Friendly Tip from the zero users group. Most of us run the bikes with full braking regen but NO rolling regen. This way you can roll down hills and coast, using no power, but if you LIGHTLY touch the front brake lever it’ll turn on regen when you want it. This way you avoid the sudden deceleration you mentioned coming out of cruise.
My friend and I just started riding motorcycle last summer so as far as riding experience goes I'm a noob. He's been riding more than I have. I only got to ride here and there on the weekends since my bike was stored at his house. I've driven clutched machines before having grown up riding atv's as a kid, but I haven't had a clutched sport quad in so long that I'm no longer good at it. Going back to clutching and shift on a quad or dirt bike is fun. Doing it on a road bike is just a big headache. It's one thing to ride off road and stall your bike with no one else around as you can take your time and get comfortable. It's another thing to stall your bike trying to take off from a stop or at a light with an impatient motorist behind you who has no clue of what distance is. I love the riding aspect of motorcycles I don't miss the shifting and clutching in a road environment. I'll save that for off road stuff. I was looking into one of these bikes as it would give me the full bike riding experience without the aggravation of clutching and shifting. Plus I wouldn't have to worry about fueling it up or changing any oil when the time comes. I see a bike as a fuel saver so I don't have to drive my truck all the time. But you're not saving money on fuel if you're still buying fuel for the bike. So something like this makes more sense to me versus a full size car. Especially since my town is nothing but hills, intersections and stop signs so an electric bike would be perfect for the conditions. Since my job is right in town the bike would last a long time on a charge just going back and forth. :)
Great Video. I did my first Firmware update on my SR/S today and it went well with no issues. Love the bike. It works perfect for my purpose. I only charge at home so far.
Great review, Steve. Zero is right over the hill from us in Santa Cruz, and I’ve been following them since their inception. The nice thing about your idea for changing cruise control behavior is that it could likely be done with an software update. One of the things I love about my Tesla is that it does a lot more now than it did when I bought it. I’m watching with interest how Ford and other companies who aren’t used to this business model manage updates. But Zero has a “Silicon Valley” attitude(actually over the hill from SV), and they seem to have a good mindset in this regard.
That screen problem... It is possible that the screen actually has a protective film on it from manufacturing so that is worth checking to see if there is something to peel off. I have known people to miss things like that... for years! If not, it should be possible to get a film like used on phones or tablets.
You could add some static cling film to protect the screen. I don't mean cling wrap, but clear contact paper type material. I've seen sheets for sale that can be trimmed to fit. That way you could wipe it, and replace if it gets too grotty.
Crazy the salesman told you that huge crucial feature was available and here you are 1000 miles later and it's still being postponed. I get you're not the average consumer but if I was a regular guy in that position, buying maybe my only big toy, I'd be looking for some serious recourse from being misled
Learned this sales tip from my uncle, an executive at IBM in the 70s and 80s. He always had his sales team "eat the product". They would literally break it down, do maintenance, go on service calls with the technicians and contribute to technical manuals before they could sell the products. You can tell a good salesman from a lazy one based on their knowledge of the product. If they know it through and through, they're more likely to be good at their jobs.
I asked the salesman if he owned a Zero and was a little surprised he said no. I would have thought they would have found a salesman who was super enthusiastic about them to sell them but that dealer hasn’t sold many of them and probably can’t pay someone to sit there and wait for an interested customer.
At $.15 a KWH how many miles on average does it get? Obviously solar is how I'd like to charge with enough storage for overcast days but I'd like the KWH to miles info as everything else can be figured from there. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, experiences and collection. -- Dave --
Steve thank you for going hard on these electric vehicle reviews. I was born and raised with ICEs and will always love the sounds but these electric vehicles, esp as battery technology advances, are so exciting to see coming out and what IS to come. What I will miss in sounds from an engine I will make up with the absolutely monster of torque picked up by these electric motors. You had me laughing with the "how I typically ride". DO tell, you treat this bike gingerly right? Kid gloves... no judicious use of acceleration eh?
@@ThisWeekWithCars I just watched a tractor pull video with a Rivian. It just felt wrong watching that sled go full pull and no one had to stop their conversations while it was doing it.
I'm excited for it. ICEs have their place but EVs will def be making a large impact. My hope is that EV companies allow us to tinker like we have been able to do with ICEs.
They are very simple and probably easier to modify. Battery, battery management system, motor, and motor controller its a pretty simple system. Doesn't have a hundred sensors that need to monitor a bunch of things.
I was on Zero's site today and saw that you can upgrade from a 14.4 battery to 15.6 for FREE. Did you do the upgrade and if so, how did it affect you range? Also, since you really have a 17.3. battery that is just software limited, you should be able to charge to 100% every time with no stress on the battery. Thanks. Rick
Hi! I plan to buy Zero S 14.4 but worrried about no fast charger at public charge stations. I think the basic model they offered me has no Charge tank installed. I have to travel 250km at Europe and needs a Type 2 fast charge option. (I live in Hungary and Type 2 AC is common here.)
Hi! I plan to buy Zero S 14.4 but worrried about no fast charger at public charge stations. I think the basic model they offered me has no Charge tank installed. I have to travel 250km at Europe and needs a Type 2 fast charge option. (I live in Hungary and Type 2 AC is common here.)
I wonder if prices for these things will ever come down to more affordable levels? Electric motorcycle manufacturers seem to be stuck in a 'catch 22' situation - to reduce prices they need economy of scale in production. To get economy of scale they need to sell lots of units. To sell lots of units they need to be affordable...
The EV market is hot right now I don’t think they will come down in price. There however is an influx of Chinese made EV motorcycles coming and although they are cheap don’t expect a lot in reliable or quality of batteries.
New tech always comes at a premium. Competition will eventually bring it to more affordable prices but not for a while because more people want to buy them than they can produce so to stem the flow and still make lots of profit just charge more than most are willing to pay. I am hankering after one but dont like the price and the games ( pay for extra features that are already on the bike ). I have converted a few push bikes to electric at a fraction if the cost which keep me happy for now.
Hello, May i ask you something based on your experience with an electric motorcycle ? Are they better suited for riding in winter then a fuell motorcycle ? And then i mean against the salt on the road in winter. Or would it be easy to create an extra shield around the motor ? With f.e. some plastic that you could heat up and then putting that around your bike ? So now and then the thought comes up to get rid of my car and go elecric motorcycle. I would like to commute with it. For decades i did not have a car and also in winter went to my job on the bike. This was not always fun. One time it was minus 27 degrees celsius. And needed to buy newspapers at a gasstation for insulation. It was sometimes even dangerous. But so much fun. When riding home you can really clear your mind riding on a bike. And the last 15 years i went for heated gloves, socks and a jacket. I even remember this the first time using those. I almost got emotional.😇 How were the batteries of the Zero after a few years use ? Greetings from the Netherlands,👍
If your battery is up-gradable you can charge to 100% right now as its not really 100% there is a 10% buffer so right now your at 90% when the bike says 100. Put plastic cover screen protector on the screen at new and / or polish out scratches with scratch remover. Turn all power and re gen and torque 100%, use the throttle less use less energy and regen hard, its just physics no fancy modes needed. Want power......... open throttle. You can up cruise speed when already in cruise by opening throttle to required speed and double press set button.
@@ThisWeekWithCars Correct but if you want the fastest way to up the speed to a new faster speed whist in cruise, go to that speed and double press, its quicker / smoother than cancelling, slowing, speeding up, setting. Totaly agree zero should have +/- 1 mph speed increments but i can see lack of buttons / cross functionality meaning this aint gonna happen.
In sports mode my zero SR already does 126mph or 200kmh. Though, I can't add a custom mode with a speed above 100mph. I'm running panel firmware version 23 and battery management firmware version 4 Although there's newer firmware available (24 and 5) I'm hesitant to upgrade because I'm afraid I'll loose the top speed in sports mode. What firmware do you use? And what is your top speed in sports mode?
I'm curious what other bikes you've ridden in your past and how this compares with those? Apple to Oranges I get it, but the comparing notes is still of interest to me. Safety Fast!
I've ridden all kinds of bikes and even ridden in Europe. This is the 11th motorcycle I have owned and there is no comparison it is totally different. Extremely quick and handles like a Grom combined with a Scooter all in a large motorcycle shape.
@@ThisWeekWithCars As a guy with a fleet of fast scooters in his bike collection who thinks Groms are cool, you're really pushing me to trying my first electric. I really like the Supercub clone I just wish it wasn't 30MPH, I could live with at least the performance of a modern 125.
Yeah, the screen is made out of cheese.. mine will scratch just rubbing my clean finger across it. I use my old bottle of Kit Scratch Out to keep it shiny.
If not for the "in app purchases" to unlock hardware **already on the bike**, their extremely anti-right to repair and anti-consumer ideologies, I would consider a Zero since they seem to offer a compelling package. But until they change the way they interact with their customers and the motorcycling community in general, they are a hard no-go.
do you add a pipe and power commander, saddle bags and windscreen? if you have a problem with pay for play buy the premium version, it is that simple, this bike is an option to pay less now and upgrade when you can afford it. I love my sr, and both my Alta's and my Sur Ron . I also have ice bikes and quads and I love them too. electric is just different and way cool.
It would work great for that but you would have to strap it to the bike and carry it with you. You could have a Bluetti and Solar Panel set up at your home and then charge the bike from it completely on solar.
@@ThisWeekWithCars I assume you mean for the longevity , right . And thank for your answer , I don’t really hear much about how to charge other than charge immediately after use . Thanks !
@@LuckysMotorcycles Yeah, it's a longevity thing. Zero has some dummy programming in place so if you're a person that charges to 100% and rides down to 0% there is some safety available for the battery. You're really not charging all the way to max capacity or draining to absolute zero. Their military versions of the same bikes allow you to override the 0% and ride all the way to true zero (hard on the battery, but necessary for an emergency like the military may face.) It's kind of like your phone. They don't truly charge and discharge all the way in order to save the lithium battery. In theory the battery his bike and mine have should last well over 100k miles of real use and are designed for something like 250k miles of real use, which is a LOT of seat time on a motorcycle. I charge mine to 100% and don't worry about it. The 80/20 percent thing holds true for people that drive Teslas for the same reason... battery preservation.
My next bike (fingers crossed) would be electric and it's your EV videos - including the Ford truck - that are finally convincing me. Steve, a question though; are you happy with this bike purchase or do you wish you'd have spent the money on an I.C.E. bike and waited another couple years before going electric?
I still have three ICE engine bikes and I have ridden them maybe once since I got this one. As long as the battery lasts as long as I need it to, I don’t know how long I think that is yet, I will still be happy with the purchase.
The oil will still be used in so many other things though right petrol is just one product, but does beg the question if no one is using petrol what happens to the stuff, maybe use it to generate electricity for the grid which will be struggling lmfao that would be incredibly inefficient.
The idea that I have to pay extra to use the battery capacity and power of the motor to get full speed and range THAT I ALREADY HAVE bought for in the hardware on the bike makes me NOT want to buy a zero. Sure I can see real.upgrades being wirth paying for and is fair enough.
That's not what you are paying for you are paying for all of the software development to add those features to your bike. You buy stuff like this all the time but they don't tell you that you can upgrade them. Same as Microsoft telling you that your computer is too old to fun Windows 11 when it is the same as Windows 10 and the only reason you can't run it is because they decided they didn't want you to.
It comes down to what you use it for if you have a short commute like Steve here must have, or never taking more than 100 mi trips. its would be fine. Now if you have a longer commute like I used to have (now retired) or want to take it on a multi state journey not so much. You can but you have to plan on 100 or so mile stops for what like a hour to recharge. Your whole way of thinking about the pleasure of motoring would have to change.
Parking lots can get a bit weird with people walking in front of you. I've been in a couple of situations that wouldn't have happened on my Harley with straight pipes, but if you ride any type of motorcycle, you need to be looking out for motorists that are not paying attention regardless. The loud pipes thing is overhyped. You simply always keep an eye out for danger no matter what you're on.
Electric cars yes, absolutely? Electric motorcycles absolutely useless. 100 miles is nothing when you want to go for a ride with your buddies on the weekend. They're only good for commuting that's it. Until they can get 3 to 400 miles range. In these bikes. I'm gonna continue to pass on them.
You seem to be really impressed by electric vehicles Steve. I wonder, is the old Electra at least 𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒍𝒚 responsible for this. From what we've seen in your videos, it was just after you started using the Electra that your "conversion" really started. I'm still not convinced by electric vehicles, mainly because of the lack of range, but it's interesting to see someone enjoying them so much.👍👍😁😁
Friendly Tip from the zero users group. Most of us run the bikes with full braking regen but NO rolling regen. This way you can roll down hills and coast, using no power, but if you LIGHTLY touch the front brake lever it’ll turn on regen when you want it. This way you avoid the sudden deceleration you mentioned coming out of cruise.
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My friend and I just started riding motorcycle last summer so as far as riding experience goes I'm a noob. He's been riding more than I have. I only got to ride here and there on the weekends since my bike was stored at his house. I've driven clutched machines before having grown up riding atv's as a kid, but I haven't had a clutched sport quad in so long that I'm no longer good at it. Going back to clutching and shift on a quad or dirt bike is fun. Doing it on a road bike is just a big headache.
It's one thing to ride off road and stall your bike with no one else around as you can take your time and get comfortable. It's another thing to stall your bike trying to take off from a stop or at a light with an impatient motorist behind you who has no clue of what distance is. I love the riding aspect of motorcycles I don't miss the shifting and clutching in a road environment. I'll save that for off road stuff.
I was looking into one of these bikes as it would give me the full bike riding experience without the aggravation of clutching and shifting. Plus I wouldn't have to worry about fueling it up or changing any oil when the time comes. I see a bike as a fuel saver so I don't have to drive my truck all the time. But you're not saving money on fuel if you're still buying fuel for the bike. So something like this makes more sense to me versus a full size car. Especially since my town is nothing but hills, intersections and stop signs so an electric bike would be perfect for the conditions. Since my job is right in town the bike would last a long time on a charge just going back and forth. :)
Thank you for sharing your experience with the bike. Your matter of fact presentation is like a breath of fresh air.
Great Video. I did my first Firmware update on my SR/S today and it went well with no issues. Love the bike. It works perfect for my purpose. I only charge at home so far.
Thanks for sharing, I still have yet to have had to charge anywhere except home so far.
Great to hear real analyse how things are working. Thanks!
The best from Sweden.
Great review, Steve. Zero is right over the hill from us in Santa Cruz, and I’ve been following them since their inception. The nice thing about your idea for changing cruise control behavior is that it could likely be done with an software update. One of the things I love about my Tesla is that it does a lot more now than it did when I bought it. I’m watching with interest how Ford and other companies who aren’t used to this business model manage updates. But Zero has a “Silicon Valley” attitude(actually over the hill from SV), and they seem to have a good mindset in this regard.
That’s why I’m hoping Zero might see this video as they can continually improve the bike with software updates.
That screen problem... It is possible that the screen actually has a protective film on it from manufacturing so that is worth checking to see if there is something to peel off. I have known people to miss things like that... for years! If not, it should be possible to get a film like used on phones or tablets.
You could add some static cling film to protect the screen. I don't mean cling wrap, but clear contact paper type material. I've seen sheets for sale that can be trimmed to fit. That way you could wipe it, and replace if it gets too grotty.
Crazy the salesman told you that huge crucial feature was available and here you are 1000 miles later and it's still being postponed.
I get you're not the average consumer but if I was a regular guy in that position, buying maybe my only big toy, I'd be looking for some serious recourse from being misled
Learned this sales tip from my uncle, an executive at IBM in the 70s and 80s. He always had his sales team "eat the product". They would literally break it down, do maintenance, go on service calls with the technicians and contribute to technical manuals before they could sell the products. You can tell a good salesman from a lazy one based on their knowledge of the product. If they know it through and through, they're more likely to be good at their jobs.
I asked the salesman if he owned a Zero and was a little surprised he said no. I would have thought they would have found a salesman who was super enthusiastic about them to sell them but that dealer hasn’t sold many of them and probably can’t pay someone to sit there and wait for an interested customer.
At $.15 a KWH how many miles on average does it get? Obviously solar is how I'd like to charge with enough storage for overcast days but I'd like the KWH to miles info as everything else can be figured from there. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, experiences and collection.
-- Dave --
I get about 10mi/kWh
@@ThisWeekWithCars Thank you for the response and a lightning fast one at that.
I did the same in my FX - I have 0% torque and 100% regen.
Steve thank you for going hard on these electric vehicle reviews. I was born and raised with ICEs and will always love the sounds but these electric vehicles, esp as battery technology advances, are so exciting to see coming out and what IS to come. What I will miss in sounds from an engine I will make up with the absolutely monster of torque picked up by these electric motors. You had me laughing with the "how I typically ride". DO tell, you treat this bike gingerly right? Kid gloves... no judicious use of acceleration eh?
You very quickly don’t miss the sound because it is that much better in a lot of ways.
@@ThisWeekWithCars I just watched a tractor pull video with a Rivian. It just felt wrong watching that sled go full pull and no one had to stop their conversations while it was doing it.
I saw that video, electric vehicles are going to make ICE vehicles look silly in short time.
I'm excited for it. ICEs have their place but EVs will def be making a large impact. My hope is that EV companies allow us to tinker like we have been able to do with ICEs.
They are very simple and probably easier to modify. Battery, battery management system, motor, and motor controller its a pretty simple system. Doesn't have a hundred sensors that need to monitor a bunch of things.
Good honest review Steve thank you.👍
I was on Zero's site today and saw that you can upgrade from a 14.4 battery to 15.6 for FREE. Did you do the upgrade and if so, how did it affect you range? Also, since you really have a 17.3. battery that is just software limited, you should be able to charge to 100% every time with no stress on the battery. Thanks. Rick
Hi! I plan to buy Zero S 14.4 but worrried about no fast charger at public charge stations.
I think the basic model they offered me has no Charge tank installed.
I have to travel 250km at Europe and needs a Type 2 fast charge option. (I live in Hungary and Type 2 AC is common here.)
Hi! I plan to buy Zero S 14.4 but worrried about no fast charger at public charge stations.
I think the basic model they offered me has no Charge tank installed.
I have to travel 250km at Europe and needs a Type 2 fast charge option. (I live in Hungary and Type 2 AC is common here.)
I wonder if prices for these things will ever come down to more affordable levels?
Electric motorcycle manufacturers seem to be stuck in a 'catch 22' situation - to reduce prices they need economy of scale in production. To get economy of scale they need to sell lots of units. To sell lots of units they need to be affordable...
The EV market is hot right now I don’t think they will come down in price. There however is an influx of Chinese made EV motorcycles coming and although they are cheap don’t expect a lot in reliable or quality of batteries.
New tech always comes at a premium.
Competition will eventually bring it to more affordable prices but not for a while because more people want to buy them than they can produce so to stem the flow and still make lots of profit just charge more than most are willing to pay.
I am hankering after one but dont like the price and the games ( pay for extra features that are already on the bike ).
I have converted a few push bikes to electric at a fraction if the cost which keep me happy for now.
great review 👍👍👍and at 20k not a bad purchase.
Hello,
May i ask you something based on your experience with an electric motorcycle ?
Are they better suited for riding in winter then a fuell motorcycle ? And then i mean against the salt on the road in winter. Or would it be easy to create an extra shield around the motor ? With f.e. some plastic that you could heat up and then putting that around your bike ?
So now and then the thought comes up to get rid of my car and go elecric motorcycle. I would like to commute with it. For decades i did not have a car and also in winter went to my job on the bike. This was not always fun. One time it was minus 27 degrees celsius. And needed to buy newspapers at a gasstation for insulation. It was sometimes even dangerous. But so much fun. When riding home you can really clear your mind riding on a bike. And the last 15 years i went for heated gloves, socks and a jacket. I even remember this the first time using those. I almost got emotional.😇
How were the batteries of the Zero after a few years use ?
Greetings from the Netherlands,👍
If your battery is up-gradable you can charge to 100% right now as its not really 100% there is a 10% buffer so right now your at 90% when the bike says 100. Put plastic cover screen protector on the screen at new and / or polish out scratches with scratch remover. Turn all power and re gen and torque 100%, use the throttle less use less energy and regen hard, its just physics no fancy modes needed. Want power......... open throttle. You can up cruise speed when already in cruise by opening throttle to required speed and double press set button.
That does not change the cruise speed up and down that is just resetting a different speed.
@@ThisWeekWithCars Correct but if you want the fastest way to up the speed to a new faster speed whist in cruise, go to that speed and double press, its quicker / smoother than cancelling, slowing, speeding up, setting. Totaly agree zero should have +/- 1 mph speed increments but i can see lack of buttons / cross functionality meaning this aint gonna happen.
Are there any big differences between this model and the 2022 SR/F Premium?
I think the difference is the standard has a 3kW charger and the premium has a 6kW charger. You might lose the storage area with the premium.
In sports mode my zero SR already does 126mph or 200kmh.
Though, I can't add a custom mode with a speed above 100mph.
I'm running panel firmware version 23 and battery management firmware version 4
Although there's newer firmware available (24 and 5) I'm hesitant to upgrade because I'm afraid I'll loose the top speed in sports mode.
What firmware do you use? And what is your top speed in sports mode?
I'm curious what other bikes you've ridden in your past and how this compares with those? Apple to Oranges I get it, but the comparing notes is still of interest to me. Safety Fast!
I've ridden all kinds of bikes and even ridden in Europe. This is the 11th motorcycle I have owned and there is no comparison it is totally different. Extremely quick and handles like a Grom combined with a Scooter all in a large motorcycle shape.
@@ThisWeekWithCars As a guy with a fleet of fast scooters in his bike collection who thinks Groms are cool, you're really pushing me to trying my first electric.
I really like the Supercub clone I just wish it wasn't 30MPH, I could live with at least the performance of a modern 125.
Go test ride one, you really can't understand until you ride one as it is so different.
Yeah, the screen is made out of cheese.. mine will scratch just rubbing my clean finger across it. I use my old bottle of Kit Scratch Out to keep it shiny.
Is this going to be a electric vehicle channel?
great stuff thanks
great review
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If not for the "in app purchases" to unlock hardware **already on the bike**, their extremely anti-right to repair and anti-consumer ideologies, I would consider a Zero since they seem to offer a compelling package. But until they change the way they interact with their customers and the motorcycling community in general, they are a hard no-go.
do you add a pipe and power commander, saddle bags and windscreen? if you have a problem with pay for play buy the premium version, it is that simple, this bike is an option to pay less now and upgrade when you can afford it. I love my sr, and both my Alta's and my Sur Ron . I also have ice bikes and quads and I love them too. electric is just different and way cool.
I wonder how well the bluetti would charge the bike in a pinch.
It would work great for that but you would have to strap it to the bike and carry it with you. You could have a Bluetti and Solar Panel set up at your home and then charge the bike from it completely on solar.
I wish he would explain the “charge to 70% to save the battery “ that ha said .
It’s not best to charge electric vehicles to 100% unless you have to. It’s not good on the batteries.
@@ThisWeekWithCars I assume you mean for the longevity , right . And thank for your answer , I don’t really hear much about how to charge other than charge immediately after use . Thanks !
@@LuckysMotorcycles Yeah, it's a longevity thing. Zero has some dummy programming in place so if you're a person that charges to 100% and rides down to 0% there is some safety available for the battery. You're really not charging all the way to max capacity or draining to absolute zero. Their military versions of the same bikes allow you to override the 0% and ride all the way to true zero (hard on the battery, but necessary for an emergency like the military may face.) It's kind of like your phone. They don't truly charge and discharge all the way in order to save the lithium battery. In theory the battery his bike and mine have should last well over 100k miles of real use and are designed for something like 250k miles of real use, which is a LOT of seat time on a motorcycle. I charge mine to 100% and don't worry about it. The 80/20 percent thing holds true for people that drive Teslas for the same reason... battery preservation.
My next bike (fingers crossed) would be electric and it's your EV videos - including the Ford truck - that are finally convincing me. Steve, a question though; are you happy with this bike purchase or do you wish you'd have spent the money on an I.C.E. bike and waited another couple years before going electric?
I still have three ICE engine bikes and I have ridden them maybe once since I got this one. As long as the battery lasts as long as I need it to, I don’t know how long I think that is yet, I will still be happy with the purchase.
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just change ur tires bro for those roads
Lots of torque will be ....😳😜
Electric vehicles and loose gravel roads. Get used to that. The tar that binds gravel together is a petrochemical byproduct. No oil, tarmac roads.
The oil will still be used in so many other things though right petrol is just one product, but does beg the question if no one is using petrol what happens to the stuff, maybe use it to generate electricity for the grid which will be struggling lmfao that would be incredibly inefficient.
@@FlyingFun. They wont make any petrol
The idea that I have to pay extra to use the battery capacity and power of the motor to get full speed and range THAT I ALREADY HAVE bought for in the hardware on the bike makes me NOT want to buy a zero.
Sure I can see real.upgrades being wirth paying for and is fair enough.
That's not what you are paying for you are paying for all of the software development to add those features to your bike. You buy stuff like this all the time but they don't tell you that you can upgrade them. Same as Microsoft telling you that your computer is too old to fun Windows 11 when it is the same as Windows 10 and the only reason you can't run it is because they decided they didn't want you to.
It comes down to what you use it for if you have a short commute like Steve here must have, or never taking more than 100 mi trips. its would be fine. Now if you have a longer commute like I used to have (now retired) or want to take it on a multi state journey not so much. You can but you have to plan on 100 or so mile stops for what like a hour to recharge. Your whole way of thinking about the pleasure of motoring would have to change.
The average total commute in the US is 41 miles per day.
In traffic does the lack of engine noise reduce others ability to notice you.
Animals are the only thing that I have found to not notice me.
Parking lots can get a bit weird with people walking in front of you. I've been in a couple of situations that wouldn't have happened on my Harley with straight pipes, but if you ride any type of motorcycle, you need to be looking out for motorists that are not paying attention regardless. The loud pipes thing is overhyped. You simply always keep an eye out for danger no matter what you're on.
Give me ICE anyday over these EV that are not as eco friendly as they make out
You won't say that after you try one and when did I say anything about being eco friendly.
Give me torque. I don't care if it runs on electricity or fetal stem cells.
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Electric cars yes, absolutely? Electric motorcycles absolutely useless. 100 miles is nothing when you want to go for a ride with your buddies on the weekend. They're only good for commuting that's it. Until they can get 3 to 400 miles range. In these bikes. I'm gonna continue to pass on them.
You seem to be really impressed by electric vehicles Steve. I wonder, is the old Electra at least 𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒍𝒚 responsible for this. From what we've seen in your videos, it was just after you started using the Electra that your "conversion" really started. I'm still not convinced by electric vehicles, mainly because of the lack of range, but it's interesting to see someone enjoying them so much.👍👍😁😁
You have to live with one for a week to understand it.