Thanks for having a nuanced take. I felt so frustrated wrt the discourse surrounding this show back when the opening was released. Because it’s definitely the kind of show I would’ve loved as a kid, being a mexican american who didn’t know much spanish, growing up in a household with my grandparents and many of my cousins. Overall, this show is going to resonate with a lot of kids who might feel outcast because of their culture. No, it doesn’t represent peoples lived experiences in latin america, and we do need more shows that are made by people with those experiences, but that’s not what it’s trying to achieve in the first place.
THANK YOU. I and my husband were so irritated by how Primos was treated. He's Mex Am with a million different cousins and loved so much of what he saw! I think online discourse has become so performative over time that all takes must be the "morally correct" ones, that people get swept up in it to avoid being seen as an awful person. It's frustrating because it's the death of nuance, and drowns out the voices of people who truly have that lived experience. Wonderful video and honestly editing style with your ad breaks. Subbing immediately!
As a Latina I found much of the backlash was from exclusionist Latin folks who feel like they’re the ultimate arbiters of the Latin experience and frankly some of them have a resentment to Latin folks whose families usually made the tough choice to come to America for economic opportunity and there’s debatably a classism element to it (one branch of my family lives in Mexico but they’re very rich versus my main family who came to America because they were financially struggling in Mexico and 3-5 generations later we’re still in the working class). TLDR: some Latin folks have a weird hatred for Latin Americans and they’ll look for any opportunity to yell about it
As a Mexican-American, I couldn't agree more with that last statement. Mexico alone is already home to a ton of different opinions, ideas and cultures, and adding the ever-sprawling Chicano culture (itself highly diverse and painted in just about every political ideology across the spectrum of American culture) certainty can be rather overwhelming to the average person unfamiliar with all of this. Of course, what you get out of that can result on a powder keg of dissenting opinions and cross-cultural clashes. It all ends up being rather counterproductive and very cynical intrapersonal conflicts that just don't help anyone.
I'm honestly glad that Primos is still airing despite the backlash. There's such a shortage of original series that aren't just reboots/spin offs, and it makes me glad that we can at least have one more new series that isn't that bad.
Yes! I was worried that Disney was going to panic and reward the haters by pulling the show, which would only send the message that those tactics "work."
Funny that all it took for we as a society to start realizing this isn't some unholy insensitive abomination, and instead a nice, fairly sweet look at a certain experience, was for people to actually WATCH THE DANG SHOW.
The promo and voice actress did NOT do this show any favors to be fair. I don't blame people for overreacting when the voice actress went out her way to start shit
This is the direct example of "don't judge a book by it's cover” and we all fell for it, we all judged the show by immediate appearances and a rushed conclusive set of thought because everything pointed to that exact direction… but it turns out (at least for a percentage of us who gave the show an opportunity) that it was FAR from the unhinged piece of crap we predicted it to be; this story is a rather complex exemplification of how sometimes a terrible action correlated but individual to the source is viewed as directly at the helm of the creator's responsibility when it's not always on their hands (right, Myrna Velazco?). Wether you see the show as a masterpiece, a decent project or a waste of time that's up to you, but we should all learn a lesson: misinterpretations and misinformation controlled by the masses can be powerful, and good intentions can be overturned by a simple mistake. We're deeply sorry, Natalia.
@@katie15732 that and Velma are arguably the only ones that deserved the outrage they got (I strongly believe High Guardian Spice is worse than Velma, because even though they are both political agendas disguised as cartoons, at least Velma has decent animation).
The part about Made by Maddie is so good. We should've did that show more justice. I hope everyone who worked on that show got another opportunity to show off their hard work. It's obviously not on the same exact level, but I'm a fan of Rainbow Butterfly Unicorn Kitty, and I'm glad that Nick didn't fold that badly to the allegations then.
Thank you for this. When the backlash first started, I was genuinely confused. I saw so much of my life and experiences in Tater and her family. I'm Mex-Am, I can't speak Spanish, I lost count of how many cousins I have years ago. The fact that other Latinos/Latinas were enraged by this was jarring. This show was about the Mexican-American experiance. How growing up, you have this disconnect. Heck, my father and I both view Mexican culture through a historian's or archivist's lens as that's how we experienced it. Glad that people are finally stepping back and giving this show a better chance.
Great video! I never really heard about Made by Maddie and the whole outrage over it. Good lord, what a toxic mess. I can’t believe the Hair Love creator threw the other team under the bus like that when the designs didn’t look wildly similar.
Also hamster and Gretel has Latine leads and the kids both look even whiter! If it weren’t for the mom and grandma occasionally showing up I wouldn’t have noticed they were Latine
They never directly said whether Kevin and Gretel's mother in the show was their birth mother and they are white on their dad's side. I think it's implied that she came later.
There are white latinos specially in places like America, alot of Venezuelans in that country are white, Povenmire based the characters on his own kids who have Venezuelan heritage due her ex-wife and the main story editor and EP Joanna Hausmann also Venezuelan. The irony is that before the Primos controversy happen alot and i mean alot of people within the animation community where saying that "Hamster & Gretel has poor latine representation compared to other DTVA shows like The Owl House" after Primos dropped they finally left H&G alone.
I appreciate this video and your nuanced take on the discourse surrounding Primos. I'm also black, and I've tried to respectfully explain to people that Natasha Kline just wanted to create a good children's show about her experiences growing up as a Mexican-American child in Los Angeles, California. I don't think she had any ill will or malicious intent when creating this show. But people are still choosing to believe that it's "racist" and that it's the worst show they've ever seen. The show's not a masterpiece, so I understand not liking it simply because it isn't your cup of tea. But it certainly isn't the worst DTVA cartoon ever made. It's just an average Disney Channel cartoon, nothing too special. It's evident that a considerable amount of thought and care went into creating Primos, but the backlash has tarnished its reputation. Unlike Tater's voice actress, Natasha Kline responded to the backlash more reasonably without insulting the Latin-American language or the people criticizing the show. She was more open to making changes as long as she could keep what was essential to her story. She changed the town's name, changed Cookita's name to Lucita, and made it more obvious the show is in LA, not Mexico. But she wanted to keep what was integral to her story. I haven't heard anyone else bring this up, so I will. I genuinely feel sorry for Natasha Kline and the creatives involved. She didn't deserve to have her first project ripped to shreds before it even came out. I've heard she's even been receiving death threats, which is both insane and completely unacceptable. I've heard people say that the backlash likely would have died down after a couple of days if Myrna Velasco hadn't said anything or if she had responded more rationally to the criticism by clarifying that the reason for the broken Spanish was because Tater is a "no sabo" kid. But I've also heard people say that even before she made her response, the intro was already receiving a lot of hate. It was just her comments that ended up fueling the fire. In conclusion, I hope this entire experience doesn't discourage future creators from wanting to tell their stories. I wish people, especially Latinos, would look past the controversy and stop treating this show like it's an abomination. Attacking this random kid's cartoon won't solve anything and will only cause more injustice and infighting. Hopefully, the show will gain a bigger audience and find its footing as it continues.
This is probably the best video on the show I've seen so far. I'm really glad you gave your take on this as well, as a Chicano I related to a lot of the ideas this show presented personally. It's nice to see honestly.
I agree on the soundtrack. The background music is awesome, which is to be expected since it's Jim Lang. I watched a few clips and I IMMEDIATELY noticed tracks/stings/sound effects from Hey Arnold and Ready Jet Go. "City of Angels" is probably the best cartoon credits song since "Love Like You" and I'm not joking.
Oigan! I've caught a few episodes of Primos, and it's very charming. Not something I'll go out of my way to watch, hype, discuss, or deconstruct, but something I'll be perfectly content to watch if I happen to catch it on TV. I do think my favorite character is the Vision Tiger, followed by ChaCha. Also, this is admittedly my "hammer," but I was trying to decide if Tater was a lil' bit ADHD, or just imaginative and impulsive in the standard way. Also, also, I need more "Romancimorphs" worldbuilding. You can't just hint at a teen romance series that seemingly involves a sexy anthro capybara and then leave me hangin'.
As the voice of both Bud (Dad) and Vision Tiger, I gotta say it would not surprise me if you became an entertainment historian and/or wrote consistently about breaking down the creative process. This was fascinating to watch and highly entertaining. Well done.
Never heard of Made by Maddie - thank you. I don't use Twitter so most of the backlash is invisible to me but I can't act like it doesn't still have an effect like subtly making me turn away from this show. Frankly I don't think jumping to conclusions for this type of thing is ever good - even when the show is actually bad like Velma. I've already watched a few episodes - seems like a solid kid's show. I actually like the concept art - it reminds me of a specific artstyle of maybe a children's book or something that I don't remember. I'll check out the episodes you recommended.
Thank you for making this video Delhi. Af first i was one of those people who sided with the angry mob when the theme song came out but over time I the backlash felt harsh. Im not Mexican nor do i live in LA but who am i to judge someone telling thier story. Plus in the show thier are relatble things im from a Caribbean household and grew up with my cousins. Despite not being the best I will give it some slack.
I havent seen the show yet, nor examined every concern people had with the show, but my grandma was essentially a "no sabo kid" my dad is even more removed and I'm reclaiming my Mexican and Spanish heritage. I dont look "mexican" and have been told that my whole life, my sister is a ginger and people would use that to "prove" that I CANT be Mexican. While as an adult I understand that I'm not Mexican because I haven't participated in that culture, those kids who bullied me weren't thinking about Mexican culture, they were thinking about how I LOOKED. Also as an adult I've learned how many gingers are in Mexico, and how Black slaves escaped to Mexico from the US, and how the Chinese would immigrate into Mexico and THEN cross the boarder to work on the transcontinential railroad. Mexico is a HUGE, beautiful, diverse, amalgamation of people from all ethnicities. I love seeing that represented. I LOVE seeing a main character who can't speak Spanish (well.) I can understand if people were upset by XYZ things they saw in the theme song or show, but to bully the show and say they're trying to pass this ONE stereotype of Mexicans just seems unsupported. But also, we have to KEEP making Latino shows if we want full Latino representation. I dont remember people being pissed off about Mucha Lucha or El Tigre. And I'm pretty sure I finished listing every Latin centric show I grew up with. Oh. Dora the Explorer. Like, we need more shows to give us variety and representation. Again, Mexico ALONE is a huge and diverse country, and that's not even incorporating South America. A singular kids cartoon is never going to be good enough representation of EVERY Latino/Chicano/Hispanic person. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, because then all your representation is going to be El Luchador. I'd rather my kids watch Primos than Nacho Libre. And if I want my kids to have a real diverse perspective of ANY culture, I'm not going to depend on mainstream cartoons to provide that. I'm going to access Mexican media for them. I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's objections to the show, I'm just trying to include some nuance to why it's so difficult to make an "accurate" representation. Instead, you should be focusing on authentic, respectful, and diverse representation/s/.
Also, I 100% had a Mexican friend who was only called Nacho. I dont know why, he was introduced to me like that, I never learned his real name. Like... it sounds SUPER offensive but....sometimes stereotypes are built from a kernel of 'truth.' The 'truths' become warped and exaggerated and over generalized to represent an entire group of people when they become a stereotype and THATS wrong. It's wrong to apply stereotypes to people, it's not wrong to 'be' a 'stereotype.' Obviously I'm NOT saying that "stereotypes are okay because they're true." But assuming something has ill intentions just because it aligns with a stereotype is taking the easy way out rather than dissecting the situation. Think about how it comes across to culture-police someone about their own culture.
After the whole initial controversy, I woulda thought everyone would calm the hell down and stop treating it like it's the worst piece of media ever, but nah let's really FORCE a Velma type of hatedom (it didn't really work) instead of just calling it mid or bad. I'm not interested in seeing the show, doesn't look my kind of thing, but at this point the seething hate for it is so damn corny lol.
I can see why some people would think Made by Maddie looks too similar to Hair Love but lots of black people have hair like that. They should have redone the character designs if it was that big of a deal. Would it have been that expensive they did it with Sonic.
I've been following the show out of spite because I found the twitter backlash really funny, I think it's okay! I don't find the fact it was a victim of people trying to police latin experiences even a little surprising. Bad Faith based backlash is really dumb and annoying, I'm glad the show at least has an audience.
One of the (many) things I hate about situations like this is that the people parading the hate seem like the expect 100% “perfect” (whatever that’s meant to mean) representation of what ever culture is being presented. And that anything that doesn’t fit into their “perfect” standard is “cultural appropriation” or it’s “racist”. Nothing is perfect and there WILL be some mistakes along the way. But the way people responded to the mistakes was also completely wrong. Responding with hate, vitriol, and spite, even if coming from a well-meaning place, will only bring more hate into the discussion instead of solving it. Which we saw when the VA “responded” to the hate.
While it's true that the show was never this unholy abomination people made it to be, the things that the showrunners changed after the backlash did really improve the show, imo. Some backlash is okay. But damn it got too far.
@@toon4thought No way dude. I love your videos, I was not expecting to see you reply to my comment. But yeah that episode, really submitted Gordita as my favorite character.
About the Terremoto stuff, it's just that earthquakes are pretty deadly in Latin America, which turns it into a pretty touchy subject for many people down here. The last major Terremoto in Mexico was in 2017 and it had 370 victims and it left many more people homeless. I don't agree with the harassment the staff of Primos went through however.
That touchiness would make sense if the show were set in LatAm. But it's set in Los Angeles / Southern California. We had 6 earthquakes (that were strong enough to notice) between June - September this year. They're jarring and also a regular occurrence. I'm more upset with Disney for not making that distinction of geography (that Primos is in LA) clear in the first place.
I watched it. It's decent. The hate surrounding it was definitely blown out of proportion, but Tater's VA's approach on the matter didn’t help, though I'm glad they fixed some of the issues while keeping how they wanted the show to be. Maybe if people ACTUALLY GAVE THE SHOW A CHANCE AND WATCHED IT, then their opinions wouldn't just be hate-based. Also, the character designs are fine. I don't see why they're "ugly."
I’m Hispanic and I felt like the hatred for this show at the beginning felt (mostly) unwarranted. I definitely want to give this show a shot when I get the chance.
Alright, I will admit that I did join the hate train for this show. I ended up making this one Family Guy meme comparing Primos to the likes of El Tigre. I like to think that I'm better than "the Twitter manchildren" but I am guilty of joining hate trains, following bandwagons, and falling for ragebait. This behavior is not only stupid but also quite harmful. There's this idea that every piece of media focused on a specific group has to represent every single member of that group, and if it doesn't, then the show is evil and bigoted and the creators are -ist/-phobic. Just look at what happened with Q-Force, another show with a lot of backlash and I was guilty of joining the hate train for it. It got backlash for being stereotypical even though the creators were gay men. The initial trailer really did it dirty. And it's not lost on me that the character who got shat on the most was the feminine gay guy - they're basically the punching bags of the LGBTQ+ community at this point and frankly that's just sad.
yeah honestly i was thinking about q-force when i made my other comment. im queer and i dont love everything about it based on what i watched of it, but the characters are charming and it clearly came from a genuine place 😭
huh my orig comment didn't go through.. basically I was saying how its always unfortunate when a marginalized artist creates something based on their lives and tons of people crap on it and assume it was made by an outsider making fun of them. in interviews with natasha kline she talks about primos and her family with so much love, i just feel bad for her. to be clear nobody is obliged to like the show nor is it exempt from critique. like im not chicano but if a new show was announced starring a family from my ethnic group and they had nicknames i felt were offensive i probably would avoid it too. in the end im glad the show made it out and that it is resonating with people with a similar background, instead of the mouse writting it off on their taxes or something... this doesn't apply to q-force 1:1 but the people who worked on that didn't deserve the level of backlash either. btw this isn't me judging you for joining proverbial bandwagons for cartoons, i have too! just sharing my thoughts edit - i added a few things i think are pertinent
Cancelling this for being stereotypical is just as lame as cancelling Speedy Gonzolez for being stereotypical. Latinos can have their own funny ass characters just like white people.
FACTS & TRUTH, m8. Craig of the Creek is also a Criminally underrated and truly consistently good to great cartoon that needs more love, not less. The End.
@icecreamhero2375 And..... Whatever to you too, m8. Craig of the Creek has far more heart put into it than anything you could ever recommend to me in general, honestly & unfortunately enough, m8. Go ahead if you want, tho.
@@shakurburton9358 Every time I have tried to watch Craig of the Creek I have been bored out of my mind. It is far too schmaltzy. It is one of the few CN shows I can't sit through. Recess is a much better show. In that show the kids are a little bit like mini adults and it has a bit more of a saterical edge. Also its just funnier.
@@shakurburton9358 Don't they sometimes go to school in Craig of the Creek? Also, you rarely see them in class in Kagya-Sama since it is focused on their relationships and School President activities.
24:39 개차ㅡ무 X ㄱㄷㄹㄷㄱ둧ㄷ "Rockman X Reference" 26:56 No, I fully agree with you, the songs are vivid, raw and powerful. I still have "So so good to be a little bit bad" STUCK in my head.
This show is criminally underrated & I like it (far more than The Loud House/The Casagrandes, for example!), so for me - forget the haters. The controversy isn't gonna allow this show too last long (as much as it should last 2-3 seasons minimim, IMHO!) tho, honestly & unfortunately enough.
The controversy blew up to insane levels because Disney didn't shield their employes from the abuse. Instead of giving a platform to the crew to clear things up, they remained silent all the way and only broke their silence promising edits to the show making the harassers feel vindicated.
What you say at the end of Part 3 - that's how & why Moon Girl ain't getting a season 3, for example. Same as how & why Young Love - another show I like, Aint ever gettin' a Season 2.
Tater calling ChaCha an “alien” probably gave the wrong impression to outsiders who might interpret “alien” as “an illegal alien” rather than “an extraterritorial alien”
tbf if i were a network executive who just saw the internet freak out over a few mexican kids being named 'nacho' and 'gordita' in a cartoon, i'd probably ask them to change this too.
I think the creator should have looked at the other cartoons that were out and said "Maybe I shouldn't do a cartoon about a giant family. I might get accused of Ripping off Loud House even though this idea is based on my childhood." I think more professionals should be watching the other cartoons that are out to keep up with the competition. I've seen interviews with some that say they don't watch many newer cartoons.
"Fans"? The people who got mad at Primos were the usual internet sociopaths who make unhinged claims to try and ruin shows before they premiered. Myrna said nothing wrong and she was right to call them out because every time these "people" out of their caves they cause enough controversy to delay or cancel Disney shows.
Primos United Both Of the Us brands of right wing in Hatred,Liberals,and Theocrats. Please do not break the alliance. I’m still going to watch the show but I need someone to apoligize for Vagina being the name of the baby.
You do realize that "Cuquita" is an actual nickname found in Mexico, right? The wife of popular singer Vicentes Fernadez was often referred to as "Dona Cuquita." By that logic, no one called Richard can be referred to as "Dick" anymore because "Dick" is also the informal way to reference the male's reproduction organ.
Everyone's trying to make this into some deep discourse but no one's actually talking about the show itself! I hate Primos because it's cringe and honestly I don't like it! Not going to go Velma hater here but I don't understand why people like Primos. I hate it like most people before the show premiered and if Primos got cancelled like with Velma I would be happy but hope the people involved work on something better.
Nah, it's pretty decent show. Not mindblowing, but as a Mexican-American, I couldn't help to enjoy certain things, like references to the iconic Latin American hero Chespirito, and the Halloween episode had some solid bits revolving around the Grandma character
@@extrahistory8956 I agree with you. The show does get a lot of unnecessary hate. But I was referring to the original poster, who claimed they would be "happy" if the show got canceled. I only asked because, to me, it felt a little rude for them to say that.
Thanks for having a nuanced take. I felt so frustrated wrt the discourse surrounding this show back when the opening was released. Because it’s definitely the kind of show I would’ve loved as a kid, being a mexican american who didn’t know much spanish, growing up in a household with my grandparents and many of my cousins. Overall, this show is going to resonate with a lot of kids who might feel outcast because of their culture. No, it doesn’t represent peoples lived experiences in latin america, and we do need more shows that are made by people with those experiences, but that’s not what it’s trying to achieve in the first place.
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THANK YOU. I and my husband were so irritated by how Primos was treated. He's Mex Am with a million different cousins and loved so much of what he saw! I think online discourse has become so performative over time that all takes must be the "morally correct" ones, that people get swept up in it to avoid being seen as an awful person. It's frustrating because it's the death of nuance, and drowns out the voices of people who truly have that lived experience.
Wonderful video and honestly editing style with your ad breaks. Subbing immediately!
As a Latina I found much of the backlash was from exclusionist Latin folks who feel like they’re the ultimate arbiters of the Latin experience and frankly some of them have a resentment to Latin folks whose families usually made the tough choice to come to America for economic opportunity and there’s debatably a classism element to it (one branch of my family lives in Mexico but they’re very rich versus my main family who came to America because they were financially struggling in Mexico and 3-5 generations later we’re still in the working class). TLDR: some Latin folks have a weird hatred for Latin Americans and they’ll look for any opportunity to yell about it
As a Mexican-American, I couldn't agree more with that last statement. Mexico alone is already home to a ton of different opinions, ideas and cultures, and adding the ever-sprawling Chicano culture (itself highly diverse and painted in just about every political ideology across the spectrum of American culture) certainty can be rather overwhelming to the average person unfamiliar with all of this.
Of course, what you get out of that can result on a powder keg of dissenting opinions and cross-cultural clashes. It all ends up being rather counterproductive and very cynical intrapersonal conflicts that just don't help anyone.
as also a latina, yes omg yes, most of the exclusionary ones are so fucking classits and racist
I'm honestly glad that Primos is still airing despite the backlash. There's such a shortage of original series that aren't just reboots/spin offs, and it makes me glad that we can at least have one more new series that isn't that bad.
Yes! I was worried that Disney was going to panic and reward the haters by pulling the show, which would only send the message that those tactics "work."
Funny that all it took for we as a society to start realizing this isn't some unholy insensitive abomination, and instead a nice, fairly sweet look at a certain experience, was for people to actually WATCH THE DANG SHOW.
Give me a break
The promo and voice actress did NOT do this show any favors to be fair. I don't blame people for overreacting when the voice actress went out her way to start shit
@@92JazzQueen Do you have anything better to do than complain about a random cartoon made for children?
@@starlight9517 says people defending said show
This is the direct example of "don't judge a book by it's cover” and we all fell for it, we all judged the show by immediate appearances and a rushed conclusive set of thought because everything pointed to that exact direction… but it turns out (at least for a percentage of us who gave the show an opportunity) that it was FAR from the unhinged piece of crap we predicted it to be; this story is a rather complex exemplification of how sometimes a terrible action correlated but individual to the source is viewed as directly at the helm of the creator's responsibility when it's not always on their hands (right, Myrna Velazco?).
Wether you see the show as a masterpiece, a decent project or a waste of time that's up to you, but we should all learn a lesson: misinterpretations and misinformation controlled by the masses can be powerful, and good intentions can be overturned by a simple mistake.
We're deeply sorry, Natalia.
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@@92JazzQueen What's your problem?
Genuinely haven’t seen a show get that much outrage prior to release since Thundercats roar, which was 6 years ago.
There was also Loonatics Unleashed and we all know what happened.
Me either- even then (while I'm a thundercats fan) I couldn't understand why people were just so angry at it's existence
High Guardian Spice too
@@katie15732 that and Velma are arguably the only ones that deserved the outrage they got (I strongly believe High Guardian Spice is worse than Velma, because even though they are both political agendas disguised as cartoons, at least Velma has decent animation).
"It didn't hit me as hard as The Shame of Love"
The Shame of Love legit made me shed lots of tears because it hit so close to home for me.
Thank you for making this video. ¡Oye Primos! 🧡
thanks for kickstarting the fandom homie 💙
Congrats on having your video in one of Delhi's. It would be great to be featured on his channel.
The part about Made by Maddie is so good. We should've did that show more justice. I hope everyone who worked on that show got another opportunity to show off their hard work.
It's obviously not on the same exact level, but I'm a fan of Rainbow Butterfly Unicorn Kitty, and I'm glad that Nick didn't fold that badly to the allegations then.
Thank you for this. When the backlash first started, I was genuinely confused. I saw so much of my life and experiences in Tater and her family. I'm Mex-Am, I can't speak Spanish, I lost count of how many cousins I have years ago. The fact that other Latinos/Latinas were enraged by this was jarring. This show was about the Mexican-American experiance. How growing up, you have this disconnect. Heck, my father and I both view Mexican culture through a historian's or archivist's lens as that's how we experienced it. Glad that people are finally stepping back and giving this show a better chance.
Great video! I never really heard about Made by Maddie and the whole outrage over it. Good lord, what a toxic mess. I can’t believe the Hair Love creator threw the other team under the bus like that when the designs didn’t look wildly similar.
Also hamster and Gretel has Latine leads and the kids both look even whiter! If it weren’t for the mom and grandma occasionally showing up I wouldn’t have noticed they were Latine
They never directly said whether Kevin and Gretel's mother in the show was their birth mother and they are white on their dad's side. I think it's implied that she came later.
There are white latinos specially in places like America, alot of Venezuelans in that country are white, Povenmire based the characters on his own kids who have Venezuelan heritage due her ex-wife and the main story editor and EP Joanna Hausmann also Venezuelan. The irony is that before the Primos controversy happen alot and i mean alot of people within the animation community where saying that "Hamster & Gretel has poor latine representation compared to other DTVA shows like The Owl House" after Primos dropped they finally left H&G alone.
This video needs 10million views bc people need to hear part 3 so bad
I appreciate this video and your nuanced take on the discourse surrounding Primos. I'm also black, and I've tried to respectfully explain to people that Natasha Kline just wanted to create a good children's show about her experiences growing up as a Mexican-American child in Los Angeles, California. I don't think she had any ill will or malicious intent when creating this show. But people are still choosing to believe that it's "racist" and that it's the worst show they've ever seen. The show's not a masterpiece, so I understand not liking it simply because it isn't your cup of tea. But it certainly isn't the worst DTVA cartoon ever made. It's just an average Disney Channel cartoon, nothing too special. It's evident that a considerable amount of thought and care went into creating Primos, but the backlash has tarnished its reputation.
Unlike Tater's voice actress, Natasha Kline responded to the backlash more reasonably without insulting the Latin-American language or the people criticizing the show. She was more open to making changes as long as she could keep what was essential to her story.
She changed the town's name, changed Cookita's name to Lucita, and made it more obvious the show is in LA, not Mexico. But she wanted to keep what was integral to her story. I haven't heard anyone else bring this up, so I will. I genuinely feel sorry for Natasha Kline and the creatives involved. She didn't deserve to have her first project ripped to shreds before it even came out. I've heard she's even been receiving death threats, which is both insane and completely unacceptable.
I've heard people say that the backlash likely would have died down after a couple of days if Myrna Velasco hadn't said anything or if she had responded more rationally to the criticism by clarifying that the reason for the broken Spanish was because Tater is a "no sabo" kid. But I've also heard people say that even before she made her response, the intro was already receiving a lot of hate. It was just her comments that ended up fueling the fire.
In conclusion, I hope this entire experience doesn't discourage future creators from wanting to tell their stories. I wish people, especially Latinos, would look past the controversy and stop treating this show like it's an abomination. Attacking this random kid's cartoon won't solve anything and will only cause more injustice and infighting. Hopefully, the show will gain a bigger audience and find its footing as it continues.
*gives a loud applause for such a rational, informative comment*
Really tho, comments like these we need more of.
This is probably the best video on the show I've seen so far. I'm really glad you gave your take on this as well, as a Chicano I related to a lot of the ideas this show presented personally. It's nice to see honestly.
don't apologize! you are only the 7th Primos video recommended to me
I agree on the soundtrack. The background music is awesome, which is to be expected since it's Jim Lang. I watched a few clips and I IMMEDIATELY noticed tracks/stings/sound effects from Hey Arnold and Ready Jet Go. "City of Angels" is probably the best cartoon credits song since "Love Like You" and I'm not joking.
Oigan! I've caught a few episodes of Primos, and it's very charming. Not something I'll go out of my way to watch, hype, discuss, or deconstruct, but something I'll be perfectly content to watch if I happen to catch it on TV. I do think my favorite character is the Vision Tiger, followed by ChaCha.
Also, this is admittedly my "hammer," but I was trying to decide if Tater was a lil' bit ADHD, or just imaginative and impulsive in the standard way.
Also, also, I need more "Romancimorphs" worldbuilding. You can't just hint at a teen romance series that seemingly involves a sexy anthro capybara and then leave me hangin'.
As the voice of both Bud (Dad) and Vision Tiger, I gotta say it would not surprise me if you became an entertainment historian and/or wrote consistently about breaking down the creative process. This was fascinating to watch and highly entertaining. Well done.
Never heard of Made by Maddie - thank you. I don't use Twitter so most of the backlash is invisible to me but I can't act like it doesn't still have an effect like subtly making me turn away from this show. Frankly I don't think jumping to conclusions for this type of thing is ever good - even when the show is actually bad like Velma. I've already watched a few episodes - seems like a solid kid's show. I actually like the concept art - it reminds me of a specific artstyle of maybe a children's book or something that I don't remember. I'll check out the episodes you recommended.
the show is cute. I also feel like I know more spanish.
Thank you for making this video Delhi. Af first i was one of those people who sided with the angry mob when the theme song came out but over time I the backlash felt harsh. Im not Mexican nor do i live in LA but who am i to judge someone telling thier story. Plus in the show thier are relatble things im from a Caribbean household and grew up with my cousins. Despite not being the best I will give it some slack.
I havent seen the show yet, nor examined every concern people had with the show, but my grandma was essentially a "no sabo kid" my dad is even more removed and I'm reclaiming my Mexican and Spanish heritage.
I dont look "mexican" and have been told that my whole life, my sister is a ginger and people would use that to "prove" that I CANT be Mexican.
While as an adult I understand that I'm not Mexican because I haven't participated in that culture, those kids who bullied me weren't thinking about Mexican culture, they were thinking about how I LOOKED.
Also as an adult I've learned how many gingers are in Mexico, and how Black slaves escaped to Mexico from the US, and how the Chinese would immigrate into Mexico and THEN cross the boarder to work on the transcontinential railroad.
Mexico is a HUGE, beautiful, diverse, amalgamation of people from all ethnicities.
I love seeing that represented. I LOVE seeing a main character who can't speak Spanish (well.)
I can understand if people were upset by XYZ things they saw in the theme song or show, but to bully the show and say they're trying to pass this ONE stereotype of Mexicans just seems unsupported.
But also, we have to KEEP making Latino shows if we want full Latino representation.
I dont remember people being pissed off about Mucha Lucha or El Tigre. And I'm pretty sure I finished listing every Latin centric show I grew up with. Oh. Dora the Explorer.
Like, we need more shows to give us variety and representation. Again, Mexico ALONE is a huge and diverse country, and that's not even incorporating South America. A singular kids cartoon is never going to be good enough representation of EVERY Latino/Chicano/Hispanic person.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, because then all your representation is going to be El Luchador.
I'd rather my kids watch Primos than Nacho Libre.
And if I want my kids to have a real diverse perspective of ANY culture, I'm not going to depend on mainstream cartoons to provide that. I'm going to access Mexican media for them.
I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's objections to the show, I'm just trying to include some nuance to why it's so difficult to make an "accurate" representation. Instead, you should be focusing on authentic, respectful, and diverse representation/s/.
Also, I 100% had a Mexican friend who was only called Nacho. I dont know why, he was introduced to me like that, I never learned his real name.
Like... it sounds SUPER offensive but....sometimes stereotypes are built from a kernel of 'truth.' The 'truths' become warped and exaggerated and over generalized to represent an entire group of people when they become a stereotype and THATS wrong.
It's wrong to apply stereotypes to people, it's not wrong to 'be' a 'stereotype.'
Obviously I'm NOT saying that "stereotypes are okay because they're true."
But assuming something has ill intentions just because it aligns with a stereotype is taking the easy way out rather than dissecting the situation.
Think about how it comes across to culture-police someone about their own culture.
After the whole initial controversy, I woulda thought everyone would calm the hell down and stop treating it like it's the worst piece of media ever, but nah let's really FORCE a Velma type of hatedom (it didn't really work) instead of just calling it mid or bad. I'm not interested in seeing the show, doesn't look my kind of thing, but at this point the seething hate for it is so damn corny lol.
I can see why some people would think Made by Maddie looks too similar to Hair Love but lots of black people have hair like that. They should have redone the character designs if it was that big of a deal. Would it have been that expensive they did it with Sonic.
You NAILED IT! The song are so so good!
I've been following the show out of spite because I found the twitter backlash really funny, I think it's okay! I don't find the fact it was a victim of people trying to police latin experiences even a little surprising. Bad Faith based backlash is really dumb and annoying, I'm glad the show at least has an audience.
One of the (many) things I hate about situations like this is that the people parading the hate seem like the expect 100% “perfect” (whatever that’s meant to mean) representation of what ever culture is being presented. And that anything that doesn’t fit into their “perfect” standard is “cultural appropriation” or it’s “racist”. Nothing is perfect and there WILL be some mistakes along the way. But the way people responded to the mistakes was also completely wrong. Responding with hate, vitriol, and spite, even if coming from a well-meaning place, will only bring more hate into the discussion instead of solving it. Which we saw when the VA “responded” to the hate.
Isn’t bad. People over react to much
While it's true that the show was never this unholy abomination people made it to be, the things that the showrunners changed after the backlash did really improve the show, imo. Some backlash is okay. But damn it got too far.
Bro thank you for shouting out Summer of Cuadros, that's my all time favorite episode.
Mine too.
@@toon4thought No way dude. I love your videos, I was not expecting to see you reply to my comment. But yeah that episode, really submitted Gordita as my favorite character.
@samv.3217 Awwwww thanks.
Fun fact: Gordita is voiced by none other than Natasha Kline.
@@toon4thought I was stunned when I first found that out, she did a good job I didn't even realize it was her initially.
About the Terremoto stuff, it's just that earthquakes are pretty deadly in Latin America, which turns it into a pretty touchy subject for many people down here. The last major Terremoto in Mexico was in 2017 and it had 370 victims and it left many more people homeless. I don't agree with the harassment the staff of Primos went through however.
That touchiness would make sense if the show were set in LatAm. But it's set in Los Angeles / Southern California. We had 6 earthquakes (that were strong enough to notice) between June - September this year. They're jarring and also a regular occurrence. I'm more upset with Disney for not making that distinction of geography (that Primos is in LA) clear in the first place.
I watched it. It's decent. The hate surrounding it was definitely blown out of proportion, but Tater's VA's approach on the matter didn’t help, though I'm glad they fixed some of the issues while keeping how they wanted the show to be.
Maybe if people ACTUALLY GAVE THE SHOW A CHANCE AND WATCHED IT, then their opinions wouldn't just be hate-based. Also, the character designs are fine. I don't see why they're "ugly."
I’m Hispanic and I felt like the hatred for this show at the beginning felt (mostly) unwarranted. I definitely want to give this show a shot when I get the chance.
Good vid
*21:50* that Winnie the Pooh theme made me nostalgic 😊
Alright, I will admit that I did join the hate train for this show. I ended up making this one Family Guy meme comparing Primos to the likes of El Tigre. I like to think that I'm better than "the Twitter manchildren" but I am guilty of joining hate trains, following bandwagons, and falling for ragebait. This behavior is not only stupid but also quite harmful. There's this idea that every piece of media focused on a specific group has to represent every single member of that group, and if it doesn't, then the show is evil and bigoted and the creators are -ist/-phobic. Just look at what happened with Q-Force, another show with a lot of backlash and I was guilty of joining the hate train for it. It got backlash for being stereotypical even though the creators were gay men. The initial trailer really did it dirty. And it's not lost on me that the character who got shat on the most was the feminine gay guy - they're basically the punching bags of the LGBTQ+ community at this point and frankly that's just sad.
yeah honestly i was thinking about q-force when i made my other comment. im queer and i dont love everything about it based on what i watched of it, but the characters are charming and it clearly came from a genuine place 😭
huh my orig comment didn't go through.. basically I was saying how its always unfortunate when a marginalized artist creates something based on their lives and tons of people crap on it and assume it was made by an outsider making fun of them. in interviews with natasha kline she talks about primos and her family with so much love, i just feel bad for her. to be clear nobody is obliged to like the show nor is it exempt from critique. like im not chicano but if a new show was announced starring a family from my ethnic group and they had nicknames i felt were offensive i probably would avoid it too. in the end im glad the show made it out and that it is resonating with people with a similar background, instead of the mouse writting it off on their taxes or something... this doesn't apply to q-force 1:1 but the people who worked on that didn't deserve the level of backlash either. btw this isn't me judging you for joining proverbial bandwagons for cartoons, i have too! just sharing my thoughts
edit - i added a few things i think are pertinent
Honestly the show is starting to grow on me and here’s to hoping they find their footing as it progresses
Cancelling this for being stereotypical is just as lame as cancelling Speedy Gonzolez for being stereotypical.
Latinos can have their own funny ass characters just like white people.
Great video, and I still love Primos.
FACTS & TRUTH, m8. Craig of the Creek is also a Criminally underrated and truly consistently good to great cartoon that needs more love, not less. The End.
Craig of the Creek is one of the most boring shows ever made.
@icecreamhero2375 And..... Whatever to you too, m8. Craig of the Creek has far more heart put into it than anything you could ever recommend to me in general, honestly & unfortunately enough, m8. Go ahead if you want, tho.
@@shakurburton9358 Every time I have tried to watch Craig of the Creek I have been bored out of my mind. It is far too schmaltzy. It is one of the few CN shows I can't sit through. Recess is a much better show. In that show the kids are a little bit like mini adults and it has a bit more of a saterical edge. Also its just funnier.
@@icecreamhero2375 Just Another kids going to school anime. That noise bores me to death, so no thanks, m8. Okay, take care.
@@shakurburton9358 Don't they sometimes go to school in Craig of the Creek? Also, you rarely see them in class in Kagya-Sama since it is focused on their relationships and School President activities.
24:39 개차ㅡ무 X ㄱㄷㄹㄷㄱ둧ㄷ
"Rockman X Reference"
26:56 No, I fully agree with you, the songs are vivid, raw and powerful. I still have "So so good to be a little bit bad" STUCK in my head.
This show is criminally underrated & I like it (far more than The Loud House/The Casagrandes, for example!), so for me - forget the haters. The controversy isn't gonna allow this show too last long (as much as it should last 2-3 seasons minimim, IMHO!) tho, honestly & unfortunately enough.
What does it mean?
Honestly I might have appreciated this show as a kid, like I am a Latinx that don't speak Spanish
Hey we don't speak that n@zi language around here.
a what.
@@dytamic They're probably non binary and identify with that term.
LatinX? That's a big yikes right there....
@@mechajay3358how?
The controversy blew up to insane levels because Disney didn't shield their employes from the abuse. Instead of giving a platform to the crew to clear things up, they remained silent all the way and only broke their silence promising edits to the show making the harassers feel vindicated.
What you say at the end of Part 3 - that's how & why Moon Girl ain't getting a season 3, for example. Same as how & why Young Love - another show I like, Aint ever gettin' a Season 2.
20:30 why did they change this? Wqhts the implication here?
Tater calling ChaCha an “alien” probably gave the wrong impression to outsiders who might interpret “alien” as “an illegal alien” rather than “an extraterritorial alien”
They're literally in a flying saucer. Honestly if someone takes that some kinda way, that's a self-report @@Yumifreak3
@@Yumifreak3 i see.
tbf if i were a network executive who just saw the internet freak out over a few mexican kids being named 'nacho' and 'gordita' in a cartoon, i'd probably ask them to change this too.
It not as good as the Loud House and the Casagrandes but it honestly pretty enjoyable still better then Hamster and gretel and Zombies Reanimated
I enjoy those shows!
They're not cringe like Primos' designs!
@@ChrisTalkz fine that your opinion I find Hamster and gretel boring and Zombies Reanimated cringe
Hamster and Gretel is pretty good imo and I couldn’t give less of a fuck about the zombies series
Interesting
the contreversey definitley feels like wokespotting. take all the context out, cherry pick like no tomorrow.
2:28 *I KNEW IT*
I think the creator should have looked at the other cartoons that were out and said "Maybe I shouldn't do a cartoon about a giant family. I might get accused of Ripping off Loud House even though this idea is based on my childhood." I think more professionals should be watching the other cartoons that are out to keep up with the competition. I've seen interviews with some that say they don't watch many newer cartoons.
Nah, she had something to prove. This makes The Loud House look like The Problem Solverz.
@@Urmumlel7025 I saw the first episode. It was ok but too similar to Loud House.
@@Urmumlel7025 I still think they should have went back to the drawing board. Or maybe they were purposely copying Loud House because its successful.
@@Urmumlel7025is that a problem
@@icecreamhero2375maybe that
Fans: (have valid concerns about the stereotypes)
Myrna Velasco: You're all just haters!
"Fans"? The people who got mad at Primos were the usual internet sociopaths who make unhinged claims to try and ruin shows before they premiered. Myrna said nothing wrong and she was right to call them out because every time these "people" out of their caves they cause enough controversy to delay or cancel Disney shows.
Hoo boy
Primos United Both Of the Us brands of right wing in Hatred,Liberals,and Theocrats. Please do not break the alliance. I’m still going to watch the show but I need someone to apoligize for Vagina being the name of the baby.
You do realize that "Cuquita" is an actual nickname found in Mexico, right? The wife of popular singer Vicentes Fernadez was often referred to as "Dona Cuquita."
By that logic, no one called Richard can be referred to as "Dick" anymore because "Dick" is also the informal way to reference the male's reproduction organ.
A lot of words to describe beanmouth slop that’s probably getting cancelled in a year
It's 2024 and you're still using that word to describe artstyles you don't like...
It’s 2024 and they are making stuff with that style I don’t like
@@Funni-guy99 Probably because "bean mouth shows" seldom actually share animation styles.
Everyone's trying to make this into some deep discourse but no one's actually talking about the show itself!
I hate Primos because it's cringe and honestly I don't like it!
Not going to go Velma hater here but I don't understand why people like Primos.
I hate it like most people before the show premiered and if Primos got cancelled like with Velma I would be happy but hope the people involved work on something better.
Nah, it's pretty decent show. Not mindblowing, but as a Mexican-American, I couldn't help to enjoy certain things, like references to the iconic Latin American hero Chespirito, and the Halloween episode had some solid bits revolving around the Grandma character
Is the show really *that* bad? Sheesh!
@@starlight9517 Not really. Most hate to it is overblown.
ya the main reason poeple didnt like the show was becouse one of the voice acters was doing what poeple in hollywood do be out of touch
@@extrahistory8956 I agree with you. The show does get a lot of unnecessary hate. But I was referring to the original poster, who claimed they would be "happy" if the show got canceled. I only asked because, to me, it felt a little rude for them to say that.
You guys are too apologist for mediorce trash
This is like that old family guy joke “dude why are you trying to make hitter work?”
Dude did you compare this show to hitler
@@correction64gay74makes as much sense as comparing it to a fucking jeep
no uh no it's not the Same thing at all
@@correction64gay74 why? Because my comparison had a point, and wacky Delhi’s was a “HAHA GOTCHA”
@@AGenerousLove you are very peculiar