I'm laughing the hardest about how people told you guys that an hour was too long of a video to spend on reviewing one episode, so you spent three hours reviewing this one! Great discussion. Can't take how they bloodied Tom here.
Random Film Talk spends a movie's time reviewing a single episode and he is research-autopsy specific. People who invest the time and do the thorough job are awesome.
Big reveal if you watch Prime with the subtitles, there's a line with the dark wizard talking to his moth servants and he's off camera and it says [Blue Wizard]... Then in the next line where he speaks off camera it changes to [Dark wizard]. Someone forgot to change all the subtitles. Someone go check and show me I'm not going mad.
I ripped the subtitles out of an amazon rip from back when it originally dropped. Nothing in there about blue wizard that I can see. I watched on amazon too and didn't see it. 18-19 minute mark or so of Ep 2?
Also the exact opposite: Gandalf describes Tom as a "moss-gatherer" compared to his own "stone doomed to rolling". This parallel-world Tom says "Old Tom's a wanderer, not a warrior." We have barrow-'downs' that is a forested area, Ents of two identical sexes who are positively hasty… I recently had the ill fortune to read 'Fellowship of the King', the horrible (and I mean really horrible, too horrible even to be funny) fan-fiction 'sequel' to LotR that was the subject of some legal entanglements with Amazon a year or two back. A constant motif in that book is that everything you thought you knew about Tolkien's world was exactly wrong. Galadriel had affairs with Celebrimbor _and_ with Tar-Aldarion of Númenor (who is the actual father of Celebrian); Celebrian bore a half-orc son named 'Estel'; the wizard Alatar explains to Sam and Elanor that the first rings wrought in Eregion were not 'lesser' Rings, but were more powerful than the later Great Rings (Denethor and Saruman each had one); the big villain is Glorfindel, who was corrupted by Sauron (by jamming the One Ring onto his finger while was a prisoner) during the wars of the Last Alliance; Glorfindel reclaimed the Nine Rings, still potent, from the ruined Mordor where they were dropped when the One Ring was destroyed. I'm not making this up, you know. It's really, really bad. The author sued Amazon for plagiarism. He justly lost, but Amazon seems to think that it's clever to indulge in similar, if less ridiculous, contradictions to whatever you think you know about Tolkien's world. By the way, when did Stranger hear the name 'Sauron' that he utters when he talks to Bombadil? From the Acolytes last season?
There's something about fan fiction which isn't entirely benevolent. It's like the nurse in Stephen King's 'Misery'. There's obsession, but also ego and maybe even jealousy and resentment. Some superfans given the chance would break their beloved's creation.
I suspect a real fan would resist the temptation to "fix" their hero's work, the Misery analogy is bang on. If it were still legal I would find that "author" and demand satisfaction via duel for this slanderous treatment of Galadriel in particular
Not even the showrunners knows who the Stranger really is. They haven't decided, or at least they said that earlier...They think that's "delightful"... Nope. 😅
Sounds a bit like what they did with Rey in Disney Star Wars. Ridley let it slip that they kept on changing who her parents were until finally settling on palpatine. It's this mystery box writing style everyone from Bad Robot uses to try and keep people watching.
Tolkien's preface to The Adventures of Tom Bombadil footnote 1 says his name was given by Hobbits: "They [the Bucklanders] probably gave him this name (it is Bucklandish in form) to add to his many older ones". The Tolkien Reader
I've noticed that "Tim" basically has the inverse hair color of Saruman from PJ's trilogy (Saruman, white with some black in the beard, Tim, black with some white in the beard). I REALLY hope they make him Saruman so that we can watch the shills try and defend that decision
If they had to have Bombadil, why not have him save Elrond and company from the barrow wights through the power of song? Then teach them something about love and humility and joy?
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Its actually sad considering the huge potential LOTR has, but instead all we can do is to discuss, analyze and watch in awe at how bad this show actually is...
Yes! In regards to how the made the Stoor set, you guys are so correct, its exactly the same material they use at Themeparks to make their fake rocks, and that works for Themeparks but the stoors home look so fake, it took me right out of it. This show is so bad, and like with you guys im looking much more forward to picking it apart each week than watching it, and I really wanted to like it being a huge LOTR fan for decades.
Good job distinguishing different ways to key jangle or member berry that can honor the story or author vs. using it when you don't understand the story or worldview.
It's crazy that in this same episode, they had their versions of Galadriel and Elrond wander through the area where Bombadil is supposed to live, so they could have included him without breaking the lore and transplanting him to Rhun. But they just couldn't do it. They had to go out of their way to make it dumber.
Na, The blues were sent together, they did go east, one turned bad and set up magic cults, the other opposed him and was killed, and was sent back in a meteor (to a colony nitwits),.. simples! "The Stranger" does have a residual memory of the East, it's stars, of a need to go back there,.. he's totes been there WITH the Dark Wizard before. Also, the NazGals instantly refered to him as "THE Istari", so they must have known that there was possibly an Istari around, one they'd known before (cos their master just "killed" him!) I doubt they've spent all the aeons of M.E. rocking upto random people and assuming that they're AN Istari (there being only one in the entire history of M.E. so far)
29:00 I care! Goldberry's mother's river is the Withywindle. The show doesn't even know it's a river. EDIT: The scene in Fellowship has been compared to the River Windrush, a tributary of the Thames, specifically at Minster Lovell in Oxfordshire -- an idyllic picnic spot with a brown river flecked by golden willow-leaves.
Never thought we'd have a Steelers/Ersatz Tolkien mash-up, but we've got one here! But yeah, that drives me crazy! "TJ Watt is as good as anybody in the NFL in getting after the quarterback!" WHAT?!?!?! But the show drives me crazier . . .
12:30 At this point, they just have had Estrid be smashed deep into the rock, leaving an Estrid-shaped hole on the rock face, and then afterwards have her crawl out of that hole again.
On a totally sour note, Tom taps a vein of pre-Freudian word association begun by Edward Lear in his infamous poem "The Dong with a Luminous Nose". His very first words are Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! And don't get me on Tolkien and trees.
Professor Tolkien said that Bombadil serves no purpose to the story other than to be a diversion for the Hobbits on their journey. He first appeared in a 1934 poem along with Goldberry, Old Man Willow and the barrow-wight. Professor Tolkein stated, when pressed, that he included Tom Bombadil in the LOTR because he had already invented him and wanted an adventure on the way, but he was not an important person to the narrative, even if he did represent something which he ( Tolkien) thought important. He was an enigma.
Lore-wise, the two Istari here should be the Blue Wizards, but maybe that would make too much sense for the show. The show is either playing around with non-fans, making them believe these are Gandalf and Saruman, only to reveal that they are the Blues, or the show is playing with the book fans, doing the opposite of that. Either way, it's taking too long for the 'reveal' and being mysterious about it is meaningless to the narrative.
‘Who are you, Master?’ he asked. ‘Eh, what?’ said Tom sitting up, and his eyes glinting in the gloom. ‘Don’t you know my name yet?’ IN THE HOUSE OF TOM BOMBADIL
All I can figure about Bombadil: He’s trickster demon like Pan of Greek myth. And the Hobbits are cruel fairy type creatures-capricious and foolish. Dirty little sociopaths indeed.
Tom Bombadil I feel is synonymous with Tolkien himself. It's in his interest whatever drama happens happens. I think Tolkien only added him in so he could use him as a wildcard whenever things wouldn't pan out.
The character they portrayed as Isildur is one of the greatest atrocities of the show. they expect us to believe he is the Captain of the Numenorians and went on to cut THE ONE off The Black Hand?... What a Joke.
Oh, damn, i thoguht Dark Wizard would be Sauramon since he looks so much like him, but making him the Witch-King lets them pretend they're setting up the "It's my time now," from Return on of the King and breaks his staff. Hobo-Gandalf will break the Dark Wizard's staff and he'll go cry to Sauron and get a ring because of his hurt fifis.
No one dies from taking volcanos to the face or being thrown hundreds of feet in the air, meanwhile Bronwyn dies from an infection off screen i suppose 😆 The casting of the dark wizard, prosthetics and de-aging they do with every single LOTR character makes me certain it's meant to be Saruman. Also if the plan was to turn him into the witch king i don't understand why they wouldn't just give him a generic name, i understand he does not have a official name in any of the lore and that could support him being the witch king but still.
Guy's the videos are not to long..its amazing how you go through it step by step..its all total B.S. every single word they say in this show is complete nonsense and we all know it and you are bringing JRRT fan together with these videos
I am confused lol.. in season one, the Dark wizard 's moth Acolytes were looking for Sauron, and thought (not) Gandalf was Sauron..so was the Dark Wizard (apparently an Ishtari) looking for Sauron before? why?
That can't be a wizard. In Tolkien's legendarium, wizards are the Istari. Even if you limit them to being Maiar, the only Maiar at Middle Earth at the time is Sauron and Balrogs. Off topic, but it occurs to me that Glorfindel returns about this time.
So they said they were going back to the original story line. I guess they forgot to tell us they were going back pillage it to get more characters to distort for thier infamously bad parody of Tolkien’s work. But what did we expect from the the producers and directors that brought us Gal-Lad-Drill (Looks like a gal, acts like a lad with the personality and subtleties of a hammer drill!).
These hacks are changing everyone/everything because they wanna create literally every origin story ever. So now we get to learn _why_ Tom Bombadil is frivelous in LOTR. Just some absurd hubris mixed with lack of talent. It's like Dunning-Kruger in action.
Among many other horrible things from this episode that upset me, it made me so angry that they literally just lifted lines straight out of the books and put them either thousands of years too early in characters' mouths, or put them in the WRONG mouths, also thousands of years too early. What are they trying to say by doing that?? It's like they're cheapening the ACTUAL Lord of the Rings and effectively saying, "oh, what Tolkien wrote in his books is actually just copies of things "our" characters did and said thousands of years before. "
The Stores are supposed to be another breed of Hobbits 😂 forget about off the forced Diversity for a minute did the Showrunners forget Hobbits are supposed to be small beings 😂. Why is everyone 6ft tall and they just look so human I mean even Frodo and Sam had a certain look to them since we could see them from behind with doubles who were Little people but their feet would stand out and they actually looked and felt like Hobbits these people are just laughable. It just proves these Showrunners have absolutely no idea what their doing they make this world feel so small and fake and they make Elves and Hobbits look so Human it's like its 1 massive Fan Fic Fan Film with a huge budget 😅.
Guys. There could have made this faithful to the book. That's Bombidil being Bombidil faithful to Tolkien. This was s**t. I give up. Even The can't get Bombidil's right. This is a joke. My son is 14 years old. I took him home after the movie and he asked TFOTR that where was He. I had to explain for the 1st time . The big ridiculous mistake using this character. He is now doing a project for school on LOTR. He will find all the BS. Change he will it into his essay. He wanted to know what is Aragorn doing assuming he's still Thoroungull in Gondor during echelon 's rain. Also, There is no dark ( Sith) side acolyte. NO ISTARI. No wizards & no giving Gandalf the ring off fire. Gandalf feared Sauron. That's why Manwe ( the king) insisted he go. That was showing that Olorin had a healthy respect for Sauron and wouldn't take him lightly. What a travesty . I knew that the one who is not named is being done on purpose. Eru sent the Istari to keep Sauron in check. Why destroy the story in its dialogue. To scratching your head.JUST TELL TOLKIEN STORY THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN. What a joke. People are not stupid. If they even knew part of the story. They make stupid and mentally ill. I give u on this. I don't know what the🖕they are not writing was there or get at least close to the Tolkien world. I'm done.
Gentlemen, please help me out? Tom Bombadil. I've seen peoples' opinions that he is Tolkien in the world, or Eru Ilúvatar, or a Valar or a Maiar; and the claim that nothing is known about him so there's the "wiggle room" to say he was in Rhûn or whatever. But FOTR has him saying he has no knowledge of the east outside his country. A Letter to Unwin had Tolkien flat out say Tom was the vanishing spirit of the (from memory, Oxford and Berkfordshire?) countryside. So why is there any of this "unknown wiggle room" going on? What am I missing? (12 minutes into your video, apologies if you address this. Was going to comment on lethal sandstorm vs Cheeto volcano, when you said the same thing.)
@@troffle I make reproductions of viking age artefacts and you'll often find people making things, but instead if faithfully copying they'll put their own idea of what it "should" look like. Many of these attempts are what we'd call "fridge worthy", like when your child brings back a picture from school, some are classed as "barely fridge worthy" The Rings of Power isn't even barely fridge worthy.
Tolkien stated that Bombadil served no purpose to the story, other than be a diversion for the hobbits on their journey. He included him in the LOTR because he had already invented him ( in a 1934 poem). He said it served no purpose to try to analyse Bombadil as he could be described as an enigma.
@@sigurdholbarki8268 THANK you! I bought a pair of cheap thin leather bracers. Somebody had embossed runes around the side. I don't read runes naturally, so I brought them home, checked for the differentiations of characters between Elder, Younger Futhark and Anglo-Saxon futhorc... translated rune by rune and... gave up when I realised part of the inscription literally read "futhark". ... I mean, I wanted to practice with a bow and arrows like I hadn't since high school so I needed the bracers, but... maybe I'll wear them inside out or something. RoP answers aside, thank you for indicating that some people still get the difference.
Such an awful take on Bombadil. However guys you did let Jackson off the hook; the planting of Old Man Willow in Fangorn was illogical and stupid and was Jackson saying 'hey guys I didn't have the balls to make Bombadil work in its proper place so here's an Easter egg'
I don't think their Bombadil was being deceitful/gaslighting with the Goldberry bit,.. I thnk thy're trying to make him quirky and disconnected. They'll probably have him talking to spirits or himself and not recognising that part of his world as "A woman". Maybe even they're gonna have Goldberry be some nature spirit that accompanies him and hasn't yet taken a female form. Whatever, some codswallop. But I didn't sense deceit in his confusion (with these directors who knows, but Rory Kineer is a better actor than to let them misdirect him)
Hey I've got a minor concern in relation to these being split, do you think you'll fall behind upload wise? You haven't thus far so it's probably fine however the thought occurred to me during part 2.
Well, the next two weeks will be tough -- Michael is on the road moving his family. Not sure if he'll be available for the next video. Gonna try and at least get his thoughts. But we should get out all our thoughts before the next ROP episode.
@@TheOneRingcom I'll keep that in mind, whatever works out 👍 and good luck to Michael moving is a fluster cluck. I recall during the season 1 reviews Dan wasn't wholly available and Michael mentioned a few comments from him during a few episodes.
9:18 more to the point, these were three movies *only* . So 9 hours to tell all of lotr. The rop is 50 hours. You have much more time to flesh out other less central details in the lore.
1, b, 4 is a line that can be funny. Less funny is you're old and have seen it repeatedly... But they botched it!!! You don't use it to make someone dumb or you just underscore that you're a HACK writer. You use it as a joke after you've already laid out a character à la the older brother Buzz in Home Alone where it's 3 reasons - A, 2, D - & it's still to this day funny imo. These writers just stole bits and pieces of things from everywhere and cobbled them together with NO THOUGHT or purpose. Just like acolyte.
but but but you are suppose to turned into a potato and let it pass before or beyond your eyes. not analyse it not compare it to the source materials. content for view counts is great success!
The audacity to hire worst filmmakers to date to adapt the best and literally the father of modern fantasy works is just unfathomable. This series just look extremely cheap and parody-like. In par with such of Sharknado or VelociPastor.
@@Quactro What is impressive is the huge lack of knowledge the writers have about the characters. I would forgive it if they at least wrote them accordingly with Peter Jackson's trilogy (They were perfectly written for movies that had to tell such a huge story lore wise.) Yet they simply ruin important characters that have a huge legacy. Galadriel is one of the eldest Elves in the whole story, instead she is written like a 20 yo college girl. Elrond who is from a great line of Elves and is known for his wisdom is written as a sceptic antagonistic dude that shouldn't have a thing to say to Galadriel. Sauron an angelic being of great might is simply killed by an orc in the most simplistic and pathetic way. Isildur who is known as a great warrior is reduced to some child that knows nothing of the world. It is frustrating. Never would Galadriel rush recklessly into anything, never would she ignore Elrond's concerns. Never would prime Sauron get outsmarted by an orc, nor would he ever need to be crowned/accepted by orcs. His might alone would grant him such an influence over the mind of these lesser beings. The show is written by people who are trying to transpose todays society into a magnificent story. Galadriel is the 20 yo woman, that needs to free herself from the shackles of the patriarchy and experiment the world by her rules. Elrond is the lesser knowledgeable male, that has no say in what is right or wrong. Sauron is the dumb and evil being that needs a powerful woman at his side to achieve his goal. It needs to stop...
@@sidnew2739 Iin Appendix F of The Return of the King, he explicitly describes Elves as "fair of skin": Elves has been used to translate both Quendi, ‘the speakers’, the High-elven name of all their kind, and Eldar, the name of the Three Kindreds that sought for the Undying Realm and came there at the beginning of Days (save the Sindar only). This old word was indeed the only one available, and was once fitted to apply to such memories of this people as Men preserved, or to the makings of Men’s minds not wholly dissimilar. But it has been diminished, and to many it may now suggest fancies either pretty or silly, as unlike to the Quendi of old as are butterflies to the swift falcon - not that any of the Quendi ever possessed wings of the body, as unnatural to them as to Men. They were a race high and beautiful, the older Children of the world, and among them the Eldar were as kings, who now are gone: the People of the Great Journey, the People of the Stars. They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed, though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin; and their voices had more melodies than any mortal voice that now is heard. They were valiant, but the history of those that returned to Middle-earth in exile was grievous; and though it was in far-off days crossed by the fate of the Fathers, their fate is not that of Men. Their dominion passed long ago, and they dwell now beyond the circles of the world, and do not return.
Tom Bombadill was just a ripoff of Hagrid from Harry Potter. So bloody obvious and ridiculous. The show then took the bog monster from The Witcher and inserted a version of it into this episode. It is so bad and so obvious.
I'll be honest, as someone who despises the Rings of Powers and the show runners, I actually liked Tom Bombadil's portrayal. It was one of the very few good things about this crap show.
"Some Call him Tim"! Brilliantly done. Respect!
I'm laughing the hardest about how people told you guys that an hour was too long of a video to spend on reviewing one episode, so you spent three hours reviewing this one! Great discussion. Can't take how they bloodied Tom here.
Random Film Talk spends a movie's time reviewing a single episode and he is research-autopsy specific. People who invest the time and do the thorough job are awesome.
Great reviewer @@troffle
Sometimes that toilet blockage is really bad!
1 hour of shitty TV nets me like a dozen of funny podcasts making fun of it. Thanks guys.
+1 the reviews are so fun 😂
I am loving the long form and split parts, guys. ETA: "Bomba-chill"
Tom Bombadil apparently runs a wizard school now where he trained Gandalf, so I'll just call him Tom Bumbledore from now on.
"GANDALF!'
Bumbledore said calmly...
Big reveal if you watch Prime with the subtitles, there's a line with the dark wizard talking to his moth servants and he's off camera and it says [Blue Wizard]...
Then in the next line where he speaks off camera it changes to [Dark wizard].
Someone forgot to change all the subtitles.
Someone go check and show me I'm not going mad.
I think episode 2,...
I ripped the subtitles out of an amazon rip from back when it originally dropped. Nothing in there about blue wizard that I can see. I watched on amazon too and didn't see it. 18-19 minute mark or so of Ep 2?
"Now back to bad guy" = "Meanwhile at the Legion of Doom"
That Tim reference was a literal spit take for me. I really like the separate storyline breakdown format. Thanks guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
“Hey-dull… merry dull.”
Ahem: "I once was a flobbit called Spiegel"
Toto: "You were that flobbit the flobbit that bought everything mail order"- Lord of the Beans
OMG a part 3!! Christmas came early! I thought it was done with Part 2! What a pleasant surprise
The basic question is: why is Tom even here? The man couldn't care less about the world's movements
Because he's not a man.
Also the exact opposite: Gandalf describes Tom as a "moss-gatherer" compared to his own "stone doomed to rolling". This parallel-world Tom says "Old Tom's a wanderer, not a warrior." We have barrow-'downs' that is a forested area, Ents of two identical sexes who are positively hasty…
I recently had the ill fortune to read 'Fellowship of the King', the horrible (and I mean really horrible, too horrible even to be funny) fan-fiction 'sequel' to LotR that was the subject of some legal entanglements with Amazon a year or two back. A constant motif in that book is that everything you thought you knew about Tolkien's world was exactly wrong. Galadriel had affairs with Celebrimbor _and_ with Tar-Aldarion of Númenor (who is the actual father of Celebrian); Celebrian bore a half-orc son named 'Estel'; the wizard Alatar explains to Sam and Elanor that the first rings wrought in Eregion were not 'lesser' Rings, but were more powerful than the later Great Rings (Denethor and Saruman each had one); the big villain is Glorfindel, who was corrupted by Sauron (by jamming the One Ring onto his finger while was a prisoner) during the wars of the Last Alliance; Glorfindel reclaimed the Nine Rings, still potent, from the ruined Mordor where they were dropped when the One Ring was destroyed. I'm not making this up, you know. It's really, really bad. The author sued Amazon for plagiarism. He justly lost, but Amazon seems to think that it's clever to indulge in similar, if less ridiculous, contradictions to whatever you think you know about Tolkien's world.
By the way, when did Stranger hear the name 'Sauron' that he utters when he talks to Bombadil? From the Acolytes last season?
There's something about fan fiction which isn't entirely benevolent.
It's like the nurse in Stephen King's 'Misery'. There's obsession, but also ego and maybe even jealousy and resentment.
Some superfans given the chance would break their beloved's creation.
I suspect a real fan would resist the temptation to "fix" their hero's work, the Misery analogy is bang on.
If it were still legal I would find that "author" and demand satisfaction via duel for this slanderous treatment of Galadriel in particular
Goldberry is a water spirit and not-Gandalf is probobly sitting in her in the bath.
Turns out Bombadil is a senile old man who has the very same dialogs with everyone he meets
😅
Its not just Tom Bombadil that is wrong but the whole damn show.
I like the split in parts😊
Not even the showrunners knows who the Stranger really is. They haven't decided, or at least they said that earlier...They think that's "delightful"... Nope. 😅
Sounds a bit like what they did with Rey in Disney Star Wars. Ridley let it slip that they kept on changing who her parents were until finally settling on palpatine.
It's this mystery box writing style everyone from Bad Robot uses to try and keep people watching.
oh sheesh.... did they actually say that?! I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Tolkien's preface to The Adventures of Tom Bombadil footnote 1 says his name was given by Hobbits:
"They [the Bucklanders] probably gave him this name (it is Bucklandish in form) to add to his many older ones".
The Tolkien Reader
I've noticed that "Tim" basically has the inverse hair color of Saruman from PJ's trilogy (Saruman, white with some black in the beard, Tim, black with some white in the beard). I REALLY hope they make him Saruman so that we can watch the shills try and defend that decision
i absolutely love your guys videos!! also i am calling it, either season 3 or 4 were getting Fallohides
Why does the dark wizard Tim even care about the not hobbits? I thought he wanted Not Gandalf.
If they had to have Bombadil, why not have him save Elrond and company from the barrow wights through the power of song? Then teach them something about love and humility and joy?
That would tie into Elrond's "I had forgotten Bombadil" at the Council. But that's too logical.
That requires effort
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Tom looks like Grizzly Adams.
That's insulting to grizzly Adams
Its actually sad considering the huge potential LOTR has, but instead all we can do is to discuss, analyze and watch in awe at how bad this show actually is...
And done deliberately poor to
Thank Ulmo, I was starting to get the craving.
Yeah, took a bit longer to get this one out.. sorry!
All good of course, I think as long as they come out before the next episode/s it's fine. I can be patient... sometimes. ; )
@TheOneRingcom not at all
Yes! In regards to how the made the Stoor set, you guys are so correct, its exactly the same material they use at Themeparks to make their fake rocks, and that works for Themeparks but the stoors home look so fake, it took me right out of it. This show is so bad, and like with you guys im looking much more forward to picking it apart each week than watching it, and I really wanted to like it being a huge LOTR fan for decades.
Good job distinguishing different ways to key jangle or member berry that can honor the story or author vs. using it when you don't understand the story or worldview.
It's crazy that in this same episode, they had their versions of Galadriel and Elrond wander through the area where Bombadil is supposed to live, so they could have included him without breaking the lore and transplanting him to Rhun. But they just couldn't do it. They had to go out of their way to make it dumber.
Na, The blues were sent together, they did go east, one turned bad and set up magic cults, the other opposed him and was killed, and was sent back in a meteor (to a colony nitwits),.. simples!
"The Stranger" does have a residual memory of the East, it's stars, of a need to go back there,.. he's totes been there WITH the Dark Wizard before. Also, the NazGals instantly refered to him as "THE Istari", so they must have known that there was possibly an Istari around, one they'd known before (cos their master just "killed" him!) I doubt they've spent all the aeons of M.E. rocking upto random people and assuming that they're AN Istari (there being only one in the entire history of M.E. so far)
I got it!
Old Man Ironwood is Old Man Willow’s daddy!
It just hit me: "I see you found the goat" Is that just a silly "I see you found the GOAT" (Greatest of all time)? I wouldn't put it past them...
Love the honesty 🎉
Tom Hagridill
As a Rapscallion villain from Veggie Tales once lamented: "I've been around since show/episode One, and I still don't have a name." 😅
Sauron when Adar and Galadriel show up in Eregion, "You've turned her against me!"
29:00 I care! Goldberry's mother's river is the Withywindle. The show doesn't even know it's a river.
EDIT: The scene in Fellowship has been compared to the River Windrush, a tributary of the Thames, specifically at Minster Lovell in Oxfordshire -- an idyllic picnic spot with a brown river flecked by golden willow-leaves.
Picking lilies in Rhun is like traveling to the peak of Mt. Everest for summer vacation. It’s not possible. Man these writers are stupid.
Where would tom find them or even pick them
@@yurikendal4868 that was my thinking as soon as he said it.
Never thought we'd have a Steelers/Ersatz Tolkien mash-up, but we've got one here!
But yeah, that drives me crazy! "TJ Watt is as good as anybody in the NFL in getting after the quarterback!" WHAT?!?!?!
But the show drives me crazier . . .
12:30 At this point, they just have had Estrid be smashed deep into the rock, leaving an Estrid-shaped hole on the rock face, and then afterwards have her crawl out of that hole again.
On a totally sour note, Tom taps a vein of pre-Freudian word association begun by Edward Lear in his infamous poem "The Dong with a Luminous Nose". His very first words are
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
And don't get me on Tolkien and trees.
16:50 Are they walking into a cheap theme park? The rocks look cheap plastic, styrofoam
Right?! I found myself yelling out loud, WHY IS IT SO CLEAN? Especially those green plants OMG just hyper clean. Even the dirt was clean and neat.
Has anyone ever played the card game _Aye, Dark Overlord!_ ? You play minions of a cartoon Dark Lord making excuses for why your mission failed.
I watched the Yogscast play it a few times.
Professor Tolkien said that Bombadil serves no purpose to the story other than to be a diversion for the Hobbits on their journey. He first appeared in a 1934 poem along with Goldberry, Old Man Willow and the barrow-wight. Professor Tolkein stated, when pressed, that he included Tom Bombadil in the LOTR because he had already invented him and wanted an adventure on the way, but he was not an important person to the narrative, even if he did represent something which he ( Tolkien) thought important. He was an enigma.
The only thing Amazon should do is cancel this garbage immediately
😆👍 Thanks chaps. That was fun!
Lore-wise, the two Istari here should be the Blue Wizards, but maybe that would make too much sense for the show.
The show is either playing around with non-fans, making them believe these are Gandalf and Saruman, only to reveal that they are the Blues, or the show is playing with the book fans, doing the opposite of that.
Either way, it's taking too long for the 'reveal' and being mysterious about it is meaningless to the narrative.
Entire series seems written by a committee, with heavy input from corporate to include more 'fan service'.
‘Who are you, Master?’ he asked.
‘Eh, what?’ said Tom sitting up, and his eyes glinting in the gloom. ‘Don’t you know my name yet?’
IN THE HOUSE OF TOM BOMBADIL
I noticed the green veggies and crops in a desert
It's just so stupid. Isn't it implied in Fellowship that Tom's power ends at the border of his land in Eriador?
Still looks more like Grizzly Adams to me... but they'd use that as excuse to have Beorn's ancestors turn up in RoP. ;p~
Bruh what is up with people in todays movies falling off high shit without a scratch or being blasted all to hell without dying
These inexperienced showrunners were in completely over their heads and it shows.
All I can figure about Bombadil: He’s trickster demon like Pan of Greek myth. And the Hobbits are cruel fairy type creatures-capricious and foolish. Dirty little sociopaths indeed.
"I've been around since 01 and I still don't have a name" - a green skinny vegetable
Tom Bombadil I feel is synonymous with Tolkien himself. It's in his interest whatever drama happens happens. I think Tolkien only added him in so he could use him as a wildcard whenever things wouldn't pan out.
The character they portrayed as Isildur is one of the greatest atrocities of the show. they expect us to believe he is the Captain of the Numenorians and went on to cut THE ONE off The Black Hand?... What a Joke.
Not ironwood... sandalwood (or san-dull-wood)
Oh, damn, i thoguht Dark Wizard would be Sauramon since he looks so much like him, but making him the Witch-King lets them pretend they're setting up the "It's my time now," from Return on of the King and breaks his staff. Hobo-Gandalf will break the Dark Wizard's staff and he'll go cry to Sauron and get a ring because of his hurt fifis.
@47:15 All the characters in RoP are omniscient, but only when they need to be. They've conveniently read the script in order to advance the plot
No one dies from taking volcanos to the face or being thrown hundreds of feet in the air, meanwhile Bronwyn dies from an infection off screen i suppose 😆
The casting of the dark wizard, prosthetics and de-aging they do with every single LOTR character makes me certain it's meant to be Saruman. Also if the plan was to turn him into the witch king i don't understand why they wouldn't just give him a generic name, i understand he does not have a official name in any of the lore and that could support him being the witch king but still.
Guy's the videos are not to long..its amazing how you go through it step by step..its all total B.S. every single word they say in this show is complete nonsense and we all know it and you are bringing JRRT fan together with these videos
They created Tom Gladridill
I am confused lol.. in season one, the Dark wizard 's moth Acolytes were looking for Sauron, and thought (not) Gandalf was Sauron..so was the Dark Wizard (apparently an Ishtari) looking for Sauron before? why?
That can't be a wizard. In Tolkien's legendarium, wizards are the Istari. Even if you limit them to being Maiar, the only Maiar at Middle Earth at the time is Sauron and Balrogs.
Off topic, but it occurs to me that Glorfindel returns about this time.
So they said they were going back to the original story line. I guess they forgot to tell us they were going back pillage it to get more characters to distort for thier infamously bad parody of Tolkien’s work. But what did we expect from the the producers and directors that brought us Gal-Lad-Drill (Looks like a gal, acts like a lad with the personality and subtleties of a hammer drill!).
Amazon's Rings of Power is a steaming pile of SHIT 💩
These hacks are changing everyone/everything because they wanna create literally every origin story ever. So now we get to learn _why_ Tom Bombadil is frivelous in LOTR. Just some absurd hubris mixed with lack of talent. It's like Dunning-Kruger in action.
LOTR ROP S2 😍😍😍😍😍
Among many other horrible things from this episode that upset me, it made me so angry that they literally just lifted lines straight out of the books and put them either thousands of years too early in characters' mouths, or put them in the WRONG mouths, also thousands of years too early. What are they trying to say by doing that?? It's like they're cheapening the ACTUAL Lord of the Rings and effectively saying, "oh, what Tolkien wrote in his books is actually just copies of things "our" characters did and said thousands of years before. "
The Stores are supposed to be another breed of Hobbits 😂 forget about off the forced Diversity for a minute did the Showrunners forget Hobbits are supposed to be small beings 😂. Why is everyone 6ft tall and they just look so human I mean even Frodo and Sam had a certain look to them since we could see them from behind with doubles who were Little people but their feet would stand out and they actually looked and felt like Hobbits these people are just laughable. It just proves these Showrunners have absolutely no idea what their doing they make this world feel so small and fake and they make Elves and Hobbits look so Human it's like its 1 massive Fan Fic Fan Film with a huge budget 😅.
Last time I believe one of you said there was a way to join the discord for free? Only I can't find the link anywhere, not even on your website
Dang. That's a good point. We should put in on our website! 😬 The link is pretty small in the show notes. Here you go, though!
discord.gg/fRATdAqEFr
@@TheOneRingcom many thanks!
How does "Gandalf" know who Sauron is?
Guys. There could have made this faithful to the book. That's Bombidil being Bombidil faithful to Tolkien. This was s**t. I give up. Even The can't get Bombidil's right. This is a joke. My son is 14 years old. I took him home after the movie and he asked TFOTR that where was He. I had to explain for the 1st time . The big ridiculous mistake using this character. He is now doing a project for school on LOTR. He will find all the BS. Change he will it into his essay. He wanted to know what is Aragorn doing assuming he's still Thoroungull in Gondor during echelon 's rain. Also, There is no dark ( Sith) side acolyte. NO ISTARI. No wizards & no giving Gandalf the ring off fire. Gandalf feared Sauron. That's why Manwe ( the king) insisted he go. That was showing that Olorin had a healthy respect for Sauron and wouldn't take him lightly. What a travesty . I knew that the one who is not named is being done on purpose. Eru sent the Istari to keep Sauron in check. Why destroy the story in its dialogue. To scratching your head.JUST TELL TOLKIEN STORY THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN. What a joke. People are not stupid. If they even knew part of the story. They make stupid and mentally ill. I give u on this. I don't know what the🖕they are not writing was there or get at least close to the Tolkien world. I'm done.
on goldberry, you guys are leaving out a stupider and more likely explanation of why he said what woman... it's a man.
I would rather watch member-berries than hairstylists in a cgi park.
Finally
They've made Gandalf into an idiot. Actually they've made every character an idiot, because the writers and directors are idiots.
Bombadil was where I gave up and checked out I had no interest in finishing the episode 🙄
Gentlemen, please help me out? Tom Bombadil. I've seen peoples' opinions that he is Tolkien in the world, or Eru Ilúvatar, or a Valar or a Maiar; and the claim that nothing is known about him so there's the "wiggle room" to say he was in Rhûn or whatever.
But FOTR has him saying he has no knowledge of the east outside his country. A Letter to Unwin had Tolkien flat out say Tom was the vanishing spirit of the (from memory, Oxford and Berkfordshire?) countryside.
So why is there any of this "unknown wiggle room" going on? What am I missing?
(12 minutes into your video, apologies if you address this. Was going to comment on lethal sandstorm vs Cheeto volcano, when you said the same thing.)
When the writers say wriggle room, think of a child trying to find wriggle room when you say "no sweets before bedtime"
@@sigurdholbarki8268 please don't make me think that.
@@troffle I make reproductions of viking age artefacts and you'll often find people making things, but instead if faithfully copying they'll put their own idea of what it "should" look like. Many of these attempts are what we'd call "fridge worthy", like when your child brings back a picture from school, some are classed as "barely fridge worthy"
The Rings of Power isn't even barely fridge worthy.
Tolkien stated that Bombadil served no purpose to the story, other than be a diversion for the hobbits on their journey. He included him in the LOTR because he had already invented him ( in a 1934 poem). He said it served no purpose to try to analyse Bombadil as he could be described as an enigma.
@@sigurdholbarki8268 THANK you!
I bought a pair of cheap thin leather bracers. Somebody had embossed runes around the side. I don't read runes naturally, so I brought them home, checked for the differentiations of characters between Elder, Younger Futhark and Anglo-Saxon futhorc... translated rune by rune and... gave up when I realised part of the inscription literally read "futhark".
... I mean, I wanted to practice with a bow and arrows like I hadn't since high school so I needed the bracers, but... maybe I'll wear them inside out or something.
RoP answers aside, thank you for indicating that some people still get the difference.
Tom Bombadil 😍😍😍😍
Such an awful take on Bombadil. However guys you did let Jackson off the hook; the planting of Old Man Willow in Fangorn was illogical and stupid and was Jackson saying 'hey guys I didn't have the balls to make Bombadil work in its proper place so here's an Easter egg'
I don't think their Bombadil was being deceitful/gaslighting with the Goldberry bit,.. I thnk thy're trying to make him quirky and disconnected. They'll probably have him talking to spirits or himself and not recognising that part of his world as "A woman". Maybe even they're gonna have Goldberry be some nature spirit that accompanies him and hasn't yet taken a female form. Whatever, some codswallop. But I didn't sense deceit in his confusion (with these directors who knows, but Rory Kineer is a better actor than to let them misdirect him)
Maybe Goldberry is the goat?🤔
Goldberry is definitely Black.
Hey I've got a minor concern in relation to these being split, do you think you'll fall behind upload wise? You haven't thus far so it's probably fine however the thought occurred to me during part 2.
Well, the next two weeks will be tough -- Michael is on the road moving his family. Not sure if he'll be available for the next video. Gonna try and at least get his thoughts.
But we should get out all our thoughts before the next ROP episode.
@@TheOneRingcom I'll keep that in mind, whatever works out 👍 and good luck to Michael moving is a fluster cluck.
I recall during the season 1 reviews Dan wasn't wholly available and Michael mentioned a few comments from him during a few episodes.
Yeah... good news is that we'll all be together for an episode in early October! Likely the Full review of ROP Season 2.
@@TheOneRingcom
Awesome looking forward to that 👌
The season 1 recap was gold XD
an hour isnt too long for the reviews, dont listen to the detractors.
side note: i hope amazon fail in every single one of their future endeavours
9:18 more to the point, these were three movies *only* . So 9 hours to tell all of lotr. The rop is 50 hours. You have much more time to flesh out other less central details in the lore.
This Tom seems a bit sad, world weary may have been a bit light..
He was fearful which is not tom
1, b, 4 is a line that can be funny. Less funny is you're old and have seen it repeatedly... But they botched it!!! You don't use it to make someone dumb or you just underscore that you're a HACK writer. You use it as a joke after you've already laid out a character à la the older brother Buzz in Home Alone where it's 3 reasons - A, 2, D - & it's still to this day funny imo.
These writers just stole bits and pieces of things from everywhere and cobbled them together with NO THOUGHT or purpose. Just like acolyte.
but but but you are suppose to turned into a potato and let it pass before or beyond your eyes. not analyse it not compare it to the source materials. content for view counts is great success!
The audacity to hire worst filmmakers to date to adapt the best and literally the father of modern fantasy works is just unfathomable. This series just look extremely cheap and parody-like. In par with such of Sharknado or VelociPastor.
why are there black and Asian elves!!!!!!!!!
@@Quactro What is impressive is the huge lack of knowledge the writers have about the characters. I would forgive it if they at least wrote them accordingly with Peter Jackson's trilogy (They were perfectly written for movies that had to tell such a huge story lore wise.) Yet they simply ruin important characters that have a huge legacy. Galadriel is one of the eldest Elves in the whole story, instead she is written like a 20 yo college girl. Elrond who is from a great line of Elves and is known for his wisdom is written as a sceptic antagonistic dude that shouldn't have a thing to say to Galadriel. Sauron an angelic being of great might is simply killed by an orc in the most simplistic and pathetic way. Isildur who is known as a great warrior is reduced to some child that knows nothing of the world. It is frustrating. Never would Galadriel rush recklessly into anything, never would she ignore Elrond's concerns. Never would prime Sauron get outsmarted by an orc, nor would he ever need to be crowned/accepted by orcs. His might alone would grant him such an influence over the mind of these lesser beings. The show is written by people who are trying to transpose todays society into a magnificent story. Galadriel is the 20 yo woman, that needs to free herself from the shackles of the patriarchy and experiment the world by her rules. Elrond is the lesser knowledgeable male, that has no say in what is right or wrong. Sauron is the dumb and evil being that needs a powerful woman at his side to achieve his goal. It needs to stop...
THAT is the biggest problem that you see with this show?
@@sidnew2739 Yes
@@sidnew2739 Iin Appendix F of The Return of the King, he explicitly describes Elves as "fair of skin":
Elves has been used to translate both Quendi, ‘the speakers’, the High-elven name of all their kind, and Eldar, the name of the Three Kindreds that sought for the Undying Realm and came there at the beginning of Days (save the Sindar only). This old word was indeed the only one available, and was once fitted to apply to such memories of this people as Men preserved, or to the makings of Men’s minds not wholly dissimilar. But it has been diminished, and to many it may now suggest fancies either pretty or silly, as unlike to the Quendi of old as are butterflies to the swift falcon - not that any of the Quendi ever possessed wings of the body, as unnatural to them as to Men. They were a race high and beautiful, the older Children of the world, and among them the Eldar were as kings, who now are gone: the People of the Great Journey, the People of the Stars.
They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed, though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin; and their voices had more melodies than any mortal voice that now is heard. They were valiant, but the history of those that returned to Middle-earth in exile was grievous; and though it was in far-off days crossed by the fate of the Fathers, their fate is not that of Men. Their dominion passed long ago, and they dwell now beyond the circles of the world, and do not return.
Tom Bombadill was just a ripoff of Hagrid from Harry Potter. So bloody obvious and ridiculous. The show then took the bog monster from The Witcher and inserted a version of it into this episode. It is so bad and so obvious.
This tom bombadil is just boring like the rest of the show
A lot of this show seems to be a poor imatation of Harry Potter which does not work as magic is done differently in both world.
I'll be honest, as someone who despises the Rings of Powers and the show runners, I actually liked Tom Bombadil's portrayal. It was one of the very few good things about this crap show.
Why?
It was completely off character.
This channel is a joke. Where's the maga hats