Hey Luke, thank you for the shout-out! My biggest problem with Snugpak is their garbage sleeping bag zippers. I actually own the Journey Solo, which is essentially the same tent. I've been happy with it. Carry on!
Bought one of these in February and took it out for an overnight. Had an unexpected shower pass through for a few hours over the night. The inside of the tent stayed absolutely, positively 100% BONE dry. In the morning all I had to do was give the tarp a few shakes and all the water was off. It didn’t soak into the material like some cheaper tents I’ve used.
I purchased the Ionosphere about 2 years ago after watching your review. It's a good tent for what it is, think upscale bivy bag. Not a lot of room inside, especially if you're trying to store gear and change clothes in inclement weather. Otherwise it's done it job. Thanks Luke for keeping it honest and us informed.
Luke, SnugPak is not the only company that has quality problems. When I was a kid I helped my dad rebuild British Leyland sports cars. Daddy liked Jags and MGs. My first car was a used 1967, MGB ($600 and racing green and sweet). Before 1970 they were fairly well built. After 1970 they had serious quality issues. I asked around and did a little research. After 1970, British Leyland had bad labor/union issues. So, there was the answer. My point is, when you stay with a business long enough, you can watch the quality get better or worse. Big Pat on the back to you for sticking with this job, The Outdoor Gear Review. Thanks for helping us. Texas
I bought this tent years after your 2013 review, I always wanted this tent since I saw it in your video, then I saw the 4 year update and I got one. I love it so much. Perfect stealth
As you pointed out Luke, now their products are made in China...as I am from the UK which Snugpak are based, it is a little dis-heartening that they do not make quality kit items in house anymore, little tip, when looking for Snugpak products on ebay etc, the older ones will state Made in England, newer ones, made in China...go for the British made for peace of mind in quality, tents, jackets, sleeping bags etc....keep up the great work my friend. Regards. Alan
Bought this tent two years ago as a backup for truck camping. Haven't open the package yet. This review will intiate my immediate inspection. Thank you for what you do. Thanks for keeping any frustrations you may have with UA-cam/Google out of the forum. You keep doing what you are doing and I'll keep watching. Thank you.
Bought a Snugpak Scorpion 3 in early 2021. Thing is bomb proof, has withstood rain, sleet, snow, freezing rain, high winds... not one drop inside the tent. No loose threads anywhere, taped seems etc. are all spot on. You can get quality out of China, but you need to get them to make it to spec - which I'm sure costs more. Very, very happy with the Scorpion 3 I got BUT.... I gambled and won. Seems so hit or miss, not gambling again. Nor do I care to send my $ to China. C'mon Snugpak, make your stuff in the UK again, even if threre's a Chinese version too. I would gladly pay extra to support jobs in the UK or US...
I bought the snugpak xocet backpack 3-4 years ago. I really liked the look of it. First day after receiving it the sidepockets fell apart. What looked like mesh was actually a very flimsy plastic net that broke the second I put in a waterbottle. Customer support claimed I had been too rough on it. So that ended my snugpak interest.
I use to take my Ionosphere with me all the time when I'd go camping until I found out how much better I sleep in my go outfitters hammock. I purchased both items because of your informative reviews. Thanks Luke!
Just bought there quilt . Quality is excellent.I started to use it . really lovely and warm no lose strands at all. I was surprised about the quality of the product
I have experience using the Chinese made version. It has handled heavy duty storms with heavy winds extremely well. The super low profile design is as close to “wind proof “ as I can imagine a tent being. Once in a long heavy all night storm water did splash in under the fly and created a wet mess. The fly is great under 99% of situations. If camping in extreme weather in the future I’ll cover my setup with my aqua quest tarp and stay warm and dry.
I bought this tent a couple of weeks ago it seems fine to me, it perform similar to my MSR elixir 2 which costs a-lot more. Im gonna keep an eye on it and if I have any problems ill return to this comment as I haven't used it enough to give it a final review.
I have the ionosphere, bunker, and 2p scorpion. I also have there 5deg and 25 deg bags. I like them all and consider myself fortunate to not have had any issues with any of them as I've had them for years and trust them. Your always a pro at what you do and do it well Luke, I appreciate you as always.
I bought 1 last year for a 466km, 16 day hike based on your review. I used it in severe wind and rain and I had no issues! Mine looks like the old version even though I bought it in 2021.
I bought my snugpak ionosphere like 2 or 3 years ago and it kept me dry I like that tent I had no loose threads The seams are taped so my version good quality
I bought the ionosphere late last summer, it may very well have been the worst mistake of my life. Luke, you have inspired me to test my equipment before taking it out in the field. I did so with the ionosphere and found at the testing that it was waterproof. I had full confidence when I took it on a 2 day weekend trip. We made it through the first day of the trip with no complications, that was until I crawled into the ionosphere. First part of the night was fine minimal wind with an occasional rain shower. The second half of the night was filled with violent thunderstorms and a lot of wind. I never expect a tent to be perfect in the wind, but with its freestanding design I was very surprised to find the amount of flapping that was going on with the sides of the fly. Come to find out in the middle of the night the stitching on the whole left side of the fly ripped to shreds. Let’s just say after that it was an awful night haha. Thought I’d leave you with that little piece of info, I’ve just never heard of a tent doing that.
I only have 2 Snugpak products; the old ionoshphere and the jungle blanket. I have no complaints with either. Together with a light weight sleeping pad they make for a nice camp setup. I have used them in the fall and spring and never gotten cold at night. I think because of its size the ionosphere holds in heat very well. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for this. Bought the Ionosphere only a few months ago. I've had 3 nights in it so far, two of them in constant rain and stayed completely dry. I have had no issues. I wish it had an overhead pocket like the Stratosphere though. I have also solved the problem of having to shuffle in feet-first by switching to a Thermarest Vesper blanket strapped to an Exped Downmat 9. Way easier to climb in and get comfy, instead of wrestling with a sleeping bag zip when there is not enough room to sit up!
@@joesmith4222 well a new car is a different model, these are being marketed as the same tent, when it is very clear that they are not. The Eureka Assauld 4 season is a bit pricey too. So you are expecting that same quality.
Another honest product review Luke. The tent looks like a nice low profile tent. I have a helpful hint for the loose threads just burn them with a lighter when they get close to the seam blow it out and smear it with your thumb usually the thread will melt and stick right to the seam so it won't come loose just a helpful hint. Be safe out there ✌️
I got the Snugpak Stratosphere last year based off a video you did 6 years ago. Was not disappointed and it was used and abused pretty hard. Plan to use it again this year.
i've only really used snugpak sleeping bags and softie jackets, and all have been ok. But - Worth mentioning however, that some of their more premium sleeping bags etc are still made in the UK, and labelled as such - usually outstanding products too - thanks for the vid
Been watching your channel for a few years now and although I dont comment very often I find it educational, entertaining and extremely truthful. May it continue for many years to come..........You receive a lot of comments so I dont expect an answer(not necessary).........Snugpak gear is very popular in the UK, unfortunately nowadays everything seems to be manufactured in China( western corporate greed i'd suggest).........Anyway as usual a great unbiased viewpoint on your behalf............ATB.......Stu....👌👌
Bought this tent fall of 2021, so I'm looking forward to using it for some overnighters this spring. I did set it up in the back yard when I got it to check it out. Didn't see any obvious issues, but time will tell. Cheers.
I've been a Snugpak user for a few years now and personally have had no problems. I use the Patrol Poncho which is really good and have just got the liner for it which I will use this year. I also use the Jungle blanket which is great and I have started using it instead of a sleeping bag. I also have just got the Stratosphere but haven't used it in bad weather yet but very impressed with the quality. I also use DD for my hammocking gear/tarps and vango for tents so not exclusively Snugpak but I don't think they have anymore issues as any other manufacturer.
I have various make of gear too, but wouldn't have anything from Snugpak, even if it was free. Snugpak do not produce a Poncho, just a badly made oversized cagoule that they call a poncho.
Heck yeah, brother. This is exactly the updated product review I've been waiting for. Snugpack Ionosphere is at the very top of the list for assembling my new sleep system. Can't wait for the rain test!
I bought an 'enhanced patrol poncho ' a couple of years ago. Great design, a bit short in the arm. The taping started delaminating immediately I used it. It is still my preferred waterproof in heavy rain, keeping the water off my rucksac. But I use a Paramo jacket underneath as a backup.
I just don't like other other UA-cam people that gives a product review and they're doing it just for the money and they aint right I tell people to watch your channel for product review because you honest and and trustworthy with the review thank you you for your hard work and honest opinion
I have some of the original snugpak tents they are still going strong sad they let quality go away. I’ve been hunting out west for years and have been in heavy snow sleet rain repeat and they held up great
My favorite tent ever. I’ve ruined my older one after years of abuse, but it was 100% my fault. Got me a new one earlier this year, and so far it looks, feel, and works exactly like the old one. I’ve stitched a small loop for my lanterns at the roof of the inner mesh tent and that’s it. Can’t absolutely fault it.
Snugpak used to make their products in Yorkshire, about 20mi from where I live. It was so sad that they sold out and moved a lot of production to China. My dad lost his job with British Paper Board (BPB) along with half of the town when they moved the machines to China in the 90s. It ruined him. He'd worked for them for 40 years since leaving school when it happened.
Same thing in the USA. Fruit of the Loom made clothing for generations...GENERATIONS...in the same town. Closed up, packed up, moved to China. Now future generations are devastated.
From snugpak, I've had: ionosphere and elite 4 sleeping bag ~2016, fantastic kit, used down to -10°c and was comfortable with a good thermal mat. The tent packs down nice and small as well. Only thing i dont like is the fly on the ionosphere doesnt seem to come down far enough. Jungle bag and jungle blanket 2018/2019, really good but the blanket seemed a bit pricey for what it is. Pakbox 2x 6 litre 2020, simple but extremely useful. Bought a scorpion 2 at the start of this year, slept in it twice down at 3-5°c so far and I was extremely comfortable. I've seen the change in the tent pegs, the additional of a cord hole doesnt make up for them thinning the pegs down
I have the Ionsphere. I bought it about 2 years ago and have had no issues. I also have the snugpak special forces bivvi bag… bought it recently and have only used it on one winter trip. Had no issues and almost none condensation so very happy with the two snupak products I have. Only issue I have experienced was the stuff sack for the Bibb I bag… the cord just “unwinded” itself and was toast… but I replaced it with an easy fix so no big deal
I can't wait to see the waterproofness test. I recently got my own, not to long after I saw Corporals Corner test on (then I had to go see your review). I think I got mine mid 2020, and had it out for over a week during our rainy season....no leaks at all...none....dry as a bone.
this is great because I have been looking at reviews of this product and as you said the older versions, not so good. Definitely can't wait for the Rain Test! thank you!!
Luke, I’m very happy that you are doing this review. I know I’ve asked you about the status of Snugpak, as none of their products have been purchased since your last review of the company. I like the Ionosphere, and if everything looks good in the test night video, I will probably purchase one. Cheers to ya Luke. 🤙
The problems Snugpak had are indeed well documented. I have got one of their Patrol Ponchos, and it is big enough to cover me and a 60l pack easily. It is fantastic. And it does keep me dry! I also have one of their Jungle Blankets - basically a poncho liner without any way of fixing it in place - and that does the job. I have been thinking about getting an Ionosphere for a long time - the tent was very popular with "professional" users in uncomfortable places a few years ago. Perhaps Part 2 will decide the issue!
I really like the design of their Patrol Ponchos, but not the size. If you're over 5'8" inches, it's a stretch. For me, the sleeves don't come close in length, and with a pack, the back of my thighs get drenched. My 5'6" girlfriend found it to be sized great for her and her pack though. I wish they sold them in something besides a medium size.
Snugpak use to be UK forces favourite for Gucci kit in 90s. It was all about the sleeping bags replacing the issued ones at half the weight and size. If you were really cold you would get out your softy top or put it on for post exercise sleep. 25 years later same kit going strong. 3 man tent bought in 2015 is also going strong even in storms.
I bought a Snugpak Softie 12 sleeping bag in the early ‘90s and it’s held up no problems at all. However, now I read on many UK forums that people are having lots of issues related to the waterproofness of tent products such as the Stratosphere bivvy tent, users say they not waterproof and they need a tarp erected to keep them dry, which kind of defeats the point of the Stratosphere in the first place. Also, looking today at Snugpak’s UK site, they have your 4-year video test of the Ionosphere as a reason for people to buy.
Just spent a week of hiking with my Ionosphere on the Isle of Arran. Bought in 2017. Dry as a bone through some pretty rough Scottish weather. I’d like to see the fly come lower to reduce wind chill through the edges. Otherwise I love my Ionosphere - great lightweight bivvy tent.
I'm on Lewis mate, in the winter wind dependant I use it with a 3x3 tarp to give me a cooking area and greater wind resistance and warmth for not much added weight.
I love snugpak. My ionsphere was bought in 2011. I got a brand new plain green sleeka and lots of fleece liners. I went with the recon gen 2 -10 and -20 sleeping bags for the inner and outter with the fleece liners as my emergency winter sleeping kit.
We just purchased an ionosphere for my 14 year old Boy Scout. If anyone can find problems with a tent, it will be him. So far we like but it will get a lot of use in the next 6 months including a week long trip out west. It's supposed to rain for his trip this weekend (NC) so we'll see.
I have one of the older ionosphere tents and it has served me well and held up just fine. It's a good, reasonably lightweight, bivy style tent. The only thing I really don't like about it: it is not a fly-first pitch and it takes a bit of time to set up the inner tent, so it is a bit of a hassle to deal with when trying to set it up in the rain and keep the inside dry. I tend to take it when I don't expect rain, because it also doesn't breathe particularly well if you can't leave the door open. But it will absolutely keep you dry in the worst weather once it is up and it is solid as rock once you get it pitched, assuming you are somewhere where you can get the stakes in the ground. I also have a couple of the "jungle blankets" and I would rate those as ok for what I paid, but probably not something that will last forever. My assumption is that they have a certain number of washes that they'll survive and then they are done for.
I just recently startet sleeping outside in the woods and got myself the snugpak sleeper extreme. Used it three times so far an I have no problems with it. Only the compression bag is probably not robust enough to hold up for a long time. The sleeping bag itself fits me pretty well and the temperature rating seems accurate to me. It says that the comfort zone goes down to - 7 °C and last time I used it around - 6 and I did not freeze at all. At least for the sleeping bags theire quality seems to be fine
I have 2 Snugpak tent my first was a Scorpion 2 then the cave tent had no problems with either. Still use the cave in summer as it blocks out all light. Winter tent is now my saitaris. 🇬🇧
Luke, while I am a pretty big Snugpak fan... I echo a lot of what you say here. Keep in mind they still do have a lot of UK made products (and those are nothing short of stellar in my opinion), but they are usually more expensive items. I haven’t kept around a lot of the import items from snugpak, but when I choose to buy one I do as you say... inspect immediately and know that I can return or exchange it if need be. If it arrives as it was designed, even most of the import stuff is pretty decent. I tend not take gambles on water proof items though.... so YMMV. Cheers brother!!!
I just recently bought some of their sleeping bags cause they were the most compact ones I could find for my budget and it was really important to me that 2 bags can be zipped together. They are the "UK made" ones and I haven't found a single fault with the quality of materials and sewing. I hear there is a big gap in quality between the UK and China made equipment from Snugpak, so buyers may need to double check that as well.
I used Snugpak kit years ago in the military. It was always top quality and had a really good reputation. Shame to hear of recent quality problems, I really do hope they have turned it around 👍
I've had my eye on the sugpack scorpion 3 for the longest time but never got it. I'm glad I never went for it since I looked at it after they moved to China, I hope it's gotten better over time
I go to the Outdoor retailer show every year and for the past 3 or 4 years I just call SnugPak ThugRat They just try and bank on the name and not the quality anymore
I got the stasha tarp or what ever it is as an emergency shelter basically to use in conjunction with a poncho and bug net when I don’t really intend on staying out over night. I’ve used it 5 nights and (knock on wood) no major issues. The corners are not as well stitched as I would have thought theyd be. A canopy wall you can get at academy sports the sil nylon ones are better in my experience but they’re bulkier and heavier.
Hi there I also hope Snugpak has upped their game.. I have a few items by they that are excellent, a Sleeka jacket, a Pile smock top and an underquilt for my hamac.. all are really good products. I look forward to seeing your conclusions in the next video..
I've been wanting to buy this tent for a long time but have always held off due to quality concerns of others. Interested to see how it fares, I hope it does well
I don't think that it's as bad, as to not get one. I have the new version for a year and I don't have any issues so far.Where did you read all those negative comments about this tent? I know that many soldiers around the world use the Ionosphere. Please, Did you read any comments about leaking water inside the tent?
I had no idea about the issues with snugpak. The factory is 6 miles from my house. I've been saving for an ionosphere my banshee is getting on. Can't wait for a rain test save my money
I am crossing my fingers that this is still a quality product. I have long been thinking of buying one, partly based on your recommendation on videos. Let's see how it turns out in part 2.
Did you know that you can buy a different top cover for that tent which is a camouflage design for about £52 in the uk which I live .p.s enjoy your videos
I've noticed the smaller a company the more they make the effort and make sure the product is perfect and care for the customers in after sales support and care etc Jayjays being an excellent example 🏴🇬🇧
I bought one of these and really like this few yrs back. But, I wish entrance was from side and offer a vestibule. I have not been in rain with it yet. But have found using a poncho over the tent entrance gives me that extra coverage with some sticks and line.
I had an issue with a defective Stratosphere, it leaked like crazy. They did however replace it for free AND sent me a Sasquatch parka for my trouble. That's the only major issue I've had with them and I have A LOT of their gear and clothing... new and old.
Looks a lot like a tent I got from Walmart which I like. It was made by Bushnell and cost me 50 dollars about 4 or 5 years ago. Bathtub floor and a fly that clips in place. Weighs a little over 3 lbs. Good for backpacking but I'd rather have something bigger for car camping.
Amazon reviews are also being exploited too. For example a review score can be determined by the seller and can make it higher or near 5 stars. You simple change the review categories. If you gave it 1 star quality, and 1 star durability. They can change those from "quality to softness" then change "durability to watetproof". Its totally bs and companies are exploiting this like mad. You will see reviews with horrible marks near 3 stars ot 2 stars, yet somehow its 5 stars. Be careful and read most recent reviews people.
What do you think of their sleeping bags? Do you have any experience of them? I have only good experiences with Snugpak. But then I only bought and used their sleeping bags. They have all lived up to my expectations. At the moment I have used the sleeping bags Special Forces 1 and 2, Softie 9 Hawk and Softie 10 Harrier. It would been realy exciting to hear what you think about their sleeping bags? Thank you for a trustworthy channel when it comes to testing outdoor products for real. Greetings from Sweden 😊
I used to used Snugpak exclusively back in the early 2010s, great quality, competitive prices, British made, solid enough that the British army used them for years, they were proper quality products. Then they started moving manufacturing to China and tbh the quality went downhill despite the costs increasing. Sadly I can't really recommend them these days.
Luke, your advice is always VERY much appreciated! I ordered the Snugpak Endurance 40 backpack after seeing your review on it here in the Netherlands, along with a Jungle Blanket and some other items. The backpack is very good for the price I got it for (86,- Euros) and while some of the issues you mentioned have been fixed in the revised version (like the water bladder pocket now being in the right place and the addition of weight lifters), I was personally very much annoyed by the lid, which due to the elasticated sides has a habit of sliding up and backwards over the front of the backpack and exposing the snow cover. This also made it impossible to read any name tags or other velcro patches on the pack. It would only stay on if you packed the bag to the gills. The Jungle Blanket: I love this thing. Quality was great, very warm. Nothing more to add about that. However, their choice of importer for the Netherlands seems to reflect some of the issues you describe: poor management, shoddy quality control of their distributors. Noorloos (name of the distributor in NL) would list articles as available that actually were not on stock, then keep placating me with "it will be here in three weeks". After three weeks: no peep out of them. Upon me contacting them after yet another week about what's going on: Oh yeah it will be delivered next week. After 2-3 repetitions of this, I had enough and cancelled the order. It then took them another 14 days and a reminder to get back the remainder of the amount I had paid. Reading up on Noorloos reviews (yeah, I know, should've done that beforehand) shows that this seems to be SOP for those guys. A real shame, would really love to buy 1-2 more Jungle Blankets. And just a month or so ago I was looking to upgrade my tent. Was hesitating between the Ionosphere and the Litefighter tent. The Litefighter was impossible to find for me in Europe and importing from the US would have been bloody expensive. And the Ionosphere seemed to be a little too small for a husky guy like me. That was when I came across your video on the Jack Wolfskin Gossamer II and went for that instead. Could not take it out yet, but I REALLY like what I see so far.
It's quite possible Snugpak had their stuff made in China in 2013, as well. For the few items Varusteleka has made in China, for example, they note that China CAN make good quality stuff if you hold them to it.
I can get behind that just about everything comes from China but a look online anywhere you'll see plenty of people say avoid it's made in China that's all you need to know, I've been put off plenty of cheap stuff coming out of China because I could tell they were cheap knockoffs I wasn't put off simply because it was made in China. I suspect the snugpak wants to keep costs down but expects profits to rise at the same time
From my experience with sourcing in China you can absolutely have good / top quality but you do have to work at QC/QA and do a lot of checking. Though it’s not that different from working with any supplier from any country.
Hey Luke, thank you for the shout-out! My biggest problem with Snugpak is their garbage sleeping bag zippers. I actually own the Journey Solo, which is essentially the same tent. I've been happy with it. Carry on!
Bought one of these in February and took it out for an overnight. Had an unexpected shower pass through for a few hours over the night. The inside of the tent stayed absolutely, positively 100% BONE dry. In the morning all I had to do was give the tarp a few shakes and all the water was off. It didn’t soak into the material like some cheaper tents I’ve used.
I've always loved the old British made Snugpak products, excellent video and we all know how objective you are Luke. Thank you 🏴🇬🇧
I purchased the Ionosphere about 2 years ago after watching your review. It's a good tent for what it is, think upscale bivy bag. Not a lot of room inside, especially if you're trying to store gear and change clothes in inclement weather. Otherwise it's done it job. Thanks Luke for keeping it honest and us informed.
Luke, SnugPak is not the only company that has quality problems. When I was a kid I helped my dad rebuild British Leyland sports cars. Daddy liked Jags and MGs. My first car was a used 1967, MGB ($600 and racing green and sweet). Before 1970 they were fairly well built. After 1970 they had serious quality issues. I asked around and did a little research. After 1970, British Leyland had bad labor/union issues. So, there was the answer. My point is, when you stay with a business long enough, you can watch the quality get better or worse. Big Pat on the back to you for sticking with this job, The Outdoor Gear Review. Thanks for helping us. Texas
I bought this tent years after your 2013 review, I always wanted this tent since I saw it in your video, then I saw the 4 year update and I got one. I love it so much. Perfect stealth
As you pointed out Luke, now their products are made in China...as I am from the UK which Snugpak are based, it is a little dis-heartening that they do not make quality kit items in house anymore, little tip, when looking for Snugpak products on ebay etc, the older ones will state Made in England, newer ones, made in China...go for the British made for peace of mind in quality, tents, jackets, sleeping bags etc....keep up the great work my friend.
Regards.
Alan
some of their stuff is still UK made - check some of their sleeping bags
Bought this tent two years ago as a backup for truck camping.
Haven't open the package yet. This review will intiate my immediate inspection.
Thank you for what you do. Thanks for keeping any frustrations you may have with UA-cam/Google out of the forum.
You keep doing what you are doing and I'll keep watching.
Thank you.
Bought a Snugpak Scorpion 3 in early 2021. Thing is bomb proof, has withstood rain, sleet, snow, freezing rain, high winds... not one drop inside the tent. No loose threads anywhere, taped seems etc. are all spot on. You can get quality out of China, but you need to get them to make it to spec - which I'm sure costs more. Very, very happy with the Scorpion 3 I got BUT.... I gambled and won. Seems so hit or miss, not gambling again. Nor do I care to send my $ to China. C'mon Snugpak, make your stuff in the UK again, even if threre's a Chinese version too. I would gladly pay extra to support jobs in the UK or US...
Love that you gave a shout out to grunt proof, TOGR and Grunt proof are the only 2 channels I truly follow.
I bought the snugpak xocet backpack 3-4 years ago. I really liked the look of it. First day after receiving it the sidepockets fell apart. What looked like mesh was actually a very flimsy plastic net that broke the second I put in a waterbottle. Customer support claimed I had been too rough on it.
So that ended my snugpak interest.
Grunt proof that's a good channel. Highly recommend that one.
I use to take my Ionosphere with me all the time when I'd go camping until I found out how much better I sleep in my go outfitters hammock. I purchased both items because of your informative reviews. Thanks Luke!
Just bought there quilt . Quality is excellent.I started to use it . really lovely and warm no lose strands at all. I was surprised about the quality of the product
I have experience using the Chinese made version. It has handled heavy duty storms with heavy winds extremely well. The super low profile design is as close to “wind proof “ as I can imagine a tent being. Once in a long heavy all night storm water did splash in under the fly and created a wet mess. The fly is great under 99% of situations. If camping in extreme weather in the future I’ll cover my setup with my aqua quest tarp and stay warm and dry.
I bought this tent a couple of weeks ago it seems fine to me, it perform similar to my MSR elixir 2 which costs a-lot more. Im gonna keep an eye on it and if I have any problems ill return to this comment as I haven't used it enough to give it a final review.
I have the ionosphere, bunker, and 2p scorpion. I also have there 5deg and 25 deg bags. I like them all and consider myself fortunate to not have had any issues with any of them as I've had them for years and trust them. Your always a pro at what you do and do it well Luke, I appreciate you as always.
I bought 1 last year for a 466km, 16 day hike based on your review. I used it in severe wind and rain and I had no issues! Mine looks like the old version even though I bought it in 2021.
Really glad you gave a shoutout for Randall i really enjoy his content hope others do too!
Thanks Luke for doing follow up videos on products. It provides multiple types of comfort knowing that a channel with integrity is re evaluating them.
I bought my snugpak ionosphere like 2 or 3 years ago and it kept me dry I like that tent I had no loose threads The seams are taped so my version good quality
I bought the ionosphere late last summer, it may very well have been the worst mistake of my life. Luke, you have inspired me to test my equipment before taking it out in the field. I did so with the ionosphere and found at the testing that it was waterproof. I had full confidence when I took it on a 2 day weekend trip. We made it through the first day of the trip with no complications, that was until I crawled into the ionosphere. First part of the night was fine minimal wind with an occasional rain shower. The second half of the night was filled with violent thunderstorms and a lot of wind. I never expect a tent to be perfect in the wind, but with its freestanding design I was very surprised to find the amount of flapping that was going on with the sides of the fly. Come to find out in the middle of the night the stitching on the whole left side of the fly ripped to shreds. Let’s just say after that it was an awful night haha. Thought I’d leave you with that little piece of info, I’ve just never heard of a tent doing that.
Great video!
There is also a version with a Terrain Camouflage Pattern fly, specifically for low profile stealth camping.
I only have 2 Snugpak products; the old ionoshphere and the jungle blanket. I have no complaints with either. Together with a light weight sleeping pad they make for a nice camp setup. I have used them in the fall and spring and never gotten cold at night. I think because of its size the ionosphere holds in heat very well. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for this. Bought the Ionosphere only a few months ago. I've had 3 nights in it so far, two of them in constant rain and stayed completely dry. I have had no issues. I wish it had an overhead pocket like the Stratosphere though. I have also solved the problem of having to shuffle in feet-first by switching to a Thermarest Vesper blanket strapped to an Exped Downmat 9. Way easier to climb in and get comfy, instead of wrestling with a sleeping bag zip when there is not enough room to sit up!
I feel the same way about our second eureka assault, 5Lbs lighter and it really shows where that 5lbs went, it went with the quality!
Eureka A frames from the 2000s are the best.
The same with new cars and everything else. Right?
@@joesmith4222 well a new car is a different model, these are being marketed as the same tent, when it is very clear that they are not. The Eureka Assauld 4 season is a bit pricey too. So you are expecting that same quality.
Another honest product review Luke. The tent looks like a nice low profile tent. I have a helpful hint for the loose threads just burn them with a lighter when they get close to the seam blow it out and smear it with your thumb usually the thread will melt and stick right to the seam so it won't come loose just a helpful hint. Be safe out there ✌️
I always do that immediately, to all my gear and clothes, to avoid any issues in the future!
I got the Snugpak Stratosphere last year based off a video you did 6 years ago. Was not disappointed and it was used and abused pretty hard. Plan to use it again this year.
i've only really used snugpak sleeping bags and softie jackets, and all have been ok.
But - Worth mentioning however, that some of their more premium sleeping bags etc are still made in the UK, and labelled as such - usually outstanding products too - thanks for the vid
Been watching your channel for a few years now and although I dont comment very often I find it educational, entertaining and extremely truthful. May it continue for many years to come..........You receive a lot of comments so I dont expect an answer(not necessary).........Snugpak gear is very popular in the UK, unfortunately nowadays everything seems to be manufactured in China( western corporate greed i'd suggest).........Anyway as usual a great unbiased viewpoint on your behalf............ATB.......Stu....👌👌
Great review Luke. I purchased both the Ionosphere and the Stratosphere and have been pretty pleased do far. Strength and honor.
Bought this tent fall of 2021, so I'm looking forward to using it for some overnighters this spring. I did set it up in the back yard when I got it to check it out. Didn't see any obvious issues, but time will tell. Cheers.
I've been a Snugpak user for a few years now and personally have had no problems. I use the Patrol Poncho which is really good and have just got the liner for it which I will use this year. I also use the Jungle blanket which is great and I have started using it instead of a sleeping bag. I also have just got the Stratosphere but haven't used it in bad weather yet but very impressed with the quality. I also use DD for my hammocking gear/tarps and vango for tents so not exclusively Snugpak but I don't think they have anymore issues as any other manufacturer.
I have various make of gear too, but wouldn't have anything from Snugpak, even if it was free. Snugpak do not produce a Poncho, just a badly made oversized cagoule that they call a poncho.
Heck yeah, brother. This is exactly the updated product review I've been waiting for. Snugpack Ionosphere is at the very top of the list for assembling my new sleep system. Can't wait for the rain test!
I bought an 'enhanced patrol poncho ' a couple of years ago. Great design, a bit short in the arm. The taping started delaminating immediately I used it. It is still my preferred waterproof in heavy rain, keeping the water off my rucksac. But I use a Paramo jacket underneath as a backup.
I just don't like other other UA-cam people that gives a product review and they're doing it just for the money and they aint right I tell people to watch your channel for product review because you honest and and trustworthy with the review thank you you for your hard work and honest opinion
I have some of the original snugpak tents they are still going strong sad they let quality go away. I’ve been hunting out west for years and have been in heavy snow sleet rain repeat and they held up great
I’ve used my Ionosphere purchased in 2019 a few times and it’s been rock solid.
My favorite tent ever. I’ve ruined my older one after years of abuse, but it was 100% my fault. Got me a new one earlier this year, and so far it looks, feel, and works exactly like the old one. I’ve stitched a small loop for my lanterns at the roof of the inner mesh tent and that’s it. Can’t absolutely fault it.
Bought a Snugpak Scorpion 2 a couples of years ago for cold weather camping. Nothing but good to say about. I would buy it again.
Snugpak used to make their products in Yorkshire, about 20mi from where I live. It was so sad that they sold out and moved a lot of production to China.
My dad lost his job with British Paper Board (BPB) along with half of the town when they moved the machines to China in the 90s. It ruined him. He'd worked for them for 40 years since leaving school when it happened.
Same thing in the USA. Fruit of the Loom made clothing for generations...GENERATIONS...in the same town. Closed up, packed up, moved to China. Now future generations are devastated.
From snugpak, I've had:
ionosphere and elite 4 sleeping bag ~2016, fantastic kit, used down to -10°c and was comfortable with a good thermal mat. The tent packs down nice and small as well. Only thing i dont like is the fly on the ionosphere doesnt seem to come down far enough.
Jungle bag and jungle blanket 2018/2019, really good but the blanket seemed a bit pricey for what it is.
Pakbox 2x 6 litre 2020, simple but extremely useful.
Bought a scorpion 2 at the start of this year, slept in it twice down at 3-5°c so far and I was extremely comfortable.
I've seen the change in the tent pegs, the additional of a cord hole doesnt make up for them thinning the pegs down
I have the Ionsphere. I bought it about 2 years ago and have had no issues. I also have the snugpak special forces bivvi bag… bought it recently and have only used it on one winter trip. Had no issues and almost none condensation so very happy with the two snupak products I have. Only issue I have experienced was the stuff sack for the Bibb I bag… the cord just “unwinded” itself and was toast… but I replaced it with an easy fix so no big deal
I can't wait to see the waterproofness test. I recently got my own, not to long after I saw Corporals Corner test on (then I had to go see your review). I think I got mine mid 2020, and had it out for over a week during our rainy season....no leaks at all...none....dry as a bone.
this is great because I have been looking at reviews of this product and as you said the older versions, not so good. Definitely can't wait for the Rain Test! thank you!!
Luke, I’m very happy that you are doing this review. I know I’ve asked you about the status of Snugpak, as none of their products have been purchased since your last review of the company. I like the Ionosphere, and if everything looks good in the test night video, I will probably purchase one. Cheers to ya Luke. 🤙
The problems Snugpak had are indeed well documented. I have got one of their Patrol Ponchos, and it is big enough to cover me and a 60l pack easily. It is fantastic. And it does keep me dry! I also have one of their Jungle Blankets - basically a poncho liner without any way of fixing it in place - and that does the job. I have been thinking about getting an Ionosphere for a long time - the tent was very popular with "professional" users in uncomfortable places a few years ago. Perhaps Part 2 will decide the issue!
I really like the design of their Patrol Ponchos, but not the size. If you're over 5'8" inches, it's a stretch. For me, the sleeves don't come close in length, and with a pack, the back of my thighs get drenched. My 5'6" girlfriend found it to be sized great for her and her pack though.
I wish they sold them in something besides a medium size.
@@wisenber it's extremely tough to find a poncho if you're 6'6"!!
@@rustyshackleford8845 Heck, I'm just 6', but those sleeves end on my forearms.
Luke. We will be waiting for part 2 of this show..
Stay safe.. n take care..😁
Honest review because you dont defend them due to the fact they put your channel name on it? I like that...
I’ve been tempted to pick up one of these so I’ll be seeing how part to goes for sure
Snugpak use to be UK forces favourite for Gucci kit in 90s. It was all about the sleeping bags replacing the issued ones at half the weight and size. If you were really cold you would get out your softy top or put it on for post exercise sleep. 25 years later same kit going strong. 3 man tent bought in 2015 is also going strong even in storms.
I bought a Snugpak Softie 12 sleeping bag in the early ‘90s and it’s held up no problems at all.
However, now I read on many UK forums that people are having lots of issues related to the waterproofness of tent products such as the Stratosphere bivvy tent, users say they not waterproof and they need a tarp erected to keep them dry, which kind of defeats the point of the Stratosphere in the first place. Also, looking today at Snugpak’s UK site, they have your 4-year video test of the Ionosphere as a reason for people to buy.
Definitely waiting for the rain test.
Thank you for doing this. I am on the rope about Snugpak. Love them yet they have done me wrong in the past. Hope they get back on track.
Just spent a week of hiking with my Ionosphere on the Isle of Arran. Bought in 2017. Dry as a bone through some pretty rough Scottish weather. I’d like to see the fly come lower to reduce wind chill through the edges. Otherwise I love my Ionosphere - great lightweight bivvy tent.
I'm on Lewis mate, in the winter wind dependant I use it with a 3x3 tarp to give me a cooking area and greater wind resistance and warmth for not much added weight.
I love snugpak. My ionsphere was bought in 2011. I got a brand new plain green sleeka and lots of fleece liners. I went with the recon gen 2 -10 and -20 sleeping bags for the inner and outter with the fleece liners as my emergency winter sleeping kit.
Hello from Charlotte and keep up the good work.
We just purchased an ionosphere for my 14 year old Boy Scout. If anyone can find problems with a tent, it will be him. So far we like but it will get a lot of use in the next 6 months including a week long trip out west. It's supposed to rain for his trip this weekend (NC) so we'll see.
I have one of the older ionosphere tents and it has served me well and held up just fine. It's a good, reasonably lightweight, bivy style tent. The only thing I really don't like about it: it is not a fly-first pitch and it takes a bit of time to set up the inner tent, so it is a bit of a hassle to deal with when trying to set it up in the rain and keep the inside dry. I tend to take it when I don't expect rain, because it also doesn't breathe particularly well if you can't leave the door open. But it will absolutely keep you dry in the worst weather once it is up and it is solid as rock once you get it pitched, assuming you are somewhere where you can get the stakes in the ground. I also have a couple of the "jungle blankets" and I would rate those as ok for what I paid, but probably not something that will last forever. My assumption is that they have a certain number of washes that they'll survive and then they are done for.
" reasonably lightweight " 😆 😅 😂 🤣
@@Chris66able The stuff sack it comes in is absurdly heavy for what it is. If you leave that at home it isn't bad.
I totally scored this past fall . I purchased the old version for 10 dollars at a moving sale
I just recently startet sleeping outside in the woods and got myself the snugpak sleeper extreme. Used it three times so far an I have no problems with it. Only the compression bag is probably not robust enough to hold up for a long time. The sleeping bag itself fits me pretty well and the temperature rating seems accurate to me. It says that the comfort zone goes down to - 7 °C and last time I used it around - 6 and I did not freeze at all. At least for the sleeping bags theire quality seems to be fine
I have 2 Snugpak tent my first was a Scorpion 2 then the cave tent had no problems with either. Still use the cave in summer as it blocks out all light. Winter tent is now my saitaris. 🇬🇧
Luke, while I am a pretty big Snugpak fan... I echo a lot of what you say here.
Keep in mind they still do have a lot of UK made products (and those are nothing short of stellar in my opinion), but they are usually more expensive items. I haven’t kept around a lot of the import items from snugpak, but when I choose to buy one I do as you say... inspect immediately and know that I can return or exchange it if need be. If it arrives as it was designed, even most of the import stuff is pretty decent.
I tend not take gambles on water proof items though.... so YMMV. Cheers brother!!!
I just recently bought some of their sleeping bags cause they were the most compact ones I could find for my budget and it was really important to me that 2 bags can be zipped together. They are the "UK made" ones and I haven't found a single fault with the quality of materials and sewing. I hear there is a big gap in quality between the UK and China made equipment from Snugpak, so buyers may need to double check that as well.
I used Snugpak kit years ago in the military. It was always top quality and had a really good reputation. Shame to hear of recent quality problems, I really do hope they have turned it around 👍
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I've had my eye on the sugpack scorpion 3 for the longest time but never got it. I'm glad I never went for it since I looked at it after they moved to China, I hope it's gotten better over time
I go to the Outdoor retailer show every year and for the past 3 or 4 years I just call SnugPak ThugRat
They just try and bank on the name and not the quality anymore
it would be good to have everything in 1 video with all the tests so we can get a definitive answer on the tent. keep up with the good work.
I've only bought their sleeping bags and always found them to be good quality and excellent value for money
I'm from a few miles away from where Snugpak are based... But never heard of the until this channel 😃
Looking forward to the rain test! I hope it performs well! If it does I’m picking one up!
I got the stasha tarp or what ever it is as an emergency shelter basically to use in conjunction with a poncho and bug net when I don’t really intend on staying out over night. I’ve used it 5 nights and (knock on wood) no major issues. The corners are not as well stitched as I would have thought theyd be. A canopy wall you can get at academy sports the sil nylon ones are better in my experience but they’re bulkier and heavier.
Hi there I also hope Snugpak has upped their game.. I have a few items by they that are excellent, a Sleeka jacket, a Pile smock top and an underquilt for my hamac.. all are really good products. I look forward to seeing your conclusions in the next video..
Thanks for your help. I have purchased several things that you have recommended thanks again
I've been wanting to buy this tent for a long time but have always held off due to quality concerns of others. Interested to see how it fares, I hope it does well
I don't think that it's as bad, as to not get one. I have the new version for a year and I don't have any issues so far.Where did you read all those negative comments about this tent? I know that many soldiers around the world use the Ionosphere.
Please, Did you read any comments about leaking water inside the tent?
Always outstanding
I had no idea about the issues with snugpak. The factory is 6 miles from my house. I've been saving for an ionosphere my banshee is getting on. Can't wait for a rain test save my money
I got mine back in 2017. Whew missed the cut off. I saw your review among others on YT(time before millions of ads)
Thanks Luke outstanding review.
I am crossing my fingers that this is still a quality product. I have long been thinking of buying one, partly based on your recommendation on videos. Let's see how it turns out in part 2.
Did you know that you can buy a different top cover for that tent which is a camouflage design for about £52 in the uk which I live .p.s enjoy your videos
My friend you're doing excellent job on reviewing now anything made in Russia that you know of that we can boycott.
I've noticed the smaller a company the more they make the effort and make sure the product is perfect and care for the customers in after sales support and care etc Jayjays being an excellent example 🏴🇬🇧
I bought one of these and really like this few yrs back. But, I wish entrance was from side and offer a vestibule. I have not been in rain with it yet. But have found using a poncho over the tent entrance gives me that extra coverage with some sticks and line.
I had an issue with a defective Stratosphere, it leaked like crazy. They did however replace it for free AND sent me a Sasquatch parka for my trouble. That's the only major issue I've had with them and I have A LOT of their gear and clothing... new and old.
My scorpion 3 and poncho / poncho liner work well...no leaking...but both are about 4 years old, not the new type
Looks a lot like a tent I got from Walmart which I like. It was made by Bushnell and cost me 50 dollars about 4 or 5 years ago. Bathtub floor and a fly that clips in place. Weighs a little over 3 lbs. Good for backpacking but I'd rather have something bigger for car camping.
Thank you..
Amazon reviews are also being exploited too. For example a review score can be determined by the seller and can make it higher or near 5 stars. You simple change the review categories. If you gave it 1 star quality, and 1 star durability. They can change those from "quality to softness" then change "durability to watetproof". Its totally bs and companies are exploiting this like mad. You will see reviews with horrible marks near 3 stars ot 2 stars, yet somehow its 5 stars. Be careful and read most recent reviews people.
I like the look of that tent, if it passes the waterproof test I might just get one.
Great video can’t wait for the rain test video
I'm ready for part 2!😆
What do you think of their sleeping bags? Do you have any experience of them? I have only good experiences with Snugpak. But then I only bought and used their sleeping bags. They have all lived up to my expectations. At the moment I have used the sleeping bags Special Forces 1 and 2, Softie 9 Hawk and Softie 10 Harrier. It would been realy exciting to hear what you think about their sleeping bags? Thank you for a trustworthy channel when it comes to testing outdoor products for real. Greetings from Sweden 😊
I used to used Snugpak exclusively back in the early 2010s, great quality, competitive prices, British made, solid enough that the British army used them for years, they were proper quality products.
Then they started moving manufacturing to China and tbh the quality went downhill despite the costs increasing.
Sadly I can't really recommend them these days.
My 2nd t tent was eureka tub tent with fiberglass poles in the lovely color of orange. Similar to biviy camping with more room.
Awesome attention to detail
Luke, your advice is always VERY much appreciated!
I ordered the Snugpak Endurance 40 backpack after seeing your review on it here in the Netherlands, along with a Jungle Blanket and some other items.
The backpack is very good for the price I got it for (86,- Euros) and while some of the issues you mentioned have been fixed in the revised version (like the water bladder pocket now being in the right place and the addition of weight lifters), I was personally very much annoyed by the lid, which due to the elasticated sides has a habit of sliding up and backwards over the front of the backpack and exposing the snow cover. This also made it impossible to read any name tags or other velcro patches on the pack. It would only stay on if you packed the bag to the gills.
The Jungle Blanket: I love this thing. Quality was great, very warm. Nothing more to add about that.
However, their choice of importer for the Netherlands seems to reflect some of the issues you describe: poor management, shoddy quality control of their distributors. Noorloos (name of the distributor in NL) would list articles as available that actually were not on stock, then keep placating me with "it will be here in three weeks". After three weeks: no peep out of them. Upon me contacting them after yet another week about what's going on: Oh yeah it will be delivered next week. After 2-3 repetitions of this, I had enough and cancelled the order. It then took them another 14 days and a reminder to get back the remainder of the amount I had paid.
Reading up on Noorloos reviews (yeah, I know, should've done that beforehand) shows that this seems to be SOP for those guys.
A real shame, would really love to buy 1-2 more Jungle Blankets.
And just a month or so ago I was looking to upgrade my tent. Was hesitating between the Ionosphere and the Litefighter tent. The Litefighter was impossible to find for me in Europe and importing from the US would have been bloody expensive. And the Ionosphere seemed to be a little too small for a husky guy like me. That was when I came across your video on the Jack Wolfskin Gossamer II and went for that instead. Could not take it out yet, but I REALLY like what I see so far.
I have quite a few snugpak items. Glad I got my stuff well before all this new stuff..
I'm thinking about dropping the coins on this tent .... Thanks again
It's quite possible Snugpak had their stuff made in China in 2013, as well. For the few items Varusteleka has made in China, for example, they note that China CAN make good quality stuff if you hold them to it.
I can get behind that just about everything comes from China but a look online anywhere you'll see plenty of people say avoid it's made in China that's all you need to know, I've been put off plenty of cheap stuff coming out of China because I could tell they were cheap knockoffs I wasn't put off simply because it was made in China. I suspect the snugpak wants to keep costs down but expects profits to rise at the same time
From my experience with sourcing in China you can absolutely have good / top quality but you do have to work at QC/QA and do a lot of checking. Though it’s not that different from working with any supplier from any country.