Fantastic video Goughie! As if Leicas weren't amazing enough, the M11 takes it all to a whole new level. Great comparisons, and as always, gorgeous photos mate!
This camera looks phenomenal thank you for walking us through it. Price difference is huge but like you said you can safe up and wait for the right time. The m11 seemed to upgrade their technology for the better.
I love my M11. I went for the black, because of the weight difference (and it didn't feel cheap at all ;) ). I mostly use it @ 36mp mostly because I feel I have more shaky images at 60mp (maybe it's just in my head...) The 3 things that made me choose the 11 instead of a 10 are the USB-C port, the battery life and the 64 internat memory (which I don't understand why it's not present in every camera). Nice vid as usual :)
That’s good to know! It’ll be a tough decision on colour when it comes to buying!! I do think that it might become the norm! I think the new Hasselblad now has it too! So it might filter down pretty quick!
Cracking video mate. Just watched yours and Fred Ranger’s vids and aside for the extra dynamic range it’s definitely the little perks of the camera that peak my interest more. The metering and internal memory are the two I would love to upgrade for, although I may need to wait a while before I upgrade from the m10 😅
Good video man 👍🏻! Pretty much agree with all the arguments you mentioned. Personally, I’m holding out for an M11-P version. I just like the aesthetic a bit more (if it looks a lot like the M10-P).
I really like your analysis. I think the new camera was most likely a ground-up redesign, internally, and clearly represents a major step forward in Leica’s journey toward making a full frame digital M a true worthy successor to its historic (and current) film-based M bodies. Plus, of course, the digital M actually out performs its analog cousins in many respects. The flip of the buttons left of the rear screen was done in order to bring the design into conformity with the SL2/Sl2S and Q2 models so that users can seamlessly shift from one to another. By the way, the black M11 is a bit over 5 ounces lighter than the M10 models (18 vs. 23.2) and 4 ounces lighter than the silver M11 (22.6 ounces, so, much closer to the M10). For comparison, the MP weighs 21 ounces and the new M6 weighs 20 ounces. Given that so much of the user experience depends upon lens choice, I’m not sure how much difference an ounce or two makes. I think it comes down to a choice of finish preference. Best wishes for accomplishing your interim goals and acquiring an M11!
Yes! I’ve since read into the weight differences! I have no complaints at all with the weight of my M10, so silver is definitely a consideration! Maybe brassing is what will sway it! Thank you for the info on the button switch! Make sense it all now matches up!
@@Goughie I don’t see any reason why. Such a camera is perfect for street photography and everyday photography by the looks of it. It would greatly help with odd angles composition and shooting
Nice comparison, I've been waiting to see what your detailed assessment is. I would not have thought that the battery life is then so drastically different. I think wen ndu wait kansnt you make a good bargain. Here in germany, a wedding photographer once sold the m11 with thumb rest and grip for 6700€ (£5,745). if I had not bought mine before, I would have bought it.
I loved the M11..I had two which died after a couple of weeks use so now use the very reliable M10-R which is great but I really miss the beautiful rendering of the 11.
As an M11 user, I feel people overlook the main upgrade: USB-C. I have never, ever, removed the battery or the SD card. An iPad, a 100Mbps usbc cale and that's all we need. File transfer is 80% of a card reader, and charges it really quick. Just thinking about the hassle of an M10? No way!
With overall darker exposure and a white balance that tends towards cool magenta, it looks like the Leica M11 is close to a Fujifilm camera in terms of jpeg output standards. I like a blue sky over a green one so I tend to that myself, but I do like how your M10 exposes.
im sure youve been asked before but have you been getting any freezing issues. I just sent mine back because i kept getting the orange flashing light. I was using Sony Extreme cards but stopped. Even tried shooting with no card and it still did. Even with the newest Update
I'm in the same camp... not upgrading, but think the M11 is a worthy successor. $3k-4k for an upgrade, I would rather get Leica lenses for similar cost.
Used M10 Monochromes are just now going down in price because larger numbers of people are getting their hands on the new M11 Monochrom. So if I wanted an M11, I’d wait until a few months after the M12 comes out.
I feel that they could definitely drop the multi weighted metering into the m10 line with firmware to program the shutter to open. Would be dope if they gave it to the M10R at least. But maybe they couldn’t achieve this through software only 🤷🏻♂️
My M10-R will be fine for a few more years! Have you tried the SL2 body with your M lenses? I would be interested in your review. Thanks for the M11 review, it is a beauty for sure.
I’ve not tried either SL! Very tempted to try one out! There’s a scheme locally for like £40 for 48 hours! I’ve held one in the shop but never taken it out! My last video trying the Leica lenses on my Fuji XH2S has got me wanting to give it a go!
Are you aware that all M-mount lenses over the last 70+ years are MANUAL focus lenses? That’s why f1.4 M lens fits in a pocket. Life is too short to shoot big, ugly cameras like Canon/Sony/Fuji for personal stuff…and carry around lenses that weigh almost a kilo. @marklinman1
@@Goughiewhy would you base the price off the specs??? Price is based on materials used, scale of production, cost of packaging, marketing, distribution, labour. Get your facts straight.
I just got my M11 silver but haven’t tried it yet. I’m thinking of taking it to Lisbon during Christmas holidays to try it out and see if it could possibly replace my current Fujifilm kit (X-T3, X-Pro3, X100V & GFX 50R). It seems like it has the potential to do so and it would make a huge difference taking a single M with a couple of M lenses instead of my GFX & X set while travelling. Apart from that I’m quite tired of Fujifilm caring more about UA-cam influencers than actual photographers and crippling all their current bodies with features that compromise image quality & user expereince for convenience (f.e. PDAF, IBIS, video…). Leica doesn’t seem to do that at least with their M system.
I was talking to someone the other day about how the limitations of an M is part of what makes the experience However for a while the M240 annoyed me as it was my only camera, and the limitations became frustrating My current M10 sits alongside my XH2S and I have a much better relationship with the M10. Limitation but as a choice seems to be the sweet spot Feel like I’m rambling! Hopefully makes some sense!
IBIS is not photographic centric? I just upgraded to XT-5 from XT-2 (was waiting for them to fix XT-4). And the IBIS was the main reason I upgraded. And it's already great, being able to take handheld photos in lower light is game changer for me. The fact that I could do it with a zoom lens and didn't need to get out my prime for example.
@@yamibg TTaking handheld snapshots in bad light is not what I would consider the peak of photographic craftsmanship and definitely not worth sacrificing (quite a bit) of image quality in my opinion. I’m always surprised how little most people actually know about the downsides of this technology but apparently after initially refusing to implement it for exactly that reason manufacturers started to take advantage of this lack of knowledge and using it as a selling point.
@@TomWangArt you can't carry a flash everywhere or have time to setup a tripod in the perfect place when you are taking photos at your party or quick moments indoors. It's different type of photography. The downsides are worth the price when I can capture a moment that would be uncapturable otherwise. If you are doing professional photography, yeah, go have a light setup and secondary photographer and a tripod
I’m always so torn over the monochrom models! The main reason is that the sensor only records B&W… which means the image quality and noise is amazingly good However… it also means you can’t tweak the colour channels in post, like you can’t make blues darker for more contrasty skies etc Instead you have to do it in camera with filters etc! For me this one thing makes me question getting one
I haven’t properly checked, I can take a look! But gut feels says it’s not that much more if there is more! However if someone’s done some proper testing then their view is likely better than mine
@@Goughie Im curious. Have an m10 debating if the 11 is an upgrade that is wroth it or not. I always found dynamic range not that great on m10 compared to other cameras I own. Was hoping the 11 would be more like R5 and A7r type files where you can really pull back highlights on bright days.
@@Goughie One note: the USB-C charging on the go is a relatively poor experience. Don't expect to plug in and just be back to shooting. I'm on my second M11 now due to a shutter malfunction in the first, and the second has locked up a few times causing the battery to drain wildly. That said, still love it.
@@BillyHopscotch I’ve read a lot about issues, talking to some people there seem to be a belief the early models had more issues and they are far fewer now! But still buggy firmware
I borrowed a brand new M11 with 35mm lens a few days ago. I wanted to see what was so different about Leica and the always talked about ' Leica Look'. I have compared very detailed shots of the new M11, a Sony A7iii and Fujifilm XPro3. Aside from resolution, i seriously cannot fathom the extra $10000 price tag for the Leica. Sure the image is much higher in megapixels, but honestly all 3 cameras produced roughly the same quality photo. I appreciate that people like to purchase high end brands as they like prestige gear, but......i do not see it being worth it. For anyone stuck on the fence about getting a Leica camera, I can honestly say that if you have the money do what you want. i have the money to purchase a few of these M11's but to be brutally honest I cannot see any reason aside from social image status to own one. i have tested dynamic range and processed the photos like any normal consumer would and I would bet nobody reading this could determine which camera made which photo. Note to newcomers, DO NOT get caught up in the leica hype. Like all other mirrorless bodies, they are just sensors and a lens like any other mirrorless camera. After shelling out $10,000 plus for a leica, you are kidding yourself if you think your photos are superior to anything else a fifth the price on the market. Dont believe me?......rent one and see for yourself. I have leica raws and I could tell you they came from a sony a7iv and you would believe me as they look like any other camera. UA-camrs seem to pushing the Q2 at the moment, avoid it at all costs. You are not getting a camera that is superior in any way. Leica cameras do have once strength that none of the other brands have yet to achieve. Their bodies and lenses drain your wallets very quickly with no noticeable benefit to the owner. Maintenance on leica is insanely offensive too along with accessories. I dare you to prove me wrong.
I think you’ve missed the point, image quality isn’t the only reason to choose a camera, if it is then of course other cameras are better choices, you’ve missed that many people just want to enjoy using a camera that feels great and makes them want to shoot. And also cost wise, I’m about £2k up on my purchases as prices have risen. Which in many ways makes it the cheapest brand I’ve ever owned.
Leica M’s were never about the raw file you get back. You can get a great raw file from any good $1,000+ camera and make it look like anything you want.
@@carlosmcse and ironically if you do want performance the M11 is the right camera as all this chat about the sensor and last time I checked DxOMark actually rate the sensor as the best non medium format sensor ever made 😂
Fantastic video Goughie!
As if Leicas weren't amazing enough, the M11 takes it all to a whole new level.
Great comparisons, and as always, gorgeous photos mate!
This camera looks phenomenal thank you for walking us through it. Price difference is huge but like you said you can safe up and wait for the right time. The m11 seemed to upgrade their technology for the better.
For sure! Big difference price wise! And thankfully a pretty big difference with the camera too! Cheers for the support mate! Keep them videos coming!
I love my M11. I went for the black, because of the weight difference (and it didn't feel cheap at all ;) ).
I mostly use it @ 36mp mostly because I feel I have more shaky images at 60mp (maybe it's just in my head...)
The 3 things that made me choose the 11 instead of a 10 are the USB-C port, the battery life and the 64 internat memory (which I don't understand why it's not present in every camera).
Nice vid as usual :)
That’s good to know! It’ll be a tough decision on colour when it comes to buying!!
I do think that it might become the norm! I think the new Hasselblad now has it too! So it might filter down pretty quick!
Cracking video mate. Just watched yours and Fred Ranger’s vids and aside for the extra dynamic range it’s definitely the little perks of the camera that peak my interest more. The metering and internal memory are the two I would love to upgrade for, although I may need to wait a while before I upgrade from the m10 😅
Good video man 👍🏻! Pretty much agree with all the arguments you mentioned. Personally, I’m holding out for an M11-P version. I just like the aesthetic a bit more (if it looks a lot like the M10-P).
Cheers mate! Ooooooof the M11P could be awesome!
I really like your analysis. I think the new camera was most likely a ground-up redesign, internally, and clearly represents a major step forward in Leica’s journey toward making a full frame digital M a true worthy successor to its historic (and current) film-based M bodies. Plus, of course, the digital M actually out performs its analog cousins in many respects. The flip of the buttons left of the rear screen was done in order to bring the design into conformity with the SL2/Sl2S and Q2 models so that users can seamlessly shift from one to another. By the way, the black M11 is a bit over 5 ounces lighter than the M10 models (18 vs. 23.2) and 4 ounces lighter than the silver M11 (22.6 ounces, so, much closer to the M10). For comparison, the MP weighs 21 ounces and the new M6 weighs 20 ounces. Given that so much of the user experience depends upon lens choice, I’m not sure how much difference an ounce or two makes. I think it comes down to a choice of finish preference. Best wishes for accomplishing your interim goals and acquiring an M11!
Yes! I’ve since read into the weight differences! I have no complaints at all with the weight of my M10, so silver is definitely a consideration! Maybe brassing is what will sway it!
Thank you for the info on the button switch! Make sense it all now matches up!
excellent review, actually the most informative review out there, so thanks very much ! zen billings in canada
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed!
I have the M11 and could nod be happier. Always a pleasure to shoot with it.
Awesome! Hopefully I’ll be saying the same too!
Not like I'll be able to afford it but I simply don't understand that camera with such a price tag doesn't have 3 way tilting screen.
@@kamilpotato3764 3 way screen on an M, that would upset a lot of people 😂 they haven’t even done that on the SL series yet
@@Goughie I don’t see any reason why. Such a camera is perfect for street photography and everyday photography by the looks of it. It would greatly help with odd angles composition and shooting
Nice comparison, I've been waiting to see what your detailed assessment is. I would not have thought that the battery life is then so drastically different. I think wen ndu wait kansnt you make a good bargain. Here in germany, a wedding photographer once sold the m11 with thumb rest and grip for 6700€ (£5,745). if I had not bought mine before, I would have bought it.
Cheapest I’ve got to so far is £6000!
I loved the M11..I had two which died after a couple of weeks use so now use the very reliable M10-R which is great but I really miss the beautiful rendering of the 11.
The early ones seemed to be a nightmare!! So many dodgy ones! I actually think the M10 and M10R have the nicer rendering, but 60MP is aweosme
As an M11 user, I feel people overlook the main upgrade: USB-C. I have never, ever, removed the battery or the SD card. An iPad, a 100Mbps usbc cale and that's all we need. File transfer is 80% of a card reader, and charges it really quick. Just thinking about the hassle of an M10? No way!
I think I say in this, battery life and USBC is my favourite new feature
My advice is this: Your camera is not a charger.
Take the advice or leave it, but remember I said so.
@@carlosmcse Very good advise,please listen!!!☝🏻
With overall darker exposure and a white balance that tends towards cool magenta, it looks like the Leica M11 is close to a Fujifilm camera in terms of jpeg output standards. I like a blue sky over a green one so I tend to that myself, but I do like how your M10 exposes.
No-one seems to be talking about diffraction with this new sensor. Is it a non-issue somehow? Really interesting thanks 👍
How often have you looked at an image and thought, if only there wasn’t so much diffraction?
I have always been a black guy but the silver might win for me with the m11. I like the brass and the weight.
im sure youve been asked before but have you been getting any freezing issues. I just sent mine back because i kept getting the orange flashing light. I was using Sony Extreme cards but stopped. Even tried shooting with no card and it still did. Even with the newest Update
Hi there, covered this in my most recent video, I’m one of the super lucky ones that don’t suffer with these issues
I'm in the same camp... not upgrading, but think the M11 is a worthy successor. $3k-4k for an upgrade, I would rather get Leica lenses for similar cost.
Used M10 Monochromes are just now going down in price because larger numbers of people are getting their hands on the new M11 Monochrom. So if I wanted an M11, I’d wait until a few months after the M12 comes out.
Was 5 years between the M10 and M11! 3 1/2 years yet to wait! 😭
I feel that they could definitely drop the multi weighted metering into the m10 line with firmware to program the shutter to open. Would be dope if they gave it to the M10R at least. But maybe they couldn’t achieve this through software only 🤷🏻♂️
Probably removes too big of a reason to upgrade! Or am I just being cynical 😂
@@Goughie idk if that would convince me to jump from say an M10R to the M11. Maybe from the og M10. The variable sensor is definitely super intriguing
My M10-R will be fine for a few more years! Have you tried the SL2 body with your M lenses? I would be interested in your review. Thanks for the M11 review, it is a beauty for sure.
I’ve not tried either SL! Very tempted to try one out! There’s a scheme locally for like £40 for 48 hours!
I’ve held one in the shop but never taken it out! My last video trying the Leica lenses on my Fuji XH2S has got me wanting to give it a go!
Honestly. Your M10R will be fine for as long as there are electronic component to fix it. This may be for the rest of your natural life.
Love it, but GOD for 9 grand it is still MANUAL focus, I cant get my head around that. Still a GORGEOUS and AMAZING camera.
Price is irrational based on the specs for sure!
@@Goughie Agreed.
I have happily paid the price because of it’s manual focus. The manual focus experience with all that focus by wire crap is horrible…
Are you aware that all M-mount lenses over the last 70+ years are MANUAL focus lenses? That’s why f1.4 M lens fits in a pocket. Life is too short to shoot big, ugly cameras like Canon/Sony/Fuji for personal stuff…and carry around lenses that weigh almost a kilo. @marklinman1
@@Goughiewhy would you base the price off the specs??? Price is based on materials used, scale of production, cost of packaging, marketing, distribution, labour. Get your facts straight.
I just got my M11 silver but haven’t tried it yet. I’m thinking of taking it to Lisbon during Christmas holidays to try it out and see if it could possibly replace my current Fujifilm kit (X-T3, X-Pro3, X100V & GFX 50R). It seems like it has the potential to do so and it would make a huge difference taking a single M with a couple of M lenses instead of my GFX & X set while travelling. Apart from that I’m quite tired of Fujifilm caring more about UA-cam influencers than actual photographers and crippling all their current bodies with features that compromise image quality & user expereince for convenience (f.e. PDAF, IBIS, video…). Leica doesn’t seem to do that at least with their M system.
I was talking to someone the other day about how the limitations of an M is part of what makes the experience
However for a while the M240 annoyed me as it was my only camera, and the limitations became frustrating
My current M10 sits alongside my XH2S and I have a much better relationship with the M10. Limitation but as a choice seems to be the sweet spot
Feel like I’m rambling! Hopefully makes some sense!
IBIS is not photographic centric? I just upgraded to XT-5 from XT-2 (was waiting for them to fix XT-4).
And the IBIS was the main reason I upgraded. And it's already great, being able to take handheld photos in lower light is game changer for me.
The fact that I could do it with a zoom lens and didn't need to get out my prime for example.
@@yamibg I wouldn’t be without ibis in my XH2S, would make video awful without it, also with the 70-300 OS it’s crazy! 👌🏻
@@yamibg TTaking handheld snapshots in bad light is not what I would consider the peak of photographic craftsmanship and definitely not worth sacrificing (quite a bit) of image quality in my opinion. I’m always surprised how little most people actually know about the downsides of this technology but apparently after initially refusing to implement it for exactly that reason manufacturers started to take advantage of this lack of knowledge and using it as a selling point.
@@TomWangArt you can't carry a flash everywhere or have time to setup a tripod in the perfect place when you are taking photos at your party or quick moments indoors.
It's different type of photography. The downsides are worth the price when I can capture a moment that would be uncapturable otherwise.
If you are doing professional photography, yeah, go have a light setup and secondary photographer and a tripod
Try the black one, lighter and it does not feel cheaper, really doesn’t.
A few people have said that! Really good to know! As black I think is my preference
does the m10 get the film styles?
I’ll stick with Fuji; great video though
What's your opinion on the lieca q2 monochrome please? I'm a Fuji shooter but I keep thinking about treating myself to the q2!
I’m always so torn over the monochrom models! The main reason is that the sensor only records B&W… which means the image quality and noise is amazingly good
However… it also means you can’t tweak the colour channels in post, like you can’t make blues darker for more contrasty skies etc
Instead you have to do it in camera with filters etc! For me this one thing makes me question getting one
@@Goughie perfect thanks for that very much appreciated
Love the video :) would prefer the m10 over the m11 due to the colour profile and huge price difference but overall, nice comparison!
Man, how hard was it to give that camera back :)
I shouldn’t have tried it, I knew it was a bad idea….. but I did it anyway 😂
@@Goughie yep. I got the M9, now I really want the Monochrom or 262…. Well any really :)
Is the dynamic range much better then m10 like people say
I haven’t properly checked, I can take a look! But gut feels says it’s not that much more if there is more! However if someone’s done some proper testing then their view is likely better than mine
@@Goughie Im curious. Have an m10 debating if the 11 is an upgrade that is wroth it or not. I always found dynamic range not that great on m10 compared to other cameras I own. Was hoping the 11 would be more like R5 and A7r type files where you can really pull back highlights on bright days.
@@schumif1champ looking at the websites that compare sensors like DXO the M11 is the the best full frame sensor
@@Goughie Yes but when I look at samples including yours I just don't see that difference so far.
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The black M11 feels plenty premium, fear not.
I’ll honestly be so torn when it comes to choosing!
@@Goughie One note: the USB-C charging on the go is a relatively poor experience. Don't expect to plug in and just be back to shooting. I'm on my second M11 now due to a shutter malfunction in the first, and the second has locked up a few times causing the battery to drain wildly. That said, still love it.
@@BillyHopscotch I’ve read a lot about issues, talking to some people there seem to be a belief the early models had more issues and they are far fewer now! But still buggy firmware
@@Goughie sounds about right. I'm hoping for some firmware updates soon.
I borrowed a brand new M11 with 35mm lens a few days ago. I wanted to see what was so different about Leica and the always talked about ' Leica Look'. I have compared very detailed shots of the new M11, a Sony A7iii and Fujifilm XPro3. Aside from resolution, i seriously cannot fathom the extra $10000 price tag for the Leica. Sure the image is much higher in megapixels, but honestly all 3 cameras produced roughly the same quality photo. I appreciate that people like to purchase high end brands as they like prestige gear, but......i do not see it being worth it. For anyone stuck on the fence about getting a Leica camera, I can honestly say that if you have the money do what you want. i have the money to purchase a few of these M11's but to be brutally honest I cannot see any reason aside from social image status to own one. i have tested dynamic range and processed the photos like any normal consumer would and I would bet nobody reading this could determine which camera made which photo. Note to newcomers, DO NOT get caught up in the leica hype. Like all other mirrorless bodies, they are just sensors and a lens like any other mirrorless camera. After shelling out $10,000 plus for a leica, you are kidding yourself if you think your photos are superior to anything else a fifth the price on the market. Dont believe me?......rent one and see for yourself. I have leica raws and I could tell you they came from a sony a7iv and you would believe me as they look like any other camera. UA-camrs seem to pushing the Q2 at the moment, avoid it at all costs. You are not getting a camera that is superior in any way. Leica cameras do have once strength that none of the other brands have yet to achieve. Their bodies and lenses drain your wallets very quickly with no noticeable benefit to the owner. Maintenance on leica is insanely offensive too along with accessories. I dare you to prove me wrong.
I think you’ve missed the point, image quality isn’t the only reason to choose a camera, if it is then of course other cameras are better choices, you’ve missed that many people just want to enjoy using a camera that feels great and makes them want to shoot.
And also cost wise, I’m about £2k up on my purchases as prices have risen. Which in many ways makes it the cheapest brand I’ve ever owned.
Leica M’s were never about the raw file you get back. You can get a great raw file from any good $1,000+ camera and make it look like anything you want.
@@carlosmcse and ironically if you do want performance the M11 is the right camera as all this chat about the sensor and last time I checked DxOMark actually rate the sensor as the best non medium format sensor ever made 😂
Hardly any reviewer has mentioned the significant problems with the M11, ie the LCD, there are problems but some are resolved by firmware
I have pure lust for the M11 and I'm not sorry. 🥲
It’s so hard to resist!