Same here, but new folks joining this cult need to see this. Back when I was looking to build my very first Pc, User Benchmark was my first Google result so I went there and read all this nonsense very confused. A friend told me to ignore it and thankfully I did
@@Zamoxi I just go to every YT channel and check benchmarks. I own a 5800X and a 7900XTX so I do a test in my PC to get a reference and see if the result they get is similar or equal, based on That I can tell if it's legit or not
lol userbenchmark looks like its run by conspiracy theorists nutjobs who think jensen, musk and trump are gods among men. Just pathetic AF human beings
I'll always be glad that passmark was the top result when I didn't know much about pc hardware and I was looking for benchmarks. By the time i came across userbenchmark I already knew I was in presence of BS.
Hahaha I didn't know about userbenchmark until after I built my PC, ran their tests got told my computer was faster than 87% of benchmarks on the site and then died laughing reading the "review" excerpts about my AMD hardware.
unfortunately it was a force the in monopolization of nvidia. Anyone doing a google search comparing AMD vs nvidia gpus got redirected to userbench as ultimate proof
When Intel were first to market with AVX they put 50% of their score weight on AVX performance. When AMD kicked Intel's butt in AVX performance they immediately removed AVX from their test suite "because only extremely rare professional packages use AVX so it's of no importance to consumers"... Except of cause that most modern game engines use AVX in some capacity because it's really useful for processing geometry data. TL;DR: AMD existing is personal to the dorks at userbenchmarks.
@marsovac nah, most likely just fanboyism. Check our wcctech comments and you'll see people calling each company childish names like "Shintel", "Ngreedia" or calling people "AMDumbs". Each company has fanboys (though AMD has arguably the most of all; probably because of the goodwill they've earned in prior years).
Seriously as someone whos always looking for the best price to performance (which brings me to amd) i always used to recommended this site to friends until i read one of the "conclusions" once never used the site again now im recommending everyone to stop using it or to never start using it
UBM is a horrible misguided informercial for intel/nvidia. Amazing what buying a company can do. UBM rants about everysingle thing amd makes, even when 98% of the world raves about the 5800x3d and 7800x3d, UBM and his weirdo freak bias says they are trash lol
@@danielowentech So where was the " so dangerous part "-I must of skipped over it - Can't start the show with that and not cover it- I'm calling bull sh*t on it
They're literally giving bs justifications and reasons on their website to why EVERYONE in the PC gaming world is against them*, like "the whole world is stupid but not us we are definitely not biased against AMD 😊"
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP People buy CPUs for a wide range of use cases. Saying one maker is "better" than another is far too sweeping a generalization to be true.
Cause people click on it, the more clicks it gets the higher it shows on search results, the problem is 90%+ of those clicks are from people normies or new builders that don't know the site is 100% misinformation.
@@godnamedtay stop googling your own website to see how people react to you trash. Shut it down idiot, your website is the laughing stock of the pc community.
Those lines you opened with are... legitimately insane and genuinely very harmful to the PC gaming space. This website needs to be shut down or reformed. They are completely delusional.
As much as I find their misinformation and clear crazy bias objectionable, the cure for false speech is truth. Censorship is horrid. Now If you said more warnings need to be made to tell folk about how messed up they are, that I agree with.
They've been doing this (aka malding) since ryzen came out, probably even before that, although that's when i took notice. I doubt they will be forced to close anytime soon.
@@kaseyboles30 There are too many Random ppl out there you will never Reach that will make a Random Search and this Site will show up. They will run with it and not buy an AMD CPU because its terrible.
Versus and CPUbenchmark are both very similar to UserBenchmark. I use those, instead. Both tend to show up in google results when you search one CPU vs another. You just have to scroll down the results a little further.
There's Versus and CPUBenchmark. They have similar data, though it's maybe not laid out as well. They usually show up in the top 15 or so results when you search one CPU versus another, just lower than UserBenchmark, obviously.
Money, you can promote your website on google with money. It's not like Intel and nVidia don't do that, heck they have been to court for such practise and get slapped a relatively small fine that's peanuts to these companies. E.g Intel for their anti competition practices got fined $1.3 billion they protested it several times and ended up paying only $300 million. With this sort of crap and the damage they caused $300 million is nothing! So much so, that Intel still do it today, because why not?
lol I built a PC for the first time this year and even I as a total novice researching parts thought that site was a bit fishy based on its numbers. Watching Daniel, Hardware Unboxed, and PC Builder got my build looking right tho.
Shoot you done em right at the time when I built mines I was watching a lot of jaytwocents scattervult and Linus all these pc guys are gems to the community
Reported to who? Afaik they are an independent site and there are truth police. Yes they're full of it and knowingly lying or delusional or a very long running joke. Delete sounds like censorship and cancel culture.
you know someone pays for this kind of crap, you know who is that compant¿y, you know how they operate, they sell snake oil report them is a waste of time.
I was that person. I used user benchmark when I first started planning out my build. It was initially a intel 12th gen i5 with a 3070ti. Then I started watching reviews on UA-cam,especially from the YT channel "Ancient Gameplays" who first clued me into user benchmark bullshit. Then I started watching gamers nexus and hardware unboxed. Ended up finally with a all AMD build 1 yr later with a r5 7600x and a rx6800xt.
It doesn’t matter you like intel or amd, what matters is we can’t lie ourselves if other brands has better performance since it only brings goods to market, industry, and us customers.
@@Open6a-fx4qf Yeah exactly, I don't have any brand loyalty towards any of the mega tech companies, at the end of the day they're all there to screw you up. What matters is the price and the performance (for things important to you). Thats it.
@@andersjjensen Haha yeah, tell me about it. Fr tho I had intel 12th gen in my PC list for a long time because the whole system was cheaper than ryzen 7000. The switch to AM5 was only a few weeks before purchase because I decided I rather have a system that can use the X3D chips so I can upgrade in the future.
UserBenchmark is like a Reddit moderator's dream review site. The smugness, the reaching, the bloat of useless information, it's just a Reddit replier.
Honestly I've thought for a long time that Valve ought to try their hand at a hardware comparison system like this integrated into Steam. Have participation be opt-in and anonymous, obviously, but the amount of per-game performance data across every hardware combination imaginable that they could potentially compile and make available would be ridiculous; and make sites like UserBenchmark irrelevant almost immediately. Better still, developers could utilize it to better identify and address unexpected issues with very specific configurations they couldn't test internally, and the "minimum/recommended specs" section of a game's store page could update over time to reflect the performance of actual players; maybe even giving a rough performance estimate based on your own exact system, further incentivizing devs to take optimization seriously. Would be a TON of work on Valve's end of course, but I suspect they could pull it off better and more easily than basically anyone if they wanted to.
Yeah, I was hearing some people discuss building a PC before a college lecture, and they were talking about how they were using UserBenchmark to figure out which CPU to get. I didn't know any of those guys and didn't chime in, but agree that it is a big problem and a lot of normies (aka people who aren't weird and play pc part picker simulator 10 hours per day) are probably ending up there instead of good resources.
I just replied to a comment up here that pc parts picker removed all AM4 parts from UK and Ireland websites. even though I played with it Friday and found extremely cheap config for a 5700x3D based platform I couldn't repeat it Saturday. it was just gone. then I tried amazon UK and it was still there as #1 best selling CPU. weirdly though all of the intel 11th and 12th gen is still listed.
@@syncmonismIntel generally seems to want nothing to do with them, they've neglected to sponsor them this entire time. Intel isn't always the most honest (neither is the competition) but they don't want to be associated with lunacy either.
To those asking how, there are a few ways. I’ve actually just considered adding it to my PiHole, but various web browsers (and even some routers, IIRC) have black lists for websites.
Gonna be honest, I hate the fact that UA-camrs have to do stupid faces for thumbnails cause of the algorithm, but "concerned Daniel face" is just hilarious to look at lol.
The worst offender is that PC Centric UA-camr from the UK. OMG he's annoying and has the most annoying thumbnails. In every Thumbnail he looks like a overly forced smiling Where's Waldo.
@@_jn0298 DeArrow also lets users submit custom titles for videos to make them less clickbaity and more descriptive together with picking a frame for the thumbnail, i definitely clicked on some videos i wouldn't have otherwise thanks to that
This site should be labeled as actual misinformation and EXCLUDED from any search. This word is so overused nowdays especially if you are simply with disagreement with someone but this time it's the real deal.
@@darudesandstorm7002 they’ve always been in demand though that’s my point. I think it doesn’t help that intel is completely fucking the turkey on their chips lately as well
Same here bro. I always go looking elsewhere for my GPU comparisons. I want an actual valid comparison so I can make a good judgement not based on bullshi7.
According to userbenchmar you should get a 9700k instead of 7800x 3d. It scores more old points and the x3d V cache is powered by AMD's evil and arrogance.
Depends on what you need, doesn’t it? If you’re thinking about updating cpu with existing socket or ripping everything out for an all-new amd-based pc, maybe that is a better choice.
@@TheAtomicSpoon Well you shouldn't do it, you should get a 4th gen Intel since it's older. The 9800x3d is also too new, you gotta let it grow up first.
I remember briefly regretting my decision to get a Ryzen 5 3600 over an Intel Core i5-9400F when I checked this site, before I knew how insane it was. To this day I'm still using AM4, with the 3600 serving me well for a few years before being succeeded by a 5600X3D.
Even official Intel PR/marketing and community managing teams cut off owner of userbenchmark, he apparently got banned everywhere long time ago. That guy is legit mentally ill lmao hes not even Intel shill dudes just a weirdo with insanely deep hate towards AMD for some reason.
- First non-video result on google - "we are not paying to be heard/visible!" Worst part is, market share (Intel/AMD/Nvidia) results may be strongly connected to this page.
Me I'm new to building pc built my first one this year I didn't know they wasn't good doesn't help its the top search result when asking about what is the performance difference between 2 parts
Oh, I expect there are a LOT of people who don't realize how tremendously biased UserBenchmark is against AMD. I honest-to-god had no idea how biased UserBenchmark was (used it for years as a way to define how "good" my computer was), until I decided to replace one of my very old intel computers by building one that had a Ryzen 3600 CPU. Mind, I'd been periodically building my own PC's for years by then. The numbers I got for my Ryzen build, according to UserBenchmark, were so insanely awful, even my amateur behind knew something was "off" about them. Checked around at that point, and finally realized that UserBenchmark had a serious bias against AMD and Ryzen products, and I haven't trusted them since. But that was years after I began putting together my own computers, which had always been Intel/Nvidia builds.
Cause they don't want to sit and watch a 10 min video. They click the first Google result, see the numbers and fancy graphs ("oh the 13600k is better than the 7800x3d, cool") close the browser, they are done.
Some websites are very reputable. Anandtech was great, but it's shutting down. You can still access previously published articles from it though. It's a fantastic resource. Techpowerup is pretty good. This channel often uses Techpowerup data for reference.
It did not take me long after reading the comments in that website a while ago to realize a certain level of what I perceive as bias (to be polite) integral to the website. Certainly avoid it entirely if you are looking into PCs. 110% agree with Mr Owen on this topic. Great to see someone pointing out one of the pitfalls out there for those looking to build a system or evaluate component purchases.
Intel got rectum reamed really really badly in an FTC anti-trust lawsuit about 20 years ago, precisely on the grounds of manipulating the benchmark software used by a popular review site (the site was partly owned by Intel via shell companies). Intel was forced to write "Benchmarks are not indicative of real world performance and may be skewed by choice of compiler vendor for the benchmark in question" (or some such) in fairly large letters at the bottom of every single marketing slide featuring software for 15 years straight. Previously Intel sold compiler licenses to everyone.... after that shit show Microsoft scooped up that market. TL;DR: Intel still has nightmares about about it, which is why they avoid UB like the plague. They block them on all their community pages, and I wouldn't be surprised if their e-mail server automatically bounce every e-mail from them with an error message. And I say this as an AMD "fanboi".
@andersjjensen That's not how any of that works. The ruling class have had decades to figure out ways to cover their traces when it comes to spending money on influencing public opinion.
Enjoyed the content of the video, but if your main reason of releasing this is to "Inform people about it" please consider putting the topic SOMEWHERE in your title or thumbnail. I get playing the algo game but not including the content of your information in either place and claiming to want to inform people about this sits oddly. It could be as simple as putting "Userbenchmark" anywhere in the thumbnail instead of just generic flames.
as someone who uses the DeArrow extension, I did not even notice it! they automatically change the titles to include the relevant information! One of the best extensions, along with sponsorblock, and untrap for youtube!! big recommend!
Thank you for this I never knew that every time I searched a comparison two parts user benchmark pops up and I always use it because I didn't know they were biased thank you.
When you see that happen, click the option button next to the result and write the complaint yourself. It's already been working to some extent because it now lists the site as controversial and is no longer the top result for me.
just a monetized grasp for more influencer $$ but not from a youtube platform relevancy thanks daniel you have the focus of what is needed for a pc's components
I think market share can be good to consider. It shows you how other people are making decisions about the product and it also can influence things like the level of support and compatibility associated with that product. I think generally, I’d prefer to buy a CPU with more market share where a given price to performance ratio is pretty much the same. You could make a similar argument about the age of a product as an indicator for its support lifetime and how long it will be relevant for. These points of comparison make a lot more sense when comparing between different generations of processors. No excuses for that written bile at the start though.
I used User Benchmark to help me purchase my new PC for its graphics card. I also used your video on Black Myth Wukong. I also used other videos, but thank you for being reputable for the gaming community members. If User Benchmark is truly this bad, then a class action lawsuit is not too far behind. I wish Game Debate was still running. I really liked them and their community. It was built to help, remove unwanted comments, and was surrounded by people who knew what they were talking about. It then just stopped a couple years ago.
Early in learning about pcs I always used user benchmark. Then, after comparing cpu and gpu benchmarks from youtubers like you, I noticed a big discrepancy. Love to see videos like this. I felt discouraged after my first build being ryzen and looking at their comparisons. Great video my doooooood!
The most infuriating thing is that UserBenchmark positions themselves as “Users vs Corporations” when it’s just against one. They have no qualms with Intel, they’re on moderate terms with Nvidia, and then they have a death wish for AMD.
Ha! I expected a talk about how bad it is to pair entry level GPUs with a 7800X3D, not another UserBenchmark roast. But your voice-over was hilarious. 😋
I'm actually glad you made this. I've used it a lot but never really looked into it. i saw the bias in the conclusions. I assumed because of the name the numbers where based on the user bench marks. so i thought as long as i just look at the numbers i'm good. never thought to see if they where injecting useless metrics to skew the results. like really age, market share, user ratings, who cares show me the performance. some results i knew where off but just didn't think nafariously so
This was called out ages ago, what's funny is that multiple youtube channels talked about this, and that 7800X3D "totally unbiased review" is still there. New people building their very first PC should/must be aware of this maidenless behavior.
Doing hardware for years, following reputable testing sources as Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, etc I wasn't unaware of UserBenchmarks being this. Moreover, I don't remember these "Why does UserBenchmark have a bad reputation on reddit?" questions just below header or these attacks on AMD in every conclusion. That's a real shame, website was quite informative and easy to use.
What's even worse is that it's not even free anymore, to even attempt the basic benchmark it say's you now need to upgrade to premium which is a bummer.
I trusted UserBenchmarks for a long while now. And very recently, I compared those two CPUs and read that exact same conclusion on the 7800X3d and was like, "wow, did they write this or did they pull this from somewhere else?" Was kinda surprised to see such bias on their page.
imagine a site like this but where you could uncheck checkboxes that you dont want to be considered in the comparison, for example. "CPU A" vs "CPU B", "CPU A" has better power consumption, you uncheck the checkbox for power consumption if you dont care abou tit, and now it will compare the CPUs without taking Power consumption into account. That would be better at least, and more transparent what goes into the results and waht not. maybe even show the weight of each category.
The reason why Userbenchmarks hates 7800x3d and prefers 14700k is 7800x3 = 23400 and 14700k is same as 14700000 so bigger number means better is their most advanced test.
I tried it out after years and it has become a sh*t show with that cheesy game in the beginning for the free version. Back in the day I was helping out a clan and sometimes online troubleshooting their PCs and userbenchmark was nifty because the other guy could run it and send you the link to the results and you could see what component was the problem, if the PC was complete trash or if he just had too many background tasks running. Well, these times are over. RIP Userbenchmark.
I got to admit, I haven fallen into their trap in the past. But then, after I started viewing videos like yours, Jay's or from other independent reviewers, I started wondering what these guys are talking about. Sad thing is that, in the grand scheme of things, still many people will take a look at this website and follow their "recommendations". Still, thank you for your contribution to the "cleanliness" of internet data. Cheers
Their writing is so biased, that it's impossible to take them seriously. If you just look at their numbers, like which cpu has a fater single core speed, that has at least internal validity, but you can't trust their rankings because you can find examples where a cpu wins in every core speed category test they have and still be ranked bellow a slower CPU because of their weird shit.
The only reason why I can think of age being taken into account is mainly because it has better driver support. Even if they decided to make a refresh, the refresh will usually have better drivers and better long-term support. But in real world scenarios that will only gain you about 5% better performance and maybe 10% better stability. Claiming it will perform 30% better is misleading.
Yeah, I found myself on user benchmark when looking for what graphics card to buy. Just like in this video, I found myself reading a huge block of text that seemed to contradict itself of absolutely belittle the part I was looking to buy like it was personal or something. 😂 Then I scrolled back up and saw the thing about “Why do UA-camrs not promote us?” and put the pieces things together lol
Common sense when building PC: 1. If PSU is rated higher than 750W, almost certainly something is really screwed here. 2. If peak power usage in full load is higher than 50% of PSU, there is high probability that short term currents cause instability. There is also then less headroom when PSU output is lower when it is aged. So lets try UserBenchmark is it useful.... And it looks like it is useless.
"Editorial bias" Understatement much? Your right on with the market share point, use case matters. UBM seems to be mostly gaming focused, but if my use case is not gaming, none of that matters. If I'm building a office system, its not going to matter that the CPU I get is some little 3-4 gen old quad core if all I'm doing is checking emails and watching cat videos. Likewise on the other side, if I'm building a render rig, current gen CPU with a core count of Yes because rendering will be after more cores. Is it going to matter that 0% of people gaming are using that CPU? And now for the fun bit, what happens when I need to compare the IPC uplift between a 32 core last gen vs 24 core current gen. UBM is banned or at least auto modded on Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and quite a few building subs.
I never use userbench marks. They've always seem to have biased results. I prefer amalgamating several different reviews and performance numbers, then making a decision.
I hate being reminded that UserBenchmark exists.
Same! This stuff is useful for people that don't know how that site operates. But if you know then it just ruins to be reminded they exist lol
Same here, but new folks joining this cult need to see this. Back when I was looking to build my very first Pc, User Benchmark was my first Google result so I went there and read all this nonsense very confused. A friend told me to ignore it and thankfully I did
@@AndreyStevn what do you use to compare parts that is better than user benchmark?
@@Zamoxi I just go to every YT channel and check benchmarks. I own a 5800X and a 7900XTX so I do a test in my PC to get a reference and see if the result they get is similar or equal, based on That I can tell if it's legit or not
Jayze2cents, GamersNexas, Hardware Unboxed 👍👍@@Zamoxi
UserBenchmark lives on a constant April Fools status... Shame
lol userbenchmark looks like its run by conspiracy theorists nutjobs who think jensen, musk and trump are gods among men. Just pathetic AF human beings
I'll always be glad that passmark was the top result when I didn't know much about pc hardware and I was looking for benchmarks. By the time i came across userbenchmark I already knew I was in presence of BS.
Hahaha I didn't know about userbenchmark until after I built my PC, ran their tests got told my computer was faster than 87% of benchmarks on the site and then died laughing reading the "review" excerpts about my AMD hardware.
We've been joking about for years, but we can't have a system comparison thread up anymore using their site, it's lost credibility.
unfortunately it was a force the in monopolization of nvidia. Anyone doing a google search comparing AMD vs nvidia gpus got redirected to userbench as ultimate proof
The way this person wrote about the 7800X3D, one might think the CPU broke into his house and ate his cat. That was PERSONAL😂
Lisa Su personally came over and kicked their dog in the front yard.
When Intel were first to market with AVX they put 50% of their score weight on AVX performance. When AMD kicked Intel's butt in AVX performance they immediately removed AVX from their test suite "because only extremely rare professional packages use AVX so it's of no importance to consumers"... Except of cause that most modern game engines use AVX in some capacity because it's really useful for processing geometry data.
TL;DR: AMD existing is personal to the dorks at userbenchmarks.
Their review for the 5800x3d is nearly word-for-word identical, they just changed 5 to 7 😂
You mean "One of his cats," I'm sure. 😂
Deeply personal
It’s so sad that the owner of this site is a grown man fanboying for bloody tech corporations
more like just hating on amd
@@Fr33mx or there in money involved, or both, or all three
@marsovac nah, most likely just fanboyism. Check our wcctech comments and you'll see people calling each company childish names like "Shintel", "Ngreedia" or calling people "AMDumbs". Each company has fanboys (though AMD has arguably the most of all; probably because of the goodwill they've earned in prior years).
Not a 'grown man' but an overgrown child.
abuserbenchmark
UserBenchmark's rants about some components, almost always AMD, killed their credibility with me LONG ago.
UserBenchmark is the definition of unvoluntary satire.
Seriously as someone whos always looking for the best price to performance (which brings me to amd) i always used to recommended this site to friends until i read one of the "conclusions" once never used the site again
now im recommending everyone to stop using it or to never start using it
UBM is a horrible misguided informercial for intel/nvidia. Amazing what buying a company can do. UBM rants about everysingle thing amd makes, even when 98% of the world raves about the 5800x3d and 7800x3d, UBM and his weirdo freak bias says they are trash lol
DANIEL, ARE YOU PART OF THE TOP TIER MARKETING MACHINE!!!??? 🤣🤣🤣
Nope, just punishing them for not paying me to promote their site of course
yup
AMD - Advanced Marketing Daniel
@@danielowentech So where was the " so dangerous part "-I must of skipped over it - Can't start the show with that and not cover it- I'm calling bull sh*t on it
@@minn5459 lmao
They're literally giving bs justifications and reasons on their website to why EVERYONE in the PC gaming world is against them*, like "the whole world is stupid but not us we are definitely not biased against AMD 😊"
A wise man once said, "If you look at the world and think everyone but you is crazy, it's not everyone else. It's you."
They are so deep in their own ass that I bet they would find a reason why Celeron 450MHz is better than 7800X3D.
Intel is still better than amd... People are indeed paid to promote amd
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP🤣🤣🤣
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP People buy CPUs for a wide range of use cases. Saying one maker is "better" than another is far too sweeping a generalization to be true.
How do they show up so high on google search results? Their bias is borderline satire.
Cause people click on it, the more clicks it gets the higher it shows on search results, the problem is 90%+ of those clicks are from people normies or new builders that don't know the site is 100% misinformation.
They pay to be on top. It's no secret.
Nearly all top spots are paid. No difference than brands paying for the ideal shelf in grocery stores
@@VizyouallI knew they was I'm sure someone reported this but can't find it. Also they ask for a monthly fee
Cause google is corrupted 🫵🏿
Literally propaganda. Incredible.
As opposed to every single gaming pc oriented UA-camr channel out there??? 🤨
@@godnamedtay usermenchbark alt?
@@godnamedtay stop googling your own website to see how people react to you trash. Shut it down idiot, your website is the laughing stock of the pc community.
@@whentheyD 100%
@@godnamedtay so stating facts is propaganda for you ?
Those lines you opened with are... legitimately insane and genuinely very harmful to the PC gaming space. This website needs to be shut down or reformed. They are completely delusional.
As much as I find their misinformation and clear crazy bias objectionable, the cure for false speech is truth. Censorship is horrid. Now If you said more warnings need to be made to tell folk about how messed up they are, that I agree with.
They've been doing this (aka malding) since ryzen came out, probably even before that, although that's when i took notice.
I doubt they will be forced to close anytime soon.
”needs to be shut down” 😂😂😂😂 wtf does this even mean?
@@subzero-ku2wx It means the Site should not exist. Be gone.
@@kaseyboles30 There are too many Random ppl out there you will never Reach that will make a Random Search and this Site will show up.
They will run with it and not buy an AMD CPU because its terrible.
It's a bummer too, as it would be genuinely useful to have a non biased version of a site like User Benchmark.
Passmark, it's a lot less intuitive and uglier but at least their data seems to be unbiased.
Versus and CPUbenchmark are both very similar to UserBenchmark. I use those, instead. Both tend to show up in google results when you search one CPU vs another. You just have to scroll down the results a little further.
There's Versus and CPUBenchmark. They have similar data, though it's maybe not laid out as well. They usually show up in the top 15 or so results when you search one CPU versus another, just lower than UserBenchmark, obviously.
I like their interface which is pretty good. An unbiased site with this interface would be great to have.
Versus and CPUBenchmark don't have as nice of interfaces, but have similar side-by-side comparisons. They tend to show up in results a little lower.
Userbenchmark is a joke
more of a joke those who actually think UB is right, sadly.
It baffles me how google allows this crap to be number one hit after all these years.
Yeah... live long enough to be the villain I guess... "Don't be evil" was their former motto, then "Alphabet" en$hittification happened.
Their numbers are correct, tf u talking about
@@godnamedtay Yeah, a 7900 GRE is for sure only 2% faster than a 4070
Money, you can promote your website on google with money. It's not like Intel and nVidia don't do that, heck they have been to court for such practise and get slapped a relatively small fine that's peanuts to these companies. E.g Intel for their anti competition practices got fined $1.3 billion they protested it several times and ended up paying only $300 million. With this sort of crap and the damage they caused $300 million is nothing! So much so, that Intel still do it today, because why not?
People still trust Google?
lol I built a PC for the first time this year and even I as a total novice researching parts thought that site was a bit fishy based on its numbers. Watching Daniel, Hardware Unboxed, and PC Builder got my build looking right tho.
Shoot you done em right at the time when I built mines I was watching a lot of jaytwocents scattervult and Linus all these pc guys are gems to the community
this site needs to be reported and deleted.
Reported to who? Afaik they are an independent site and there are truth police. Yes they're full of it and knowingly lying or delusional or a very long running joke. Delete sounds like censorship and cancel culture.
you know someone pays for this kind of crap, you know who is that compant¿y, you know how they operate, they sell snake oil
report them is a waste of time.
@@arch1107😂
I was that person. I used user benchmark when I first started planning out my build. It was initially a intel 12th gen i5 with a 3070ti.
Then I started watching reviews on UA-cam,especially from the YT channel "Ancient Gameplays" who first clued me into user benchmark bullshit. Then I started watching gamers nexus and hardware unboxed.
Ended up finally with a all AMD build 1 yr later with a r5 7600x and a rx6800xt.
You ended up with all the bang for the buck while staying below "an actual furnace" in power consumption.
It doesn’t matter you like intel or amd, what matters is we can’t lie ourselves if other brands has better performance since it only brings goods to market, industry, and us customers.
the radeon 6800s are extremely good value and they run everything without breaking a sweat. Good choice
@@Open6a-fx4qf Yeah exactly, I don't have any brand loyalty towards any of the mega tech companies, at the end of the day they're all there to screw you up. What matters is the price and the performance (for things important to you). Thats it.
@@andersjjensen Haha yeah, tell me about it.
Fr tho I had intel 12th gen in my PC list for a long time because the whole system was cheaper than ryzen 7000. The switch to AM5 was only a few weeks before purchase because I decided I rather have a system that can use the X3D chips so I can upgrade in the future.
Userbenchmark has been meme for years, Every half competent guy is using it to laugh hard of this shill and cheater.
Except he's probably making money off of ad revenues due to the listing on google and such.
UserBenchmark is like a Reddit moderator's dream review site. The smugness, the reaching, the bloat of useless information, it's just a Reddit replier.
The faces you make while reading the blog at the start is hilarious and almost spill my coffee.
Fun fact, even Intel hates user benchmark and refuses to give them review samples of their CPUs
Why do they do this?
Oh my god! AMD even paid off intel???????? /s
UB was banned on the Intel subreddit before the AMD one. Lol.
I like the idea of user benchmark, but i wish someone would create a website that does what it does without the crazy whack biases.
@@RicochetForce No, TPU doesn't have nearly the user submitted database, and is still subject to editorial issues (just not nearly as bad)
@@MrKlaatu06 Anand tech had the actual professionals doing the reviews. But that gem of a resource is also closed.
You mean like Passmark, 3D Mark, Furmark and TechPowerup?
Honestly I've thought for a long time that Valve ought to try their hand at a hardware comparison system like this integrated into Steam.
Have participation be opt-in and anonymous, obviously, but the amount of per-game performance data across every hardware combination imaginable that they could potentially compile and make available would be ridiculous; and make sites like UserBenchmark irrelevant almost immediately. Better still, developers could utilize it to better identify and address unexpected issues with very specific configurations they couldn't test internally, and the "minimum/recommended specs" section of a game's store page could update over time to reflect the performance of actual players; maybe even giving a rough performance estimate based on your own exact system, further incentivizing devs to take optimization seriously.
Would be a TON of work on Valve's end of course, but I suspect they could pull it off better and more easily than basically anyone if they wanted to.
Yeah, I was hearing some people discuss building a PC before a college lecture, and they were talking about how they were using UserBenchmark to figure out which CPU to get. I didn't know any of those guys and didn't chime in, but agree that it is a big problem and a lot of normies (aka people who aren't weird and play pc part picker simulator 10 hours per day) are probably ending up there instead of good resources.
I just replied to a comment up here that pc parts picker removed all AM4 parts from UK and Ireland websites. even though I played with it Friday and found extremely cheap config for a 5700x3D based platform I couldn't repeat it Saturday. it was just gone. then I tried amazon UK and it was still there as #1 best selling CPU. weirdly though all of the intel 11th and 12th gen is still listed.
I wonder why they don't just say 14700 > 7800 therefore the 14700k is better because maths
🤣
the new core ultra stuff has smaller number 🫡
Yes, Product name number benchmark is being added in the next update to User benchmark site.
Steve would agree on that!
14700 is clearly 88% better by that metric. We need to contact someone from the website to include this metric as well.
Userbenchmark has been like that for years. It's so strange. What did AMD do to them?
I think Userbenchmark might actually be owned by Intel, or owned by a company which Intel has part ownership of, or something like that.
They had a stroke since Ryzen release I imagine lol
@@syncmonismIntel generally seems to want nothing to do with them, they've neglected to sponsor them this entire time. Intel isn't always the most honest (neither is the competition) but they don't want to be associated with lunacy either.
you know who pays here, they sell snake oil too
@@IndyMiraaga a company who said that dell is trhe best friend money can buy will say whatever they can to keep this going
I had blocked that site from my browser years ago.
Hello could you tell how
Literally need it for every new gen that comes one to filter the result
How to block?
Can u enlighten all the viewers that come across ur comment?🫵🏿
To those asking how, there are a few ways. I’ve actually just considered adding it to my PiHole, but various web browsers (and even some routers, IIRC) have black lists for websites.
UserBenchmark is basically Homer Simpson meme come to life. "Boy... everyone is stupid except me!"
Gonna be honest, I hate the fact that UA-camrs have to do stupid faces for thumbnails cause of the algorithm, but "concerned Daniel face" is just hilarious to look at lol.
I got tired of it and installed an extension that just put a frame of the video, is called "Clickbait Remover for UA-cam"
The worst offender is that PC Centric UA-camr from the UK. OMG he's annoying and has the most annoying thumbnails. In every Thumbnail he looks like a overly forced smiling Where's Waldo.
@@_jn0298 DeArrow also lets users submit custom titles for videos to make them less clickbaity and more descriptive together with picking a frame for the thumbnail, i definitely clicked on some videos i wouldn't have otherwise thanks to that
This site should be labeled as actual misinformation and EXCLUDED from any search. This word is so overused nowdays especially if you are simply with disagreement with someone but this time it's the real deal.
The 7800x3d at one point being $300 and seeing it as a $500 chip is insane
Never heard of supply and demand?
Hot take. Supply and demand. And didn't they stop producing it?? I heard.
stock is drying up making way for the 9800X3D or that's what is being said at the moment.
@@onomatopoeia162003 Only the 5800X3D
@@darudesandstorm7002 they’ve always been in demand though that’s my point. I think it doesn’t help that intel is completely fucking the turkey on their chips lately as well
About 10 years ago I went to that website and knew straightaway the numbers were all bs.
Same here bro. I always go looking elsewhere for my GPU comparisons. I want an actual valid comparison so I can make a good judgement not based on bullshi7.
As large as the PC gaming community is, it’s weird to me that there isn’t a single investigative journalist trying to find this guy for an interview.
According to userbenchmar you should get a 9700k instead of 7800x 3d. It scores more old points and the x3d V cache is powered by AMD's evil and arrogance.
No way! Isn't it 300% "more old" ?
@@Winnetou17 300% more refined, so it's better
Depends on what you need, doesn’t it? If you’re thinking about updating cpu with existing socket or ripping everything out for an all-new amd-based pc, maybe that is a better choice.
As someone with a 9700k looking at hopping to Ryzen , I find this amusing.
@@TheAtomicSpoon Well you shouldn't do it, you should get a 4th gen Intel since it's older. The 9800x3d is also too new, you gotta let it grow up first.
I remember briefly regretting my decision to get a Ryzen 5 3600 over an Intel Core i5-9400F when I checked this site, before I knew how insane it was. To this day I'm still using AM4, with the 3600 serving me well for a few years before being succeeded by a 5600X3D.
I believed Daniel was an evil overloard ,bent on destroying my childhood dreams.For at least 3 seconds.
Seems like they are intel fanboys who got burned from the intel chip frying situation
Nah, it's been there for a while.
paid out. if not it makes their foolishness more humiliating
Even official Intel PR/marketing and community managing teams cut off owner of userbenchmark, he apparently got banned everywhere long time ago. That guy is legit mentally ill lmao hes not even Intel shill dudes just a weirdo with insanely deep hate towards AMD for some reason.
@@doooodeh"Because AMD killed my grandma ok ?"
-this dude ig
@@ludwigvanbeethoven8164 100% paid off. no other explanation for it.
Once again here to request a look at the history of generational GPU price:performance improvement over the years 🙏
GPU price: performance improvement?
It's gotten worse.
Hardware unboxed basically already made that video. Although it was only about Nvidia GPUs.
@@HoneyTwee i wanted to comment that lol
- First non-video result on google
- "we are not paying to be heard/visible!"
Worst part is, market share (Intel/AMD/Nvidia) results may be strongly connected to this page.
user benchmarks are so bad, I didn't even have to go and see what people say about them, I myself realized the website is absolute shit.
I remember 2kliksphilip made a video on userbenchmark and what a clown show the reviews were. Funny to see they're still the same haha
UserBenchmark need to look at some benchmarks 🤣
that website is a joke, I don't think there is anyone left who doesn't know this.
There are. A lot . Normies and first timers think is an actual reputable review site, is a huge problem.
Me I'm new to building pc built my first one this year I didn't know they wasn't good doesn't help its the top search result when asking about what is the performance difference between 2 parts
I kinda did when buying my first laptop 3 years ago.
Oh, I expect there are a LOT of people who don't realize how tremendously biased UserBenchmark is against AMD.
I honest-to-god had no idea how biased UserBenchmark was (used it for years as a way to define how "good" my computer was), until I decided to replace one of my very old intel computers by building one that had a Ryzen 3600 CPU. Mind, I'd been periodically building my own PC's for years by then.
The numbers I got for my Ryzen build, according to UserBenchmark, were so insanely awful, even my amateur behind knew something was "off" about them. Checked around at that point, and finally realized that UserBenchmark had a serious bias against AMD and Ryzen products, and I haven't trusted them since.
But that was years after I began putting together my own computers, which had always been Intel/Nvidia builds.
I am always wary of the "The"
Never liked The. The is a bad guy.
Thanks for making us aware about this site. As someone new in the PC community, I have been using this site but not aware of their practices
They should add columns on how good looking was the box it comes in and how many bicep curls you can do with this specific hardware.
I am glad you are calling this site out. I personally do not use their rating system. They are clearly biased toward Intel/Nvidia
Hey user benchmark, Intel E cores are garbage mate.
you sound just as stupid as he does. Far from garbage
I'm so glad I didn't care about that shitty website before. I always watch videos for CPU and GPU comparison, at least 3 videos.
why would anybody trust some website over actual youtube videos showing you actual the gaming benchmarks for the part you want to buy?
Most don't know game benchmark videos are a thing.
Cause they don't want to sit and watch a 10 min video. They click the first Google result, see the numbers and fancy graphs ("oh the 13600k is better than the 7800x3d, cool") close the browser, they are done.
Some websites are very reputable. Anandtech was great, but it's shutting down. You can still access previously published articles from it though. It's a fantastic resource.
Techpowerup is pretty good. This channel often uses Techpowerup data for reference.
Best advice is to ALWAYS get ur performance data from Gamers Nexus. Thier charts show the cause ranked on every angle.
I agree man, userbenchmark is just a bunch of liars LMAO
That site should have been brought down years ago for diffamation.
But Daniel, how else will I know how much eFPS I'm getting?
It did not take me long after reading the comments in that website a while ago to realize a certain level of what I perceive as bias (to be polite) integral to the website. Certainly avoid it entirely if you are looking into PCs. 110% agree with Mr Owen on this topic. Great to see someone pointing out one of the pitfalls out there for those looking to build a system or evaluate component purchases.
UserBenchmark is Fox News of the computer enthusiast world.
more like CNN
@@gersongaete1574"No, this equally-biased source is the worse one!"
@@gersongaete1574CNN is bad. It’s not Fax news bad tho.
@@IndyMiraaga Insert Ground News ad here.
You get FOX News name outta your mouth!!! they don't deserve being equated with User BenchBork...
Man this site has somehow managed to get much worse since I last looked at it closely back around 2021.
Intel can't afford real writers anywhere so UserBenchmark is now written by chatgpt
I don't think chatgpt can be that unhinged lol
Intel got rectum reamed really really badly in an FTC anti-trust lawsuit about 20 years ago, precisely on the grounds of manipulating the benchmark software used by a popular review site (the site was partly owned by Intel via shell companies). Intel was forced to write "Benchmarks are not indicative of real world performance and may be skewed by choice of compiler vendor for the benchmark in question" (or some such) in fairly large letters at the bottom of every single marketing slide featuring software for 15 years straight. Previously Intel sold compiler licenses to everyone.... after that shit show Microsoft scooped up that market.
TL;DR: Intel still has nightmares about about it, which is why they avoid UB like the plague. They block them on all their community pages, and I wouldn't be surprised if their e-mail server automatically bounce every e-mail from them with an error message. And I say this as an AMD "fanboi".
@andersjjensen That's not how any of that works. The ruling class have had decades to figure out ways to cover their traces when it comes to spending money on influencing public opinion.
@@andersjjensen ofc they are behind UB. criminals like these big companies don't just "reform", they only learn to hide their tracks better.
It‘s really a shame, because the concept of the page really is great. Why do they ruin it with their BS?
Enjoyed the content of the video, but if your main reason of releasing this is to "Inform people about it" please consider putting the topic SOMEWHERE in your title or thumbnail.
I get playing the algo game but not including the content of your information in either place and claiming to want to inform people about this sits oddly. It could be as simple as putting "Userbenchmark" anywhere in the thumbnail instead of just generic flames.
as someone who uses the DeArrow extension, I did not even notice it! they automatically change the titles to include the relevant information! One of the best extensions, along with sponsorblock, and untrap for youtube!! big recommend!
Thank you for this I never knew that every time I searched a comparison two parts user benchmark pops up and I always use it because I didn't know they were biased thank you.
Where is the part that 14th gen is literally degrading itself to get parity on performance 😂
Thank you for calling them out, Gamers Nexus did the same thing a couple of years ago.
LoserBenchmark.
Thank you for the heads up Daniel and it's probably a good idea keep an eye open for misleading stuff in general for tech or life.
UserBenchmark is just The Onion for component reviews.
Google should do something about those search results, they have no business showing up first. Write them complaints
When you see that happen, click the option button next to the result and write the complaint yourself. It's already been working to some extent because it now lists the site as controversial and is no longer the top result for me.
@@Nareimooncatt I have written them more than once, I thought it didn`t work
0:44 in and i'am like WTF xD
just a monetized grasp for more influencer $$ but not from a youtube platform relevancy thanks daniel you have the focus of what is needed for a pc's components
UserBenchmark
kek
4:18 I think companies and websites may have other ways to get to the top of the google search results, besides relying on click count exclusively.
oh loserbenchmark. theyre useless lol
I think market share can be good to consider. It shows you how other people are making decisions about the product and it also can influence things like the level of support and compatibility associated with that product. I think generally, I’d prefer to buy a CPU with more market share where a given price to performance ratio is pretty much the same. You could make a similar argument about the age of a product as an indicator for its support lifetime and how long it will be relevant for. These points of comparison make a lot more sense when comparing between different generations of processors. No excuses for that written bile at the start though.
I used User Benchmark to help me purchase my new PC for its graphics card. I also used your video on Black Myth Wukong. I also used other videos, but thank you for being reputable for the gaming community members.
If User Benchmark is truly this bad, then a class action lawsuit is not too far behind. I wish Game Debate was still running. I really liked them and their community. It was built to help, remove unwanted comments, and was surrounded by people who knew what they were talking about. It then just stopped a couple years ago.
$480??? I’m so glad I upgraded 8 months ago.
Early in learning about pcs I always used user benchmark. Then, after comparing cpu and gpu benchmarks from youtubers like you, I noticed a big discrepancy. Love to see videos like this. I felt discouraged after my first build being ryzen and looking at their comparisons. Great video my doooooood!
You can tell that site owner is a few sandwiches short of a picnic just by looking at that animated gif from 1990s web design. Utter madlad.
The industry should come together and create a non biased version of user benchmark, and call it "true benchmark".
The most infuriating thing is that UserBenchmark positions themselves as “Users vs Corporations” when it’s just against one. They have no qualms with Intel, they’re on moderate terms with Nvidia, and then they have a death wish for AMD.
- Play video
- See the background
- Uncontrollable laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
User benchmark is to the PC world what quantum TV is to the TV one, a Fking joke
Ha! I expected a talk about how bad it is to pair entry level GPUs with a 7800X3D, not another UserBenchmark roast. But your voice-over was hilarious. 😋
I'm actually glad you made this. I've used it a lot but never really looked into it. i saw the bias in the conclusions. I assumed because of the name the numbers where based on the user bench marks. so i thought as long as i just look at the numbers i'm good. never thought to see if they where injecting useless metrics to skew the results. like really age, market share, user ratings, who cares show me the performance. some results i knew where off but just didn't think nafariously so
This was called out ages ago, what's funny is that multiple youtube channels talked about this, and that 7800X3D "totally unbiased review" is still there. New people building their very first PC should/must be aware of this maidenless behavior.
Doing hardware for years, following reputable testing sources as Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, etc I wasn't unaware of UserBenchmarks being this. Moreover, I don't remember these "Why does UserBenchmark have a bad reputation on reddit?" questions just below header or these attacks on AMD in every conclusion.
That's a real shame, website was quite informative and easy to use.
What's even worse is that it's not even free anymore, to even attempt the basic benchmark it say's you now need to upgrade to premium which is a bummer.
I trusted UserBenchmarks for a long while now. And very recently, I compared those two CPUs and read that exact same conclusion on the 7800X3d and was like, "wow, did they write this or did they pull this from somewhere else?" Was kinda surprised to see such bias on their page.
imagine a site like this but where you could uncheck checkboxes that you dont want to be considered in the comparison, for example.
"CPU A" vs "CPU B", "CPU A" has better power consumption, you uncheck the checkbox for power consumption if you dont care abou tit, and now it will compare the CPUs without taking Power consumption into account. That would be better at least, and more transparent what goes into the results and waht not. maybe even show the weight of each category.
The reason why Userbenchmarks hates 7800x3d and prefers 14700k is 7800x3 = 23400 and 14700k is same as 14700000 so bigger number means better is their most advanced test.
I tried it out after years and it has become a sh*t show with that cheesy game in the beginning for the free version. Back in the day I was helping out a clan and sometimes online troubleshooting their PCs and userbenchmark was nifty because the other guy could run it and send you the link to the results and you could see what component was the problem, if the PC was complete trash or if he just had too many background tasks running. Well, these times are over. RIP Userbenchmark.
Great video. I've heard other channels say not to use user benchmarks but never why. Super helpful
I got to admit, I haven fallen into their trap in the past. But then, after I started viewing videos like yours, Jay's or from other independent reviewers, I started wondering what these guys are talking about. Sad thing is that, in the grand scheme of things, still many people will take a look at this website and follow their "recommendations". Still, thank you for your contribution to the "cleanliness" of internet data. Cheers
Their writing is so biased, that it's impossible to take them seriously. If you just look at their numbers, like which cpu has a fater single core speed, that has at least internal validity, but you can't trust their rankings because you can find examples where a cpu wins in every core speed category test they have and still be ranked bellow a slower CPU because of their weird shit.
The only reason why I can think of age being taken into account is mainly because it has better driver support. Even if they decided to make a refresh, the refresh will usually have better drivers and better long-term support. But in real world scenarios that will only gain you about 5% better performance and maybe 10% better stability. Claiming it will perform 30% better is misleading.
Yeah, I found myself on user benchmark when looking for what graphics card to buy. Just like in this video, I found myself reading a huge block of text that seemed to contradict itself of absolutely belittle the part I was looking to buy like it was personal or something. 😂
Then I scrolled back up and saw the thing about “Why do UA-camrs not promote us?” and put the pieces things together lol
Common sense when building PC:
1. If PSU is rated higher than 750W, almost certainly something is really screwed here.
2. If peak power usage in full load is higher than 50% of PSU, there is high probability that short term currents cause instability. There is also then less headroom when PSU output is lower when it is aged.
So lets try UserBenchmark is it useful.... And it looks like it is useless.
that one dislike from userbenchmark
"Editorial bias"
Understatement much?
Your right on with the market share point, use case matters. UBM seems to be mostly gaming focused, but if my use case is not gaming, none of that matters. If I'm building a office system, its not going to matter that the CPU I get is some little 3-4 gen old quad core if all I'm doing is checking emails and watching cat videos. Likewise on the other side, if I'm building a render rig, current gen CPU with a core count of Yes because rendering will be after more cores. Is it going to matter that 0% of people gaming are using that CPU?
And now for the fun bit, what happens when I need to compare the IPC uplift between a 32 core last gen vs 24 core current gen.
UBM is banned or at least auto modded on Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and quite a few building subs.
Userwenchbark swears to God that a RTX 3050 is in the same league as the RX 6600, what an absolute joke xD
I was concerned when I saw the thumbnail until the first frame I saw UBM in the background. Instant relief
I never use userbench marks. They've always seem to have biased results. I prefer amalgamating several different reviews and performance numbers, then making a decision.
I'm so happy you brought this website up. They are insanely biased and inaccurate. Thank you. 👍😁