The Problem with Nitrogen Knife Steels
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- I don't get very many "major" surprised in steel testing but this was one of them. You can read an article covering the same material along with the references used in the video here: knifesteelnerds.com/2022/07/2...
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:25 Heat Treatments
00:52 Vancron composition
01:13 Vancron microstructure
01:21 CATRA Edge Wear
01:41 Uddeholm's Ratings
01:58 Adhesive Wear
02:32 Abrasive Wear
03:04 LC200N and Vanax
03:49 Vanadium Nitrides
04:19 Vancron Toughness
05:39 Toughness-Edge Retention Balance
06:06 Vancron Corrosion Resistance
06:32 Video on Nitrogen stainless steels?
06:52 Patreon plug
07:07 Safety Message
I would definitely love a video about the nitrogen steels.
How is it that knife makers have millions of subscribers but this man doesn't. His videos need to be reference in every comment of every bladesmithing channel on UA-cam till he gets at least a silver UA-cam button.
Thank you for the very important safety information! Esoteric or not, just keep 'em coming😊
I would be interested in pretty much anything regarding steel.
Watching my steel from now on. Thank you for the safety information.
Came here for the steel nerdery, stayed for the safety message. You're doing some stellar work, I appreciate all the effort put into it, thanks for sharing and take care!
Same lol
Definitely interested in the in depth stuff
While the main part of the video was very interesting, the PSA at the end was awsome!
Best safety message I've ever heard!!
Hey what’s up ? I just found this channel reccomended by Jake @ canadian Cutting Edge channel which is a another great channel to watch . I probably won’t comment much because my knowledge level is low on this subject matter but I m glad to be here and eager to learn more. Thank you 😊
Any videos with a detailed explanation on more or less any topic are always great, so i'd welcome deep dive into nitrogen steels. Keep up the amazing work! PS: Still unable to get a first knife in CPM Magna-Cut that i'd like, they fly of the shelves in an instant (or are designs/styles that i'm not interested in).
Vancron is typically my choice for compaction tooling for powder metallurgy parts where galling resistance is critical (particularly for dies where tungsten carbide doesn’t have the toughness).
Definitely count me in on the nitrogen steels, they're quite expensive to get and I'm sort of interested in them, but kind of on the fence as to their value in domestic applications
I too would love an esoteric video about why LC200n and Vanax are limited to ~61rc, maybe juxtaposing them with an unrelated knife steel species of usually high hardness... ZDP-189 comes to mind? This is a very niche channel, lecture as detailed as possible - break out the dry-erase boards or better - mimic Sal’s videos on Khan Academy with on screen drawings (probably low post editing time too). How hardness is achieved, differences in crystal lattice structures, nuances, etc. Also, and this is meant to be constructive and only my opinion - this video felt a touch too quickly orated from script at times, which I can appreciate the necessity to accurately convey complex material, slowing down your cadence would feel more natural to me/improve comprehension. At least that has been my preference/experience of professors of difficult material - that they’ve not so overly polished the lecture it feels too rehearsed, but are actively thinking through the material along with their students. I realize I can replay videos indefinitely, which I do with all sciences because I want to make sure I’m properly and carefully assimilating and integrating the information correctly into my mind. It just felt like I had to replay them a little more than usual. But I also read science material very slowly and carefully... not sure if I’m an outlier in the area, but thought I’d share my feedback. Thank you for the video.
Yes more info on Nitrogen steels thank you
Thank you Larrin. We are interested in any topic you find of relevance in the world of metallurgy.
The ending was the best part 😁
Absolutely. LC200N seems to be the "best marine" knife steel until your steel arrived in the picture. Understanding how LC200N has limited hardness may improve making a corrosion resistant steel with better hardness to toughness ratio.
Vanadis 4 Extra and 52100, are my 2 favorite steels for outdoor fixed blade knives! Either it's a Hunting knife, or a general use belt knife, those steels are the bst for those purposes.
you make them yourself ? or bought knives in those steels ?
I was not prepared for the Steel Cuteness Level at the end of the video. 68-SCL on my meter.
These videos are my favourites
Yes, please do a video on nitrogen steels!!!
Consider a video on the ultimate rust resistant knife steel. Compare all you think are applicable. I'd be interested in seeing Magnacut, LC200N, Vanax, H1.
I loved the safety msg at the end. Good work!
More esoteric content please!! And how cute is your daughter 💕
Random and esoteric are my middle names....bring it on! Great common sense advice given at the end of the video by the way! ...that made me smile.
LOVELY INSIGHTS!
I am interested in the nitrogen steels. I really like lc200n
Good Information!
Thank you KSN
I would listen to an in-depth video/ read report of N2 effects on steels and stainless steels!
This is a very interesting and educational video
Dzięki za przepis na aeb-l 😀 1065 ‚C -50 C gaz do zapalniczek odpuszczanie 180C 61.5hrc 😍😍😍
Try to use John Verhoeven routine.
I would love to see that cinda video.
As someone who just got an LC200N spyderco PS2, im interested. Mine including others have light rust around contact points and laser markings.
I would absolutely be interested in a video about nitrogen steels. From my limited research and understanding I know it’s a very uniquely controlled and precise process to make them and I’d also be interested in what the differences actually are between them(LC200N, Vanax, etc). I also feel like I had a bit of a hard time trying to figure out who actually produces LC200N and/or if there’s more than one company making it.
I didn't understand everything, but the final minute of this video was just fine ;D
I would be very interested in learning about nitrogen stainless steels.
Without referencing material, I would assume the nitrogen steels like vanax and lc200n don't get that high in hrc because of the low levels of carbon and vanadium. Hrc can increas with increasing austenitic grain size and can also depend on the quenching method too.
One thing I know about them, is when you use a protocol that promotes higher hardness with those steels, it will generally significantly hurt the stainlessness of those steels.
@@_BLANK_BLANK yes I do believe that is true. When I was talking about vanax with the guy who provided the protocols to Bohler USA. That was some time ago.
I'm trying to remember his name but its been so long since I've left Instagram that I can't remember off hand.
Very nice video
Thanks to the little nerd for the safety message 👶🏼
Very interesting. Vancron is interesting for cut in 0 gap
I would like to see some real world demonstration of toughness. Like is CPM cru wear really worth using as compared to a higher wear resistant steel based on it's toughness? Things on a graph can often be misleading, and can stray people from buying certain steels (and thus driving the industry in certain directions), when in reality it might not be a concern.
Any plans for Niomax in the near future?
Investigate further into nitrogen steel, please.
Yeah , CTS BD1N and 14c28n
I wish they still made Nitrobe 77🥲
PS: Lovely daughter too!
This is a bit of silly question, but... when you do all these CATRA tests - what do you do with the cut test medium? It has to get annoying having just tons and tons of this stuff for multiple tests.
It goes in the garbage
Vancron: the new frame lock steel insert steel 🤣🤣
It sure seems like the C:N ratio in the VCN hard phases is sub-optimal for hardness - the paper you cited as [4] in the article claims a composition of the carbonitrides that comes out to about 3:2:1 V:N:C (17% atomic carbon), and a brief survey suggests that this composition would be softer than either VN or VC.
"I don't know if random esoteric topics are interesting to people"
My dude you have a UA-cam channel about the nitty gritty of knife steels we're all about the esoteric
Still looks better than vanax and magnacut.
In one metric. If all you care about is edge retention there’s still much better options.
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N690 does not have any nitrogen added to it.
@@KnifeSteelNerds
I think I’ve been confusing n690 with n690co all this time.
Well that was stupid.
You all make wrong nitrogen steel... hardness is not you want ✨🧸✨ 👶
basic esoteric videos
Have you spoken with Roman about this? (Kaseknivesswitzerland) I've had some wild results with one of his blades in Vancron SC hardened to 65.5. It comes back to a hanging hair test passing edge with just stropping but holds an edge seemingly forever. It's really interesting in use...