oh my god please harass me to put up CCs because I dropped the ball on my last video but this one NEEEEDS ccs edit: CCs up!!! i cant stand disappointing yall Notes: The most common question I'm seeing is why Ronova didn't reject Capitano's plan form the getgo. I think other commenters have said this a lot better but basically: Citlali says that it's not repayment for using Ronova's power, it's simply a rule or law - this happened, so that must happen. That's why I drew a comparison to 'cause and effect' (in my brain there's a huge deeper meaning to this I'll maybe trying to expand on later involving Heimarmene). The Lord of Night was content with the resultant deaths (originally Mavuika's sacrifice, but then Capitano's), and Ronova was only there as a witness. So imho the deal was more with LotN and not Ronova. But when Capitano stepped up, it would trigger a paradox. (tbf in previous quests they made it seem like it was very much a Mavuika or pyro archon-specific death, tho my understanding is that this also may have been in part an EN translation issue?). That's at leats how my brain is parsing this!
Do you have any thoughts on the 5.0 trailer being set in the future rather than the present? There seems to be several things that sort of indicate it takes place after the Archon Quest or maybe just crack?
@@Azodrac honestly that makes the most sense to me. the trailer made it feel like kinda of an inconvenience instead of, you know, like, a rite to protect your home from total destruction
Mavuika having a drink and reminisce to when she went from enemy of the Captain to his friend: "Such a good tim-" *snaps to realizing she almost committed genocide by destroying his heart *sips drink aggressively "Anyway let's change subject"
Wait.. so THAT'S why Capitano took a knee when she got punched by Mavuika. He had to make sure his heart holdin the souls of the dead, wasn't damaged. He wasnt thinking about the fight after all. His goal was above that.
Him and Ronova both nailed their roles. Capitano with the barely restrained hate seeping through and Ronova as the disinterested, lofty, haughty shade.
4:04 So to double clear up any confusion here. Some people ask "Why does Ronova choose Capitano" "If they just choose Mavuika, they would never have the paradox" Few things: - Renova doesnt choose Capitano, the Lord of the Night (LotN) does, Ronova just chose the [method of death] - Method of death chosen was [Sacrifice life to LotN] (this in turn inadvertently puts the ball in LotN's court), as only LotN can start the process - In general Ronova doesnt seem very interested in "specifically" having Mavuika be picked (as they wouldve had push back when "another person is arriving" happened) - Ronova seemly wants to just end the deal as soon as possible, as the deal could get them in trouble with Celestia - Ultimately, death needs to be paid, its a rule. But as long as the death paid is equal (which the value will be as stated by LotN). Ronova doesn't care. - The LotN also points out that they, as an angel, must always chose the option that helps the betterment of the people - Ronova begrudgingly agrees to this with the line "hm, cumbersome, but there is nothing to be done - such is the duty of an angel" (again Renova put the actual process in LotN's court) - By the time Ronova is given the choice of the Paradox, the Captain is locked in as LotN's choice - If Ronova would back out now, then the method of death would have to be changed. And if that was the case then Ronova would be going back on their word (because Ronova themselves agreed to the method, so they are locked in) - Ronova is locked into the method, LotN is locked into their choice for the method. And the value of Capitano is equal to Mauvika, so ultimately it is acceptable for Ronova tl;dr: - Ronova chooses the method of death, not the person. Method of death is [Sacrifice life to LotN]. LotN chooses Capitano, as this is better for humanity. Ronova doesn't care because, ultimately, the value of Capitano's death is equal to Mavuika. Great vid as always btw Rooze, its like the first time having French Toast after New Years
you like literally summarized this perfectly IMHO. Ronova doesnt 'choose' because it's a RULE. You like literally outline this better than I could ever summarize (I'm screencapping and saving and will credit your big brain if need be).
Renova is on the side of humanity, remember her conversation with Xabalance where she claims that IF asked she will claim he stole her power. This seems like a similar situation where she needs plausible deniablilty.
The only part where Ronova had to choose is during the paradox of the two rules. Suspiciously she chose to upheld the Curse of Immortality (CoI), which means it is a bigger deal to the Heavenly Principle (HP) than the Rule of Death (RoD). Perhaps the CoI punishment is an excuse to keep pure Khaenriahn souls to return to the leyline. As LotN said, it is paramount to the HP to keep the leyline stable to better counteract the abyss invasion. Whatever the 5 sinners did during the Cataclysm, it has made the Khaenriahn souls harmful to the leylines. Also as a side note, the rules Capitano was able to modify is only the Night Kingdom. Meaning that the Khaenriahn souls is limited only to the Night Kingdom, not to the rest of Teyvat's leylines. So the Teyvat leylines remains "stable", which makes sense of Ronova's choice.
I've seen from a reddit post that somehow clears up the confusion. In CN, it was emphasized that death should be of equal value to the user of ronova's power, meanwhile, in EN, it seems like this point was not brought up or incorrectly understood by the translators. Basically, it does not have to be Mavuika herself but an equivalent offer can make up for it. However, I'm not so sure if this is true. It's reddit after all, but I'm inclined to believe it since it cleared my confusion as well.
Fight an Archon, uphold sense of honor, say rise and shine to the Lord of the Night, fight the abyss for breakfest, point a middle finger at the sky and bring comrades to peace--- and all that without taking the mask of! Peak Khaenri'ahn performance. To be fair, my greatest fear for playable Capitano is expectation because there's so much you can do with a character as an NPC and so much you can do with a character made for the market. On the other hand, I think that with the memory thing in mind, i think he's a good contender for the second weekly boss spot. I really want him to kick my ass, might be my own preference though.
The Reconstruction is like throwing paint on an invisible object. You can't see it but if you throw enough paint(stories), you can somewhat make out the object.
Lord of the Night feels like a potentially dangerous character. She had a couple of lines during the AQ such as "I am the helper of humanity, and I must always place their demands first, no matter who the human may be" and "But as an Angel, I have a duty to serve humanity - such is my mandate" that make her sound very similar to another character we've previously met, Phobos. Phobos was the grand symphony of Remuria and tried to make everyone happy by granting all of their wishes. This, of course, did not work and led to the downfall of Remuria. Phobos was also created from Sybilla, who is implied to be a Seele just like the Lord of the Night. This feels like a huge red flag with the implication that the Lord of the Night is going to grant a wish that she really shouldn't, and Capitano's wish might just prove to be that. I get that his intentions are noble and good, but it's not hard to imagine how someone who is obsessed with saving people no matter what could end up doing more harm than good. Just consider Wanderer's voice line about Capitano "Don't you think that possessing absolute righteousness is actually a latent danger?" No one set of ideals is perfect, and becoming overly obsessed with enacting said ideals will always cause issues. Capitano's obsession may have served him well so far, but now his ideals have become reality in the form of the Ley Line's rules, and it seems inevitable then that those ideals will have to face their own imperfection.
I can't stop thinking about the possibility of the Shades being AI. The fact that the chess board we saw in Winter Night's Lazzo was a metaphorical battle between Fatui (humans) and Celestia and Archons (AI), representing the match between Deep Blue (AI) and Gary Kasparov (a Human)... it was a deliberate choice by the story writers, they could've picked any other famous chess tournament. There's also the fact that the only, ONLY game Genshin ever collabed with, Horizon Zero Dawn, had a major plot point (spoilers for that game if you haven't played it) where the world suffered catastrophy, the humanity lost and robots they created destroyed earth. Before it's total destruction they created underground bunkers stored with materials necessary for human cloning and they left AI in charge of it, to once again repopulate Earth after it's been made habitable again (done also by AI). The AI were named after Gods from Greek mythology (Gaia, Hades, etc.), each was tasked with different thing (Gaia was tasked with restoration of life to Earth, Hades (he acted as a extintion failsafe protocol, he was to destroy what Gaia created IF something went wrong, so she could start over). And with time these people began to worship AI thinking it's some higher level existance being, not knowing it's true nature, or rather being incapable of understanding it (except for few who explored forbidden ruins and learned the truth)
YES YES YES YES!!!! I You point out important points I didn't even CONSIDER, but like.... my sections about the contradictions and paraodox, with the green matrix text - I'm inclined to think HP is very much some sort of coding, or algorithm, or even AI.... The entire paradox seems like "breaking the code" to me. It just seems like contradictory terminal commands to me. I'm dumb when it comes to this tech stuff, but I LOVE this Horizon Zero Dawn analogy you brought in, because in my brain, it fits!!!
The way Neuvillette describes it, it really gives the impression that the Primordial One is a machine or something like that, since why say "Its functions were compromised" instead of something like "It weakened" or "lost power"?
I've been speculating for some time that the Heavenly Principles is a Genshin god-computer equivalent. I've seen some people theorise that it refers to principalities, part of the hierarchy of heavenly beings. But my first thought is the meaning of the word principle. It's a rule or a law, a fundamental truth or proposition that forms the foundation for a system. It's the principle by which something operates. In other words, the name suggests the Heavenly Principles is a world operating system. The game also suggests it too I think. Advanced technology is a huge theme of the game. We have a giant tree that acts like a computer network and forbidden knowledge that acts like a computer virus. The ruler is absent; whatever happened after the war with The Second Who Came, it seems the Primordial One is absent or dormant. So what, if anything, rules in their place? I think things generally point to a god-computer in Celestia, keeping things ticking over while the Primordial One slumbers to maintain a dream that sustains the world of Teyvat.
Thanks for explaining this btw. I was so confused as to what happened. And yes, this was the biggest middle finger capitano could've given ronova apart from findin a way to kill her.
ahh, forgot! Brainstorming with a friend, and we had some ideas when it comes to Capitano's heart. Capitano's title of Sentinel Knight implies he has some sort of similarity to Ruin Sentinels. And those guys make up the Perpetual Mechanical Array. The guy who might be Anfortas said Capitano's heart had limitless potential because of its function to capture knowledge. That hints that knowledge/memories is the greatest power source in Teyvat and that's what fuels the PMA. With it being a translation, I could be far off. But in the Ixlel quest, the dragon's heart was the summation of their memories and I don't think it's a coincidence that Capitano's works the same way. Azdaha's quest told us that rocks have memories. And in that weird Hanan Pacha book, a tall tale for sure, said that rocks were endless power that could exist when even the trees were gone. The original purpose might have been sort of tied with a message in Wanderer's interlude quest. Nahida sent Scaramouche to search through Irminsul because his familiarity with certain information allowed him to be like a Table of Contents. With Capitano's heart, not only would he be a form of preservation, he would also be able to direct those handling Irminsul to find the juiciest memories for power. I mean, who's going to be a better story? Kaeya or Six-finger Jose?
wait. its super late for me rn but wait. this is cooking. i will revisit this soon. this connects so many things. you are ON TO SOMETHING (brb eventually)
Wait wait wait... If Capitano is inside the ley lines right now (his consciousness) and his body is still alive and has the container (assuming he still has a connection to his body) then he basically can see all the information within the ley lines and Irminsul and IN THEORY he can make a BACKUP of all the information that it has. Basically he was modified to be a walking hard drive... And now I just remembered that scene where Dottore burns down Irminsul (the future). What if the Fatui make their own Irminsul using Capitano's backup after burning down the real one.
@@TehLadyBoom I'm pretty sure the Night kingdom is completely severed from the leylines. It was too damaged, making it vulnerable to abyss corruption so it was best to keep it quarantined, so it's a harddrive scenario too. Capitano of the Night would be restricted to Natlan and not all of Irminsul. However, I do think Capitano's goal was part of the Tsaritsa's plan, and his success was a test run for their future plans. ... Excerpt from Hanan Pacha: "If we want to make fire, we need only strike the flint. As for the fuel, there's firewood and vegetation everywhere. What use have we for phlogiston?" "O shortsighted people, do you not know there will come a day when all plants and firewood are consumed and are no more? And that the most plentiful, inexhaustible thing in the world is rocks? If you can use phlogiston to burn rocks, then you will have solved the problem of obtaining energy once and for all." ... The whole story of Hpacha is fake so trying to figure out the hidden message can be ???? I forgot about the Dottore dream, so maybe the plant is the leylines? And it's naturally inferior to rocks because it isn't part of the original environment of Teyvat.
Yeah the moment Ronova had to have a little dilemma about a Khaenri'anh dying, I was like, "then how tf did Clothar die??" I'm so glad you touched up on it a bit! I'm not alone!
And the funny part is that the actual sinners got away with it (albeit with immortality if they even care). You’d think killing such powerful threats would be the highest priority, but it seems like they are free to run around and cause trouble. 😅
oooh, I thought I would have to wait until next week for your thoughts. Tyyyyy for you hard work in paying tribute to this honorable basically perfect man!
I think Capitano could be playable by making some sort of manifestation of himself to help us since he is the master of the ley lines but not as Capitano but as Thrain thats the only way I can see him playable since they really emphasized that its an happy ending for him
@@roozeveltfox Yes sorry I didn't watch the video that far the idea spawned in my head and I had to comment it on a side note if capitano turns out to not be playable at all then why make him a playable model , usable weapon and element ?
@@sweatygoblin2335 That's the thing it won't be him it's a copy of himself from the memories in the ley lines think of it like Raiden's puppet while the real raiden is doing something we get to play as her puppet
@@darkshei1756 That.. would still cheapen his sacrifice, though. Capitano wanted to die for five hundred years, and I'm pretty sure he could've figured out a way to make it happen if he didn't care about the literal thousands of souls he'd doom to oblivion. He may not have been satisfied with his life, but he was definitely at peace with it - enough that I think he'd HATE the idea of himself continuing to live in some way. Just let the man die in peace, give him the respect he deserves.
I love how capitana was like a valkyrie, collecting the souls of the fallen warriors and waiting for the moment to sent them to the Valhalla 🖤 ( in this case the night kingdom)
I'm so happy you brought up the four pillars because my mind immediately went to the four people mentioned in Perinheri as well also, knowing that the Doctor is coming.... yeah if there's one person who is capable of bringing Capitano back it's the guy who loves fucking around with bodies, segments and all that kinda stuff. He definitely knows enough about Khaenri'ahn technology to be able to pull it off. But honestly there are so MANY possibilities and directions they could take this in. (Side note: the fact that something like Capitano's heart exists.... no wonder Dottore knows how to create segments of himself. I feel like they probably work similarly)
Well the summer event of simulanka has given us a lot of insight to whats coming in natlans story. Summer events normally give hints to the next AQ that releases. This simulanka event predicts that (like wanderor who ended up being the true hero of simulanka, el capitano is the true hero of natlan.) Further more, like durin being reborn from memory, so to will El Capitano. Some one on this comment section also talked about Capitanos heart. His heart is able to store souls but also memory. Now that hes the master of the night kingdom. He has access to a significant amount of memory and souls. Also his constellation also is of 3 nails. That is a reference to Christ dieing and being resurrected. Theres so much evidence supporting his return. I just hope he stays mostly the same. They can add some purple and white but mostly keep him the way he is.
Ya Know this whole business with Guthred’s Copy REALLY is some Cause for Reconsidering the Strange Phenomenon of the Record of the MC’s Sibling in Irminsul; Instead of it being The Actual Sibling’s Memories being in Irminsul it is A “Story” of the Sibling’s Memories as Remembered by the Inhabitants of Teyvat!
Thinking Tsaritsa letting Capitano upholding his seat and respecting his choice, was rather expected. Capitano is now one with the LotN and controls the Night Kingdom. While Dottore still wants to burn the tree (Project Studzha?). If the celestial tree burns, they will also need to replace the leylines with their own Loom of Fate (Gnosis?). The stability of the leylines dont have to be upheld anymore if that happens, so the Night Kingdom could be connected to the new leylines and granting Capitano therefore overall control of those. So while Capitano's wish was granted, it still feels like he did a more important job than just getting the gnosis, which another Harbringer(pls Columbina) can fulfill. Obviously assuming this is part of the plan. So in a sense Capitano is still the number 1 as he continues his work in the Night Kingdom/Future Leylines, unlike to say Signora who lost her seat.
Y'know, something just occurred to me. We know our sibling lived in Khaenri'ah before the fall. So they presumably knew about the Sinners that caused said fall. Especially since they traveled with Dain for hundreds of years. And then they stumbled upon THE Sinner and the "Abyss." But since Vedrfolnir talked to them via a giant crystal......I can't help but wonder if they know that Vedrfolnir is the one who brought them to the Abyss. And if they'd still lead the order if they knew???
Capitano having a mechanical heart was foreshadowed all along with his heart-shaped metal centerpiece. There's also the fact that Mavuika's suit leaves her heart exposed while his is covered up and Mavuika has been "emptying" her heart to sacrifice memories for the cause while Capitano went from attempting to rob the "heart of god" to giving up his 500-year old collection of souls. In summary they have both shinzou wo sasageyo and I'm going a little insane that they didn't talk more
Interesting that you make a distinction between Capitano's body and soul- it's the most solid theory for making him eventually playable that I've heard (alas, I am not optimistic). It depends on whether the curse is attached to the body or the soul, which has me thinking... Dain assumed Chlothar died because his body was buried but what if he just didn't want that body anymore? 👀 (I can't remember if Caribert ever actually talked about his dad being dead, I don't think he did!)
in the distinction I guess the curse is more attached to the soul than the body. as for Chlothar I am literally so lost because we found skellies that seem to be him and Caribert's mom and like.... nothing else?? i literally have nothing to go on?? aaaa
Reconstruction is interesting because: 1. Tenebrous Mimiflora shows that Abyssal entities can mimic the appearance, behaviour, and abilities of living and non-living things in Teyvat 2. With enough memories and willpower from the original, an Abyssal copy can appear as the genuine one like with the case of Quenin in Ochkanatlan. 3. Tlazolli being able to steal memories, store them to a memort bank, then use it to nearly brainwash someone. 4. Il Capitano has shown that a person cursed with immortality can master the ley lines, enough to change its rules. Seems like the Fatui has seen enough ingredients to be able to recreate their own Irminsul using Azosite to create an Irminsul mimic, Tsaritsa can offer the Gnoses as a power source for it, and overwrite the entire Teyvat ley line network. Thank you for coming to my crack theory talk 😂
14:31 i think traveler mentions right at the end of the quest that Capitano couldn't escape the rotting flesh thing the way Dain could because he doesn't sleep, so probably Pierro does the same thing Dain did, idk
3:05 Venti was able to "exorcize" Stanley soul, so maybe if he went to Mondstadt when Venti was "active", he could do that. Also this reveals a lot about Venti.
This Capitano's story is the brief history of Soviet (Khaenri'ah) and Russian (Snezhnaya) soldiers in Africa. Look up the statue of the Wagner founder and his right-hand man recently erected in Central Africa. They both died in a plane crash in 2023.
10:12 The 'Stories' are the necessary connection for Thrain and the Natlan Night Kingdom. This is why you dreamed of Thrain, but saw present day Capitano.
4:14 Dying to win" and "risking death to win" is different- Gojo Satoru. This reminded me of episode when Gojo Satoru told Megumi that while being self-sacrificing can be noble, he should not throw his life away. Instead, he should push himself to his limits and improve by persevering.
Khaenri’an tech to turn memories and souls into knowledge just sounds like a more advanced form of knowledge capsules from sumeru. And tbh I still think this is the underlying principle for how dragon sovereigns are created/“reincarnated”
Am I the only one massively underwhelmed by ronova's response to the whole shebang? She is a fricking shade, she could drop mavuika right there and then if she wanted to and could've probably prevented capitano from creating this paradox, instead she just took the the L, gave up on the rule of death and just left as if the wasn't just outsmarted by a human, where is your pride miss god of death
mmm i guess my thinking for a while.... is that HP created an algorithm and ronova is just one aspect of that. so it's not like she has freewill herself, she has to abide by the coding of the HP (/headcanon? /theory? /etc?)
Honestly it sound like she's just checked out. The Lord of the Night says she's wallowing in self pity, and it kinda makes sense - she's so done with everything, even herself, that she just can't find the will to care about anything. She just wanted to get her job over and done with and cared very little about who died, just that someone did. She didn't fight back against Capitano at all, just kinda said 'okay sure, I can't break the immortality rule because that's not mine but go off king'. I doubt she's some kind of AI; she seems like a very, very depressed person more than anything.
I think its interesting that she doesnt get indignant about the whole ordeal if you think about it getting angry that you were outsmarted is a very human response. Kind of like being embarassed that you were wrong about something theres logically no reason to be embarrassed or angry.
maybe i just like him a lot but i wish he had more screentime or action in the aq but other than that, they gave him a really cool and goated "ending" for him
@@M_K499 no honestly my biggest criticism of the quest is that he could have / should have had more screentime. like LITERALLY everyone from natlan appeared during the NK segment
@@roozeveltfox yeah and the trailer's thumbnail also has capitano, imagine if 3 of them fighting the abyss and it would feel fulfilling/satisfying when capitano did THAT at the end, hope we see him in future and his story doesnt end here but man i hope we had more action scenes of him in act4 and 5
I thought I was already inhaling lots of copium when I think Capitano isn't exactly dead and that he might still be playable in the future. Still, whether he will be or not, his story was just so badass you can't help but give the man a salute. His character was just so good. What tickles my brain though is the fact that a harbinger is now in control of a nation's ley lines. Especially with his position being left as is, even though he 'died'. I wonder if this happening had anything to do with whatever the Tsaritsa was planning, or this result may have helped whatever the Tsaritsa was cooking up by coincidence? *tightens tinfoil hat while inhaling copium*
something cool i found for funsies (please tell me i'm not the only one who's thought this) but if you invert the colors of the shade of red that ronova and the sustainer of heavenly principles uses, it becomes cyan, like a lot of other things related to celestia (like the nails). made me think what if all the shades followed this same color scheme, so their technically the primordial one's (cyan) shadows. edit: the more i think about it, the more crazy i sound
I don't think that sounds crazy at all. Genshin uses color very intentionally, and the red of Ronovoa and the Sustainer is really distinctive / unusual. It would be so cool if it's intentionally inverted from Celestia's blue!
I have visited Thrain every day since he's been on his throne and listen to the music. What he did was really heroic but can't help feeling sad about his people even more. I do wonder about our next Dain quest/Seeing if our sibling can use the Loom Of Fate... there's got to be some similarities between Thrain and our sibling using the Loom Of Fate to change the Ley Lines 😮
There’s something that doesn’t sit right with me: couldn’t Ronova just say no to Capitano’s offer of taking his life in the place of Mavuika’s? And thus sticking with the original plan of witnessing Mavuika’s death, that would save her a lot of the troublesome semantics of the paradoxes, and even if he did tried to sacrifice himself that would just have been and excuse for her to intervene since somebody tried to mess with the curse of immortality (which is highly implied to have been an order from above, and not something she came up with) and thus punishing him even more . I don’t get it why she seems to be so back up in a corner and has to accept their requests. To me it feels more like the writers need a way to keep Mavuika alive and to sacrifice Capitano in all his glory (which he definitely is deserving) without really thinking it through. Is there something that I’m missing?
I agree with you. Honestly... I dont know about playable, but Capitano was in EVERY SINGLE 5.X trailer.... all of them! Also! Every harbinger IS a weekly boss.... all of them! Except for the ones we havent met yet and the doctor who Mavuika told us we should see next in his stronghold which is in Nod Krai (maybe we wont see him but thats HIS region). ALSO! Irminsul STILL has to burn! Hoyo confirmed that waa a future event!... i REAAALLLYY dont think Natlan is "over" the way they say it is. I think they WANT us to think its over and made it LOOK like its over, something BIG is gonna happen!!! And NO ONE is expecting it! ❤ which is PHENOMENAL story telling on Hoyos part ❤ I really think youre right on the money with potential capitano and signora returns. I mean... in winters night lazzo they all gathered to mourn signora. You think theyre just gonna be like, oh the captain died? Huh thats unexpected... oh well. I THINK NOT! Thw Tsaritsa herself! And maybe pierro might just show up in Natlan to pay their respects! Or maybe the doctor will come steal his body and make it a puppet! Maybe columbina has some secret angel powers and can help capitanos soul. Maybe the tsaritsa has a crazy power to REVIVE the dead JUST LIKE QIQI!!! 😂😂 this is all speculation of course! Who knows? Only time will tell. BUT hoyo did say theyre doing a complete overhaul on gameplay. 8th element?!?! Skirk got teased!!! Maybe skirk can help capitano and signora regain "life" to help the tsaritsa with her goal. Remember. THIS IS THE LAST GNOSIS!!!! every other archons gnosis the Tsaritsa has!!! And theyre all chest pieces! So... i dont know WHAT theyre cooking but I agree I dont think its really over but they want us to THINK it is so it comes as a big surprise to everyone and im ALL for it ❤❤❤ Thanks for the video ❤ and excited to see what comes next! I really hope they bring back my Captain ❤ as he's my favorite character. But i saw a comic of capitanos throne COVERED with primogems and intertwined fates that made me laugh harder than i have in a long time ❤😂 and im grateful for that! ❤
Great video! It seems like we had a lot of the same questions after this quest. I immediately thought of Chlothar and how in the world he got rid of the curse. My guess is ultimately sort of simple: only the Abyss is powerful enough to challenge the Heavenly Principles. Specifically, Abyssal energy has the power to unmake, corrupt, and deconstruct things--so perhaps it is also the only thing that can unravel the "rules" governing Teyvat. If this is the case, then that would explain the entire motivation of the Abyss Order. They are working with the Abyss not because they love scary cosmic horrors, but because the Abyss is the ONLY thing powerful enough to undo their curse. I feel like if I were condemned to eternal suffering and also had to watch my child be turned into a mindless monster, I might also choose such a thing. It would explain the scene with the Sinner as well: Chlothar learns that Abyssal power (probably under the direction of one of the Sages and/or the Abyss Twin) can be used to alleviate the curse, and uses it on Caribert. This is what restores Caribert's mind and sparks the creation of the Abyss Order. No idea if any of that is correct, but it makes a lot of sense to me. As for Capitano's fate, I think there's an interesting possibility that Thrain is essentially an ancient name now. We learn Guthred only exists in the Night Kingdom because of the legends told about him, suggesting he functions like an Ancient Name (as what we see is a legacy embodied, not his actual soul). Thrain of course is also the subject of legends, far more so than Guthred by the end of the Archon Quest. This might be why the AQ ended in an unusual way, on the scene of children hearing the epic tale of Natlan. We gain an Ancient Name via our epic deeds and the power of the Lord of the Night... so I feel that Capitano is entirely eligible as well. Idk if this will play a role in his possible rebirth/ re-creation, but it's just an interesting thought. This video also made me think more about our role as a descender and how perhaps the importance of being outside Irminsul is that only someone who is not recorded in the world is able to rewrite fate (much like you wouldn't be able to weave if you were in the middle of a loom, or the way you can't interact with your past or future self in time travel scenarios). That's not super related but I'm glad your video gave me so many ideas!
I think the way they 'closed' Capitano's story is perfect. It's conclusive but still open-ended. The thing is that Capitano's *lifeforce* is now tied to the Lord of the Night, eternally sustaining it. I'm not entirely sure how it's worded in lore and everything, but what if Dottore can somehow find a way with the special Nod-Krai powers to seperate Capitano's soul/sense of self from his lifeforce and his body, and put it into a *new segment?* Thereby making him playable?
Shade of Life: I need some sucker to sustain the angels on Natlan's Leylines Ronova: I just cursed a bunch of pure blood Khanrians with immortality HP: Here's a perfect plan...
I really do wish Capitano was the one who used Ronova’s power in the first place though. One, that would’ve given him more agency in the story, which was something he desperately needed; and two, the fact the user of Ronova’s power can pass-off the required death onto another person really cheapens the impact of using said power, and kinda feels like a cop-out since they were talking about how Mavuika would have to pay for using such a power. Capitano’s statement to the the Gods of Teyvat would hold a lot more meaning and have a lot more impact if he were the one who directly caused to circumstances leading to the paradox.
Omg finally someone that recognized that capitano did infact uphold the paradox like i seriously dont understand how it got so popular that he somehow didnt trigger the paradox??? At some point I started questioning my reading abilities lol
Finally someone who explains it in words I can actually understand. (English isn't my first language.) The others who explained it, still kinda made it really hard lol. You did an outstanding job! Thank you, you also have a really soothing voice. :) I subscribed and can't wait to hear what you have to say next time!
I'm confused about when in the timeline the curse happened, because it seems like capitano's squad died towards the end of the cataclysm, after their country had already been abandoned and beyond saving. But there's accounts in the desert of people being cursed in the middle of it. Shouldn't they already be unable to die?
I wonder if all Shades have to demand a "price" or a "rule" in order for their power to be used and if so what price would Makoto have had to pay to use Istaroth's power? + I think Ronova was forced to curse Khaenri'ah since she is already the second case we have of a Shade helping an Archon behind the scenes and I don't see what reason she would have to help Natlan if she didn't genuinely care about humanity.
Many monarchs have come and gone. One drowned in poison, another succumbed to flame. Still another slumbers in a realm of ice. Not one of them stood here, as you do now. You, conqueror of adversities. Give us your answer.
in terms of such good preservation for other people cursed with immortality, we have an explanation , the Captaino has not slept for 5 hundred years because of thousands of souls constantly suffering in his heart, I feel like a living corpse after two days without sleep, now imagine what 500 years of this will do to a person
GOOD VIDEO, I'm sure we all love CAPITANO even though we couldn't see his face, he's sure to be just as attractive as the other characters from Khaenri'ah, all that stuff about CAPITANO's modified heart reminds me of the HEART of NABERIUS that Albedo and Rhinedottir found, maybe it has the same capacity but on a larger scale.
inb4 clothar didn't actually die and it was just some insane misdirection by hoyo because 500 years is a very long time after all so it was just two random sumerians buried there
I feel like the Hoyoverse Devs would not have approved this storyline if it meant Capitano could never be playable. He's just too popular of a character already. Also, imagine the hype if/when he does return! I can't imagine them not doing that. It would be even cooler if him controlling the Natlan Ley Lines was somewhow secretly a key part of the Tsaritsa'a plan...
what I didn't mention in my "hoyo can just do this!" section is that if it IS purely a monetary thing.. like... Capi and Signora would uhhh definitely revenue, and like WAY more than the random end-patch characters they throw out? (No hate to Emilie or Kaveh or Sethos because I LOVE them but im just saying)
Could be playable on the rule of Capitano could remotely control his body. Besides, hoyo allows for dead lorewise characters to be playable in HSR and HI3, it's just a matter of time till it happens in genshin.
Oh SPEAKING OF ‘sentinel knight’ there’s something that I find very interesting In Chinese, this title was written as ‘天柱騎士’, literally meaning ‘sky pillar knight’. Sky pillar, hm… this may be a stretch, but it kinda sounds like ‘celestial nail’… does Capitano’s heart have similar properties/functions with the nails in any way?
though I'm not super satisfied with the possible explanations for why Ronova doesn't just command Mavuika's death to avoid the whole paradox, I am happy with a situation where our immortal captain MIGHT actually become playable one day 🙏 also I'm so happy you made the connection between Azosite and Capitano's heart like the ley lines being harnessed by Khaenriah seems even more important now
Capitano giving Ronova the finger did things to me that I was not expecting. Khaenri'an's are just built different. Sidenote: I love your editing so much it makes the videos so fun
You, who bear the curse. Once the fire is linked, souls will flourish anew. It is your choice..to embrace, or renounce this... Great Sovereign, take your throne. What lies ahead, only you can see.
I still don't really get why it's a paradox. Capitano doesn't actually truly die, that's the key point of why Capitano can give the Lord of the Night eternal power - because he *cannot die*... So to me it seems like it's a very neat trick that massively helped Natlan, but I don't get why Ronova accepts it as counting as a death that meets the requirements. That's the real paradox, that Ronova apparently agrees that it counts as the death she wanted but at the same time believes that Capitano cannot die. She could have easily just gone "Damn, that was cool that he did that, but I still need my death"
@@Rem560 But she does make a judgement about whether or not it meets the requirements, she first says "I shall accept Mavuika's sacrifice for the Lord of the Night as her death". The rule is that it must be the death of Mavuika or an equal individual. Capitano *cannot die*. So clearly his merge with LotN shouldn't meet the requirements of a death, since he doesn't die.
From what I understand after thinking Abt it for some time, ronova maybe can just say she doesn't want capitano's death but lotn is the one that will enact the death... and she chose capitano cuz it will be more beneficial for humanity in the long run. Ronova maybe can just say fuck it either pyro archon die or other natlan people will die to compensate for the rule tht she established. Hence this is where capitano and lotn deals come from. They already agreed to merge with each other beforehand. However, the merge will constitute death as per ronova's rule hence will trigger paradox between rule of death and immortality. So even though ronova can just be stubborn and refuse capitano's and lotn decision, if they merge first a paradox will be triggered and ronova might have to bear the consequences from hv (heavenly principles). Do remember that this deal of death is only btwn ronova, pyro archon and lotn and have nothing to do with hv if I remember correctly. So to prevent paradox tht will be triggered by capitano's merging with lotn between death (as it constitutes death per ronova's rule of the merging) and immortality curse (punishment from hv to khaenriah's people) ronova needs to abandon one of her rule and she decided to abandon the latter as the first rule is directly connected to hv. That's why even after capitano merge with lotn he isn't exactly dead (his immortal body and life force became a fuel to lotn for eternity while his soul merges with the leylines) In conclusion, if ronove refuses capitano's offer and insists on either pyro archon's life or natlan people > they will merge anyway > trigger paradox > ronova deal with consequence from hv If ronova agrees > she have to lift the death rule to not trigger paradox > no need for anybody's sacrifice > capitano's merge with lotn don't constitutes death > his immortal body become eternal fuel to lotn > natural order is preserved so it won't alert hv
@@re_runn That makes sense! I got the impression that the paradox actually was triggered, but I think it makes sense that Ronova decided to bend the death rule a bit in order to protect the immortality curse and prevent a paradox
Adding to the arguments the Capitano may return, it certainly seems that the boss fights against the harbingers are going in the counter clockwise order we see in the one piece of background art, especially if Columbina is the next weekly boss of 5.x. If the 3 nails are indeed Capitano, it implies he’ll return in some form during the 6.x AQ. If I were to guess, since it seems Dottore will be the main antagonist during 6.x based on Mavuika’s dialogue, I wouldn’t be surprised if he attempts to resurrect the Captain using his now vacated body and a copy of his mind from the Ley Lines. He’d certainly attempt it just to see what would happen, consequences be damned.
For the Capitano being playable we could have, like you said, the memories of the hero Thrain, like Gutherd it should exist somewhere in the Night Kingdom, inhabit his body and we basically would have a copy of Capitano since contrary to Gutherd he really was a righteous man like the stories say he was, or we could have the the Lord of the Night take control of his body like a puppet in case the Night Kingdom is threatened by the Abyss again like what is likely to happen when the Tsaritsa attacks Celestia in a final war, with the primordial one even more weakened or gone maybe the celestial nails would lose their power too and amidst the chaos would be the perfect time for the abyss to strike all of Teyvat.
Pour one out for all the Capitano wanters out there. Also for all the people who hoped he wouldn't be white. I would like to see someone do a video about all of death in teyvat. The souls from enkonomiya, the ones from tsurumi island and their mentions of the silver ship. The night kingdom. It kind of feels like there are a lot of different afterlives going on in teyvat. And I don't hear anyone talking about the tsurumi epilogue lore in connection to this topic either. tbh I don't like Ronova but also I do? Like; she's not what I was expecting but also showing at least one of the 4 shades as being so completely inhuman and alien; right down to their appearance I think is a good thing. y'know? These aren't the archons. These aren't your friends. They do not care.
I think that Ronova probably didn't mind because she seems to have been severely depressed for centuries, possibly because she, the being who introduced the Rule of Death (which is generally portrayed as a kind and peaceful respite before being reincarnated), kept having to grant painful immortality to multiple societies that seem to have been massively trained by Abyssal Corruption that could poison Irminsul if their souls are allowed into a Leyline Nerwork that wasn't cut off.
At the end of the natlan archon quest, its mentioned that our next stop, Nod Krai uses a power that is known as the predecessor to elemental power. When you mentioned Khaenriah's old power source at 13:50 , it made me wonder whether that is the power source that the nod krai uses. Definitely has me thinking this area could be connected to khaenriah in some way, or is following in a similar manner...
from a lore perspective i can totally agree with this. mavuika gave us the tiniest crumbs about nod-krai but like fkin SKIRK gave us DESCENDER LORE??? ye
Still don't understand why Renova decided to humour Capitano. Couldn't she just ignore him and make the Lord of the Night kill Mavuika and skedaddle since she said she doesn't care about Natlan anymore?
I just have something I need to say. This may be stupid, it is really just a thought I had, which is rare to begin with. But have fun with it: They way Capitanos modified heart works (converting memories and souls from the Ley Lines) immediately reminded me of the the most recent Abyss monsters (Tenebrous Mimiflora, Papilla). Because their descriptions say that the Abyss can extract memories from the Ley Lines and then distort them or do whatever with them. (That's how they can mimic life forms of Teyvat.) Again, just a single thought, no further elaborations or anything. I mean the only parallel here really is that they both take memories out of the Ley Lines and learn from them/ use them. Actually, this makes me think that maybe the 5 Sinners figured that power out, and created new technology from it, like Capitanos heart.
Essentially what it boils down to is that the situation is a lot like how Will Turner and Davy Jones are bound to the Flying Dutchman in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. (We shall see if he's able to move from that spot for a single day). With how this situation played out. The Curse stands above all. Not alive, not dead. He's cursed.
Hello 👋 I was waiting for this video because mostly I've just been seeing people hating on everything and never being happy with the writing etc. So I was looking forward to your focus on the lore side of things because wow we got a lot in this part of the AQ. I don't have much to add other than, to me, Ronova seemed like she couldn't get out of there fast enough? Like she was fearful of being there when the rules were bent/broken by Thrain's choice? Which makes me need more information about the Gods so bad 😅 Honestly I really enjoyed the writing and have been crying over what a good man Thrain was, and that he's resting easy now. One of the coolest characters we've been gifted with so far, I can't wait to see if there's more to this. (Maybe when we get the final blazing flint ore and offer it...?) Thank you for a great wrap up video of what happened, I'm looking forward to what else you come up with 😊
“The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!"
I have something unrelated to this, what if after our ancient name being forged we now belong to this world bcoz our memories are now being stored in leylines, and what if same thing had happened to our sibling when they completed their journey and became the part of this world. Correct me if i m wrong...
For a long time I have this idea that the Khaenri'ah arc (at least parts of it) will happen in the past, by we going to the past or playing as the other sibling, there Capitano and Signora past versions will become playable characters. Going to the past while the characters were alive to have them as playable characters is a good way to not bring dead people back but still making them available.
Capitano's heart eerily reminds me of an old event when we fought a unique Ruin Grader near the Golden Wolflord's arena, it had an annoying ability to siphon health (memories/souls?) directly from the leylines. Not to mention one of the voice lines of Ruin Guards sounds like its saying 'let me out'. Can't be an Eva reference right?
What do you think about Capitano/ Thrain being a possible Alberich? He shares some pretty significant design elements with Kaeya ( Furcoat, cape) and is one of three people from Khaenri‘ah that has dark hair ( the other two were Alberichs). It‘s in interesting theory in my opinion that has popped up in some spaces.
The Alberichs seem to be an extensive line in nobility (and also, not nobility, too). Maybe not direct to Kaeya, but tangentially, perhaps? But definitely a possibility/likelihood
I'm slightly confused how Capitano presented Ronova with a paradox. Couldn't Ronova just not accept his deal and take Mavuika's life anyways? That would mean that Capitano would have to continue being alive and immortal.
my take is that it’s not really a deal. citlali tells us it’s not repayment. as a law the death just has to happen - that’s why ronova was only there as a witness
current thoughts: It's not a deal, it's a rule. The rule is as follows: whoever holds the position of Pyro Archon is allowed to use the Shade's power -- but in exchange, they must offer their life, OR other life of the same value (idr where this was mentioned, i believe in the same text that explains how Xbalanque made the rules of Natlan? It was said other lives could be offered instead, but thousands would have to die to replace him) Since Ronova confirmed that Capitano was a suitable replacement for Mavuika -- they are on the same level. The exchange follows the rule, so Ronova can't do anything about it UNLESS she breaks the rule of death. So she'd have had to break the rule anyway, but in the scenario we got it was a more positive outcome for humanity, which Ronova seems to be somewhat sympathetic towards despite her apathetic behavior, or she wouldn't have crafted this rule for Xbalanque in the first place.
Not sure why you would hate Ronova tbh. Sure she cursed Capitano's people but that was basically her doing her job and doing as ordered while when NOT ordered she struck a deal to *help* Natlan that would have gotten her into trouble had she not lied about it. If anything I would say she's been quite a fair and reasonable authority figure so far.
i wonder if the archons also have a certain type of the curse of immortality? they don’t physically erode the way the khaenri’ans do but we do learn in zhongli’s quest that they do still mentally erode due to their long lifespans. and then skirk also referred to the gnoses as objects of misfortune…just a thought
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oh my god please harass me to put up CCs because I dropped the ball on my last video but this one NEEEEDS ccs
edit: CCs up!!! i cant stand disappointing yall
Notes:
The most common question I'm seeing is why Ronova didn't reject Capitano's plan form the getgo. I think other commenters have said this a lot better but basically: Citlali says that it's not repayment for using Ronova's power, it's simply a rule or law - this happened, so that must happen. That's why I drew a comparison to 'cause and effect' (in my brain there's a huge deeper meaning to this I'll maybe trying to expand on later involving Heimarmene). The Lord of Night was content with the resultant deaths (originally Mavuika's sacrifice, but then Capitano's), and Ronova was only there as a witness. So imho the deal was more with LotN and not Ronova. But when Capitano stepped up, it would trigger a paradox.
(tbf in previous quests they made it seem like it was very much a Mavuika or pyro archon-specific death, tho my understanding is that this also may have been in part an EN translation issue?).
That's at leats how my brain is parsing this!
Do you have any thoughts on the 5.0 trailer being set in the future rather than the present? There seems to be several things that sort of indicate it takes place after the Archon Quest or maybe just crack?
@@Azodrac honestly that makes the most sense to me. the trailer made it feel like kinda of an inconvenience instead of, you know, like, a rite to protect your home from total destruction
@@Azodraccould just un canon to the actual story like Fontaine teaser show clorinde shoot someone? It's nowhere to happen
@@ashrafhakim379 She shoots in act II, Navia vs Gardemeks scene
@@agatak4088 that's not remotely close tho? The teaser shows us Clorinde shoots it at neuvillette/navia that just showcase clorinde role
Mavuika when she remembers that she almost punched a hole to Capitano's heart during the Stadium fight:
"Well this is awkward"
The fastest way to reach a man's heart and it worked
Mavuika having a drink and reminisce to when she went from enemy of the Captain to his friend:
"Such a good tim-"
*snaps to realizing she almost committed genocide by destroying his heart
*sips drink aggressively
"Anyway let's change subject"
Wait.. so THAT'S why Capitano took a knee when she got punched by Mavuika. He had to make sure his heart holdin the souls of the dead, wasn't damaged. He wasnt thinking about the fight after all. His goal was above that.
I loved his NA voice actor and the utter contempt he spat at the shade of death, I need to listen to that forever
honestly it was the best read ever
EN was definitely the best depiction
i already loved the english voice actor because he was gundham in danganronpa but his performance here was just as incredible
Him and Ronova both nailed their roles. Capitano with the barely restrained hate seeping through and Ronova as the disinterested, lofty, haughty shade.
4:04 So to double clear up any confusion here. Some people ask "Why does Ronova choose Capitano" "If they just choose Mavuika, they would never have the paradox"
Few things:
- Renova doesnt choose Capitano, the Lord of the Night (LotN) does, Ronova just chose the [method of death]
- Method of death chosen was [Sacrifice life to LotN] (this in turn inadvertently puts the ball in LotN's court), as only LotN can start the process
- In general Ronova doesnt seem very interested in "specifically" having Mavuika be picked (as they wouldve had push back when "another person is arriving" happened)
- Ronova seemly wants to just end the deal as soon as possible, as the deal could get them in trouble with Celestia
- Ultimately, death needs to be paid, its a rule. But as long as the death paid is equal (which the value will be as stated by LotN). Ronova doesn't care.
- The LotN also points out that they, as an angel, must always chose the option that helps the betterment of the people
- Ronova begrudgingly agrees to this with the line "hm, cumbersome, but there is nothing to be done - such is the duty of an angel" (again Renova put the actual process in LotN's court)
- By the time Ronova is given the choice of the Paradox, the Captain is locked in as LotN's choice
- If Ronova would back out now, then the method of death would have to be changed. And if that was the case then Ronova would be going back on their word (because Ronova themselves agreed to the method, so they are locked in)
- Ronova is locked into the method, LotN is locked into their choice for the method. And the value of Capitano is equal to Mauvika, so ultimately it is acceptable for Ronova
tl;dr:
- Ronova chooses the method of death, not the person. Method of death is [Sacrifice life to LotN]. LotN chooses Capitano, as this is better for humanity. Ronova doesn't care because, ultimately, the value of Capitano's death is equal to Mavuika.
Great vid as always btw Rooze, its like the first time having French Toast after New Years
you like literally summarized this perfectly IMHO. Ronova doesnt 'choose' because it's a RULE. You like literally outline this better than I could ever summarize (I'm screencapping and saving and will credit your big brain if need be).
Renova is on the side of humanity, remember her conversation with Xabalance where she claims that IF asked she will claim he stole her power.
This seems like a similar situation where she needs plausible deniablilty.
The only part where Ronova had to choose is during the paradox of the two rules. Suspiciously she chose to upheld the Curse of Immortality (CoI), which means it is a bigger deal to the Heavenly Principle (HP) than the Rule of Death (RoD). Perhaps the CoI punishment is an excuse to keep pure Khaenriahn souls to return to the leyline. As LotN said, it is paramount to the HP to keep the leyline stable to better counteract the abyss invasion. Whatever the 5 sinners did during the Cataclysm, it has made the Khaenriahn souls harmful to the leylines. Also as a side note, the rules Capitano was able to modify is only the Night Kingdom. Meaning that the Khaenriahn souls is limited only to the Night Kingdom, not to the rest of Teyvat's leylines. So the Teyvat leylines remains "stable", which makes sense of Ronova's choice.
I've seen from a reddit post that somehow clears up the confusion. In CN, it was emphasized that death should be of equal value to the user of ronova's power, meanwhile, in EN, it seems like this point was not brought up or incorrectly understood by the translators. Basically, it does not have to be Mavuika herself but an equivalent offer can make up for it.
However, I'm not so sure if this is true. It's reddit after all, but I'm inclined to believe it since it cleared my confusion as well.
@clinton_13 The Lord of the Night at least mentions equal value, so it's kinda there
Fight an Archon, uphold sense of honor, say rise and shine to the Lord of the Night, fight the abyss for breakfest, point a middle finger at the sky and bring comrades to peace--- and all that without taking the mask of! Peak Khaenri'ahn performance. To be fair, my greatest fear for playable Capitano is expectation because there's so much you can do with a character as an NPC and so much you can do with a character made for the market. On the other hand, I think that with the memory thing in mind, i think he's a good contender for the second weekly boss spot. I really want him to kick my ass, might be my own preference though.
He DID take his mask off tho
Glad I'm not the only one who finished this quest and immediately went "WELL WHAT THE FUCK DID CHLOTAR DO THEN"
The Reconstruction is like throwing paint on an invisible object. You can't see it but if you throw enough paint(stories), you can somewhat make out the object.
im stunlocked on this comment given the uhh color and paint stuff around the Masters of the Night Wind.. but HMMMMM!!!!!
Isn't this similar to wanderer's situation?
Nahida threw enough paint (created a story) to help restore wanderer.
you earned that self glaze, you were the first person I thought of when I did the 5.3 archon quest
Lord of the Night feels like a potentially dangerous character. She had a couple of lines during the AQ such as "I am the helper of humanity, and I must always place their demands first, no matter who the human may be" and "But as an Angel, I have a duty to serve humanity - such is my mandate" that make her sound very similar to another character we've previously met, Phobos.
Phobos was the grand symphony of Remuria and tried to make everyone happy by granting all of their wishes. This, of course, did not work and led to the downfall of Remuria. Phobos was also created from Sybilla, who is implied to be a Seele just like the Lord of the Night.
This feels like a huge red flag with the implication that the Lord of the Night is going to grant a wish that she really shouldn't, and Capitano's wish might just prove to be that. I get that his intentions are noble and good, but it's not hard to imagine how someone who is obsessed with saving people no matter what could end up doing more harm than good.
Just consider Wanderer's voice line about Capitano
"Don't you think that possessing absolute righteousness is actually a latent danger?"
No one set of ideals is perfect, and becoming overly obsessed with enacting said ideals will always cause issues. Capitano's obsession may have served him well so far, but now his ideals have become reality in the form of the Ley Line's rules, and it seems inevitable then that those ideals will have to face their own imperfection.
holy cooked
This might be the setup for the next fatui harbinger to come in take the gnosis like Columbina for eg.
I can't stop thinking about the possibility of the Shades being AI. The fact that the chess board we saw in Winter Night's Lazzo was a metaphorical battle between Fatui (humans) and Celestia and Archons (AI), representing the match between Deep Blue (AI) and Gary Kasparov (a Human)... it was a deliberate choice by the story writers, they could've picked any other famous chess tournament.
There's also the fact that the only, ONLY game Genshin ever collabed with, Horizon Zero Dawn, had a major plot point (spoilers for that game if you haven't played it) where the world suffered catastrophy, the humanity lost and robots they created destroyed earth. Before it's total destruction they created underground bunkers stored with materials necessary for human cloning and they left AI in charge of it, to once again repopulate Earth after it's been made habitable again (done also by AI).
The AI were named after Gods from Greek mythology (Gaia, Hades, etc.), each was tasked with different thing (Gaia was tasked with restoration of life to Earth, Hades (he acted as a extintion failsafe protocol, he was to destroy what Gaia created IF something went wrong, so she could start over). And with time these people began to worship AI thinking it's some higher level existance being, not knowing it's true nature, or rather being incapable of understanding it (except for few who explored forbidden ruins and learned the truth)
YES YES YES YES!!!! I You point out important points I didn't even CONSIDER, but like.... my sections about the contradictions and paraodox, with the green matrix text - I'm inclined to think HP is very much some sort of coding, or algorithm, or even AI.... The entire paradox seems like "breaking the code" to me. It just seems like contradictory terminal commands to me. I'm dumb when it comes to this tech stuff, but I LOVE this Horizon Zero Dawn analogy you brought in, because in my brain, it fits!!!
The way Neuvillette describes it, it really gives the impression that the Primordial One is a machine or something like that, since why say "Its functions were compromised" instead of something like "It weakened" or "lost power"?
@@Truck-kun11 good point
Now I am thinking about the robots from Loki show pretending to be Time-Keepers.
I've been speculating for some time that the Heavenly Principles is a Genshin god-computer equivalent. I've seen some people theorise that it refers to principalities, part of the hierarchy of heavenly beings. But my first thought is the meaning of the word principle. It's a rule or a law, a fundamental truth or proposition that forms the foundation for a system. It's the principle by which something operates. In other words, the name suggests the Heavenly Principles is a world operating system. The game also suggests it too I think. Advanced technology is a huge theme of the game. We have a giant tree that acts like a computer network and forbidden knowledge that acts like a computer virus. The ruler is absent; whatever happened after the war with The Second Who Came, it seems the Primordial One is absent or dormant. So what, if anything, rules in their place? I think things generally point to a god-computer in Celestia, keeping things ticking over while the Primordial One slumbers to maintain a dream that sustains the world of Teyvat.
I will always hold out hope Capitano becomes playable….always.
perhaps when the threads of fate are their Traveler's to re-weave
Thanks for explaining this btw.
I was so confused as to what happened.
And yes, this was the biggest middle finger capitano could've given ronova apart from findin a way to kill her.
Capitano giving Ronova the middle finger than claimed himself a throne. Such a king.
That's why he's the captain
ahh, forgot! Brainstorming with a friend, and we had some ideas when it comes to Capitano's heart. Capitano's title of Sentinel Knight implies he has some sort of similarity to Ruin Sentinels. And those guys make up the Perpetual Mechanical Array. The guy who might be Anfortas said Capitano's heart had limitless potential because of its function to capture knowledge. That hints that knowledge/memories is the greatest power source in Teyvat and that's what fuels the PMA.
With it being a translation, I could be far off. But in the Ixlel quest, the dragon's heart was the summation of their memories and I don't think it's a coincidence that Capitano's works the same way. Azdaha's quest told us that rocks have memories. And in that weird Hanan Pacha book, a tall tale for sure, said that rocks were endless power that could exist when even the trees were gone.
The original purpose might have been sort of tied with a message in Wanderer's interlude quest. Nahida sent Scaramouche to search through Irminsul because his familiarity with certain information allowed him to be like a Table of Contents. With Capitano's heart, not only would he be a form of preservation, he would also be able to direct those handling Irminsul to find the juiciest memories for power. I mean, who's going to be a better story? Kaeya or Six-finger Jose?
wait. its super late for me rn but wait. this is cooking. i will revisit this soon. this connects so many things. you are ON TO SOMETHING (brb eventually)
Wait wait wait... If Capitano is inside the ley lines right now (his consciousness) and his body is still alive and has the container (assuming he still has a connection to his body) then he basically can see all the information within the ley lines and Irminsul and IN THEORY he can make a BACKUP of all the information that it has. Basically he was modified to be a walking hard drive... And now I just remembered that scene where Dottore burns down Irminsul (the future). What if the Fatui make their own Irminsul using Capitano's backup after burning down the real one.
@@TehLadyBoom I'm pretty sure the Night kingdom is completely severed from the leylines. It was too damaged, making it vulnerable to abyss corruption so it was best to keep it quarantined, so it's a harddrive scenario too. Capitano of the Night would be restricted to Natlan and not all of Irminsul. However, I do think Capitano's goal was part of the Tsaritsa's plan, and his success was a test run for their future plans.
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Excerpt from Hanan Pacha:
"If we want to make fire, we need only strike the flint. As for the fuel, there's firewood and vegetation everywhere. What use have we for phlogiston?"
"O shortsighted people, do you not know there will come a day when all plants and firewood are consumed and are no more? And that the most plentiful, inexhaustible thing in the world is rocks? If you can use phlogiston to burn rocks, then you will have solved the problem of obtaining energy once and for all."
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The whole story of Hpacha is fake so trying to figure out the hidden message can be ???? I forgot about the Dottore dream, so maybe the plant is the leylines? And it's naturally inferior to rocks because it isn't part of the original environment of Teyvat.
Yeah the moment Ronova had to have a little dilemma about a Khaenri'anh dying, I was like, "then how tf did Clothar die??" I'm so glad you touched up on it a bit! I'm not alone!
the heavenly principles really pulled the “punish the whole class for a few kids being rowdy” on an entire nation
And the funny part is that the actual sinners got away with it (albeit with immortality if they even care). You’d think killing such powerful threats would be the highest priority, but it seems like they are free to run around and cause trouble. 😅
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oooh, I thought I would have to wait until next week for your thoughts. Tyyyyy for you hard work in paying tribute to this honorable basically perfect man!
I think Capitano could be playable by making some sort of manifestation of himself to help us since he is the master of the ley lines but not as Capitano but as Thrain thats the only way I can see him playable since they really emphasized that its an happy ending for him
ok yeah i think that's along the lines of what i was suggesting. a 'memory-built-copy'
@@roozeveltfox Yes sorry I didn't watch the video that far the idea spawned in my head and I had to comment it on a side note if capitano turns out to not be playable at all then why make him a playable model , usable weapon and element ?
I think that'd be a bad idea. It'd cheapen his sacrifice. Let the man rest, it's what he's wanted for a long, long time.
@@sweatygoblin2335 That's the thing it won't be him it's a copy of himself from the memories in the ley lines think of it like Raiden's puppet while the real raiden is doing something we get to play as her puppet
@@darkshei1756 That.. would still cheapen his sacrifice, though. Capitano wanted to die for five hundred years, and I'm pretty sure he could've figured out a way to make it happen if he didn't care about the literal thousands of souls he'd doom to oblivion. He may not have been satisfied with his life, but he was definitely at peace with it - enough that I think he'd HATE the idea of himself continuing to live in some way.
Just let the man die in peace, give him the respect he deserves.
I love how capitana was like a valkyrie, collecting the souls of the fallen warriors and waiting for the moment to sent them to the Valhalla 🖤 ( in this case the night kingdom)
I'm so happy you brought up the four pillars because my mind immediately went to the four people mentioned in Perinheri as well
also, knowing that the Doctor is coming.... yeah if there's one person who is capable of bringing Capitano back it's the guy who loves fucking around with bodies, segments and all that kinda stuff. He definitely knows enough about Khaenri'ahn technology to be able to pull it off. But honestly there are so MANY possibilities and directions they could take this in.
(Side note: the fact that something like Capitano's heart exists.... no wonder Dottore knows how to create segments of himself. I feel like they probably work similarly)
Well the summer event of simulanka has given us a lot of insight to whats coming in natlans story. Summer events normally give hints to the next AQ that releases. This simulanka event predicts that (like wanderor who ended up being the true hero of simulanka, el capitano is the true hero of natlan.) Further more, like durin being reborn from memory, so to will El Capitano. Some one on this comment section also talked about Capitanos heart. His heart is able to store souls but also memory. Now that hes the master of the night kingdom. He has access to a significant amount of memory and souls. Also his constellation also is of 3 nails. That is a reference to Christ dieing and being resurrected. Theres so much evidence supporting his return. I just hope he stays mostly the same. They can add some purple and white but mostly keep him the way he is.
he's definitely going to respawn when his promise for the fallen is complete
Ya Know this whole business with Guthred’s Copy REALLY is some Cause for Reconsidering the Strange Phenomenon of the Record of the MC’s Sibling in Irminsul; Instead of it being The Actual Sibling’s Memories being in Irminsul it is A “Story” of the Sibling’s Memories as Remembered by the Inhabitants of Teyvat!
OOOO
Thinking Tsaritsa letting Capitano upholding his seat and respecting his choice, was rather expected.
Capitano is now one with the LotN and controls the Night Kingdom. While Dottore still wants to burn the tree (Project Studzha?). If the celestial tree burns, they will also need to replace the leylines with their own Loom of Fate (Gnosis?). The stability of the leylines dont have to be upheld anymore if that happens, so the Night Kingdom could be connected to the new leylines and granting Capitano therefore overall control of those.
So while Capitano's wish was granted, it still feels like he did a more important job than just getting the gnosis, which another Harbringer(pls Columbina) can fulfill. Obviously assuming this is part of the plan. So in a sense Capitano is still the number 1 as he continues his work in the Night Kingdom/Future Leylines, unlike to say Signora who lost her seat.
Y'know, something just occurred to me. We know our sibling lived in Khaenri'ah before the fall. So they presumably knew about the Sinners that caused said fall. Especially since they traveled with Dain for hundreds of years. And then they stumbled upon THE Sinner and the "Abyss." But since Vedrfolnir talked to them via a giant crystal......I can't help but wonder if they know that Vedrfolnir is the one who brought them to the Abyss. And if they'd still lead the order if they knew???
I was so glad to hear your opinion on this AQ... you are the first genshin content creator that i see not complaining about it !
Great video as always. Capitano didn't just flip the bird to Ronova but used both hands and peaced out in the process.
Capitano having a mechanical heart was foreshadowed all along with his heart-shaped metal centerpiece. There's also the fact that Mavuika's suit leaves her heart exposed while his is covered up and Mavuika has been "emptying" her heart to sacrifice memories for the cause while Capitano went from attempting to rob the "heart of god" to giving up his 500-year old collection of souls. In summary they have both shinzou wo sasageyo and I'm going a little insane that they didn't talk more
Interesting that you make a distinction between Capitano's body and soul- it's the most solid theory for making him eventually playable that I've heard (alas, I am not optimistic). It depends on whether the curse is attached to the body or the soul, which has me thinking... Dain assumed Chlothar died because his body was buried but what if he just didn't want that body anymore? 👀 (I can't remember if Caribert ever actually talked about his dad being dead, I don't think he did!)
in the distinction I guess the curse is more attached to the soul than the body. as for Chlothar I am literally so lost because we found skellies that seem to be him and Caribert's mom and like.... nothing else?? i literally have nothing to go on?? aaaa
Reconstruction is interesting because:
1. Tenebrous Mimiflora shows that Abyssal entities can mimic the appearance, behaviour, and abilities of living and non-living things in Teyvat
2. With enough memories and willpower from the original, an Abyssal copy can appear as the genuine one like with the case of Quenin in Ochkanatlan.
3. Tlazolli being able to steal memories, store them to a memort bank, then use it to nearly brainwash someone.
4. Il Capitano has shown that a person cursed with immortality can master the ley lines, enough to change its rules.
Seems like the Fatui has seen enough ingredients to be able to recreate their own Irminsul using Azosite to create an Irminsul mimic, Tsaritsa can offer the Gnoses as a power source for it, and overwrite the entire Teyvat ley line network.
Thank you for coming to my crack theory talk 😂
14:31 i think traveler mentions right at the end of the quest that Capitano couldn't escape the rotting flesh thing the way Dain could because he doesn't sleep, so probably Pierro does the same thing Dain did, idk
I don't care about his playability anymore, I just want him to rest in peace
based. you are a true capitano lover
weird take
@@rav9040 You're just mad he isn't playable at the moment
me too, especially when some people in the fandom are romanticizing or sexualizing the f out of him in fanfictions centered around him on AO3.
He kinda reminds me of kalpas.@@roozeveltfox
I really wanted The Captain to be playable 😭
3:05
Venti was able to "exorcize" Stanley soul, so maybe if he went to Mondstadt when Venti was "active", he could do that. Also this reveals a lot about Venti.
This Capitano's story is the brief history of Soviet (Khaenri'ah) and Russian (Snezhnaya) soldiers in Africa.
Look up the statue of the Wagner founder and his right-hand man recently erected in Central Africa. They both died in a plane crash in 2023.
10:12 The 'Stories' are the necessary connection for Thrain and the Natlan Night Kingdom. This is why you dreamed of Thrain, but saw present day Capitano.
4:14 Dying to win" and "risking death to win" is different- Gojo Satoru.
This reminded me of episode when Gojo Satoru told Megumi that while being self-sacrificing can be noble, he should not throw his life away. Instead, he should push himself to his limits and improve by persevering.
I have the feeling he will comeback in the future just to help us with the Ley Lines since our twin now also has the power to manipulate them.
Khaenri’an tech to turn memories and souls into knowledge just sounds like a more advanced form of knowledge capsules from sumeru.
And tbh I still think this is the underlying principle for how dragon sovereigns are created/“reincarnated”
rooz just rizzed everyone with her theories about renova paradox, you Slayed
Am I the only one massively underwhelmed by ronova's response to the whole shebang? She is a fricking shade, she could drop mavuika right there and then if she wanted to and could've probably prevented capitano from creating this paradox, instead she just took the the L, gave up on the rule of death and just left as if the wasn't just outsmarted by a human, where is your pride miss god of death
mmm i guess my thinking for a while.... is that HP created an algorithm and ronova is just one aspect of that. so it's not like she has freewill herself, she has to abide by the coding of the HP (/headcanon? /theory? /etc?)
Honestly it sound like she's just checked out. The Lord of the Night says she's wallowing in self pity, and it kinda makes sense - she's so done with everything, even herself, that she just can't find the will to care about anything. She just wanted to get her job over and done with and cared very little about who died, just that someone did. She didn't fight back against Capitano at all, just kinda said 'okay sure, I can't break the immortality rule because that's not mine but go off king'.
I doubt she's some kind of AI; she seems like a very, very depressed person more than anything.
I think its interesting that she doesnt get indignant about the whole ordeal if you think about it getting angry that you were outsmarted is a very human response. Kind of like being embarassed that you were wrong about something theres logically no reason to be embarrassed or angry.
I HAVE TO STAY FOCUSED
Still at sumeru but i will hopefully get to this quest soon!!
Also how dare youtube hide this from me for a whole 18 minutes
maybe i just like him a lot but i wish he had more screentime or action in the aq but other than that, they gave him a really cool and goated "ending" for him
@@M_K499 no honestly my biggest criticism of the quest is that he could have / should have had more screentime. like LITERALLY everyone from natlan appeared during the NK segment
@@roozeveltfox yeah and the trailer's thumbnail also has capitano, imagine if 3 of them fighting the abyss and it would feel fulfilling/satisfying when capitano did THAT at the end, hope we see him in future and his story doesnt end here but man i hope we had more action scenes of him in act4 and 5
I thought I was already inhaling lots of copium when I think Capitano isn't exactly dead and that he might still be playable in the future. Still, whether he will be or not, his story was just so badass you can't help but give the man a salute. His character was just so good. What tickles my brain though is the fact that a harbinger is now in control of a nation's ley lines. Especially with his position being left as is, even though he 'died'. I wonder if this happening had anything to do with whatever the Tsaritsa was planning, or this result may have helped whatever the Tsaritsa was cooking up by coincidence? *tightens tinfoil hat while inhaling copium*
something cool i found for funsies (please tell me i'm not the only one who's thought this) but if you invert the colors of the shade of red that ronova and the sustainer of heavenly principles uses, it becomes cyan, like a lot of other things related to celestia (like the nails). made me think what if all the shades followed this same color scheme, so their technically the primordial one's (cyan) shadows.
edit: the more i think about it, the more crazy i sound
I don't think that sounds crazy at all. Genshin uses color very intentionally, and the red of Ronovoa and the Sustainer is really distinctive / unusual. It would be so cool if it's intentionally inverted from Celestia's blue!
oh neat ty! this actually might support some thoughts i’ve been having for the next vid…!!!
I have visited Thrain every day since he's been on his throne and listen to the music. What he did was really heroic but can't help feeling sad about his people even more.
I do wonder about our next Dain quest/Seeing if our sibling can use the Loom Of Fate... there's got to be some similarities between Thrain and our sibling using the Loom Of Fate to change the Ley Lines 😮
There’s something that doesn’t sit right with me: couldn’t Ronova just say no to Capitano’s offer of taking his life in the place of Mavuika’s? And thus sticking with the original plan of witnessing Mavuika’s death, that would save her a lot of the troublesome semantics of the paradoxes, and even if he did tried to sacrifice himself that would just have been and excuse for her to intervene since somebody tried to mess with the curse of immortality (which is highly implied to have been an order from above, and not something she came up with) and thus punishing him even more . I don’t get it why she seems to be so back up in a corner and has to accept their requests. To me it feels more like the writers need a way to keep Mavuika alive and to sacrifice Capitano in all his glory (which he definitely is deserving) without really thinking it through.
Is there something that I’m missing?
I agree with you. Honestly... I dont know about playable, but Capitano was in EVERY SINGLE 5.X trailer.... all of them! Also! Every harbinger IS a weekly boss.... all of them! Except for the ones we havent met yet and the doctor who Mavuika told us we should see next in his stronghold which is in Nod Krai (maybe we wont see him but thats HIS region). ALSO! Irminsul STILL has to burn! Hoyo confirmed that waa a future event!... i REAAALLLYY dont think Natlan is "over" the way they say it is. I think they WANT us to think its over and made it LOOK like its over, something BIG is gonna happen!!! And NO ONE is expecting it! ❤ which is PHENOMENAL story telling on Hoyos part ❤ I really think youre right on the money with potential capitano and signora returns. I mean... in winters night lazzo they all gathered to mourn signora. You think theyre just gonna be like, oh the captain died? Huh thats unexpected... oh well. I THINK NOT! Thw Tsaritsa herself! And maybe pierro might just show up in Natlan to pay their respects! Or maybe the doctor will come steal his body and make it a puppet! Maybe columbina has some secret angel powers and can help capitanos soul. Maybe the tsaritsa has a crazy power to REVIVE the dead JUST LIKE QIQI!!! 😂😂 this is all speculation of course! Who knows? Only time will tell. BUT hoyo did say theyre doing a complete overhaul on gameplay. 8th element?!?! Skirk got teased!!! Maybe skirk can help capitano and signora regain "life" to help the tsaritsa with her goal. Remember. THIS IS THE LAST GNOSIS!!!! every other archons gnosis the Tsaritsa has!!! And theyre all chest pieces! So... i dont know WHAT theyre cooking but I agree I dont think its really over but they want us to THINK it is so it comes as a big surprise to everyone and im ALL for it ❤❤❤ Thanks for the video ❤ and excited to see what comes next! I really hope they bring back my Captain ❤ as he's my favorite character. But i saw a comic of capitanos throne COVERED with primogems and intertwined fates that made me laugh harder than i have in a long time ❤😂 and im grateful for that! ❤
Great video! It seems like we had a lot of the same questions after this quest. I immediately thought of Chlothar and how in the world he got rid of the curse.
My guess is ultimately sort of simple: only the Abyss is powerful enough to challenge the Heavenly Principles. Specifically, Abyssal energy has the power to unmake, corrupt, and deconstruct things--so perhaps it is also the only thing that can unravel the "rules" governing Teyvat. If this is the case, then that would explain the entire motivation of the Abyss Order. They are working with the Abyss not because they love scary cosmic horrors, but because the Abyss is the ONLY thing powerful enough to undo their curse. I feel like if I were condemned to eternal suffering and also had to watch my child be turned into a mindless monster, I might also choose such a thing. It would explain the scene with the Sinner as well: Chlothar learns that Abyssal power (probably under the direction of one of the Sages and/or the Abyss Twin) can be used to alleviate the curse, and uses it on Caribert. This is what restores Caribert's mind and sparks the creation of the Abyss Order.
No idea if any of that is correct, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
As for Capitano's fate, I think there's an interesting possibility that Thrain is essentially an ancient name now. We learn Guthred only exists in the Night Kingdom because of the legends told about him, suggesting he functions like an Ancient Name (as what we see is a legacy embodied, not his actual soul). Thrain of course is also the subject of legends, far more so than Guthred by the end of the Archon Quest. This might be why the AQ ended in an unusual way, on the scene of children hearing the epic tale of Natlan. We gain an Ancient Name via our epic deeds and the power of the Lord of the Night... so I feel that Capitano is entirely eligible as well. Idk if this will play a role in his possible rebirth/ re-creation, but it's just an interesting thought.
This video also made me think more about our role as a descender and how perhaps the importance of being outside Irminsul is that only someone who is not recorded in the world is able to rewrite fate (much like you wouldn't be able to weave if you were in the middle of a loom, or the way you can't interact with your past or future self in time travel scenarios). That's not super related but I'm glad your video gave me so many ideas!
I think the way they 'closed' Capitano's story is perfect. It's conclusive but still open-ended. The thing is that Capitano's *lifeforce* is now tied to the Lord of the Night, eternally sustaining it. I'm not entirely sure how it's worded in lore and everything, but what if Dottore can somehow find a way with the special Nod-Krai powers to seperate Capitano's soul/sense of self from his lifeforce and his body, and put it into a *new segment?* Thereby making him playable?
i agree and this is very much along the lines i was thinking, but you expanded it better
Shade of Life: I need some sucker to sustain the angels on Natlan's Leylines
Ronova: I just cursed a bunch of pure blood Khanrians with immortality
HP: Here's a perfect plan...
Girl you cray-cray.
Also, crimson eye theory.
As a treat.
I remembered your prediction while playing lmao
I really do wish Capitano was the one who used Ronova’s power in the first place though. One, that would’ve given him more agency in the story, which was something he desperately needed; and two, the fact the user of Ronova’s power can pass-off the required death onto another person really cheapens the impact of using said power, and kinda feels like a cop-out since they were talking about how Mavuika would have to pay for using such a power. Capitano’s statement to the the Gods of Teyvat would hold a lot more meaning and have a lot more impact if he were the one who directly caused to circumstances leading to the paradox.
Omg finally someone that recognized that capitano did infact uphold the paradox like i seriously dont understand how it got so popular that he somehow didnt trigger the paradox??? At some point I started questioning my reading abilities lol
Finally someone who explains it in words I can actually understand. (English isn't my first language.) The others who explained it, still kinda made it really hard lol. You did an outstanding job!
Thank you, you also have a really soothing voice. :) I subscribed and can't wait to hear what you have to say next time!
I'm confused about when in the timeline the curse happened, because it seems like capitano's squad died towards the end of the cataclysm, after their country had already been abandoned and beyond saving.
But there's accounts in the desert of people being cursed in the middle of it. Shouldn't they already be unable to die?
At least we got a "Captain" to save her this time.
A day in which roozevelt uploads a video is a surely a blessed day
I wonder if all Shades have to demand a "price" or a "rule" in order for their power to be used and if so what price would Makoto have had to pay to use Istaroth's power?
+ I think Ronova was forced to curse Khaenri'ah since she is already the second case we have of a Shade helping an Archon behind the scenes and I don't see what reason she would have to help Natlan if she didn't genuinely care about humanity.
Many monarchs have come and gone.
One drowned in poison, another succumbed to flame. Still another slumbers in a realm of ice.
Not one of them stood here, as you do now. You, conqueror of adversities.
Give us your answer.
in terms of such good preservation for other people cursed with immortality, we have an explanation , the Captaino has not slept for 5 hundred years because of thousands of souls constantly suffering in his heart, I feel like a living corpse after two days without sleep, now imagine what 500 years of this will do to a person
i mean im willing to believe that dain is just taking super long naps between the dain quests. it... makes sense i think
LOVED ts vid keep going!
GOOD VIDEO, I'm sure we all love CAPITANO even though we couldn't see his face, he's sure to be just as attractive as the other characters from Khaenri'ah, all that stuff about CAPITANO's modified heart reminds me of the HEART of NABERIUS that Albedo and Rhinedottir found, maybe it has the same capacity but on a larger scale.
No joke, when the last part of AQ played i was like "shit she's right" lmao
inb4 clothar didn't actually die and it was just some insane misdirection by hoyo because 500 years is a very long time after all so it was just two random sumerians buried there
I feel like the Hoyoverse Devs would not have approved this storyline if it meant Capitano could never be playable. He's just too popular of a character already. Also, imagine the hype if/when he does return! I can't imagine them not doing that. It would be even cooler if him controlling the Natlan Ley Lines was somewhow secretly a key part of the Tsaritsa'a plan...
what I didn't mention in my "hoyo can just do this!" section is that if it IS purely a monetary thing.. like... Capi and Signora would uhhh definitely revenue, and like WAY more than the random end-patch characters they throw out? (No hate to Emilie or Kaveh or Sethos because I LOVE them but im just saying)
Could be playable on the rule of Capitano could remotely control his body. Besides, hoyo allows for dead lorewise characters to be playable in HSR and HI3, it's just a matter of time till it happens in genshin.
Oh SPEAKING OF ‘sentinel knight’ there’s something that I find very interesting
In Chinese, this title was written as ‘天柱騎士’, literally meaning ‘sky pillar knight’.
Sky pillar, hm… this may be a stretch, but it kinda sounds like ‘celestial nail’… does Capitano’s heart have similar properties/functions with the nails in any way?
though I'm not super satisfied with the possible explanations for why Ronova doesn't just command Mavuika's death to avoid the whole paradox, I am happy with a situation where our immortal captain MIGHT actually become playable one day 🙏
also I'm so happy you made the connection between Azosite and Capitano's heart like the ley lines being harnessed by Khaenriah seems even more important now
Capitano giving Ronova the finger did things to me that I was not expecting. Khaenri'an's are just built different. Sidenote: I love your editing so much it makes the videos so fun
You, who bear the curse.
Once the fire is linked, souls will flourish anew.
It is your choice..to embrace, or renounce this...
Great Sovereign, take your throne.
What lies ahead, only you can see.
@10:36 "It seems like you might be able to make a copy of someone"
A COPYtano, perhaps? 😉
I still don't really get why it's a paradox. Capitano doesn't actually truly die, that's the key point of why Capitano can give the Lord of the Night eternal power - because he *cannot die*... So to me it seems like it's a very neat trick that massively helped Natlan, but I don't get why Ronova accepts it as counting as a death that meets the requirements. That's the real paradox, that Ronova apparently agrees that it counts as the death she wanted but at the same time believes that Capitano cannot die. She could have easily just gone "Damn, that was cool that he did that, but I still need my death"
It's a rule she herself cannot just change its requirements
@@Rem560 But she does make a judgement about whether or not it meets the requirements, she first says "I shall accept Mavuika's sacrifice for the Lord of the Night as her death". The rule is that it must be the death of Mavuika or an equal individual. Capitano *cannot die*. So clearly his merge with LotN shouldn't meet the requirements of a death, since he doesn't die.
From what I understand after thinking Abt it for some time, ronova maybe can just say she doesn't want capitano's death but lotn is the one that will enact the death... and she chose capitano cuz it will be more beneficial for humanity in the long run. Ronova maybe can just say fuck it either pyro archon die or other natlan people will die to compensate for the rule tht she established.
Hence this is where capitano and lotn deals come from. They already agreed to merge with each other beforehand. However, the merge will constitute death as per ronova's rule hence will trigger paradox between rule of death and immortality. So even though ronova can just be stubborn and refuse capitano's and lotn decision, if they merge first a paradox will be triggered and ronova might have to bear the consequences from hv (heavenly principles). Do remember that this deal of death is only btwn ronova, pyro archon and lotn and have nothing to do with hv if I remember correctly. So to prevent paradox tht will be triggered by capitano's merging with lotn between death (as it constitutes death per ronova's rule of the merging) and immortality curse (punishment from hv to khaenriah's people) ronova needs to abandon one of her rule and she decided to abandon the latter as the first rule is directly connected to hv. That's why even after capitano merge with lotn he isn't exactly dead (his immortal body and life force became a fuel to lotn for eternity while his soul merges with the leylines)
In conclusion, if ronove refuses capitano's offer and insists on either pyro archon's life or natlan people > they will merge anyway > trigger paradox > ronova deal with consequence from hv
If ronova agrees > she have to lift the death rule to not trigger paradox > no need for anybody's sacrifice > capitano's merge with lotn don't constitutes death > his immortal body become eternal fuel to lotn > natural order is preserved so it won't alert hv
@@re_runn That makes sense! I got the impression that the paradox actually was triggered, but I think it makes sense that Ronova decided to bend the death rule a bit in order to protect the immortality curse and prevent a paradox
Adding to the arguments the Capitano may return, it certainly seems that the boss fights against the harbingers are going in the counter clockwise order we see in the one piece of background art, especially if Columbina is the next weekly boss of 5.x. If the 3 nails are indeed Capitano, it implies he’ll return in some form during the 6.x AQ. If I were to guess, since it seems Dottore will be the main antagonist during 6.x based on Mavuika’s dialogue, I wouldn’t be surprised if he attempts to resurrect the Captain using his now vacated body and a copy of his mind from the Ley Lines. He’d certainly attempt it just to see what would happen, consequences be damned.
For the Capitano being playable we could have, like you said, the memories of the hero Thrain, like Gutherd it should exist somewhere in the Night Kingdom, inhabit his body and we basically would have a copy of Capitano since contrary to Gutherd he really was a righteous man like the stories say he was, or we could have the the Lord of the Night take control of his body like a puppet in case the Night Kingdom is threatened by the Abyss again like what is likely to happen when the Tsaritsa attacks Celestia in a final war, with the primordial one even more weakened or gone maybe the celestial nails would lose their power too and amidst the chaos would be the perfect time for the abyss to strike all of Teyvat.
Capitano's merge with the ley lines reminded me so much of the end of the Loki TV show... and it hurt just as much... 🥲
Pour one out for all the Capitano wanters out there.
Also for all the people who hoped he wouldn't be white.
I would like to see someone do a video about all of death in teyvat. The souls from enkonomiya, the ones from tsurumi island and their mentions of the silver ship. The night kingdom. It kind of feels like there are a lot of different afterlives going on in teyvat. And I don't hear anyone talking about the tsurumi epilogue lore in connection to this topic either.
tbh I don't like Ronova but also I do? Like; she's not what I was expecting but also showing at least one of the 4 shades as being so completely inhuman and alien; right down to their appearance I think is a good thing. y'know? These aren't the archons. These aren't your friends. They do not care.
I think that Ronova probably didn't mind because she seems to have been severely depressed for centuries, possibly because she, the being who introduced the Rule of Death (which is generally portrayed as a kind and peaceful respite before being reincarnated), kept having to grant painful immortality to multiple societies that seem to have been massively trained by Abyssal Corruption that could poison Irminsul if their souls are allowed into a Leyline Nerwork that wasn't cut off.
14:10 that kinda reminds me of knowledge capsules
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At the end of the natlan archon quest, its mentioned that our next stop, Nod Krai uses a power that is known as the predecessor to elemental power. When you mentioned Khaenriah's old power source at 13:50 , it made me wonder whether that is the power source that the nod krai uses. Definitely has me thinking this area could be connected to khaenriah in some way, or is following in a similar manner...
In my opinion, Fontaine archon quest is better than the one we had on Natlan.
from a lore perspective i can totally agree with this. mavuika gave us the tiniest crumbs about nod-krai but like fkin SKIRK gave us DESCENDER LORE??? ye
Still don't understand why Renova decided to humour Capitano. Couldn't she just ignore him and make the Lord of the Night kill Mavuika and skedaddle since she said she doesn't care about Natlan anymore?
Another question i also had was, How did the Captain's men die? was he the only one with immortality among them? weren't they all from Kheanri'ah?
"Either change the rules or run", *to a Shade*
I just have something I need to say. This may be stupid, it is really just a thought I had, which is rare to begin with. But have fun with it:
They way Capitanos modified heart works (converting memories and souls from the Ley Lines) immediately reminded me of the the most recent Abyss monsters (Tenebrous Mimiflora, Papilla). Because their descriptions say that the Abyss can extract memories from the Ley Lines and then distort them or do whatever with them. (That's how they can mimic life forms of Teyvat.)
Again, just a single thought, no further elaborations or anything. I mean the only parallel here really is that they both take memories out of the Ley Lines and learn from them/ use them.
Actually, this makes me think that maybe the 5 Sinners figured that power out, and created new technology from it, like Capitanos heart.
Essentially what it boils down to is that the situation is a lot like how Will Turner and Davy Jones are bound to the Flying Dutchman in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. (We shall see if he's able to move from that spot for a single day). With how this situation played out. The Curse stands above all. Not alive, not dead. He's cursed.
Hello 👋 I was waiting for this video because mostly I've just been seeing people hating on everything and never being happy with the writing etc. So I was looking forward to your focus on the lore side of things because wow we got a lot in this part of the AQ. I don't have much to add other than, to me, Ronova seemed like she couldn't get out of there fast enough? Like she was fearful of being there when the rules were bent/broken by Thrain's choice? Which makes me need more information about the Gods so bad 😅
Honestly I really enjoyed the writing and have been crying over what a good man Thrain was, and that he's resting easy now. One of the coolest characters we've been gifted with so far, I can't wait to see if there's more to this. (Maybe when we get the final blazing flint ore and offer it...?)
Thank you for a great wrap up video of what happened, I'm looking forward to what else you come up with 😊
“The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!"
I have something unrelated to this, what if after our ancient name being forged we now belong to this world bcoz our memories are now being stored in leylines, and what if same thing had happened to our sibling when they completed their journey and became the part of this world. Correct me if i m wrong...
For a long time I have this idea that the Khaenri'ah arc (at least parts of it) will happen in the past, by we going to the past or playing as the other sibling, there Capitano and Signora past versions will become playable characters.
Going to the past while the characters were alive to have them as playable characters is a good way to not bring dead people back but still making them available.
Capitano's heart eerily reminds me of an old event when we fought a unique Ruin Grader near the Golden Wolflord's arena, it had an annoying ability to siphon health (memories/souls?) directly from the leylines. Not to mention one of the voice lines of Ruin Guards sounds like its saying 'let me out'. Can't be an Eva reference right?
What do you think about Capitano/ Thrain being a possible Alberich? He shares some pretty significant design elements with Kaeya ( Furcoat, cape) and is one of three people from Khaenri‘ah that has dark hair ( the other two were Alberichs). It‘s in interesting theory in my opinion that has popped up in some spaces.
The Alberichs seem to be an extensive line in nobility (and also, not nobility, too). Maybe not direct to Kaeya, but tangentially, perhaps? But definitely a possibility/likelihood
I'm slightly confused how Capitano presented Ronova with a paradox. Couldn't Ronova just not accept his deal and take Mavuika's life anyways? That would mean that Capitano would have to continue being alive and immortal.
my take is that it’s not really a deal. citlali tells us it’s not repayment. as a law the death just has to happen - that’s why ronova was only there as a witness
current thoughts:
It's not a deal, it's a rule. The rule is as follows: whoever holds the position of Pyro Archon is allowed to use the Shade's power -- but in exchange, they must offer their life, OR other life of the same value (idr where this was mentioned, i believe in the same text that explains how Xbalanque made the rules of Natlan? It was said other lives could be offered instead, but thousands would have to die to replace him)
Since Ronova confirmed that Capitano was a suitable replacement for Mavuika -- they are on the same level. The exchange follows the rule, so Ronova can't do anything about it UNLESS she breaks the rule of death. So she'd have had to break the rule anyway, but in the scenario we got it was a more positive outcome for humanity, which Ronova seems to be somewhat sympathetic towards despite her apathetic behavior, or she wouldn't have crafted this rule for Xbalanque in the first place.
Not sure why you would hate Ronova tbh. Sure she cursed Capitano's people but that was basically her doing her job and doing as ordered while when NOT ordered she struck a deal to *help* Natlan that would have gotten her into trouble had she not lied about it. If anything I would say she's been quite a fair and reasonable authority figure so far.
been here before this video goes absolute banger in future
I think the "Memory into Knowledge" is easily aswered by "Fontaine is Bacon (Mishri, 2023)"
i wonder if the archons also have a certain type of the curse of immortality? they don’t physically erode the way the khaenri’ans do but we do learn in zhongli’s quest that they do still mentally erode due to their long lifespans. and then skirk also referred to the gnoses as objects of misfortune…just a thought
Woah first. Also RIP my GOAT Capitano