I remember watching these Apaches in the early through late 1980s in Lake Michigan...Grand Haven, Saugatuck, South Haven. Apache has always been the best looking boat on the water, in my opinion. Nothing touches it for straight-up coolness. It's like the Steve McQueen of boats.
@@tylerdiedrich1947 Well, in reference to "God"---only God Almighty can change the heart of a murderer or ANY MAN. So, hopefully BK has had some time to rethink his life while he's been sitting in prison for all these years for the murder of one of the founding fathers of Offshore type hulls (Don Aronow). I don't wish ill will on any man, but BK is a convicted murder and is sitting in prison for just reasons. So okay, BK won a few races in an Apache when it was born, but it does not make the man a hero or model citizen in the way that you think he is or want to believe he is. If you want to worship BK, then that is your own choice, but posting the words----"God speed Ben Kramer shame he is still in all these years later"---- you should probably expect some push -back and I think your comment is outrageous just to put it out there like it should or will be widely accepted. Like I said before, only God Almighty can truly change the heart of a man IF the man will accept and allow God into his life. That goes for ANY person and I truly have that hope for BK, but for now he must pay the price for his crimes to society and be punished justly for his actions. I hope BK makes the "turn" towards God for his own life and repent just as ANY MAN needs to do prison or not---we ALL fall short. In the mean time, yeah--- those Apaches are some badass boats !!!
My previous post is seen with lines going thru my words, but it is not an attempt to detract what I have sais in my previous statement....I intended and meant every word I typed. It appears there is a flaw in the system.
Ben and Bob did race a 41', this is the first 47' hull, from what I gathered it was completed in at the end of 86 and Ben went to prison in 87. I don't think it was ever raced.
I use to clean boats bsck in 76 in the warehouse fscing biscayne blvd when it was cigarette stan brunner was selling cigs and magnums i feel in love with the 27 mag at 12 years old ..anyway later on kept my boat there same warehoude were they are pulling out the apache from who would of known johny and mike would end up buying it years later TNT....thomas and Tomlinson..grew up with jt . my first rottweiler i got from mike back in 1985...bad ass boat tho .
Yes, they have a high pitched ripping tone and sound to them for sure---could be because of the "Y"-pipes (tailpipes) and maybe the Hilborne velocity stack fuel injection system on the engines. I'm curious to know what kind of compression his engines have as it could also have an effect on the overall sound/tone of the engines. They sound great!
@@alexanderleslie4226 He will be free if and when he pays his debt to society---he's was involved in the murder of Don Aronow, inventor of the Apache hull design---too bad we cannot bring Don A back to life.
Growing up in south Florida on the water. I got a bit early in life about the powerboats. In my 20s started going to the OPT-APBA graces Always loved watching the 47 Apaches My second boat was a 22 Apache
I'd love more content about the motors. They don't sound like a traditional, deep/rumbly, 500+ ci big block. They sound like they spool up pretty high on the revs.
@@signoresantinoburnett1169 Two Merc 1850's and she'd be front page new's stepped hull don't mean S if the hulls not really in the water one less engine you could run less ballast in that tomahawk nose and be lighter faster more stable at the same time modern props and outdrives plus the right team it'd compete today.
@@signoresantinoburnett1169 From what I've heard, they are still the old N/A engines that has been rebuilt by Sterling. Nothing modern about that. I suppose what would define a modern repower would be a triplet of Merc 860's, Coan two speed transmissions and ASD 8-6's.
@@lukebossert I think Johnny over at TNT is more eligible for that kind of praise. And greatest throttleman? Steve Curtis is probably the guy for that to be honest.
Way too much. Fuel to run a boat with three inboards it's not worth it Burns too much fuel I'm not enough speed you buy yourself a cat 400 Mercury outboard and you'll run all day at 100 very little maintenance it's the cheapest way to go fast and Monday go back to work at the office
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I remember watching these Apaches in the early through late 1980s in Lake Michigan...Grand Haven, Saugatuck, South Haven. Apache has always been the best looking boat on the water, in my opinion. Nothing touches it for straight-up coolness. It's like the Steve McQueen of boats.
Agreed!
Thanks for your comment and for watching!
I still watch old reruns of the lake Michigan races
Mid 83-85 we had a race out of Northport. A little town at the tip of grand traverse bay. It was pretty awesome
Please mic the engine compartment on the next run!!!
They are 572ci big block Chevys with Hillborn injection. I think they said each one of the 3 engines make 850hp
Lots of history and controversy right there. I’ve always loved that boat. Those were the golden years of offshore.
Amen.
V-hauls rule the great lakes. Been lucky enough to be out in cats and Vs and Vs just crush the rough stuff
I see my grandfathers name on the side, Bobby Moore
Would rather hear the engines than the musuc
When it comes to rough Waves Apaches is the goat End of story!
The music has got to go.
Apaches bring their own music. Not needed on this video. Wanted to hear those trips
Free Ben!!! 🎉
Damn! I love that pure 8-into-1 headers X 3! ❤ I love that sound!❤
What a great old boat...still flying man if she had hull steps keep her up on top.
Looks like it’s doing 100mph even when it’s at dock. Great looking machine.
Nice to see that legend alive and well
Absolutely!!! 🔥🔥🔥💪🏼
@@lukebossert Luke the owner is a lucky guy what a blast from the past ! God speed ben Kramer shame he is still in all these years later
@@tylerdiedrich1947 Well, in reference to "God"---only God Almighty can change the heart of a murderer or ANY MAN. So, hopefully BK has had some time to rethink his life while he's been sitting in prison for all these years for the murder of one of the founding fathers of Offshore type hulls (Don Aronow). I don't wish ill will on any man, but BK is a convicted murder and is sitting in prison for just reasons. So okay, BK won a few races in an Apache when it was born, but it does not make the man a hero or model citizen in the way that you think he is or want to believe he is. If you want to worship BK, then that is your own choice, but posting the words----"God speed Ben Kramer shame he is still in all these years later"---- you should probably expect some push -back and I think your comment is outrageous just to put it out there like it should or will be widely accepted. Like I said before, only God Almighty can truly change the heart of a man IF the man will accept and allow God into his life. That goes for ANY person and I truly have that hope for BK, but for now he must pay the price for his crimes to society and be punished justly for his actions. I hope BK makes the "turn" towards God for his own life and repent just as ANY MAN needs to do prison or not---we ALL fall short. In the mean time, yeah--- those Apaches are some badass boats !!!
My previous post is seen with lines going thru my words, but it is not an attempt to detract what I have sais in my previous statement....I intended and meant every word I typed. It appears there is a flaw in the system.
@@DuneWest I agree only god can judge us and change are hearts ! I wasn’t aware he was convicted for killing Don!
She’ll smooth right out with some weight in the bow! 😊
This boat definitely runs better under load.
Trim
Like 500 keys!!
Probably running on a quarter of a tank.
more trim down i think will help
Apache and Donzi's always my favorite!
You know you have to put Fountain in that group.
What About Cigarette?🤔👍🏻
I could have sworn when Ben and Bob were racing it was a 41’ Apache, not a 47’
Ben and Bob did race a 41', this is the first 47' hull, from what I gathered it was completed in at the end of 86 and Ben went to prison in 87. I don't think it was ever raced.
Nice little vid! Is Lorne still waiting on scheduling finishing the crack repair?
Yes sir! Testing to make sure no more stress cracks appeared!
This boat is huge! Over 20,000 pounds of mass!
Naah, this one is probably more like 13,000. It's a race boat. There isn't anything up front and it's a kevlar hull.
Awesome footage! Love that Apache
Thank you! Such an awesome boat!!!
I use to clean boats bsck in 76 in the warehouse fscing biscayne blvd when it was cigarette stan brunner was selling cigs and magnums i feel in love with the 27 mag at 12 years old ..anyway later on kept my boat there same warehoude were they are pulling out the apache from who would of known johny and mike would end up buying it years later TNT....thomas and Tomlinson..grew up with jt .
my first rottweiler i got from mike back in 1985...bad ass boat tho .
Those engines have a unique and beautiful snarl to them
Yes, they have a high pitched ripping tone and sound to them for sure---could be because of the "Y"-pipes (tailpipes) and maybe the Hilborne velocity stack fuel injection system on the engines. I'm curious to know what kind of compression his engines have as it could also have an effect on the overall sound/tone of the engines. They sound great!
Ilmore engines have the same high pitched fast rumble. Definitely a unique sound!
I got to see the 47 ft. Apache crush Haulover Inlet but it is always calm when it comes out.
And you all think your midnight express is cool 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The boat will never be the same again after they cracked the hall
Nope. Old resin bucket.
WTF on earth would you play music over the sweet sweet sound of those engines, what a shame this video is
I thought the hull was cracked?
It was cracked a couple times in big waves! Repaired now and It was in primer the day we went out, will be painted soon!
Nice how’s Ben doing did the feds free him good guy
What? That is gibberish.
@@AB-80X”nice. How’s Ben doing? Did the feds free him? Good guy.”
Best V Hull of all time need big balls to drive her right.
Free Ben Kramer every way till tuesday!!
Got that right!!
@@alexanderleslie4226 He will be free if and when he pays his debt to society---he's was involved in the murder of Don Aronow, inventor of the Apache hull design---too bad we cannot bring Don A back to life.
Music overlay is brutal
Warpath hull number one was a 41.
🔥 🔥 beautiful boat!
One of my favorites!!!
Growing up in south Florida on the water. I got a bit early in life about the powerboats.
In my 20s started going to the OPT-APBA graces
Always loved watching the 47 Apaches
My second boat was a 22 Apache
I'd love more content about the motors. They don't sound like a traditional, deep/rumbly, 500+ ci big block. They sound like they spool up pretty high on the revs.
This boat needs modern power!!
I believe it's been repowered with Sterlings.
@@signoresantinoburnett1169 Two Merc 1850's and she'd be front page new's stepped hull don't mean S if the hulls not really in the water one less engine you could run less ballast in that tomahawk nose and be lighter faster more stable at the same time modern props and outdrives plus the right team it'd compete today.
@@signoresantinoburnett1169 From what I've heard, they are still the old N/A engines that has been rebuilt by Sterling. Nothing modern about that.
I suppose what would define a modern repower would be a triplet of Merc 860's, Coan two speed transmissions and ASD 8-6's.
Jealousy will get you nowhere in life Skippy
@@bbrcummins1984 Neither will a cummins!!
In the history books
I know it has trips but what power?? There'a 47Fountain in Sweden with trip 1350s running over 130. If this boat had steps it might run 115+/-.
bow is too high...more trim down and will runs better
I'll click on anything Apache.
2:34 when he got on thr throttles she took offfffff
Love it!!!
🔥🔥🔥
I miss the coke years. 🥺
NIce 😉🤙
What a boat.
It says rigged by Bobby Moore-the Race Rock guy?
Offshore racer and greatest throttleman/rigger!
@@lukebossert Don't let Bob hear you say that.
@@lukebossert I think Johnny over at TNT is more eligible for that kind of praise. And greatest throttleman? Steve Curtis is probably the guy for that to be honest.
@@AB-80X all great racers!
Thats my grandfather. bobby moore. one of the greatest!
Do you have the complete details on the boat the way it is now? Engines, power, top speed, fuel consumption etc
Triple engines modified with sterling components that push 750-800 hp with 12:1 compression.
Triple engines modified with sterling components that push 750-800 hp with 12:1 compression.
Cooool factor 💯
For sure!!! 🔥
Way too much. Fuel to run a boat with three inboards it's not worth it Burns too much fuel I'm not enough speed you buy yourself a cat 400 Mercury outboard and you'll run all day at 100 very little maintenance it's the cheapest way to go fast and Monday go back to work at the office
It all costs money inboards are cheaper engines to build. 30k in an inboard gets you 800-1000hp
30k in an outboard gets you 300hp
Ben Kramer, besides being a drug dealer, murdered Don Aronow the founder of Cigarette. There is not anything special about him or his boat.
Ben didn't murder Don and nobody close to him believes he did. Don was selling boats to drug runners and the feds. That's what killed Don.