The Problem with Nitrogen Knife Steels

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  • Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
  • I don't get very many "major" surprised in steel testing but this was one of them. You can read an article covering the same material along with the references used in the video here: knifesteelnerds.com/2022/07/2...
    Timestamps:
    00:00 Intro
    00:25 Heat Treatments
    00:52 Vancron composition
    01:13 Vancron microstructure
    01:21 CATRA Edge Wear
    01:41 Uddeholm's Ratings
    01:58 Adhesive Wear
    02:32 Abrasive Wear
    03:04 LC200N and Vanax
    03:49 Vanadium Nitrides
    04:19 Vancron Toughness
    05:39 Toughness-Edge Retention Balance
    06:06 Vancron Corrosion Resistance
    06:32 Video on Nitrogen stainless steels?
    06:52 Patreon plug
    07:07 Safety Message

КОМЕНТАРІ • 65

  • @_BLANK_BLANK
    @_BLANK_BLANK Рік тому +40

    I would definitely love a video about the nitrogen steels.

  • @johndorlean1133
    @johndorlean1133 Рік тому +4

    How is it that knife makers have millions of subscribers but this man doesn't. His videos need to be reference in every comment of every bladesmithing channel on UA-cam till he gets at least a silver UA-cam button.

  • @canuqc6686
    @canuqc6686 Рік тому +10

    Thank you for the very important safety information! Esoteric or not, just keep 'em coming😊

  • @AustinCherry
    @AustinCherry Рік тому +7

    I would be interested in pretty much anything regarding steel.
    Watching my steel from now on. Thank you for the safety information.

  • @2dividedby3equals666
    @2dividedby3equals666 Рік тому +5

    Came here for the steel nerdery, stayed for the safety message. You're doing some stellar work, I appreciate all the effort put into it, thanks for sharing and take care!

  • @the_sharp_carpenter
    @the_sharp_carpenter Рік тому +5

    Definitely interested in the in depth stuff

  • @OldTantoGuy
    @OldTantoGuy Рік тому +5

    While the main part of the video was very interesting, the PSA at the end was awsome!

  • @steve8553
    @steve8553 Рік тому +5

    Best safety message I've ever heard!!

  • @Hungrybird474
    @Hungrybird474 Рік тому +1

    Hey what’s up ? I just found this channel reccomended by Jake @ canadian Cutting Edge channel which is a another great channel to watch . I probably won’t comment much because my knowledge level is low on this subject matter but I m glad to be here and eager to learn more. Thank you 😊

  • @Hewhotubes
    @Hewhotubes Рік тому +10

    Any videos with a detailed explanation on more or less any topic are always great, so i'd welcome deep dive into nitrogen steels. Keep up the amazing work! PS: Still unable to get a first knife in CPM Magna-Cut that i'd like, they fly of the shelves in an instant (or are designs/styles that i'm not interested in).

  • @hammurambi
    @hammurambi Рік тому +5

    Vancron is typically my choice for compaction tooling for powder metallurgy parts where galling resistance is critical (particularly for dies where tungsten carbide doesn’t have the toughness).

  • @krissteel4074
    @krissteel4074 Рік тому +5

    Definitely count me in on the nitrogen steels, they're quite expensive to get and I'm sort of interested in them, but kind of on the fence as to their value in domestic applications

  • @ElCapAddict
    @ElCapAddict Рік тому +4

    I too would love an esoteric video about why LC200n and Vanax are limited to ~61rc, maybe juxtaposing them with an unrelated knife steel species of usually high hardness... ZDP-189 comes to mind? This is a very niche channel, lecture as detailed as possible - break out the dry-erase boards or better - mimic Sal’s videos on Khan Academy with on screen drawings (probably low post editing time too). How hardness is achieved, differences in crystal lattice structures, nuances, etc. Also, and this is meant to be constructive and only my opinion - this video felt a touch too quickly orated from script at times, which I can appreciate the necessity to accurately convey complex material, slowing down your cadence would feel more natural to me/improve comprehension. At least that has been my preference/experience of professors of difficult material - that they’ve not so overly polished the lecture it feels too rehearsed, but are actively thinking through the material along with their students. I realize I can replay videos indefinitely, which I do with all sciences because I want to make sure I’m properly and carefully assimilating and integrating the information correctly into my mind. It just felt like I had to replay them a little more than usual. But I also read science material very slowly and carefully... not sure if I’m an outlier in the area, but thought I’d share my feedback. Thank you for the video.

  • @elgato3535
    @elgato3535 Рік тому +5

    Yes more info on Nitrogen steels thank you

  • @matusknives
    @matusknives Рік тому +3

    Thank you Larrin. We are interested in any topic you find of relevance in the world of metallurgy.

  • @sharamkh
    @sharamkh Рік тому +3

    The ending was the best part 😁

  • @alphaneuron9045
    @alphaneuron9045 Рік тому +1

    Absolutely. LC200N seems to be the "best marine" knife steel until your steel arrived in the picture. Understanding how LC200N has limited hardness may improve making a corrosion resistant steel with better hardness to toughness ratio.

  • @greekveteran2715
    @greekveteran2715 Рік тому +3

    Vanadis 4 Extra and 52100, are my 2 favorite steels for outdoor fixed blade knives! Either it's a Hunting knife, or a general use belt knife, those steels are the bst for those purposes.

    • @dimmacommunication
      @dimmacommunication Рік тому

      you make them yourself ? or bought knives in those steels ?

  • @coralinealgae
    @coralinealgae Рік тому +3

    I was not prepared for the Steel Cuteness Level at the end of the video. 68-SCL on my meter.

  • @EAwert42
    @EAwert42 Рік тому +2

    These videos are my favourites

  • @dr.g7980
    @dr.g7980 Рік тому +1

    Yes, please do a video on nitrogen steels!!!

  • @alphaneuron9045
    @alphaneuron9045 Рік тому +2

    Consider a video on the ultimate rust resistant knife steel. Compare all you think are applicable. I'd be interested in seeing Magnacut, LC200N, Vanax, H1.

  • @kenh8979
    @kenh8979 Рік тому

    I loved the safety msg at the end. Good work!

  • @johnscarborough4746
    @johnscarborough4746 Рік тому +3

    More esoteric content please!! And how cute is your daughter 💕

  • @gabeeg
    @gabeeg Рік тому +2

    Random and esoteric are my middle names....bring it on! Great common sense advice given at the end of the video by the way! ...that made me smile.

  • @ChateauBeaufort
    @ChateauBeaufort Рік тому +1

    LOVELY INSIGHTS!

  • @updanaki
    @updanaki Рік тому +3

    I am interested in the nitrogen steels. I really like lc200n

  • @richardf9137
    @richardf9137 Рік тому +3

    Good Information!

  • @krustysurfer
    @krustysurfer Рік тому +1

    Thank you KSN

  • @josephsedgedtools6464
    @josephsedgedtools6464 Рік тому +1

    I would listen to an in-depth video/ read report of N2 effects on steels and stainless steels!

  • @kalibmaxwell6394
    @kalibmaxwell6394 Рік тому +1

    This is a very interesting and educational video

  • @lukij8181
    @lukij8181 Рік тому +3

    Dzięki za przepis na aeb-l 😀 1065 ‚C -50 C gaz do zapalniczek odpuszczanie 180C 61.5hrc 😍😍😍

    • @Xmara01
      @Xmara01 Рік тому +1

      Try to use John Verhoeven routine.

  • @damascusthefox
    @damascusthefox Рік тому +2

    I would love to see that cinda video.

  • @thaknobodi
    @thaknobodi Рік тому +1

    As someone who just got an LC200N spyderco PS2, im interested. Mine including others have light rust around contact points and laser markings.

  • @poncho151
    @poncho151 Рік тому +1

    I would absolutely be interested in a video about nitrogen steels. From my limited research and understanding I know it’s a very uniquely controlled and precise process to make them and I’d also be interested in what the differences actually are between them(LC200N, Vanax, etc). I also feel like I had a bit of a hard time trying to figure out who actually produces LC200N and/or if there’s more than one company making it.

  • @dongkhamet1351
    @dongkhamet1351 4 місяці тому

    I didn't understand everything, but the final minute of this video was just fine ;D

  • @RobanyBigjobz
    @RobanyBigjobz Рік тому +2

    I would be very interested in learning about nitrogen stainless steels.

  • @tacticalcenter8658
    @tacticalcenter8658 Рік тому +4

    Without referencing material, I would assume the nitrogen steels like vanax and lc200n don't get that high in hrc because of the low levels of carbon and vanadium. Hrc can increas with increasing austenitic grain size and can also depend on the quenching method too.

    • @_BLANK_BLANK
      @_BLANK_BLANK Рік тому +3

      One thing I know about them, is when you use a protocol that promotes higher hardness with those steels, it will generally significantly hurt the stainlessness of those steels.

    • @tacticalcenter8658
      @tacticalcenter8658 Рік тому +3

      @@_BLANK_BLANK yes I do believe that is true. When I was talking about vanax with the guy who provided the protocols to Bohler USA. That was some time ago.
      I'm trying to remember his name but its been so long since I've left Instagram that I can't remember off hand.

  • @dimmacommunication
    @dimmacommunication Рік тому +2

    Very nice video

  • @nukebert1
    @nukebert1 Рік тому +1

    Thanks to the little nerd for the safety message 👶🏼

  • @TheXevi68
    @TheXevi68 Рік тому

    Very interesting. Vancron is interesting for cut in 0 gap

  • @bas17h4
    @bas17h4 Рік тому

    I would like to see some real world demonstration of toughness. Like is CPM cru wear really worth using as compared to a higher wear resistant steel based on it's toughness? Things on a graph can often be misleading, and can stray people from buying certain steels (and thus driving the industry in certain directions), when in reality it might not be a concern.

  • @Serenewave777
    @Serenewave777 Рік тому +1

    Any plans for Niomax in the near future?

  • @Xmara01
    @Xmara01 Рік тому +3

    Investigate further into nitrogen steel, please.

  • @kknives_switzerland
    @kknives_switzerland Рік тому +9

    I wish they still made Nitrobe 77🥲

  • @ChateauBeaufort
    @ChateauBeaufort Рік тому +1

    PS: Lovely daughter too!

  • @matchesburn
    @matchesburn Рік тому

    This is a bit of silly question, but... when you do all these CATRA tests - what do you do with the cut test medium? It has to get annoying having just tons and tons of this stuff for multiple tests.

  • @SuperSteelSteve
    @SuperSteelSteve Рік тому +2

    Vancron: the new frame lock steel insert steel 🤣🤣

  • @knickly
    @knickly Рік тому

    It sure seems like the C:N ratio in the VCN hard phases is sub-optimal for hardness - the paper you cited as [4] in the article claims a composition of the carbonitrides that comes out to about 3:2:1 V:N:C (17% atomic carbon), and a brief survey suggests that this composition would be softer than either VN or VC.

  • @Cz82
    @Cz82 Рік тому +1

    "I don't know if random esoteric topics are interesting to people"
    My dude you have a UA-cam channel about the nitty gritty of knife steels we're all about the esoteric

  • @DBHHellhound
    @DBHHellhound Рік тому

    Still looks better than vanax and magnacut.

    • @jacobcarter6028
      @jacobcarter6028 Рік тому

      In one metric. If all you care about is edge retention there’s still much better options.

  • @MightyRude
    @MightyRude Рік тому

    ‘’

    • @KnifeSteelNerds
      @KnifeSteelNerds  Рік тому

      N690 does not have any nitrogen added to it.

    • @MightyRude
      @MightyRude Рік тому

      @@KnifeSteelNerds
      I think I’ve been confusing n690 with n690co all this time.
      Well that was stupid.

  • @mustamuri
    @mustamuri 9 місяців тому

    You all make wrong nitrogen steel... hardness is not you want ✨🧸✨ 👶

  • @vyr01
    @vyr01 Рік тому

    basic esoteric videos

  • @maxguitarhero
    @maxguitarhero Рік тому

    Have you spoken with Roman about this? (Kaseknivesswitzerland) I've had some wild results with one of his blades in Vancron SC hardened to 65.5. It comes back to a hanging hair test passing edge with just stropping but holds an edge seemingly forever. It's really interesting in use...