The Wooden Coaches are from the mid/late 1870's to early 1890's era. At the the 3:10 to 3:34 mark... that faded red & blue/white striped unit is NOT a rail car.... it is a F Series "B" unit (cabless) EMD locomotive, from 1946 through early 1953, it "could" be also the earlier FT series "B" unit from 1939 but I doubt it from the side panel design. Most likely it's an F7 "B" (stands for booster... as in extra power) unit going by the "porthole" type side windows on it and would have been powered with the first generation 567 series prime mover rated at 1,500hp (567ci per cylinder with an 8.5 inch Bore X 10 inch stroke 45 degree V).
@@BNSFFur that’s what I was thinking. Granted he’s not a former but a typical trespasser using ‘abandoned train station’ and ‘no trespassing’ a million times when he’s actually trespassing. I’m sure he can get prosecuted for retroactively for trespassing and broadcasting the private areas of this property causing more trespassers to enter.
This will definitely revamp/recall or resurrect my memory about when I first saw the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk cartoon mural that shows the red male cartoon potato which was standing on the railroad tracks while the green steam engine train was approaching him. The Boardwalk patrons felt free to put their faces and bodies in this scene. It didn't say, come see the fabulous boot hill express. This was back in 1976. 🥔 🍠 🥔 😀 😄 🤣 😉 😆 😳 😀
If you do want to explore this area please DO NOT VANDALIZE THINGS - this railway is a part of history for the area and San Diego and needs to be respected, understood and learned from. Not torn apart because people are 'bored'.
At 3:30 the one with the 'Private Property' sign is a F-7 'B' type diesel locomotive. It was used for the addition of power to the F-7 'A' type, the engineer that ran the train was in.
Good report, 360 Terrain. Viewers will no doubt respect you for -- respecting other people's property(ies) by not trespassing, just for the sake of your curiosity (a trait most of us share) or, to please your inquisitive audience. Your put-down comment about those who do graffiti is spot on. I admire you for "going the extra mile" and at least attempting to ask the owners you encountered for permission. Sadly, Jacumba looks like "a pit" of a town. Campo, perhaps a half-hour drive's west, has done alright with its railroad museum and tourist train ride. Perhaps the "genius" who bought the commercial district could research duplicating that. The terrain is SO incredible. I marvel at it semi-regularly driving back and forth from southern California to Yuma in order to visit relatives. But, I've never gotten off Interstate 8 between Alpine (east of San Diego) and Ocotillo, west of El Centro. Watching your report makes me want to explore. Feedback: Please be cautious of waving the camera too much. While you're doing it "in the moment," it doesn't seem like much. But, upon viewing it, you'll notice any movements are exaggerated on screen, resulting in: "too shaky, I think I'll fast forward past this part." Your still photography and your selection of subjects is superb. "Thumbs up!" As I've commented elsewhere on UA-cam regarding this part of the country, be sure and check out the 2016 (Blu Ray and DVD) restored version of "Beggars of Life." It's a fantastic drama that was filmed all along this photogenic stretch of the San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railroad. The cast (including Wallace Beery and the luminous Louise Brooks) and crew from Hollywood location-housed in Jacumba's only lodging, a two-story hotel. That's a building I'd be determined to locate. Don't let the motion picture's 1928 date put you off. It's compelling, adventurous, exciting, scenic. In addition to being a railfan's wet dream, there's a believable love story within all the this. Okay, 360 Terrain, Happy Hunting for new adventures to entertain and enthrall us.
Thank you very much I will put that in Motion, and yes the trespassing thing I just don't like doing. Well thank you for the support and watch the news video I just put up and tell me what you all think
The first three wooden coaches, 1, Late 1870s-80s ( Open End Platforms), 2. Wooden coaches w/o overhanging end rooves, nor open-ended platforms, 1890s thru1900s. The equipment on the tracks 1. All Metal Caboose, 2. Next to the shed was an EMD F7B booster unit, 3. 1940s thru early 1970x aluminum or steel coach or lounge car, 4. Baggage Car, 5. wide vision caboose, 6. & 7. ex-Spirit of Washington Dinner Train F7As, nose to nose, 8 & 9 ex-Union Pacific hood diesels.
Its not a train, a train is a locomotive and cars as one unit, thats an 1880s railroad car andit looks like they are just derelict but purposely put there because they arent on rails and have there trucks removed, the aluminium pullman coach and B unit locomotive (no cab aux unit) are from the 50s.
It's not abandoned, but then you wouldn't know to search to find out that the property is still owned by the City of San Diego Metropolitan Transit Board, though not currently in service. It has been leased out two 2 different companies that failed to reopen the railroad. It is currently under lease to a new entity that also has plans to reopen the line for freight service from Tijuana, BC, Mexico connecting to the US to the East.
If they reopen for transport like they did before that would be great from what we gathered they want to open to public as a ride along but dont know much about new owners and what there plans are. Thanks for the info
Another interesting note- I believe this line may have been operated be the SD&AE RR in the 1980's. In the 1980's TV series "Greatest American Hero", there was an episode where Ralph Hinkley wears his super suit to stop a runaway train. I think I read somewhere that portions of this line up the gorge were used to film the runaway train.
That area where they have the rail road station is now fenced off and controlled by Baja rail who has begun rehabilitation of the line from San ysidro to campo soon they will be working on campo to el Centro and that quiet rail line will be fully operational
440 steam locomotive Baldwin. On display at old Tucson studio. To be fully restored to running condition. Giving ghost train runbys. Up the mountain and back. Locomotive number 11 but was last used the the 1999 movie wild wild west. And annie Oakley some other movies and tv show guest stops. Standard gauge. Was painted as a stand in for 119 for the movie. Was actually used on the Virginia Truckee company. 57 inch driver wheels. Need some boiler work and air compressor and water injecter. Some pressure gauges. But other then that in sturdy shape. Built in 1872. 16 x 24 inch pistons. Along with the old railroad coaches to be restored as well. That. Is the best that i can think of
And some other people used the extra water tank also for Forrest fires. Aside from used as a auxiliary water tender. I wonder if they will have someone buy and run vintage steam locomotives on this line. Back to back with its own two roundhouse and water tower and sand tower. And other structures along this railroad. Like 440 no 11 from old Tucson movie studio in Arizona. Once restored. Back to steam wood burner. That one was last used in the movie wild wild west the 1999 movie. Along with other movies and tv shows.
Them wooden passenger cars mostly by their design and material it would about estimate around 1860's or 1870's and that white railroad car you were looking at was a baggage car for a passenger train
Yep the two engines with “Spirit “ logos are from the Spirit of Washington dinner train . I had the pleasure of taking the trains twice from Renton to the winery in Woodinville Washington. Had a great time and a great dinner. Too bad it no longer runs. It was nice to see the engines again.
What they said in 2013, They don’t own the whole town, exactly, just the 30 or so parcels they purchased in March 2012 for almost $1.5 million. The sale included about 70 percent of the commercial properties on the main drag, Old Highway 80, Landman said. The key attractions were the rundown resort, a lake and the mineral spring, which gushes out at 102 degrees a quarter mile away. The Landmans have experience reviving languishing vacation spots: In 1997 they bought a nearby RV park and turned it into a nudist resort, and for a few years they had shares in an Arizona resort.
Those two train locomotives that have "spirit" on the side of them look exactly like the trains that were called the "spirit", same red & black paint theme, that ran from Renton,WA to Woodinville,WA to the winery.
Those 2 locomotives belonged to the Washington Central Railroad (WCRC) before the Carrizo Gorge Railway (CZRY) acquired them according to some quick internet research I did. When the CZRY acquired them they left the word "Spirit" on the side, but painted out the "of Washingon" part and left the rest of the paint scheme as it was. It's the same locomotives, just now owned by a different railroad (if the CZRY is still in business).
I thought those were the trains. The tracks that those trains ran on where converted from rails to trails. Thanks for the info on those trains & sharing this video
That's pretty awesome I would like to know about that I always thought it would be an investment to fix one up and have it shipped railway to any state you want to live in for a. Of time
Hello,i can't figure out your video about jacumba,u must have gone their in some other planet,i did a google search of Jacumba,and their still going strong in 2018 on trip advisor?.
a caboose i played in a lot of those when i was a child , fond memories . got cought by the c/o bull some to , scary / some just a kid lived their at a terminal had a lot of fun
You showed the open batt box on the siverliner they are called edision batt go by the cupler you see 3 hoses left to right issteam heat next is air brake next is conductors signal to enginere have fun enjoy vening atrain nut see you at the yard
360 Terrain - The " B " unit locomotive, that 2nd Stroke Diesel Power explained, would be coupled between the streamlined diesel locomotives with the cabs ( They are" A " units ). The backsides of the streamlined locomotives would be facing the ends of the " B " unit. The caboose with the cupola that is wider than the body, is called an " Extended Vision Caboose ".
If you want me to explore this area again let me know???
Yes, please explore it again. I used to live in the desert, and I miss it very much. I enjoy seeing it.
Yes, explore it again! Btw, that shaft may have been for an out house.
Yes explore more
The Wooden Coaches are from the mid/late 1870's to early 1890's era.
At the the 3:10 to 3:34 mark... that faded red & blue/white striped unit is NOT a rail car.... it is a F Series "B" unit (cabless) EMD locomotive, from 1946 through early 1953, it "could" be also the earlier FT series "B" unit from 1939 but I doubt it from the side panel design. Most likely it's an F7 "B" (stands for booster... as in extra power) unit going by the "porthole" type side windows on it and would have been powered with the first generation 567 series prime mover rated at 1,500hp (567ci per cylinder with an 8.5 inch Bore X 10 inch stroke 45 degree V).
The dude is a moron
Also that coach behind the f7b, is a old amtrak phase 1 coach
@@BNSFFur how is he moron?
Could that be an old Santa Fe B unit ??
@@BNSFFur that’s what I was thinking. Granted he’s not a former but a typical trespasser using ‘abandoned train station’ and ‘no trespassing’ a million times when he’s actually trespassing. I’m sure he can get prosecuted for retroactively for trespassing and broadcasting the private areas of this property causing more trespassers to enter.
This will definitely revamp/recall or resurrect my memory about when I first saw the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk cartoon mural that shows the red male cartoon potato which was standing on the railroad tracks while the green steam engine train was approaching him. The Boardwalk patrons felt free to put their faces and bodies in this scene. It didn't say, come see the fabulous boot hill express. This was back in 1976. 🥔 🍠 🥔 😀 😄 🤣 😉 😆 😳 😀
The wood carriages are 1878-1910.
still current here in Straya , Mate
I would guess the old wooden passsenger car is around 1890s
Those super liners are from runaway train 1985
If you do want to explore this area please DO NOT VANDALIZE THINGS - this railway is a part of history for the area and San Diego and needs to be respected, understood and learned from. Not torn apart because people are 'bored'.
At 3:30 the one with the 'Private Property' sign is a F-7 'B' type diesel locomotive. It was used for the addition of power to the F-7 'A' type, the engineer that ran the train was in.
Love that old tiny short tanker railcar👍
Good report, 360 Terrain. Viewers will no doubt respect you for -- respecting other people's property(ies) by not trespassing, just for the sake of your curiosity (a trait most of us share) or, to please your inquisitive audience. Your put-down comment about those who do graffiti is spot on. I admire you for "going the extra mile" and at least attempting to ask the owners you encountered for permission.
Sadly, Jacumba looks like "a pit" of a town. Campo, perhaps a half-hour drive's west, has done alright with its railroad museum and tourist train ride. Perhaps the "genius" who bought the commercial district could research duplicating that. The terrain is SO incredible. I marvel at it semi-regularly driving back and forth from southern California to Yuma in order to visit relatives. But, I've never gotten off Interstate 8 between Alpine (east of San Diego) and Ocotillo, west of El Centro. Watching your report makes me want to explore.
Feedback: Please be cautious of waving the camera too much. While you're doing it "in the moment," it doesn't seem like much. But, upon viewing it, you'll notice any movements are exaggerated on screen, resulting in: "too shaky, I think I'll fast forward past this part."
Your still photography and your selection of subjects is superb. "Thumbs up!"
As I've commented elsewhere on UA-cam regarding this part of the country, be sure and check out the 2016 (Blu Ray and DVD) restored version of "Beggars of Life." It's a fantastic drama that was filmed all along this photogenic stretch of the San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railroad. The cast (including Wallace Beery and the luminous Louise Brooks) and crew from Hollywood location-housed in Jacumba's only lodging, a two-story hotel. That's a building I'd be determined to locate. Don't let the motion picture's 1928 date put you off. It's compelling, adventurous, exciting, scenic. In addition to being a railfan's wet dream, there's a believable love story within all the this.
Okay, 360 Terrain, Happy Hunting for new adventures to entertain and enthrall us.
SC Vandy -
Thank you very much I will put that in Motion, and yes the trespassing thing I just don't like doing. Well thank you for the support and watch the news video I just put up and tell me what you all think
The 7up is 50s Mar is60s
Great tour of that area I respect you highly for respecting others property at least you tried to ask permission but nice catch enjoyed it much......
The first cars are pretty 1910 stop using wood frame 1920 fed law car with pirtholes might be f unit b unit theamtrack is 50;SS tune bl r rr
Red and blacks appear to be two old EMD diesel locommotives and one EMD B unit hitched to the Amtrak silverliner. Thanks for posting.
The two locomotives with "Spirit" appear to be the old Spirit of Washington Dinner Train.
My guess would be these units
Two EMD F7As 100 & 102, ex-WCRC, née B&LE.
One EMD F7B 101, ex-WCRC, née B&LE.
Yeah those super liners look like from the movie runaway train 1985
The coaches with the woodside panels look to be around 1894 to 1897 the steel coaches from 1899 to 1911
The 2 red locomotives are from the sprit of Washington dinner train used to run out of Tacoma Washington
The first three wooden coaches, 1, Late 1870s-80s ( Open End Platforms), 2. Wooden coaches w/o overhanging end rooves, nor open-ended platforms, 1890s thru1900s.
The equipment on the tracks 1. All Metal Caboose, 2. Next to the shed was an EMD F7B booster unit, 3. 1940s thru early 1970x aluminum or steel coach or lounge car, 4. Baggage Car, 5. wide vision caboose, 6. & 7. ex-Spirit of Washington Dinner Train F7As, nose to nose, 8 & 9 ex-Union Pacific hood diesels.
HunterR909 wow that's very cool
Where specifically was this?
Wow an old Amtrak silver liner coach that still has the Amtrak logo
Would make one helluva old-timey diner! Seating for 100!
ex Santa Fe, 44-Seat Coach, ex-AT&SF #2869, P-S, 1947 info is from rrpicture-archives
Its not a train, a train is a locomotive and cars as one unit, thats an 1880s railroad car andit looks like they are just derelict but purposely put there because they arent on rails and have there trucks removed, the aluminium pullman coach and B unit locomotive (no cab aux unit) are from the 50s.
It's not abandoned, but then you wouldn't know to search to find out that the property is still owned by the City of San Diego Metropolitan Transit Board, though not currently in service. It has been leased out two 2 different companies that failed to reopen the railroad. It is currently under lease to a new entity that also has plans to reopen the line for freight service from Tijuana, BC, Mexico connecting to the US to the East.
If they reopen for transport like they did before that would be great from what we gathered they want to open to public as a ride along but dont know much about new owners and what there plans are. Thanks for the info
Drinking game. Every time he says, "Pretty cool", drink. You're gonna be SO drunk!
jimi hendrix lol right sorry about that lol
If you don't want to get that drunk, try taking a drink every time that he says "Actually". You may not get drunk but you'll have quite a buzz!
Here I thought it was a nice place it's just California what a let down
Pre 1930's era. Everything after that was stainless steel Budd coaches.
Another interesting note- I believe this line may have been operated be the SD&AE RR in the 1980's. In the 1980's TV series "Greatest American Hero", there was an episode where Ralph Hinkley wears his super suit to stop a runaway train. I think I read somewhere that portions of this line up the gorge were used to film the runaway train.
thanks for sharing those old passenger cars are late 1800 to the 1900
Very nice video and fun to watch. Have a nice day.
I think that they’re trained 1899 or earlier.
That area where they have the rail road station is now fenced off and controlled by Baja rail who has begun rehabilitation of the line from San ysidro to campo soon they will be working on campo to el Centro and that quiet rail line will be fully operational
EL NINO RUDO great info thank you very much.
So this is part of the Campo museum on?
So many promises to rehab this line...all broken. It'll never happen!!!
440 steam locomotive Baldwin. On display at old Tucson studio. To be fully restored to running condition. Giving ghost train runbys. Up the mountain and back. Locomotive number 11 but was last used the the 1999 movie wild wild west. And annie Oakley some other movies and tv show guest stops. Standard gauge. Was painted as a stand in for 119 for the movie. Was actually used on the Virginia Truckee company. 57 inch driver wheels. Need some boiler work and air compressor and water injecter. Some pressure gauges. But other then that in sturdy shape. Built in 1872. 16 x 24 inch pistons. Along with the old railroad coaches to be restored as well. That. Is the best that i can think of
Looks like Jacumba (the Southern Pacific station on the Carrizo Gorge line from San Diego to Plaster City/El Centro.
The water tank car. Used as a extra water tender for steam locomotives for the long journey
Joey Pincombe wow didnt know that
Nope--used for putting out fires.
Check inside walls pre 20centry was pot belly post 1900is vapor heat system that ran off the steam engine parts are hard to come by for repairs
I would make a guesstimate that those old wood passenger cars were from the 1920's.
And some other people used the extra water tank also for Forrest fires. Aside from used as a auxiliary water tender. I wonder if they will have someone buy and run vintage steam locomotives on this line. Back to back with its own two roundhouse and water tower and sand tower. And other structures along this railroad. Like 440 no 11 from old Tucson movie studio in Arizona. Once restored. Back to steam wood burner. That one was last used in the movie wild wild west the 1999 movie. Along with other movies and tv shows.
Joey Pincombe that would be awesome if they did
The gray coach with the blue and red lines is an amtrak coach
I agree with the comment below about your respecting the 'no trespassing.' There should be more of that on UA-cam.
Thank You For That, I believe in obeying what's in front of me
very nice video!
Thomas1980 thank you I try
Them wooden passenger cars mostly by their design and material it would about estimate around 1860's or 1870's and that white railroad car you were looking at was a baggage car for a passenger train
I think more like 1920s to 30s
It is the 2nd kind of train car ever made, it had those vents on the top, for the heaters from the smoke.
god, I wish I knew what Souther Pacific caboose # that was, poor thing! Makes me sad, as do ALL abandoned trains and buildings and ROW's. :(
What is/was that gosh awful noise around halfway through when you were showing the back of the Jacumba station/outside of SuperQuiet PAC?
gomphrena the super quiet Pac is actually a generator that provides electricity for those properties
EL NINO RUDO • okay.. thank you.
gomphrena they were remodeling the station if that's what the noise was they are using power tools and saws
gomphrena that was a baby screaming.
The research I found says that after several failed attempts at private business with these cars they were sold off due to asbestos hazards.
The wooden ones are 1880 ish and this is prbably a railroad restoration museum in process.
They will probly have trips and tours in the near future.
At 3:33 you can kinda make out Amtrak’s original paint sceam on the passenger car
Cool👍👍👍👍 I use to find a abandenden railroad tracks and a caboose!
What do mean old?. They just came in from Seattle.
The old wooden passenger cars were built by the Pullman company 1880.
Double C Ranch?
Manufactured in 1910
Last car with the lights on the ceiling was a theatrical show car for concerts/plays for road shows! Probably the home of artists!
2:10 the red one is a "B" unit or a cabless diesel locomotive
The Railroad Coach May have been built in the 1880s or 1890s.
Jacumba Hot Springs, CA
Nice vedio
The money is in the trucks.......Notice the wooden cars they were all missing.
Do you have the address for this location i would love to visit
This is a Pretty Cool Video 🤘
0:14 ¿Y ese mono diabólico?...
That red 101 is an locomotive.. B unit. Plus 1 more B and A unit later in video 6:50
It's been awhile since Jacumba was bought and it was by mistake for 1.5M
Yep the two engines with “Spirit “ logos are from the Spirit of Washington dinner train . I had the pleasure of taking the trains twice from Renton to the winery in Woodinville Washington. Had a great time and a great dinner. Too bad it no longer runs. It was nice to see the engines again.
Just a thought...try getting a drone. Let's you get a good picture without trespassing. ✌😊
You can still get a trespassing charge if they get the right attorney....some people and organizations just want to be left alone....
That wooden car probably is late 19th century in my opinion.
Union Pacific 4423 1890 to 1920’s.
What they said in 2013, They don’t own the whole town, exactly, just the 30 or so parcels they purchased in March 2012 for almost $1.5 million. The sale included about 70 percent of the commercial properties on the main drag, Old Highway 80, Landman said. The key attractions were the rundown resort, a lake and the mineral spring, which gushes out at 102 degrees a quarter mile away.
The Landmans have experience reviving languishing vacation spots: In 1997 they bought a nearby RV park and turned it into a nudist resort, and for a few years they had shares in an Arizona resort.
360 Terrai
Pretty cool. Pretty cool.Pretty cool after ool.
Those two train locomotives that have "spirit" on the side of them look exactly like the trains that were called the "spirit", same red & black paint theme, that ran from Renton,WA to Woodinville,WA to the winery.
Those 2 locomotives belonged to the Washington Central Railroad (WCRC) before the Carrizo Gorge Railway (CZRY) acquired them according to some quick internet research I did. When the CZRY acquired them they left the word "Spirit" on the side, but painted out the "of Washingon" part and left the rest of the paint scheme as it was. It's the same locomotives, just now owned by a different railroad (if the CZRY is still in business).
I thought those were the trains. The tracks that those trains ran on where converted from rails to trails. Thanks for the info on those trains & sharing this video
Bay window caboose. 1935 to 1939 the amtrak coaches from 1970 to 1983
Yeah man I'd say it's fairly old and judging by the window paint I'd say that was an old store .
Spirit of Washington dinner train, I have ridden behind those engines.
these trains are part of history
I think the piece of wood train is from the 1840s
THE TRAINS ARE ON PUPLICE WAY YOU CAN FIND THE TRAINS ON GOOGLE MAPS
Those old F-units looked repainted and ready to ship out
Believe it or not I have been in those exact ones when they were used has a home. I know the family that lived in them. One of them was my girlfriend.
That's pretty awesome I would like to know about that I always thought it would be an investment to fix one up and have it shipped railway to any state you want to live in for a. Of time
I think I saw that caboose some where
The wooden railcar was probably built from 1870's to 1890's.
I would say about 1880. I say that because I watch a lot of Western movies and that is what they look like.
Hello,i can't figure out your video about jacumba,u must have gone their in some other planet,i did a google search of Jacumba,and their still going strong in 2018 on trip advisor?.
I wanna say those wooden passenger cars are from the early days of steam locomotives
Beautiful F units !!!
2:05 that is a auxilary water tender
a caboose i played in a lot of those when i was a child , fond memories . got cought by the c/o bull some to , scary / some just a kid lived their at a terminal had a lot of fun
The old car, 1stvone, is prior to Carnegie's steel successes, U would guess, 19th century, 1860's.
Beth Bartlett thank you
The old cars look like conversion into apartments.
1850s or 1860s.
it's so abandoned, even the tracks got up and left
Late 1800s or early 1900s is my best guess
There is no telling what's going on around there it a feeling?
The cars (1920/1950) was driven by let her drive belts orcar to car thick electric cables the plugs were located over the passway head high
You showed the open batt box on the siverliner they are called edision batt go by the cupler you see 3 hoses left to right issteam heat next is air brake next is conductors signal to enginere have fun enjoy vening atrain nut see you at the yard
Ck the hall lights on the cars some cars had co logo other cars like reading had rotating grates on the ceiling fans hope your next film is cool henry
Photo the hall lights so we date it some cars had co logo some had rotating Grail celing fans pre1900 oil lamps were used also got enouf? Henry
Check the axel some came with dierect drive gens post 50s
1850-18?
1890 , 1900 ?
Steel figurines are used for target practice.
I wonder if this is part of Campo railroad museum?
The cover photo is in Jacumba...
Interesting video, greetings fromPoland, +
szlakowiec hello from California
360 Terrain - The " B " unit locomotive, that 2nd Stroke Diesel Power explained, would be coupled between the streamlined diesel locomotives with the cabs ( They are" A " units ). The backsides of the streamlined locomotives would be facing the ends of the " B " unit. The caboose with the cupola that is wider than the body, is called an " Extended Vision Caboose ".
great its still there ,rail bank, future access
probably 1885 or earlier on the cars. My Guess!
Wags Tail love that thank you very much
old pullman cars are from the late 1800s early 1900sthe red and white number 101 is late 40s early 50s the amtrak car is from mid 50s
old wooding railcars are late 1800 to 1900's
that train car was from the 1860.