drunk she’d fall asleep aka pass out at the bar. I think I finally understand now.
Nearly 30 years ago, I became a pioneer for working from home. I became a medical transcriptionist and I was able to raise my three children which was most important to me but I had to make an income too. An article in the back of a Parents magazine made it all possible.
I remember useless 20 minute meetings where the boss literally could of just leaned over me, asked a question, and it would of been answered. Done. But they are so bored, so useless, so having nothing to do, they actually destroy the work flow they are supposedly managing.
it literally is justifying their own positions at this point working from home eliminates alot of duties of managers and HR types bc people get their work done, and theres much less problems bc they are at home and happy so theres nothing to micro manage
A company that force their employees when the work can be done at home and does not require come to the office should pay an environmental penalty and mental health penality
I applied to a 100% remote position, & during my 1st video call interview with the local managers I found out that they were back in office every day except Friday, & once I begrudgingly agreed to continue the process & work there, I found out the CEO explicitly refuses to hire anyone unwilling to come into the office, refuses to wear a mask or enforce the national office's mandatory mask policy, & regularly requires all employees to sit with 10+ other people for hour long round table gaslighting meetings... & that's pretty much all I needed to know about his complete lack of respect for people, their lives, & complete dismissal of health safeguards & precautions... -I put up with it for 4 months to pad my bank account & then I chunked a deuce.
the virus actually got me before 3 months. I vomited from coughing 5 days in a row. I couldnt even fucking work from home. This virus can seriously kill you. And idiots like this just care about getting people in the office.
@@sherrryann not "some". like if i went sick to my job of 50 people, 30 would have gotten sick (unable to work 2 weeks) and 8 might just die. imagine being a boomer boss
“Culture is not your friend. Culture is for other peoples’ convenience and the convenience of various institutions, churches, companies, tax collection schemes, what have you. It is not your friend. It insults you. It disempowers you. It uses and abuses you. None of us are well-treated by culture.” - Terrence McKenna
"You cant just tell companies..." THAT is THE problem. Why show loyalty to an employer that would sack you in a heartbeat if it meant the stock price would go up a 1/4 point? That is "Corporate" America he's selling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Great video, thanks! I was mad at myself because I quit two jobs from being micromanaged. Quit the next morning. One of them directly insulted me the other one micromanaged me in an insulting way. And I quit and then I blamed myself for a few years thinking I can’t navigate work. I don’t have the strength etc. etc. After a while I realized you know what I just like to run my own show. I always have always will.
I've already said I'd quit if I had to go back into the office. There is zero reason for me to work remotely sans these two: 1) My more extroverted coworkers want to talk to me about nothing. 2) Some manager(s) don't believe people work unless they are scared of the boss walking by. My firm has been fine on both counts. In fact, what SHOULD happen now is everyone who is successfully working remotely continue to do so, their businesses terminate their leases as quickly and painlessly as possible, and builders get hired to convert billions of square feet of now obsolete office space into residences to lower housing prices. We should do that, but we won't, because people like Ken Coleman don't think that this change is working. He isn't a boomer, he is a dinosaur.
I am freelance and when a customer demands me to come in 3 or 4 days a week, I will end my contract! Especially now with gas prices being 10 bucks a gallon here! And then being stuck in a open plan office where I can’t properly think and don’t have all the amenities that I have at home and make me work so much faster. And I only work 4 day contracts! I don’t do 40+ hours anymore. With my unstable health it’s questionable if I make it to 67 or at least in a well enough shape I can enjoy my retirement ! So why not live now?! Whilst I can. I’ve seen people in their early 50s drop dead this year! I’ve seen people in their early 60s who worked 50-60 hour jobs for 20+ years get cancer and being incurable! Life is too short to live for a mere job! I rather live a full life being dead poor than a job! I don’t need a plane ride for a holiday anymore. I don’t need to eat out anymore. I’m happy jogging or riding my bike. Programming a little personal project. Life is too short to spend 80% in stuffy offices and schools!
This ken guy is pretty much grasping for straws here. Its simple: time is more valuable than money. Money lost can be earned back, but you can't earn back time that you lost.
The only thing I like about the office is being able to draw stuff on a white board to help explain ideas. I solved this problem by getting a drawing tablet for home. Companies that don't realize working from home is the future will find themselves very behind soon enough.
My office is starting to force us back to work. 0.000000% of my work requires me to be on site. No valid reason has been given for it. The only reason given was “Upper management wants to see butts in seats.”
4:47 I completely agree about other points of this video, but "who cares about culture?"... I just can't imagine someone who has experienced a truly good culture saying this.
It's jaw-dropping that this guy claims to be a career coach. He's like an HR representative who portrays themselves as being there to help the employees when their actual loyalty is to the employer. Reminds me so much of "news" personalities who pretend to be outraged on viewers' behalf when their actual job is manipulating their viewers into believing that the 1%'s interests are actually the viewers' interests. And that anyone who does not oppose their own interests is a moron, lazy, despicable, un-American, or whatever else they can think of that might work to control us unwashed masses. Just disgusting. As is the embarrassing obsequiousness all the "Ramsey Personalities" exude toward Dave.
"Well see how that plays out" ~ Ken FBoi Coleman Well see how that plays out for "companies" when they are left without talent to pay for their yachts.
The original video. QUIT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BUT YOU'RE AN IDIOT IF YOU DO. Ok Gen X boomer.
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Just saw the original video. Pure cringe and he is a career coach? So he wants people to slave away in a toxic work environment with office politics and waste valuable time doing nothing productive. He also didn’t mention commuting. Yeah I’m sure many people are missing being stuck in traffic and wasting two hours every day instead of being more productive or being more involved with their families. 🤦♂️
I think I read the original article. The woman in the article:
- She dressed to go to the office.
- Drived to daycare to drop her 2 children.
- Drived to the city to the office.
- Then she had the 6 MINUTES meeting.
- And the drived to daycare to retrieve her children.
- Went back to home.
She was right in being angry about that.
I haven't start working but guys like that make me wanna work from home even more
Hey leave Gen X out of it. I'm Gen X and I've been working from home for 12 years and love it. Guy's just a loser! :p
Its all mindset
If this guy were around during the industrial revolution he would be saying LOOK AT THESE LAZY WORKERS ASKING FOR SAFE WORKING CONDITIONS, WEEKENDS OFF, AND CHILD LABOR LAWS. SHAME ON THEM.
This comment!! Right on point, man. 👆
All the while the workers would have black lung from all the coal dust, the kids would have developmental issues from all the heavy metals and stunted due to malnutrition. The cherry ontop is a large part of the meager wages would have likely been wasted on rot gut gin to make it all the worse. Can't forget that a lot of kids suffered amputations on the job slaving in the cotton/textile mills.
Not to mention those lazy bums want the machines to do all the work for them now. Back in my day we had to hammer iron by hand, we didn't have your fancy hammer forges. Don't even get me started on auto looms.
On point holy hell
Oooof. This was on point.
There's always that sick group of people who think _"I suffered, so why shouldn't you?"_
I see you've met my parents LOL
I’ve always thought those people were super gross, like parents who act like that
Misery loves company. The older I get, the more the old cliches make sense.
These same people use this line of thinking against having college debt removed.
Addicted to suffering.
Boomers can't comprehend that the rules have changed. We're tired of corporations treating us like garbage and underpaying while demanding absolute loyalty. What a joke.
This 100. They want loyalty until they have to have layoffs come, then it's (no hard feelings but we need to make budget cuts) or some other weak excuse to fire you and keep the profit bonus up.
These aren’t boomer rules. Some of us boomers were complaining about the same corporate culture 40 years ago. It has more to do with the management class than a generation.
@@Dodgerzden I don’t know bro.....I don’t know lol 😂✌️🇺🇸
boomers are butthurt because the option didn't exist for them.
@@Dodgerzden Agreed, I’ll give you guys that. Some of you fought against the BS, but lost your jobs because of it.
What Ken fails to realize is that, in order to make this 6 minute meeting, she probably had to arrange for early morning child care. Besides that, the night before she had to make sure everything was ready to rush out the door the next morning (extra laundry, kids lunches, maybe schedule a dog walker, etc). Then she probably had to wake up 2 hours earlier to do her hair and make-up, then wake her kids up much earlier, then rush out the door because everyone is still sleepy and grumpy from having to wake up so early. Then she had to fight traffic, construction, rude drivers, etc. just to get to the office for a 6 minute meeting. It's beyond ridiculous. Good for her for quitting. After "The Great Resignation" maybe companies will wake up and realize we won't put up with their "culture" and "corporate family".
They can count all the money they save on real estate to ease their pain. Yeah, you'll have to wait beyond a quarter to realize those savings (which I know is nearly impossible for the corporate world), but you will eventually realize them and then realize that this is actually more profitable.
Mgt thinks we’re machines. Always willing & available to do any & every mundane tedious task they shoot down👎
Pregnant women and women with children ...they really hate
These aren’t boomer rules. These are the management class rules. Some of us boomers have been complaining about this corporate culture for 40 years.
In the context of Boomer, I am pretty sure they mean the personality since it was adopted by the majority of that generation, I know a lot of Gen X and Millennials part of the Management Class that has that attitude too.
@Romantic Warrior1 Apparently the bosses' egos are more important than cutting expenses.
@@Dodgerzden That's exactly what it boils down to.
Yeh exactly, boomer is a way someone acts and thinks rather than an age group now
Boomer is a state of my ND you are not a hoomer
Regular Person: Damn, they can switch jobs when they don't like something? They must be capable.
Boomers: They are lazy.
Why won't you slaves stay on the damn plantation!?
What a better way to get millennials back into the office than to insult them.
Even non-millennials are deciding an office is not necessary.
Millennials don't have kids so they don't need to work full time. This will backfire.
@@generallordjowbra8871 This is going to be the major catalyst. No family/ no home ownership + internet= Why burn up my life for a company?
@@1x93cm yup I'm seeing so many young people no longer wanting to start families. That will cause a complete destruction of the forced incentives in the slave system we currently have due to all the expenses. People will quit their jobs or work part time while staying with their parents if their folks are the type they have close relationships with or just move in with other like minded young people who dont want to work 9-5 for 43 years and be sick/decrepit in a nursing home thinking how they thought life wasn't pathetic getting just 2-4 weeks off in a whole year to rest/recuperate/barely take any vacation. Sad that people think just work/sleep/chores and an occasional holiday if they are lucky is the purpose of life.
@asdrubale bisanzio that's not true. Professionals, the office staff he is talking about, can afford to work part time.
My son told me about you. I'm a boomer who has fought against unreasonable requests for years, to the point I've put together a program to get companies to focus on valued outputs rather than busyness. You're points are right on. Thanks for sharing them. Keep it up.
Ty for your service young boomer -a millennial
This year has really revealed to me that many employers think they are entitled to have people work for them. Never was a fan of the Ken Coleman show.
Love your channel Deb! And YESS! The level of entitlement to have a large chunk of your time/life.
He used to be my favorite personality. Now his true colors come out (unless he's reading from a script written by Ramsey).
Employers rely on staff.
Unfortunately and fortunately, I’ve had to look at it like this: They feel entitled to use employees - and I use them also. I get everything out of that experience I can as, it’s just business for me, too. I’m not interested in any lollipop cumbaya moments and, surprise for them, they don’t run a match service, where they decide that everyone must be good friends. Those are the decisions I make and they don’t have to like it.
@@rocio4618 i notice his show shares the same principles as Ramsey. Thats why he's part of Ramsey's team. Has to follow the Ramsey rules or your fired..
Dave Ramsey and his boys: Be debt-free, be different, be weird people.
Also Dave and his boys: What, you want to be different? No, no, we all have to be the same. Man, you are so weird.
Which is it, Dave?
I'd be fucking pissed if I had to rush to find someone to take care of my kids, get dressed, and commute JUST to do a 6 minute meeting. That's actually ridiculous.
I had to do that once to drive 30 minutes for HR to fire me in person. Joke was on them. I was still on FMLA for the disability they fired me for. But yeah, I had to find a sitter and everything.
@@squarepeg418 "disability they fired me for" - Let me know how that lawsuit goes.
@@robsnook4512 they agreed to settle out of court
@@squarepeg418 YASSSS 👏
Interesting how Ken Coleman assumes that it was just this one occurrence that prompted the employee to quit. As if the 1 hour (or whatever) round trip for a 6 minute meeting wasn't part of a repeating pattern of disrespectful behavior.
"Spend extra time, money and safety to come into the office so I can lord over you, micromanage you, and berate you in person." Is what this comes off as to me.
Exactly.
Spoiled and privileged for wanting to work remotely? I left my office job for a remote position that gave me a 30% raise. Who's spoiled and privileged - me, or the company that felt entitled to my skills without compensating me properly?
Then why are you telling us? Do you need validation?
@@machinestats459 Do you really want us to spell out to you what kind of communication is happening here?
@@machinestats459 No, he's just telling his positive story as it relates to this video, and asking a real question that would never be asked on Ken Coleman's show. The only one who is seeking validation here is Ken Coleman.
Same here. Well said.
They compensated you properly, just not in your mind. :)
This is a very "I had to go through this and now you have to too!" mindset. They had to go to an office for their whole life and are jealous that younger generations now have a choice to stay home and work.
Nailed it!
Exactly. It’s really sad.
You are so right. Plus, they like to control people.
She probably spent more money than she earned for that 6 minute meeting just in the gas and child care.
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The average cost for an infant is 20k yearly. My town averages 2k a month 💀 we need remote work
literally Josh's Middle Manager voice in real life form. even his hair matches LOL!!!
My god, it's the same exact voice
Omg lol
The content creates itself xD
Omg I had to do a double take I thought it was Josh at first LOL
Lmao! Yes!
I was raised in a cult, so much of “corporate culture” smacks of cultism. “Job hopping” sounds an awful lot like “church hopping” which was a shitty way the cult I was in used to guilt you into staying in the cult.
I switched jobs this year, staying remote and got a 50% raise! Remote isn't going away.
I'm glad to hear it! Good for you!! Fuck those people
Great to hear! So what’s best for you!
And thank you for sharing, do you feel better?
Good job! 50% raise plus money and time saved commuting
You only get a big raise by switching. It sounds as though you where at your previous company for too long and had no significant payment increases throughout your career there. Is that the case or what happened?
What this really is is "I've worked my whole career to be in management and now there's nobody here at the office for me to manage/torment grrrr"
truly, this looked like a man having an existential crisis over choices someone else is making happily in their life.
Just my opinion, but without employees to manage in an office, it quickly becomes clear how few managers add any value to a company. Employees who successfully work from home threaten the old models of how corporations function, and underscore how many deadwood managers are still getting paid.
@@anneeinhorn9227 Couldn't have put it better myself. If I were some higher-up and saw that the work is getting done just fine from home, I'd totally cut some mid managerial bloat. And those useless twits are scared shitless of being thrown out. The feeling of control is, while an existing reason, still negligible compared to fear of being viewed as a useless money eater (which many of them are) and then, sooner or later, being disposed of.
Why wouldn't I quit if I knew I could work at home? It's literally common sense.
These dumb boomer types all started families, took on mortgages, bought 10,000s of dollars to furnish/fix up the house, have to spend 10,000s of dollars on cars every few years to keep up with neighbors...etc..wtc. now they have to put up with massive number of work hours and want young people to be stuck in that same routine with no escape from the trap of corporate slavery system.
@12 34 They'll hire H1B Indians and will threaten them with deportation.
"Companies can change their minds." Yah, its called lying to their employees.
Good work Joshua! I am an ancient pre-boomer, almost boomer... age 80 now, ex flat tracker, raised by parents who lived through the 1930's depression. and I support you 100%... when I was working in engineering offices it was pure misery for me, constant distractions, people bellowing on the phone, chewing ice. and blowing random gasses out their assinokos... it was a regular orchestra. and management wanting us to cut corners to create regular rolling disasters.
Im living off shore now...peace at last.
😂🤣😂
What a vet
After the certain intellectual and emotional level, age is rather a number then something that defines the personality. Thank you for the comment Phil!
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Hi Phil, just curious, when did you retire?
He sounds like a disgruntled employee who is mad that he can't quit his job & is jealous of those that can.
Dealing with these types of personalities is what drove me to quit the corporate world and start my own real estate business, best decision I've ever made! Do not care about the culture, the games, the snitching, the back stabbing etc.. Never again will I work in a call center, financial center nor any other corporate plantation.
I worked on a literal corporate plantation (for weed) do not support corporate weed, please i beg you. Invest into small farms with a passion for whatever it is they farm. Corporate farms are no bueno.
@@dertythegrower I'm curious, what about the corporate farm did you not like? Was it the process on how they grow? The work conditions? All of the above?
I will never work in a call center again too. Bought a decent PC with my stimmy and learning how to make UA-cam videos. Ten years of learning broken outdated programs to be as efficient as possible only to be held hostage on the phone by a Karen who is pissed because your co-worker messed up their account. Never going back!
I used to work IT for a recruiting company that shoved “culture” down your throat. Everyone was fake. My boss ass kissed the higher ups and took credit for my work whenever possible. It was literally a competition for who could ass kiss the most. I’m so glad I’m out of there.
The “office culture” Ramsey Solution video Josh plays brings back bad memories 🤮. I was in a place exactly like that.
@@dertythegrower elaborate.
Ken is like the spoiled kid in the neighborhood who gets all mad and red-faced when no one wants to play a game with HIS rules. "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!!" 🙄
I've been doing my job from home all lockdown. And my quality of life has only improved, I cook almost all my meals, time to go to the gym, help out my family and do my actual work in the core hours. Why would I choose to give all that up, just so some old man can feel like he's filling daddy's shoes looking over people's shoulders. Half the time these people are just glorified babysitters, I don't need one. I could understand for a high security job, or something, but I'm not gonna come in, if I can get paid just the same somewhere else, and keep my present quality of life.
Even those with top secret clearance work from home.
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"Noooo, you don't have the right to have a life outside of work, you need to live for the company, give all for the company", and when they don't need you anymore, they will dispose of you.
Well, how about no.
HA, I hadn't thought about how hypocritical it is for a channel that prides itself on telling people they shouldn't spend money on dumb stuff tell everyone they should be going into the office, so that they can spend money on dumb stuff. "Go into work so you can waste money on gas, or public transit costs, and then be forced to spend lots of money on healthy food from a restaurant, or eat the cheap fast food that made us all fat lazy slobs to begin with, so you can deal with the health consequences of that when your 50."
"Well then why don't you spend a bunch of the tiny amount of free time you have after being at the office for 9 hours, and commuting 2 hours, to make a crappy lunch the night before that's going to taste like ass by the time you get to eat it the next day?"
Pick a lane, Ramsey Solutions. Jeebus.
There's literally no reason for some jobs to be non-remote, such as web developer jobs.
the original video is so difficult to listen to, what an embarrassing guy. HE and people like him are the reason why people hate offices so much. they make everybody’s life unbearable.
I just can't get past that ANNOYING "radio voice" affectation. It gives me a headache. He should go back to AM talk radio or where he came from.
And the recommended video at the end "Should I care what my family thinks about my career?" Yeah, you absolutely should because sometimes people lose their families over their career or the field they're in. Not sure how I'd feel if my dad was a weapons manufacturer rather than a teacher, but I know I would at least care if he made weapons for one example or if it was a career that had them working 12hrs a day or being away from home for long periods of time, I've met the kids of those workaholic parents and they're not in their parents lives anymore.
@@andrewscheelar9656 agreed! in the original video he was making fun of working mothers who’d rather stay remote and said that his wife has been in an office and they have kids and basically mocked people for wanting to be with their families. all i could think was that dude’s children are gonna be a mess. with all those financially spoiled and emotionally neglected kids i honestly wish that more people cared more about their families or at least as much as they care about their job. this is by far the most disturbing video josh analyzed by now.
I agree. BUT dont put Dave Ramsay in the same spot. Dave is more human.
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i don't know what inspires people's loyalty towards a company that will fire you without a moment's notice.
The thing that pisses me off with the "Well it's the everybody gets a trophy mindset" bullshit that these people spew is that Boomers and GenX people are the ones that started the everybody gets a trophy thing. It's not like when I was playing soccer at 6 years old that I demanded a participation trophy - the GenX and Boomer parents running the leagues decided that was the best way to do things. Don't try and blame millennials and GenZ for that shit. Gaslighting narcissists.
Yeah no shit! Fucken Gen X. They created all this and then blamed the kids for it. I hate Gen X.
Actually was the Boomers that started all that, Gen X (the real Greatest Generation) had been railing against it all along even as kids.
They’re bitter they don't have what we have but they don’t realize that if the next generation can do things easier, it means they did their job. It’s like parents who get rich so their kids don’t have to struggle but then when that happens, they call the kid spoiled and demand that he makes 50k a year at 18 or 19 while in college
OUT OF ALL THE LANGUAGES IN THE WORLD,
You chose to speak facts 👌👌👌
@@contagioushate no kidding. When the other guy said gaslighting narcissists, I immediately thought of my parents, who are Gen Xers!! Goddamn I hate them for making me hate myself 🤦♀️ (Inb4 "dont generalize blah blah", I'm not. I'm just stating my observations, at least where I live, and from the stories I've heard from millenial and gen z peers. Too many Gen X parents are toxic af. On top of being materialistic. Dunno why they're like this. Could be those TV commercials lol)
"Ppl who quit because they can't work remotely are idiots"
"If you won't come into the office, I'll fire you"
When he looks in the camera and says “you.work.for.the.company” what he is really saying is “the.company.owns.you.” Not anymore dude. Workers are figuring out they actually have some way say in their employment circumstances.
I noticed that to. Really freaky.
So happy to be good enough at what I do that I've previously been able to literally tell management to fuck themselves and quit. No one owns any of us
Gives strong slave master vibes :D
@@JoshuaFluke1 It would be great if you could touch on that mentality a little bit in your videos. Him saying that is literally a power play.
As has been noted "You work for the company" has a hint of ownership but that comes from the fact that people rely on that income for their livelihoods. If someone asks you a favour this attitude isn't there.. If someone says "I'll give you x money if you take me to the airport" the attitude isn't there.
A job is saying "I will give you x if you do y". What's the difference? The fact you are a under external pressure to take offer because you need money to survive. He's basically saying "We can make you do what we want because you *need us*". It's a POWER PLAY
You DONT work FOR the compnay. You work WITH the company.
Culture is another word for control and surveillance. This kind of thinking is what we need to reject. Work from home works.
It’s like they try to hide their true intentions by masking it with a label that means the opposite.
Office culture is a company social media photo op right before you do an all nighter, and a week before you get laid off.
@@Seattle-2017 Yeah I experienced that myself and after that I started my own business. I am not a billionaire or millionaire but I make enough to survive and pay my expenses. This is what every American needs to do. Get out of this mindset and start your own business.
Good for you and more power to you. While not everyone can start their own business, everyone should at least be doing side hustle/free lance work and always be looking for something better. Individual self empowerment, en masse, is a scary thing to the corporate execs.
@@Seattle-2017 The reality is that these companies stole our ability to feel secure in our jobs. Every year they pick the bottom 2 to 3% of the companies worst performers and toss them overboard. Any little infraction you get put on a PIP and documented for a termination. All of this left Americans in a terrible situation. We need to have some level of security but that is what is missing.
The next generation will be much worse off then the previous generations. My son will have a much tougher life than I ever had. This is the reality of American life. They took our birth right and sent it overseas for Chinese and Vietnamese to enjoy.
He fact that Ken has never been an employer but always an employee and acting like he ever had power is extremely amusing to me
He said he’s not against remote work but also suggested remote workers aren’t functional members of society… lmao what a joke
Josh, thank you so much for making these videos. I still have remnants of PTSD from some jobs I had years ago. I've been self employed for a few years now but I've not learned to value my time until finding your channel. Thanks for teaching me that I matter and my time is valuable, and that I'm not stupid or entitled to think that. I'm ADHD and bad at being traditionally employed, finally I understand that that is fucking unimportant. Why was I ashamed for so long to suck at a game that's not worth playing. I don't want to be good at that game anymore.
My story is identical. But when you're ADHD or otherwise not well-adapted to being a worker drone, it's hard to deprogram yourself from feeling deficient, so don't feel bad that it's taken so long to get to where you are. You're fighting against decades of negative input.
Ken Coleman… author of the Proximity Principle (a book that shows people how to build the kind of life and career they love) is upset that employees are working in a way that bring their live balance? Yikes. Maybe he needs to read his own book?
There's a very good chance he actually hasn't read the book, and he almost certainly did not write it.
@@NotTheOnlyMattAround good point!
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I'll be sure not to buy that book. No way this brainlet knows what he's talking about.
Ramsey books ARE ghost written.
Dave or the personality will give some personal stories, and some data points, the rest is done by the GW. This is how Dave wrote (say that loosely) The Baby Steps Millionaires so quickly. It is just a re-do of Chris Hogan's Retire Inspired. A particular GW has been used for quite awhile. Dave did not like how he had to share profits with two others on his first book (co-author and publisher), so now all books are published by Ramsey Solutions after written by a GW who is just paid a flat fee up front and retains no royalties from sales.
The way companies treated employees during covid - the game has changed and people are aware, more knowledgeable and empowered to look out for themselves first
Getting people “back into the office” is the Boomer’s last stand... their version of napoleon’s Waterloo. They will fight like hell... but lose
“Oi, you need to come into the office. You don’t work if we can’t see you”
That comment would be poetic justice if there's a German work-from-home software that makes commuting to work obsolete for most office jobs.
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@xraf32 Well then we have poetic justice!
I'm currently doing 4 days a week remote and I just bought a house 10 hours away from the city I'm currently in, if my current company doesn't allow me to work fully remote I will find another job that will.. WORKING REMOTE IS THE FUTURE!!
The entitlement, Ken! It`s too much! So companies can change their mind and you cannot?! Someone tell this slave master we live in 2021... 🙄🙄🙄 Employment is an EQUAL partnership - you have just as many rights and reasons to choose an employer as they have to choose you. I`m glad more people are starting to wake up!
We should get married
@@donkeyhobo34 😂👌
@@donkeyhobo34 😂
@@mirianadimitrova2112 I love you
Let's not forget that it takes two, if you don't like what the company is proposing it is your right to say "No thank you!" and look for something else. The company has the right to change her mind but also you, YOU have the same right.
I love how he says millennials are entitled yet he hasn’t given one solid reason as to why they should want to work in an office other than trying to say they aren’t adults. He’s the entitled one. He feels entitled to all of someone’s time simply because he’s paying for a service. Total boomer mindset.
I don’t even understand 😂
Perfect breakdown. Why move to city and make landlords rich when I can live in the country eating from my own garden.
Self-sufficiency is a game changer 😌
I just had this conversation with my mom today. She is itching to go back to the office (for a company she hates) so that she can be more productive. I also believe she is a workaholic. She's a boomer. I am whatever born in 1980 is classified as (it varies depending on who you ask) and particularly after working a grueling year working in healthcare during a global pandemic, I am itching to get out of this industry, the corporate trap and build a life and career from home.
Bro I would honestly rather move back in with my parents then go back to the office
Pathetic.
she took a remote job, asking her to come to the office to work is false advertising
I don't get these guys complaining about the participation trophies as if we were the ones giving them out. not gen x
Lol ken sounds like joshua when he is playing manager character
Yes hahah
when presented as "do it or else" and we choose "or else." they're the ones that are triggered.
My girlfriend and I are literally in this situation now. We both had to move 12 hours away from our families to take jobs in a different state. We hate where we live, everything about it, so we both want to move back to our home state to be around our nieces and nephews. Her job is currently weighing the possibility of allowing people to work remotely and it's so frustrating. She is an amazing worker, been there 2 years, a go-to for projects, and they still aren't wanting to trust her with working from home. At this point, we're moving back home regardless so it's really if they want to replace a great worker and retrain someone back to where she was or not. I haven't seen my family in almost 2 years and it's because of assholes like him thinking that the only way to know if your employees are working is to be watching them constantly.
honestly, shes better off leaving them anyway and finding a better paying gig elsewhere. Alot of employers are honestly just scared that people are starting to get tired of this shit and would rather be unemployed for a short period while job hunting than put up with this bullshit
I'm seeing your comment 1 year later...I hope that now you and your girlfriend are happily living back in your home state, making more money, and spending lots of time with your family members!
Did your wife find a new job? Family is more important than some corporation. Move out, go home. I would go mad if i didn't see my family for 2 years
@@zinc2zinc2Unless you have an abusive family who treats you like dirt, won’t let you use their bathrooms, won’t let you use their kitchen, makes you sleep in a corner of an unfinished cement basement, threatening to break up your marriage and have the police expel your husband because he’s not making enough money for them, while also demanding to get rid of your well cared for pets while they take care of their dog, threatening to have you taken against your will to an assisted living facility, when you don’t need or have to, all while both spouses are working in which case, in spite of one of them needing a liver transplant and struggling to pay off medical debts, - honestly it is better to save up and get out as fast as one can. I speak from personal experience.
One thing I'd like to note about remote work: it might actually help American society due to the suburbia issue. All the suburbia land currently has very little value, if lots of people start working from home, lots of shops and small cafés could pop up to help serve those needs, and since people are not stuck commuting and spending the money on fuel, they can spend it on supporting local.
I have a boomer in my team and she too doesn't want to return to the office.
9:30 Thank you for speaking up so much for all of us Josh. All the good stuff that goes your way, you deserve it man. Keep being great!
As a boomer I loved working at home. Just wish it had been done a long time ago
I'm not a boomer, but Gen X (I think; I'm 49). I worked from home 5 years back, for about 7 months and, although it was a bit disorienting for the first month, I found my feet and was able to produce more than I would at an office. I promised to never go back into an office if I didn't have to, but the work dried up. If it didn't I would have never returned to corporate.
Gen X here, this is crap, I'm not going back to the office either. If you can do your work and produce results, get off of people's backs and let them do their jobs. Love your videos, keep up the good work
If you are pulling people away from their job for a six minute meeting, it most likely could have been an email. And it also shows you how bad the communication is with that company when they have to meet for 6 minutes and then ask people if they remember stuff from Last meeting when there have been multiple mini meetings
Yep. Meetings wouldn’t be so bad, if you weren’t often forced to work late to make up for the time suck they are. That’s why I often simply leave and what couldn’t get done today, will get done tomorrow or when there isn’t a stupid meeting blocking it.
Why do they do that? Do they need the social contact they lack in their personal lives or something?
@@King-Gilamashur2758 I think they do and they’re just wired differently. They may also feel that, if they can’t felt interaction in their personal life, it will be forced, in their work life and it’s true, because companies force people to “collaborate”. The utmost interested in introverts, because introverts don’t make as much money for the company, as people who are not sharp enough to know they’re just being used.
@@privateprivate8366 in don't think I agree that introverts don't make as much money. In fact I think many times they actually make even more money for the company, and they'd be even more productive if they weren't forced to be part of some circus freak show meant to create some fake sense of belonging which will only irritate the introverts and make them less productive. I say if extroverts want to go to the office then let them and let the introverts work from home or wherever they want and then measure their productivity. The results would surprise many.
@@King-Gilamashur2758 well, every person, situation and dynamic are different. I am an introvert and I ❤️ WFH. I am considered to be a high performer.
But, I know that not every introvert is this way. Some are not high performers but, yes, it could be, because they have to join the circus to pay the rent. The need to be high profile isn’t a dependency for introverts. Still we must babysit the corporate status quo, of looking like we’re performing on Broadway and that it’s a corporate love fest.
I've been working from home this entire time during covid. I will definitely be looking for remote work if they bring us back to the office. I'm saving so much money on gas and have extra free time.
I want to spend my time studying and learning.
NOT trapped in a car two-three hours a day stuck in city traffic.
Studying will make me a better employee, and improve myself long term. Driving will just make me get to work tired and pissed, becoming less productive and costing the company money.
Not that tough of a choice, is it?
Hybrid is a fair compromise - maybe mostly remote with one in-office meeting every few weeks.
It's well known that Dave Ramsey owns a lot of commercial property. Something tell me he secretly wishes he could work from home but sees his properties devaluing. Stop acting like you want to commute.
anyone who says they LIKE the commute is full of shit. nobody enjoys waiting an hour one way o sitting in traffic
Wow, I actually had some respect for this guy before seeing this video. Yeah Ken, people are really sick of losing so many hours a week to commuting
Are companies "cults dependent on culture"?
The way I value my time. The way I value seeing my kids growing and just being there for them! I'm an engineer and I'd rather be unemployed than sacrifice my kids and my time for company culture. Miss me!
I am a functional member of society, raising my happy kids...
The problem with Ramsey and his team of speakers is that they want you to believe that they are right about everything cause they believe in God. They quote scripture and manipulate their audience into believing that God has made them successful because pray or something
AMEN!!!!
A few years before the pandemic I turned down a job that was going to pay me 10k more because the hours combined with the driving meant I’d be missing 28 DAYS worth of hours in a year with my kids. I actually did the math and I left the HR person speechless when I communicated that once they confirmed I couldn’t adjust my working hours by 1 (I.e. I’ll come in an hour earlier to leave an hour earlier). Next day got another offer for 7k less who was flexible and took it. After the pandemic, I turned down an offer the Friday before I was supposed to start for a job I could work from home as opposed to being in office 3 days a week. More money too but even if it wasn’t I would have done the same. Don’t fuck with my family time. I didn’t become a father or a husband to not be around. My dad had to work crazy hours and sometimes be gone days at a time depending on the job. Love and appreciate that sacrifice but I worked hard to not have to do the same.
In future almost every employer is going to have to offer WFH in order to remain competitive IMO.. that's just the free market in action. Adam Smith would be proud lol.
Hope this comes out true.
@@HamidKarzai - Exactly, and boyyy they sure don't like it when that sh*t starts working against them.
The people who led me to want to work remotely were people like him, I was regularly told that I wouldn't achieve my goals and consistently was micromanaged and looked over for promotions because of political reasons. Companies don't care about you, they aren't your friend, I doubled my income by leaving the in-office job that made me depressed for a remote one. WFH isn't going away, sucks that older people didn't have that opportunity, but I really can care less about how they feel
It is what it is. The technology wasn't there for WFH in their era. It would be like forcing people to use typewriters instead of PC's because you had to deal with typewriters in your day. Fucking luddite mentality.
"Overly triggered by people valuing themselves" LOL. Well said.
When a business does what it wants, well _a business can do what ever it wants._ But, when your an employee and do whatever you want that's an outrage.
Grow up Josh. See how simple that was? Now come back to the office, your family misses you.
Top kek
You gonna tell Josh about his "family"???
@@kei2142 eeesh
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Dude I wish I would've found your videos when I was fresh out of college. Alot of what you teach I had to learn the hard way. Please keep producing this content.
Functional members of society = pay taxes, consume, obey the government, stay in line and don't think for yourself.
Get vaxxed.
Just get vaxxed bro then you'll get girls.
Supervisors/middle managers/middle middle managers/executives enjoy going to the office because they don’t have to do the grind. The mind numbing grind. I’ve heard many bosses say, “You think my job is easy? Lemme tell you buster, you don’t want my job, stress and responsibility”! Every time I heard that I thought to myself, I would take your job (and higher pay, more vacation, less supervision) in a heartbeat and give you my worker bee position.
I wish CEOs understood they really don't need a whole building to imprison workers. Just give them a paycheck for their work.
Companies have learned that by hiring remote, they're casting a wider net for talent. These companies that refuse to embrace remote work deserve to bleed talent.
“I’m not a boomer”, exactly what a boomer would say 😂
ikr bet he doesn't even watch buko no hero macadamia nut what a boomer.
I had a friend who was in IT. The only female in her office and she hated her job. When we went out on weekends, she’d get so drunk she’d fall asleep aka pass out at the bar. I think I finally understand now.
Nearly 30 years ago, I became a pioneer for working from home. I became a medical transcriptionist and I was able to raise my three children which was most important to me but I had to make an income too. An article in the back of a Parents magazine made it all possible.
1:42 Love the boomer mentality of "The company can do whatever it wants, if you dont like it leave." Then when people leave Boomers have a seizure
I remember useless 20 minute meetings where the boss literally could of just leaned over me, asked a question, and it would of been answered. Done. But they are so bored, so useless, so having nothing to do, they actually destroy the work flow they are supposedly managing.
it literally is justifying their own positions at this point
working from home eliminates alot of duties of managers and HR types bc people get their work done, and theres much less problems bc they are at home and happy so theres nothing to micro manage
"They sign your paycheck" It's like he's fine with the situation that the company owns you because they pay you paradigm
A company that force their employees when the work can be done at home and does not require come to the office should pay an environmental penalty and mental health penality
I second that
An environmental penalty (similar to carbon tax) for companies forcing their employees to commute? Seems 100% appropriate. How do we do this?
Great idea! These companies wanna act green...so, pay enviromental taxes if your employees have to commute to job
I applied to a 100% remote position, & during my 1st video call interview with the local managers I found out that they were back in office every day except Friday, & once I begrudgingly agreed to continue the process & work there, I found out the CEO explicitly refuses to hire anyone unwilling to come into the office, refuses to wear a mask or enforce the national office's mandatory mask policy, & regularly requires all employees to sit with 10+ other people for hour long round table gaslighting meetings... & that's pretty much all I needed to know about his complete lack of respect for people, their lives, & complete dismissal of health safeguards & precautions... -I put up with it for 4 months to pad my bank account & then I chunked a deuce.
the virus actually got me before 3 months. I vomited from coughing 5 days in a row. I couldnt even fucking work from home. This virus can seriously kill you. And idiots like this just care about getting people in the office.
@@vampire_kiril they have that boomer Lord Farquad mentality of "some of you may die... but that's a sacrifice i am willing to make..." 🙄🤦
@@sherrryann not "some". like if i went sick to my job of 50 people, 30 would have gotten sick (unable to work 2 weeks) and 8 might just die. imagine being a boomer boss
“Culture is not your friend. Culture is for other peoples’ convenience and the convenience of various institutions, churches, companies, tax collection schemes, what have you. It is not your friend. It insults you. It disempowers you. It uses and abuses you. None of us are well-treated by culture.” - Terrence McKenna
"You cant just tell companies..." THAT is THE problem. Why show loyalty to an employer that would sack you in a heartbeat if it meant the stock price would go up a 1/4 point? That is "Corporate" America he's selling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Great video, thanks! I was mad at myself because I quit two jobs from being micromanaged. Quit the next morning. One of them directly insulted me the other one micromanaged me in an insulting way. And I quit and then I blamed myself for a few years thinking I can’t navigate work. I don’t have the strength etc. etc. After a while I realized you know what I just like to run my own show. I always have always will.
I’m proud of you 👏👏 from one internet stranger to another
No one likes being insulted nor should you put up with that shit if you can possibly quit.
I've already said I'd quit if I had to go back into the office. There is zero reason for me to work remotely sans these two:
1) My more extroverted coworkers want to talk to me about nothing.
2) Some manager(s) don't believe people work unless they are scared of the boss walking by.
My firm has been fine on both counts. In fact, what SHOULD happen now is everyone who is successfully working remotely continue to do so, their businesses terminate their leases as quickly and painlessly as possible, and builders get hired to convert billions of square feet of now obsolete office space into residences to lower housing prices. We should do that, but we won't, because people like Ken Coleman don't think that this change is working. He isn't a boomer, he is a dinosaur.
Boo hoo! Companies are going more remote by the day. He’s in the past.
I love you
I am freelance and when a customer demands me to come in 3 or 4 days a week, I will end my contract! Especially now with gas prices being 10 bucks a gallon here! And then being stuck in a open plan office where I can’t properly think and don’t have all the amenities that I have at home and make me work so much faster.
And I only work 4 day contracts! I don’t do 40+ hours anymore. With my unstable health it’s questionable if I make it to 67 or at least in a well enough shape I can enjoy my retirement ! So why not live now?! Whilst I can.
I’ve seen people in their early 50s drop dead this year! I’ve seen people in their early 60s who worked 50-60 hour jobs for 20+ years get cancer and being incurable! Life is too short to live for a mere job! I rather live a full life being dead poor than a job! I don’t need a plane ride for a holiday anymore. I don’t need to eat out anymore. I’m happy jogging or riding my bike. Programming a little personal project.
Life is too short to spend 80% in stuffy offices and schools!
This ken guy is pretty much grasping for straws here. Its simple: time is more valuable than money. Money lost can be earned back, but you can't earn back time that you lost.
Time IS money.
Yeah, money is a piece of paper with drawings on it.
esp when we got huge backlog of games to complete. Boomers be like , gaming is evil
You overwork yourself, killing your health so you have extra money for medically treating yourself because you overworked yourself
The single most valuable thing in life is time. No amount of money ever bought a minute of time.
I can’t image how toxic of a manager Ken would be.
Lol saw another Dave Ramsey short and KNEW you were going to get on this one josh! :) stay strong!
It’s insane to spend 2 hrs a day commuting if you have another option
The only thing I like about the office is being able to draw stuff on a white board to help explain ideas. I solved this problem by getting a drawing tablet for home. Companies that don't realize working from home is the future will find themselves very behind soon enough.
My office is starting to force us back to work. 0.000000% of my work requires me to be on site. No valid reason has been given for it. The only reason given was “Upper management wants to see butts in seats.”
You are doing the lords work Josh!
4:47 I completely agree about other points of this video, but "who cares about culture?"... I just can't imagine someone who has experienced a truly good culture saying this.
It’s amazing when employers get higher turnover they still refuse to realize they problem might be them…
It's jaw-dropping that this guy claims to be a career coach. He's like an HR representative who portrays themselves as being there to help the employees when their actual loyalty is to the employer.
Reminds me so much of "news" personalities who pretend to be outraged on viewers' behalf when their actual job is manipulating their viewers into believing that the 1%'s interests are actually the viewers' interests. And that anyone who does not oppose their own interests is a moron, lazy, despicable, un-American, or whatever else they can think of that might work to control us unwashed masses.
Just disgusting. As is the embarrassing obsequiousness all the "Ramsey Personalities" exude toward Dave.
There was a leadership course I found that they literally said: leaders are parents and businesses are families.
That's nauseating
OMG talk about "cringe"!
Very good points josh!
"Well see how that plays out" ~ Ken FBoi Coleman
Well see how that plays out for "companies" when they are left without talent to pay for their yachts.