This kind of commentary while flying is exactly what I've been looking for in WW2 dogfighting. It's really good to finally be able to put a name to these maneuvers and get a glimpse of the tactical thinking behind them.
Very interesting, especially as you explain your considerations as you're going along. One thing struck me a peculiar: as far as I know, the K4 has a much better turn rate than the P-47 at low altitude, yet the AI kept on insisting on the B&Z approach in the last fight. I would suspect that the K4 would have been much more dangerous had he focussed more on a two circle fight. Nevertheless, very well done and thanks for putting it on YT 👍
AFAIK DCS AI heavily relies on energy fighting, and will maneuver essentially based on energy consideration. Once you force it to enter in angle competition .... well, it just won't do it, it'll "just" execute the best maneuver to maximise its energy gain against yours.
If you research the a P47 and its performance. The P47s turn rates vs 109 variants, the P47 is equal to or just behind them depending on altitude in a two circle fight. However, the 109s have a far superior instant turn rate, the 109 would favor a 1 circle fight. I don't think any sim accurately simulates P47s or P51s. IL 2 I think nailed the P51 I guess but the P47 feels nothing like it should in that sim.
Someone sorta got to it before me but the best situation for a Bf-109 against a P-47 was a one-circle fight. The P-47 actually had a pretty good turn RATE, (a better turn rate than the Bf 109), so it would favor a two circle fight where it could get its nose around faster. The Bf 109 had a better turn RADIUS, (actually at high altitude the P-47 also had a better turn radius than both the Bf 109 and the Fw 190 due to its power advantage, but we're talking mid-low altitude), so the Bf 109 would favor a one-circle fight.
anecdotal note on my end from flying the 51 vs AI. I concur that Veteran AI don't ufo and are typically easy to kill or make odd mistakes (such as in the final fight it insisting the bnz fight was proper vs '47 over a 2 circle fight) Switch the AI to 'Ace' and the story radically changes. I prefer the ufo ace AI, they can be overcome but with difficulty. They are amidst changes and my experience in recent years been seen to fly full throttle with rads popped, with engine damaged, climb in excess of 30 minutes at full power (f2 info bar used). In recent times i.e. after damage model update they seem to be able to cheat less but I believe it is still present in a few forms. Cheers and thanks for the 47 show, glad to see you won't change your ways of the spitfire getting so close with guns. If you train that sight really does work. And so do the 50's at convergence around 1000ft.
Just started getting into WB flying, and finding dogfighting difficult to understand all the dynamics. It’s kind of overwhelming for a beginner thats where this video and your excellent description helps. Thanks for this video, big help. I would love to see a tack view of these dogfights with your description, that would show flight in a 3d environment.
Awesome video. Great to hear your thoughts throughout the fight. Have you made any similar videos in the P-51 ? Looking forward to some multiplayer videos, if that happens :D
I've always felt the P-47 doesn't get the praise it deserves. Always in the shadow of the P-51. And yet it was the P-47 that was taking the fight to the luftwaffe in 1942/43 when the luftwaffe was still an effective fighting force. The only thing that hampered it was its poor range. That big Pratt and Whitney R2800 double wasp was a thirsty beast. And even with drop tanks could only get to the German border. But with the use of proper tactics. Thunderbolt pilots were able to inflict unsustainable losses on thevLuftwaffe. killing off German pilots faster then they could be trained. These loss rates caused the German's to concentrate their fighter defenses round Germany itself. Freeing up air space over much of Europe. Allowing the Allies to achieve total air supremacy over France. Giving them a decisive advantage when Operation Overlord was launched on June 6th 1944. By the time the P-51C/D models became available in sufficient numbers. The Luftwaffe was a shadow of its former self. With many of its pilots poorly trained and inexperienced. While yes it was the P-51 that finished off the Luftwaffe downing an astonishing 4950 aircraft. It was the Thunderbolt that wounded and crippled the German fighter groups when they were at their strongest in the first place.
I agree with many of the things you said. However I can't help myself but be an ass and correct two things. The Thunderbolt's first mission was in March 1943, so sadly it never saw combat in any part of 1942. Secondly, the Thunderbolt did have a pretty good range. It was fairly mediocre without drop tanks, but with drop tanks it could go very far. Do not take my word for it, but I do believe I have read in multiple sources that the Thunderbolt was the first Allied fighter over Berlin, (maybe it was the Lightning, I can't remember). The main reason it has been noted as having poor range is due to cover-ups in for the bomber mafia heading the eighth air force. For more info look up part six of Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles eight part series on the P-47 Thunderbolt. He explains it better than I ever could. Now don't get me wrong, the Thunderbolt's range was never quite as good as the Mustang's, (until the N model in the Pacific where it was far superior), but it was never far behind and was certainly not as bad as it's portrayed. All around it's a great plane that deserves more attention.
Bit workmanlike, PS, but that's what I love - your steady, efficient competence. Thanks for continuing to produce these videos. And yeah, raw commentary was the right choice!
Very useful video and comments. I’d love to see more technical insight into the different planes like this. I have been training with the AI as well, particularly turning off LABELS, as I learned that I was relying on the label moving underneath or behind the plane and frames, so I was deadly precise in my turns. If you take away the labels, there is a whole new layer of maneuvering complexity that I was completely lacking. My improvements show on the PvP arena.
I am a WWII history buff and when the new Normandy map came out I was hooked. I just downloaded it along with the WWII asset pack and my choice of first warbird to master is the P47 Jug. I was debating hard between it and the Mustang, also the Spitfire and Mosquito. But from what I have seen and read, the Jug is the best general purpose bird and the best starting platform to enter the warbird arena. So now I am devouring all the Jug content I can get to improve. Glad I found this channel. Liked and subbed.
Very nice. I watched this after I was on Storm of War in the 109. I scored 1 pony, but the adrenaline rush made me land and watch some instructional vids and chill.
Hello. I just started dcs. I have a questions. I only have dora. I can't find a server that is only ww2. Where can I see how open the radiator flaps are in Dora Does it have an indicator in the cockpit? I've been playing il2 for a year and a half. Dcs is a better quality game. But ww2 player count is disappointing. I'm waiting for your suggestions to enjoy
Very instructive. Like the way you do this. Fond of the Jug since my dad served in the 353rd Fighter Group (not a pilot) which used them while he was there.
Great video, Phil. Hearing you talk out what you're doing is super helpful. If I may, I'd lie to suggest that the next one of these you also display the stick/rudder/throttle position so that we can visually see your movements. It would be a big help, especially when you're talking about rudder issues or how light you are being on the controls.
I love doing the instant action dogfights as practice, and quick fun. Getting in close is the tactic Eric Harmann used. He had to bail out a few times because his 109 got hit by debris from aircraft he was shooting at.
That's no mean feat - four fights for 4 kills confirmed. The P 47 is indeed a beast, but you show handled "with care" it can win the fight. Looking forward to the Mosquito. I wonder how it handled the 109 and 190? I guess we'll see. Did they stop to fight, or just use her speed to get the hell out? She was more a bomber than fighter, I think.
Another thing that annoys me is how ED modeled the .50s like pop guns. They do NO damage and just spark and look flashy. Nothing like how they work in real life. Of course all the other warbirds have cannons, so they just shred you to pieces with a few rounds. Yet in the 47 and 51 you have to literally put dozens and dozens of rounds into the target before it will actually go down. So so annoying.
Thanks for th video. Was your constant use of flaps in turns a thing in the real Jug? Doesn't it hamper speed too much? I've always staed away from too much flaps usage, probably a huge mistake on my part
I'm fairly confident that pilots were not dropping flap historically to increase turn performance. DCS does not model the damage to aircraft that comes with high-speed flap deployment as far as I can tell, on all modules. The benefits of flap (lift + drag) over speed seem to be mainly relevant for a game where losing doesn't really matter.
Good. I was looking for this kind of video. Re-learning how too fly this beast. And now with the new ammo, it is easier to get some shots and really damage the opponent.
Just getting used to the P47, well not at all yet to be honest... :) It's a tough bird to fly when you are used to a spitfire like I am. I keep doing what I did in a spitfire and shooting myself in the foot. Your video has been very educational, thanks. You're rocking it, but still, it is also confirmation for me that it's actually a tough plane. Which helps me persevere!
My problem is on 1440 monitor is keeping track of the planes, it seems if I lose sight then I won't find them again until I'm getting shot at 😅. This is without labels on because I'm training to get for online.
Smooooth! Are you using curves or turned down your saturation (IE: spitty)? I’ve also been playing around with the jug, and she’s surprisingly twitchy. I’m still on the first fight, so if you covered this I apologize.
The P-47 fights you every step of the way. It's so frustrating and annoying. Can't even flat turn in it without it fighting you and trying to just drop out of the sky. It absolutely HATES diving. Hates climbing. Hates everything. It's just a very hateful machine that does not want to do anything it's told.
Like I thought if I watched videos of others flying it, I'd learn something and maybe see someone fly it perfectly, but no. It is the same for everyone else too it just fights you and does not want to do anything except be on the ground and shut off. Every minute it's forced to run it gets angrier and less responsive.
Great video Phil. Few "good" pilots are able to articulate what they are doing as they do it. That type of pilot needs to know his aircraft (which requires practice) AND be able to think ahead; combining those skills allows him to get inside the enemy's OODA loop. Thank you for a great example!
If the 109 at the end was skilled 1 below max.....i would say max skill is not really ace. the last fight you would have been shot down a couple of times, if a skilled player pilot would have been flown that 109.
Superb Documentary for the DCS P-47. I just tried the dogfight before this video and I knew my mistakes- I was simply used to lightweight fighter designs. Thank You Kindly- Subb'ed
Brilliant to have you back! Would you recommend twining against the AI now the have improved their logic? Would it work the way around too, for those who fly German?
Would be nice if they gave the US fighters their historical performance. My understanding is that the P-47 is only running on 56"HG Wet WEP, which is ~500hp lower than what it was using months before any 109K4 was in the air.
That higher power setting was achieved with 150 octane fuel. The HEAF decided to not use the 150 octane fuel for overlord. So on the Normandy map, the 56" power setting is applicable. The chaps running escorts further into Germany were using it. More info here: www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/150-grade-fuel.html
@@philstyle If you're talking about historical accuracy, the 109K4 didn't enter service until after the whole of France was liberated (Oct., 1944). It would not have been present for Operation Overlord over Normandy. Seeing a 109k4 fight a 56"HG over Normandy is largely ahistorical, especially considering that the initial 109K4s were using reduced engine settings compared to what I think the K4's in DCS are using. Basically, you have a possibly early-1945 fighter fighting in a mission that occurred at least half a year before its introduction. (I could be mistaken about the K4 engine settings in DCS, though). I understand that certain P-47 squadrons were not using 150 octane fuel after its entry to service, but the 8th Air Force was, and P-47s regularly adopted secondary patrol missions after they had completed their escort duties. It's not unlikely that a 70"HG P-47 would intercept 109s over France / Normandy on his way back to Britain. So if you're going to allow a fighter to time travel back in time to participate in a mission that occurred half a year before its entry to service, it only makes sense that fighters running engine settings of the time that were likely to be present for that mission should also be available.
@@philstyle 70"HG P-47 and 75"HG P-51 were operational in high numbers in May / June of 1944. I don't think you can honestly categorize them as being a slippery slope to 1945. A 109K4 and a 190 Dora are much closer to 1945 (if not actually running with 1945 engine settings). If you wanted a historical representation of Operation Overlord, you would have US 56"HG P-47s loaded with ground ordnance, 70"HG P-47s with no ordnance flying fighter sweeps, 67"HG p-51s loaded with ground ordnance 75"HG P-51s with no ordnance flying fighter sweeps, Versus 109Gs and Fw190Antons. As it currently is, you have ahistorically gimped US fighters flying against ahistorically advanced fighters, which by my understanding leaves the US fighters completely outclassed. A 1.98ATA K4 is a difficult challenge for even the boosted US fighters. Against the gimped US fighters, the gap in performance is significant.
Hi in your opinion how would rate each warbird in DCS? I’m looking at getting another one in the sale I current have the spit and p51 Which would you suggest to get and why Thanks
I don't like how you re-recorded. I'm struggling to follow your train of thought when flying due to the fact that you're looking one way with track IR, but in the game you were looking a completely different way with vr
@@Owen-fn8ff 109 has the advantage of engine power at all altitudes, against all our birds. Only because of the wings, it is more difficult for him to stay at a height. I'm sorry ,I use a translator
@@Mamba_DCS Thank you for the extra information. Your English is fine, I understand. That means that if the P47 stays high, it has a good chance of winning.
@@Owen-fn8ff It all depends of course on the pilot )) Online p47 is easier to use - who saw it first has an advantage. Here we are talking about a 1x1 duel. 2-3 loops with 109 and 47 will already be in zeros.
This kind of commentary while flying is exactly what I've been looking for in WW2 dogfighting. It's really good to finally be able to put a name to these maneuvers and get a glimpse of the tactical thinking behind them.
exactly this comment!
Very interesting, especially as you explain your considerations as you're going along. One thing struck me a peculiar: as far as I know, the K4 has a much better turn rate than the P-47 at low altitude, yet the AI kept on insisting on the B&Z approach in the last fight. I would suspect that the K4 would have been much more dangerous had he focussed more on a two circle fight. Nevertheless, very well done and thanks for putting it on YT 👍
Yeah, thats more an AI issue, not knowing the specific relative strengths it has. A human player would not have let me get away with it.
AFAIK DCS AI heavily relies on energy fighting, and will maneuver essentially based on energy consideration. Once you force it to enter in angle competition .... well, it just won't do it, it'll "just" execute the best maneuver to maximise its energy gain against yours.
If you research the a P47 and its performance. The P47s turn rates vs 109 variants, the P47 is equal to or just behind them depending on altitude in a two circle fight. However, the 109s have a far superior instant turn rate, the 109 would favor a 1 circle fight. I don't think any sim accurately simulates P47s or P51s. IL 2 I think nailed the P51 I guess but the P47 feels nothing like it should in that sim.
Someone sorta got to it before me but the best situation for a Bf-109 against a P-47 was a one-circle fight. The P-47 actually had a pretty good turn RATE, (a better turn rate than the Bf 109), so it would favor a two circle fight where it could get its nose around faster. The Bf 109 had a better turn RADIUS, (actually at high altitude the P-47 also had a better turn radius than both the Bf 109 and the Fw 190 due to its power advantage, but we're talking mid-low altitude), so the Bf 109 would favor a one-circle fight.
I'm very interested on the P47 since it was used by my country (Brazil) in Italy during WWII, mostly as an attacker. Such a cool plane.
That was really enjoyable with the commentary.
anecdotal note on my end from flying the 51 vs AI.
I concur that Veteran AI don't ufo and are typically easy to kill or make odd mistakes (such as in the final fight it insisting the bnz fight was proper vs '47 over a 2 circle fight)
Switch the AI to 'Ace' and the story radically changes. I prefer the ufo ace AI, they can be overcome but with difficulty. They are amidst changes and my experience in recent years been seen to fly full throttle with rads popped, with engine damaged, climb in excess of 30 minutes at full power (f2 info bar used). In recent times i.e. after damage model update they seem to be able to cheat less but I believe it is still present in a few forms.
Cheers and thanks for the 47 show, glad to see you won't change your ways of the spitfire getting so close with guns. If you train that sight really does work. And so do the 50's at convergence around 1000ft.
Just started getting into WB flying, and finding dogfighting difficult to understand all the dynamics.
It’s kind of overwhelming for a beginner thats where this video and your excellent description helps.
Thanks for this video, big help.
I would love to see a tack view of these dogfights with your description, that would show flight in a 3d environment.
very good learning tool with your commentary
Nice, not many P-47 dogfight videos out there from what I can find.
Love Jugs..
Awesome video. Great to hear your thoughts throughout the fight. Have you made any similar videos in the P-51 ?
Looking forward to some multiplayer videos, if that happens :D
I've always felt the P-47 doesn't get the praise it deserves. Always in the shadow of the P-51. And yet it was the P-47 that was taking the fight to the luftwaffe in 1942/43 when the luftwaffe was still an effective fighting force. The only thing that hampered it was its poor range. That big Pratt and Whitney R2800 double wasp was a thirsty beast. And even with drop tanks could only get to the German border. But with the use of proper tactics. Thunderbolt pilots were able to inflict unsustainable losses on thevLuftwaffe. killing off German pilots faster then they could be trained. These loss rates caused the German's to concentrate their fighter defenses round Germany itself. Freeing up air space over much of Europe. Allowing the Allies to achieve total air supremacy over France. Giving them a decisive advantage when Operation Overlord was launched on June 6th 1944.
By the time the P-51C/D models became available in sufficient numbers. The Luftwaffe was a shadow of its former self. With many of its pilots poorly trained and inexperienced. While yes it was the P-51 that finished off the Luftwaffe downing an astonishing 4950 aircraft. It was the Thunderbolt that wounded and crippled the German fighter groups when they were at their strongest in the first place.
I agree with many of the things you said. However I can't help myself but be an ass and correct two things. The Thunderbolt's first mission was in March 1943, so sadly it never saw combat in any part of 1942. Secondly, the Thunderbolt did have a pretty good range. It was fairly mediocre without drop tanks, but with drop tanks it could go very far. Do not take my word for it, but I do believe I have read in multiple sources that the Thunderbolt was the first Allied fighter over Berlin, (maybe it was the Lightning, I can't remember). The main reason it has been noted as having poor range is due to cover-ups in for the bomber mafia heading the eighth air force. For more info look up part six of Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles eight part series on the P-47 Thunderbolt. He explains it better than I ever could. Now don't get me wrong, the Thunderbolt's range was never quite as good as the Mustang's, (until the N model in the Pacific where it was far superior), but it was never far behind and was certainly not as bad as it's portrayed. All around it's a great plane that deserves more attention.
Excellent video!
Bit workmanlike, PS, but that's what I love - your steady, efficient competence.
Thanks for continuing to produce these videos. And yeah, raw commentary was the right choice!
Very useful video and comments. I’d love to see more technical insight into the different planes like this. I have been training with the AI as well, particularly turning off LABELS, as I learned that I was relying on the label moving underneath or behind the plane and frames, so I was deadly precise in my turns. If you take away the labels, there is a whole new layer of maneuvering complexity that I was completely lacking. My improvements show on the PvP arena.
Excellent video! Exactly what I was wanting to see! Cant wait to see how much of your tactics can be applied to a human opponent!!!
I am a WWII history buff and when the new Normandy map came out I was hooked. I just downloaded it along with the WWII asset pack and my choice of first warbird to master is the P47 Jug. I was debating hard between it and the Mustang, also the Spitfire and Mosquito. But from what I have seen and read, the Jug is the best general purpose bird and the best starting platform to enter the warbird arena. So now I am devouring all the Jug content I can get to improve. Glad I found this channel. Liked and subbed.
Very nice. I watched this after I was on Storm of War in the 109. I scored 1 pony, but the adrenaline rush made me land and watch some instructional vids and chill.
Hello. I just started dcs. I have a questions. I only have dora. I can't find a server that is only ww2. Where can I see how open the radiator flaps are in Dora
Does it have an indicator in the cockpit?
I've been playing il2 for a year and a half.
Dcs is a better quality game.
But ww2 player count is disappointing.
I'm waiting for your suggestions to enjoy
Very instructive. Like the way you do this. Fond of the Jug since my dad served in the 353rd Fighter Group (not a pilot) which used them while he was there.
Great video, Phil. Hearing you talk out what you're doing is super helpful. If I may, I'd lie to suggest that the next one of these you also display the stick/rudder/throttle position so that we can visually see your movements. It would be a big help, especially when you're talking about rudder issues or how light you are being on the controls.
I love doing the instant action dogfights as practice, and quick fun. Getting in close is the tactic Eric Harmann used. He had to bail out a few times because his 109 got hit by debris from aircraft he was shooting at.
The Il-2 ones, you mean?
@@LosBerkos No, DCS instant action.
Just got the Jug and have had a hard time getting a feel for it since it's my first warbird; this is quite helpful
That's no mean feat - four fights for 4 kills confirmed. The P 47 is indeed a beast, but you show handled "with care" it can win the fight. Looking forward to the Mosquito. I wonder how it handled the 109 and 190? I guess we'll see. Did they stop to fight, or just use her speed to get the hell out? She was more a bomber than fighter, I think.
The biggest thing I noticed was your patience (most of the time :).
Thanks for the video, Think I may just get the P-47 and do some practicing.
Damn it, you're making me want to buy the P-47 :p
We'll done, good video. This was exactly what I was looking for.
What kind of self respecting trainer doesn't talk about circles constantly? You're supposed to say the circle number like every 20 seconds!
Hahahaha... yeah, nauseating.
Comments, as others mention, are extremely helpful. I'm hoping to learn this aircraft and your commentary will help I think.
Hearing you work through it, particularly with recovering from mistakes is insanely helpful. More so than some of the much bigger channels.
Have to agree on the AI behavior, I've flown a lot of fights vs AI and they seem way better now compared to a few years ago.
Thank you Phil. That was VERY educational. It helped that I'm doing a good portion of my learning in the -30
Lovely vid! Thanks for making it! Was very interesting to see this big bird perform at different altitudes etc. Very cool! :)
Very entertaining and informative. 👍👍
Absolutely love your tutorials and action. I've learnt so much from them Phil. Happy new year mate.
Another thing that annoys me is how ED modeled the .50s like pop guns. They do NO damage and just spark and look flashy. Nothing like how they work in real life. Of course all the other warbirds have cannons, so they just shred you to pieces with a few rounds. Yet in the 47 and 51 you have to literally put dozens and dozens of rounds into the target before it will actually go down. So so annoying.
Thanks for th video. Was your constant use of flaps in turns a thing in the real Jug? Doesn't it hamper speed too much? I've always staed away from too much flaps usage, probably a huge mistake on my part
I'm fairly confident that pilots were not dropping flap historically to increase turn performance. DCS does not model the damage to aircraft that comes with high-speed flap deployment as far as I can tell, on all modules.
The benefits of flap (lift + drag) over speed seem to be mainly relevant for a game where losing doesn't really matter.
Good. I was looking for this kind of video. Re-learning how too fly this beast. And now with the new ammo, it is easier to get some shots and really damage the opponent.
Just getting used to the P47, well not at all yet to be honest... :) It's a tough bird to fly when you are used to a spitfire like I am. I keep doing what I did in a spitfire and shooting myself in the foot. Your video has been very educational, thanks. You're rocking it, but still, it is also confirmation for me that it's actually a tough plane. Which helps me persevere!
My problem is on 1440 monitor is keeping track of the planes, it seems if I lose sight then I won't find them again until I'm getting shot at 😅. This is without labels on because I'm training to get for online.
09:25 ....and there's a longnose Dora that has latched onto my 6 and aaaaagghhh!
Smooooth! Are you using curves or turned down your saturation (IE: spitty)? I’ve also been playing around with the jug, and she’s surprisingly twitchy. I’m still on the first fight, so if you covered this I apologize.
A little but, mainly on elevators. Not much though, nothing like what I need with the spitfire.
Rudder & ailerons are default.
@@philstyle thanks. That’s what I’ve got as well atm - everything default except (iirc as I’m at work) 87 saturation on the Y axis.
against a 109 in a p-47? good job. Did the opponent have MW50?
First fight is textbook high alt 47 chasing away germans.
if this was a human in k4 you would be dead .. its just fly circels in front of you and doest shoot,,,, lol
I always destroy my Engine when dogfight with the p47 🥴
The P-47 fights you every step of the way. It's so frustrating and annoying. Can't even flat turn in it without it fighting you and trying to just drop out of the sky. It absolutely HATES diving. Hates climbing. Hates everything. It's just a very hateful machine that does not want to do anything it's told.
Like I thought if I watched videos of others flying it, I'd learn something and maybe see someone fly it perfectly, but no. It is the same for everyone else too it just fights you and does not want to do anything except be on the ground and shut off. Every minute it's forced to run it gets angrier and less responsive.
I’d love to know what your setup is:
joystick, thruster, VR, etc.
It's in the video description
Thanks. Sorry I missed it.
As you’ve changed some of your controls over time (VKB SCG vs Warthog and VR vs IR), I’d love to hear a bit about why.
Great video Phil. Few "good" pilots are able to articulate what they are doing as they do it. That type of pilot needs to know his aircraft (which requires practice) AND be able to think ahead; combining those skills allows him to get inside the enemy's OODA loop. Thank you for a great example!
There was a real one at MOTAT Auckland where did it go?
If the 109 at the end was skilled 1 below max.....i would say max skill is not really ace. the last fight you would have been shot down a couple of times, if a skilled player pilot would have been flown that 109.
You are welcome to set up the same mission as you see fit. Everyone has access to the mission editor.
Superb Documentary for the DCS P-47. I just tried the dogfight before this video and I knew my mistakes- I was simply used to lightweight fighter designs. Thank You Kindly- Subb'ed
My next module in queue. Still waiting for an Anton to be fixed though.
Cries in Dora.
@@rustyshackleford2841 I feel ya
Brilliant to have you back!
Would you recommend twining against the AI now the have improved their logic? Would it work the way around too, for those who fly German?
Great live commentary Phil!
Would be nice if they gave the US fighters their historical performance. My understanding is that the P-47 is only running on 56"HG Wet WEP, which is ~500hp lower than what it was using months before any 109K4 was in the air.
That higher power setting was achieved with 150 octane fuel. The HEAF decided to not use the 150 octane fuel for overlord. So on the Normandy map, the 56" power setting is applicable.
The chaps running escorts further into Germany were using it.
More info here:
www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/150-grade-fuel.html
@@philstyle If you're talking about historical accuracy, the 109K4 didn't enter service until after the whole of France was liberated (Oct., 1944). It would not have been present for Operation Overlord over Normandy. Seeing a 109k4 fight a 56"HG over Normandy is largely ahistorical, especially considering that the initial 109K4s were using reduced engine settings compared to what I think the K4's in DCS are using. Basically, you have a possibly early-1945 fighter fighting in a mission that occurred at least half a year before its introduction. (I could be mistaken about the K4 engine settings in DCS, though).
I understand that certain P-47 squadrons were not using 150 octane fuel after its entry to service, but the 8th Air Force was, and P-47s regularly adopted secondary patrol missions after they had completed their escort duties. It's not unlikely that a 70"HG P-47 would intercept 109s over France / Normandy on his way back to Britain.
So if you're going to allow a fighter to time travel back in time to participate in a mission that occurred half a year before its entry to service, it only makes sense that fighters running engine settings of the time that were likely to be present for that mission should also be available.
@@BromanP47 good point about the k4.
I'd rather see the 109g6 in as an opponent as opposed to the slippery slope to 1945 all the time.
@@philstyle 70"HG P-47 and 75"HG P-51 were operational in high numbers in May / June of 1944. I don't think you can honestly categorize them as being a slippery slope to 1945. A 109K4 and a 190 Dora are much closer to 1945 (if not actually running with 1945 engine settings).
If you wanted a historical representation of Operation Overlord, you would have
US
56"HG P-47s loaded with ground ordnance,
70"HG P-47s with no ordnance flying fighter sweeps,
67"HG p-51s loaded with ground ordnance
75"HG P-51s with no ordnance flying fighter sweeps,
Versus 109Gs and Fw190Antons.
As it currently is, you have ahistorically gimped US fighters flying against ahistorically advanced fighters, which by my understanding leaves the US fighters completely outclassed. A 1.98ATA K4 is a difficult challenge for even the boosted US fighters. Against the gimped US fighters, the gap in performance is significant.
Are you locking boost to throttle at low altitude, I’m curious about how this is modeled in DCS.
Good presentation.
Now against a 190 :)
Hi in your opinion how would rate each warbird in DCS? I’m looking at getting another one in the sale
I current have the spit and p51
Which would you suggest to get and why
Thanks
Get the one you most liked when you were a kid.
Why? Cos, fun.
@@philstyle thanks, I stuck between the fw190A or B any suggestions
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very nice
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Best commentary.. very good..
Are you identifying the variants you're going up against?
I don't like how you re-recorded. I'm struggling to follow your train of thought when flying due to the fact that you're looking one way with track IR, but in the game you were looking a completely different way with vr
why don't you use the gyro gunsight
Because I don't like it.
Practice is good. But against the experienced 109, p47 and p51 will not do anything 1x1. Even a Spitfire can be twisted to 109.
Spitfire is the most deadly of them all in my opinion.
Not so at altitude, 20,000 ft + here the p47 can beat 109 though it is even. At low altitude I never engage a 109!
@@Owen-fn8ff 109 has the advantage of engine power at all altitudes, against all our birds. Only because of the wings, it is more difficult for him to stay at a height. I'm sorry ,I use a translator
@@Mamba_DCS Thank you for the extra information. Your English is fine, I understand. That means that if the P47 stays high, it has a good chance of winning.
@@Owen-fn8ff It all depends of course on the pilot )) Online p47 is easier to use - who saw it first has an advantage. Here we are talking about a 1x1 duel. 2-3 loops with 109 and 47 will already be in zeros.
How does the water injection work?
You turn it on, and it allows extra power due to added cooling.
iirc It's a two button activation on the throttle when mapped. One to depress the thumb switch, and another to flick it into place.
@@ziljanvega3879 I have it mapped to a single on/ off switch.
Thanks @phil style and @Ziljan Vega
Man, get on the trigger more!!