THE BEST TAPE SIMULATION?!? || U-HE Satin
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- One of the most requested plugins to review is the Satin by U-HE. Check it out here:
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Perhaps one of the best features of U-he Satin is that it has built in Dolby A, B, and also DBX Type I and II noise reduction systems. The DBX noise reduction is especially interesting because it gives you the ability to decode DBX encoded records and tapes... YES, for those of you who don't know this, there were DBX encoded LPs that sounded very good. They had very little to no surface noise and any ticks or pops were pretty much cleared up. Dolby A and B are more common, and these can also be decoded with this program.
U-He are really, really good, overall. They make seriously high quality stuff.
I know you hate plugins but many people can’t tell the difference between a high quality plugin and hardware. I prefer plugins because of money (I make minimum wage), space (my apartment is tiny), ease of use, and doesn’t create clutter (I’m a minimalist and hate wires / cables everywhere). But money and space is by far the biggest factor. Try to keep that in mind as to why people like plugins.
they don't compare to analog sound
@@alihajali9218 many actually do though... the real snake oil is analog gear, that it always sounds years better than plugins...
@@alihajali9218 yeah ok lmao. doubt you even own any analog gear and are just parroting shit you heard someone else say
No one cares how it's done it's what I've come to learn.. I use to think going into expensive studios mattered.. Now you can just go to someone crib and it's just as good or sometimes better
Idk,because some ways of use they may do and others not. A way I've been advised is not to solo a single instance but the cumulative effect of many instances (which may be so subtle as to be inaudible when solo'd) across tracks and how those tracks blend together being another way to a/b test them that has surprising results when you bypass all at once.
One thing I would like to add about you saying that plugins are good for when you want to mix on the go. There are also people who can't afford analog gear, but do love to mix, and do like the sound. It's not only a "Does it sound question" but also a money question
I'm not a great lover of this Analogue snobbery. I question how many listeners can hear the difference
Exactly correct my friend, I like this guys channel but it gets annoying when he constantly says "I have a real tape machine" if I want tape sound and the same comparison for other bits of analogue gear he owns. And exactly how many versions of "sandstorm" does the guy posses? Can't we hear a different genre just for once? As I say I do like the channel but more for entertainment value as I'll never have the cash or space for all his analogue gear.
@@fischergreen4134 If you round down the numbers, effectively none.
@@fischergreen4134 I hear you. I love analogue, but I also love digital. Both can sound great.... both can sound bloody awful. It’s all down to the engineer. That said, one thing I do love about analogue is how natural it feels when working with it. Not having to move a mouse around and click things is awesome. Dealing with recall is not so awesome. So long as you have a great listening environment and refined skills, you will be fine.
@@tobiasjone I do love working with analogue synths I think both have their place
one thing that is quite importend to dial in satin is the headroom in my opinion.. it was on default here, which is often too high (too much headroom) for my taste... therefor you realy need to drive very hot into satin.. maybe that's what kills the depth a bit... since with less headroom.. you don't need to gain so hot into it.. but have the tape already "working" with lower peaks and more "working" with higher peaks... it definately needs some tuning till you get it where you want to get it (often.. or at least for my taste) .. almost a bit like when you dial in reverbs.. reverbs usually also need quite some tuning...
but when you have satin where you want it.. it can sound pretty good I think... however.. if you have a real tape machine... ofcourse the most logical thing is to use the real tape.. :) .. but on the otherhand you have the group possibility in satin which gives you something like a multitrack tape option...
for me satin was the first plugin which give me this ..,. I can't realy describe it... pre transient vibe.. which I get from tapes... it's not realy audible or so.. more like a feel... it's hard to describe.. ofcourse the transient is where it is.. but tape sound always gave me some feeling of like something is already happening before the transient... most other plugins.. were just mostly saturation and such things... and with satin I got this tape feeling the first time in a plugin...
ofcourse it might not come in the same amount of a real tape... it's still a digital plugin... but for me searching for tape sound without the ability to have a tape machine here.. it came pretty close to what I was searching for...
the only thing is it is quite a cpu hog if you use it realy multitrack like..
it becomes a nice chorus effect if you use it parallel btw :) (because of the wow)
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This is really helpful information, thanks for this!
1:08 let's see what U-HE promissesSSESSESSS
Your videos are getting better and better! I like the editing a lot!
Very entertaining review but not always totally factual nor accurate. Remember - a little knowledge is a DANGEROUS THING!
Could you elaborate on what you think is incorrect?
@@omare2537 Use and analysis plugin like ddmf doctor or span and you will see how harmonic content gets messy if you drive most of the plugins input
I prefer more structured and thought out approaches to reviews. To be frank I'm none the wiser after watching this. On the other hand you do have an entertaining presentation style.
Yes. He actually didn't tried messing with the most interesting thing about this thing - the compander which stand for compressor and expander(with the different codecs). It changes the sound in such good ways that can be very creative and useful. Messing with different codecs for encoding and decoding gives also some crazy results...
One thing Dolby does specifically; when the signal is hot - it does nothing at all. When the signal is lower, Dolby kicks in and boosts the highs. It's highly level dependent.
the truth was said in the first minute..."I don't know shit about plugins"
How come we listen to the guy who dont give a shit for plug ins ?
yes, and his honesty is what's golden here.
although his knowledge on plugins is limited, he has a good grasp on how outboard, physical gears work, thus having a good frame of reference when he jumps into plugins.
his honesty actually shines when he reviews them and gives his own opinions about it.
also, this is a first impressions thing on ONE track.
But he does know about the hardware, which the plugins claim to emulate. Most of the time they dont (for the record I do rate U-HE)
Nice vid!
but I don't think there's anything wrong with writing "analogue tape sound". I think you can assume that everyone knows that a piece of software isn't actually analogue. It's like you don't gotta tell people that are buying photoshop brushes that they're not buying real actual brushes.
That was a beautiful beat.
I'd be interested in comparison to the real tape machine. A/B to dry, your real tape machine and the plugin.
As you mentioned, there are so many out there.
Edit: but as always, great video. Thank you for doing this :)
Comparison or bust
@@Toma-sr5hh You can give my Telefunken M15 a try for comparison, it's online and free to take for a spin. Take a look at my channel for details, White Sea actually reviewed my service some time ago.
This is one of very few plugins, which I still use after years.
Anything u-he puts out is top notch. Facts.
Yep Hans Zimmer's fave synth is U-he Zebra and u-he's main presets maker and tester is also Hans Zimmer's synth sound designer Howard Scarr.
Compared to?
Divinital lol
honestly, regardless what you think about satin (and i am writing this right before watching your revue) this tape toy is my favorite....love it, i use it everyday, mostly on final stages of mixing and mastering....etc...now i am gonna watch :) ha ha ha :)
Don not mix and drive!!! Priceless....:-)
I know it was just a silly joke but I've actually done that on the 405 in LA!
One of the best tricks I ever learned was recording horns to tape (horns are fucking hard - at least poppy horns recorded in a studio). It makes so much difference in that weird "subtle but also night and day" vibe. I hope this adds that same quality.
to really hear how this plugin shines, play with the speed and pre-emphasis on some cymbals/hihats tracks. You'll hear a distinct type of saturation where it really brings them out without just boosting volume. satin is a really good plugin overall
I love Satin. The slapback delays are great, the tape sat is aight but its a helluva better option that RC20 or something. Also, using it in a multiband setup to flange/phase top end info is really really unique sounding.
i dont know about real tapemachines but for saturation reelbuss is the king
So damn true
along with true iron...
I own reelbus 3. It's really awesome. Especially for the value. Satin has a slight edge to it.
I haven't messed with reelbus4 though
@@0e0 They have released reelbus 4 and it's amazing
@@0e0 4 is the deal
I actually really like that plugin. It really starts shining once you use it on more than one track and than play with the settings in the linked mode. You can then lock the settings you don't want to be changed via right click on the individual instances. The service panel should be better not displayed in that case as the plugin uses twice the amount of RAM in order to display this real time spectrum which can add up quite a lot when you use it on many tracks at once. The added tape delay and flanging effect are also very well done btw.
Been using it for a small decade, was always my favorite.
I wish you had played more with the tape speed. That's where the magic lies.
I watch this guy sometimes but i still can't tell why i do lmao his comparisons are ridiculous and his bias shows so much in all his videos, he clearly has no clue what he's doing, which he admits to, but then presents his opinion as though it's factual, which really does more harm than good for learning
How about a non-tape machine hardware unit that's supposed to give you tape-machine saturation, like the Handsome Audio Zulu or the Neve 542.
I love UAD's model of the AMPEX ATR-102. I had an Otari MTR 90MKII 1" 8 Track recorder for many years, but the audible, flexibility and creative advantages of the UAD is so much better than that.
Is it available native?
@@SanthoshSandy1991now it is
recording on my own cheaper aka 4 track tape deck has more depth than any plug in I've ever used. it really is a bummer that they can't seem to replicate that. the tone and saturation seems to be really spot on tho.
This is an old video, so I doubt you'll see this; but, I believe NKS has to do with NI Komplete Kontrol and/or Maschine Studio. I use Maschine Studio hardware with Maschine Studio software...and much of the effects are NKS instead of VST based. I could be wrong, though.
Ah, you know your day will be good when you see another Snake Oil video! Thanks Wytse, as always!
Dude. You were pushing the input waaaay to hard and just heard distortion, and a flattened signal.
It's for example purposes .
I've been playing around with this since the video was released a couple of days ago, and I have to say, this is definitely NOT Snake Oil. Don't believe me. Let you own ears experience it. Warren Huart does some playing around with it here: ua-cam.com/video/rnnKEPqA0dE/v-deo.html
And Warren didn't really even touch on what it can do! This is a game changing plugin that is way more than a tape emulator. I put it on a bunch of tracks in "finished" mixes by me and a some pros who've mixed some pretty big tracks and with a lot more experience than I have, and it's utterly mind blowing what it does. The difference in the heft, depth, brightness, richness, and every other good adjective you can think of when it comes to music, is remarkable. This is a must have plugin, even if you own a whole room of tape machines. It does things you could never do with even 20 tape machines. I've added it to all my templates on every track, aux track, and mix buss.
I’m using this as my main Saturation it’s the Cleanest to me to warm your mix Which should be warmed already, from the mix and choosing a compressor with depth Then you can use this to get some clean warm Saturation AND not mess up your sound quality
Oh Lord I wouldn't believe Warren. The old spruiker.
“I don’t know shit about plugins.” The irony writes itself.
Hi Steven Wilson!
If there's any way to boost the sound samples you do to the same level as your voice it would really help - I find myself constantly jacking the volume for the sample then cutting it when you go back to commentary. I hope the co's you review are paying you handsomely as I've made countless real purchases based on your advice.
On the subject of Dolby NR as a musical effect:
I have always used a fair amount of overdrive and Dolby C on my cassette recordings to deliberately play it without, to get those nicely squashed highs in the end result.
Works really well on Metal tapes.
I am still waiting for a plugin to be able to do exactly this. None exists that comes even close.
Check the plugin: sketch cassette. White sea reviewed it also
"Do not text and drive"
This needs to be a national warning sign for producers
Oh and also, if you're still looking for a DAW, have you ever tried SONAR ? i know its dead but an other company revived it and its now completely free, It's now called Cakewalk by Bandlab... must be the easyest DAW to try since well.. you dont even need a licence to own it.
Thanks for the video... it sounded like you were popping popcorn when the demo sound came on hehe. Also is it "Say Tin " or "Sah Tin" Cause one is like the Devil and the other a fine linen :) Again appreciate your work...
This thing is actually amazing
dont mix and drive
wise words man
I generally like u-he virtual instruments...
this is pretty good for what it is trying to do, so if I want a fake tape sound I know where to go for a pretty good fake
I consider it more a delay, flanger fx than tape, the same with Waves J37.
But better than AA Taupe imo, that is just a kind of eq with fixed settings, a very bad comp and causing some artefacts and even no saturation at all
your channel is entertaining and relevant! this is why i'm a patrion...keep up the good work!
I just tested it on a very large project (22 instances of Play) and it sounds great but it was bogging down my computer. I'm looking forward to trying it on a "normal" project. BTW, I have an Otari MX5050 wired up to test against. I just need to check the calibration of my Dolby 363 first as I dragged it out of mothballs last week.
Nice video as usual :)
It's good to see U-HE plugins reviewed, I've heard a lot about them but simply don't have the time to evaluate properly. Thanks White Sea for supporting my lazy habits lol :)
they all have time unlimited trials btw so it doesn't matter when you install them.
Depth... What about just adding on a touch of room reverb / early reflections after your tape saturator? Just a smidge...
Hey thanks for doing this mate!! U he satin is my fav
Greatnessssss, loving the vids
great demo - thanks!!
TRY TAUPE, PLEASE I know you probably hate AA at this point but PLEASE
The best of all, by (soooooooooooooo) far. And it's the only AA product I got, so I'm everything but a fanboy.
The cpu burn up is a bit much for me but AA do make top notch plugins
im only beginning to learn about saturation. so beautiful
Man, a great video would be a direct comparison with a real tape machine and plugins on the same sound source !
That's a decent track. Thanks to your artist buddy for some good vibes today.
The song is "Cow I Love You"
@@alexbreyer6921 That's a great title! As an lifelong animal lover and activist, it does me good, thank you.
@@alexbreyer6921 The original song is not Jincheng Zhang - Cow i love you.. hes taken the original instrumental and put his voice over the top. Would love to know what the original is
"We don't have wooden side panels or something".
You definitely should reach out to the guys a UHE. They would love your input if you haven't already.
Maybe you could have used the “preset” button to get an idea of the beast. “Satin” models different type of “tape machine”. i.e :
Studer A820, Studer A80, Studer A802 24 tracks, Studer A810 30ips, Studer A827 15ips, Ampeg 1/2"15ips, Ampex 2 15ips 458 tape, Studer A827 2" 24 chanel, and a lot of variation of these models. It is also the only emulation ranging from 1.87 inches to 30 inches. For me it is one of the best emulation of a tape plugin.
This presentation sucks. Sorry.
how is this compared to the ampex uad plugin? i want to buy one but they are both close in price. i own an apollo btw
75%?! Wow... I'm already a subscriber and 2$ patron. It's really not that much at all and what you do is totally worth it!
Thanks for another snake oil!
In fact, from all views during March, 75.5% where from non-subscribers...
@@Whiteseastudio Wow man, you definitely deserve better! :/
Knights in white satin. Great song btw from the Moody Blues.
The guy who codes Satin made his first plugin release 18 years ago, when he made excellent freeware plugins while coding professionally for Magix. He was immediately onto saturation algorithms. Trust the pedigree - he's done the hard work!
www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=1&subItem=2
It's amazing that he used to code analogue-style saturation plug-ins that could fit inside a 97kB zip file. A lot of snake oil must have been added over the years to get plug-ins to use up multiple megabytes of data.
The NKS FX is Native Komplete Suite FX
Hi from Quebec Canada ! Where people speak french! so pardon my english, I am really a fan now and your reviews and snake oil videos are my favorites you go straight to the point you dont spend 10 minutes showing us an empty screen telling us how you heard of the product and thats pretty positive... I am exploring alternatives from digital only right now to add a little bit of analog into my mixes and I have heard of a type of small analog console witch is a multitrack usb interface at the same time and I was wondering if it would be worth it just to get used to mixing analog or if the console is complete crap... or partial crap... lol or maybe could deliver something interresting .. anyway, if you can test it one day it would be really great because i think there is only 2 or max 3 very poorly done reviews on youtube.. the console is the Soundcraft signature 22 mtk ... The reason why im looking at this particular one is that it looks like the cheapest way to mix analog directly from a daw... without external converters or anything you can litteraly send your tracks into the conosle and print back in the DAW... and i've never seen anything at that price range do this .. so if you could, maybe one day, review it, or analyse it, it would be much appreciated. So far i've watched around 15 of your videos and I think those are the best honnest reviews out there !
www.soundcraft.com/en/products/signature-22-mtk
You should compare it to Softube Tape.
It's a completely different thing altogether. There is no real way to compare them. Satin can not just do everything SoftTube Tape (and with more ?niceness"), it does about a million things Tape couldn't dream of doing. It's a game changer! This doesn't even begin to touch on the power it can add to your work. ua-cam.com/video/rnnKEPqA0dE/v-deo.html
@ PHART / XS Softube Tape is designed for other reasons. You don't know enough about these tools if you're trying to say that one is better because it does "more" than the other. It's like saying a 7.1 surround speaker home theater setup is better than a pair of Focals because they do more and you get more speakers. A bus carries more people and does more than a Corvette. Is a bus better?
Thanks! still king is ff saturn at warm or clean tape @0-20 dist. my opinion.
my idea for a real piece of gear review: the new ssl six desktop mixer. might be awesome?? or snake oil... at least the the g bus comp is worth the price...
the dolby machine you are speaking of is cloned by audio thing called TYPE a ( even has a scratched NR) on it. sounds very good
Yeah I like to use it, somehow it improves sound for me. A-Type mod is my favorite. The cool part it can be even used with tape bypassed. Don't know any other plugins that have that.
uhx type 1 and 2 can be also sed for lofi music.
@@izvarzone very cool, hey I appreciate the comment and the info, were all learning this thing together right? Im excited I just got my Doepfer box,... starting Just starting the modular 'Journey'
I actually find even more cool combos, A-Type endoder, B-Type decoder, etc, or even stacking different ones. Using dry/wet ofc, 100% becomes overcompressed.
You can even lower input, it changes how it works. The headroom in circuit can change amount of compression.
They added wooden side-panels after you released this video 😹
I'd test this plugin with a song that don't have an intro with a filter starting to open ..
I' d test on drums, bass or in a fullfilled song. Not with just in an intro.. and make A/B test wiht different materials.
There were not much high frequencies in the song ( was just the intro). I don' t know if you catch 'cause I' m really bad in english.
SSL G and E brainworx emulations, please! :)
mixing on long train trips yes
but I can wait with the tape parts and just track to tape at home.
"At least we don't have wooden side panels" well I guess this guy's glasses aren't doing anything for him
The opriginal song is not Jincheng Zhang - Cow i love you.. hes taken the original instrumental and put his voice over the top. Anyone know what the original is? Would you mind sharing whiteseastudio?
The original is from the youtube audio library...
White Sea Studio great, thanks! Solid reviews also, came across your channel today
It's "South London HiFi - Sunrise Drive" from the UA-cam Audio Library - if you're still searching! :)
Thats great plugin! Used to have it and its so great for drums, now got soundtoys bundle though.
What about overloud Tapedeesk?
"Some plugins have this as a feature" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
tfw it’s still not sandstorm by daruuuuude
yo that music is sooo cool. does anyone know whats the name of the music?
tapude - satinstorm
It's "South London HiFi - Sunrise Drive" from the UA-cam Audio Library!
The best tape compression I heard was from a Nakamichi cassette deck
Dragon!
"Do not mix and drive" Gosh!! haha
My favorite after testing a looot. Nice To see what you think about satin ! :p
Dude look up ezmix 2 I wanna know if its snake oil before I buy it. please and thanks
It's not snake oil, but it's pretty bad.
Rather of saw u review PressWork from UHe theyre compressor, its easily a top 5 ITB comp.available.
Hey, Wytse! Just suggestion for the next snake oil video: Black Rooster Audio Plugins. They have made emulations of some famous vintage gear like LA2A, Pultec etc. and of course the TAPE. I know you 'love' tape plugins! :)
Crackling noise at irregular intervals ,"Some plugins have it as a feature.", I'm dead. :D
Would you consider covering one of the Sonimus analogue emulated plugins? Either the Britson/Satson consoles, or the new StoneEQ 4K
i use soundtoys tape saturation, but I am starting to like this also must compare them
i will say i am a fan of softubes tape. it is very reel, I think the model is based on your new one Wyke
How's this one compared to the Airwindows ToTape 5 in your opinion?
Track name?
Zeer interessante plugin. Ik denk dar ik me deze ga aanschaffen :)
The demo version of the Satin only differs by having a coffee machine attached to it. It should cost more than the full version.
It’s the Satin Technivorm edition
You should be a consultant for VST developers.
whats the drum break at the beginning test?
Phil’s Cascade. They built a piece of hardware for the sole purpose of being emulated. The hardware is too expensive to be sold. Please review that plugin!
how to make great sound with u he plugins thanks
have you tried Overloud Tools TAPEDESK tape/console plugin?
Is it Night in white (sea) Satin 😁
Is Satin or J37 better for you?
we have original ampex 440 1000series 4 trk 8 trk 16 trc,this plug is very close but its a plug in so its still miles away,tip run it out threw a summing amp of high quality
This thing is awesome for the flanging and tape delay and has some cool sounds, not sure how authentic and I wouldn't put it on everything like I do with slate but a cool thing. That said I use j37 for that vintage lofi slap back.
Please Make a video about Cranesong Phoenix II
Which digital noise reduction plugin / software do you use to denoise stuff you've printed to tape to get the "tape sound?"
Does the digital noise reduction grate on your ears too? To me I have yet to find a noise reducer that doesn't make either watery (small FFT) or metallic (big FFT size) artifacts. I know this sounds silly but I almost would rather deal with noise than those artifacts. Curious about your opinion. As always I love watching your videos! You seem like a great person. My wife has family in Boxtel. It would be fun to buy you a pint some time!