@@Tony.nf10 Putting aside whether or not Simulanka should be considered within or outside the borders of Teyvat, I will note that their glorious king both originated in and returned to Teyvat, where she still resides to this day.
To stoke the flames of this theory, I'd like everyone to turn their eyes towards Phainon from Honkai Star Rail, the newest and a very blatant variant of Kevin Kaslana. Phainon is named after a sky god with strong ties to Phaeton, a name for the sun. He is also *covered* with imagery of suns.
20:00 I would be kinda hype if they made the primordial one or atleast “the king part” named Solomon like maybe Phanes is the primordial one as a whole and Solomon being “the king”
They could do it, but let's not forget that we already have a King Solomon, which is king Deshret, a lot of his character is based on Judaism and King Solomon specifically.
@@Nationalist166 That's not the case. It's the other way around in fact. Amun, Remus, Morax, Beelzebul, and all those other God-Kings and Demon Gods are supposed to mirror aspects of the Primordial One. In other words, Amun's parallels to Solomon with Nabu Malikata are more a reflection of Phanes. You will immediately notice this when you look at Raiden Ei's character and see how similar she was metaphorically during the Inazuma Chapter to how the Heavenly Principles govern Teyvat right now.
To further support your theory of Paimon of being a Kiana variant is that both Kiana and Paimon are gluttonous and will chow down on delicious food when they get the chance
I can't believe I've been confusing asmoday for ronova this whole time, alongside och-kan and waxaklahun ubah kah...the lore has expanded in ways my feeble brain cannot compute but happy 5.3 (and 2.0 for wuwa players soon) to everyone, and a happy new year! Last comment of 2024, on a great theory channel
I have a question here: if the Tsaritsa wants the Gnosis to resurrect the Third Descender and use their power, why go to such lengths? If the goal is simply to obtain the will to rival the world, wouldn't the Traveler, a living Descender, suffice? The Traveler is already capable of wielding all elemental powers, essentially acting as a "walking Gnosis." Instead of seeking the Third Descender, why not convince the Traveler to help by offering information about their sibling, or even resort to kidnapping? However, it seems like the Tsaritsa might need the Third Descender specifically, either because of unique abilities that only they possess or for personal reasons. After all, we know the Tsaritsa desires the Gnosis itself, not the elemental authority, as Neuvillette already holds the Hydro element's authority.
@@AndrewsMobs Yeah sure we are weak now but our sibling is strong right so we can get strong as well. We can gain our original power faster with Fatui help. Also they can experiment on us like "Wanderer". As a defender we have more "value" or "worth" than any other. From what we know the Tsaritsa is not in hurry.
@@AndrewsMobs That's true. When we think it in that then Idk how we are going to "Fight/Appose" the Heavenly principle and their shades at the end. I am assuming we are going take fight in that "War". Or are we going to talk-no-jitsu them?
Happy new year! 🎉 I see that you still hold true to the 4 shades being Kiana variant and 'the king' being Kevin variant. I wish we can see what Ronova looks like so we can confirm this... And unrelated note, looking forward if you ever make Amphoreus lore video since you love greek mythology. Love your videos so much, thank you for your hardwork in last year!
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thank you so much for the lore videos! it makes the game content more interesting than it really is in game 😂 was thinking how about the fatui infusing the seven gnosis on the traveller to be stronger against the war with celestia
Happy New Year man! 🎉🎉🎉 Started watching your videos back in fall of 2023, still remember sitting in my university hall for an hour just to finish it in one go haha
actually a lot of players at least those who know more abt honkaiverse than js hsr and genshin call the same characters but in difrnet universe variants, like Luocha is variant of Otto and we call expies characters that js looks similar but dont have anything more connected to eachother on cosmologic lvl loke variants have
Gotta say I've been pretty split in the factions of Dragons/ Mortals/ Celestia, but after hearing your thoughts on The Primordial One and the Shades (Potentially) being variants of Kiana I might have to fully be on Celestia's side then I'm too biased when it comes to Kiana LOL
you know how you sait that phanes dindt go trough mitosis it actually kindas makes sense to call it meiosis like an egg cell since whent that hapens there is one egg cell that is usefull and 3 others wich canntot be used to reproduce but idk the numbers dont end up that well unless we count phanes as a shade
I think it has been mentioned that Tsaritsas love transformed into determination after the Cataclysm I think Venti says something to that affect as well
I think “Peace” makes the most sense as the Tsaritsa’s ideal. It fits with Ice/Cryo as an element and is stated as her gift by Pierro in Lazzo. Plus her nation’s ideal being Peace would best justify her having squads of “diplomats” that are allowed to occupy the other nations. I also think it’s brilliant that those diplomats are called Fools to show that they defy Logic.
I know its unrelated to the video but i just did the Citlali quest and I need to write something somwhere or I go crazy (no spoilers). Why do I feel like Citlali has something in common with Fuli the Remembrance (conceptually)
thanks for your hard work! I'm desperate to know your thoughts on if/how the moon sisters were usurped, as I've been pulling my hair trying to untangle the relationship between the moons, the angels, the dragons, and what all celestia has stolen/repurposed/recycled. happy new year!
Following on from the Tsaritsa Herrscher of Reason being a Descender thought - I think there's potential for a Void Archives variant as Descender (and it might be Traveler) since VA was made using the Herrscher of Reason's core. Genshin's alchemy has swapped red and yellow, so that the final goal is yellow. Descender's I feel are kinda comparable to philosopher's stones as they are both one of the end results of alchemy (assuming that's Rhinedottir's goal), and VA is essentially just a yellow philosopher's stone that gained a human body. I think this idea also fits well with Flowers for Princess Fischl and what it says about Zarathustra too
You know after what you said, there is some possibility that paimon is actually the shade of life transformed. Asmodai still being the shade of space. Thats my newest tinfoil theory for 2025. Given her personality, embracing of foodstuffs, treasure seeking, seelie like guidance paradigms. The angels being an creation of one or more of the shades also makes a lot of sense. That way we have angels of death, angels of life, angels of space and angels of time. All having been transformed by the second who came's grievous attack on the primordial one's dynasty. Also given power levels and what can overide what in teyvat, the shades were not transformed or changed from what we have learnt so the transformative action on the seelies was done by something only AT the same power level as a shade, not above them.
I like your idea but at the same time, it feels odd for the Shade of Life to be with the Traveler. Paimon can't really be Istaroth since both have difference Demon Names... It's hard to tell. She might be the Shade of Life.
this has nothing to do with the topic of the video but I just wanna say I've been watching your videos for 2 years now and I'm glad you are letting more of your personality shine through and it has certainly made the video more enjoyable
The reason you think that is purely based on overall player base perception. We actually have no reason to believe "Love" is her ideal. Virtue makes much more sense given the context described in the timestamp you provided.
@@tycopsyche Quote exactly what Dainsleif says, because he sure as hell does not confirm Bronya as the 'God of Love'. The Tsaritsa is literally labelled Bronya in the game files but her ideal is still unknown.
@@NatureWatcher343 In the Travail trailer, when Dainsleif outlines each act, the writers placed each god's ideal within the first sentence or two. In order, it goes: Freedom, Contracts, Eternity, Wisdom, Justice, War, and Love with no love left for her people.
@@tycopsyche Yeah, except with those other ones he actually confirms the Ideal. When it comes to the Tsaritsa, Dain isn't saying she is the God of Love, he is simply saying she had no love for her people. You did not even provide the quote because when you saw it I bet you realized that you were wrong.
It's all fine but it does not explain why the Descenders are in this world at all and not why the Fatui needs them either. Why are they interested in Teyvat at all
Aether and Lumine showed up by mistake (as far as we know), PO invaded the Dragons, Second Who Came had beef with the PO. The only mysterious one is the Third.
@@ShirouE But I understand that but that is not the story they are going to go for. Lumine did not just accidentally wonjder into Khaenri'ah. Something pulled them into that world something about heaven and hell and is the reason why the archons have demon god names. But I don't fully understand how everything ties together. As far as I understand the siblings are connected to dragons because dragons are stars in chinese mythology and Lumine and Aether are called fallen stars/descenders. But they must have fallen from somewhere and it should be connected to the Gnosis I think Arlecchino is supposed to be represented by the "Hell" version because her name is Cinder of two worlds and her deformed paris also look like demonic influences she could be the reset button and born with that curse for that reason. It looks like she has primogem symbol eyes that has been crossed out possibly as a punishment for what her descendants did during the Crimson Moon Dynasty
@@alexanderericson8628 I'll have to go back and look for direct text but weren't the twins summoned by Khaenriah? They "responded to the summoning". Based on the info we've gotten, my personal theory is that King Irmin was trying to summon descenders that would help maybe overthrow Celestia (or something else of that magnitude). They had an entire orphanage for people that were not from Teyvat after all.
@@wiseathena97 My interpretation is that Teyvat responds to the siblings world the same way Simulanka does to Teyvat, and I think that is what Alice essentially wants to show
Happy new yea....... also cryo will bring an iceage to tayvat/a reset of the "motherboard" wich brings me to the the time bro/sis said "when you reach the end of your journey"
Fyi If you read my last theory I left for you on your last video. Here is another one for you. The Goddess of Life was known as Selene the Goddess of the Flowering Moons. She devided herself into three parts, One is now dead the shattered moon, the second died but cloned themselves and that is Nehida, and lastly the Third is still in Celestia as the last operator. They are all based on The Kiana clone Theresa, who has the weapon selens Elegy in HI3rd. Lastly along those lines Tribbie gave this all away in the Starrails newest video that outlines Tyvat greek of Amphereus
Yo hear me out crazy theory since the Tsaritsa is the Cryo Archon known for love what if her true love was the third descender it would really elevate the story and make it seem her beef with celestia is personal asf 😅
I won't be surprised if this goes down similar to how Nezarec was resurrected in Destiny 2, except that the descender being resurrected will go berserk we have to stop it.
I don't even think PO is even in Teyvat rn "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come." so PO may have lost to the SWC and now Celestia is being run by a bunch of imposters, it certainly explains a lot of things.
Are we not gonna mention the fact that in the beta version in Childe's vision story the name Tsaritsa isn't even mentioned and instead he refers to the cryo archon as BRONYA?!
Honestly if the solar king and lunar queen thing turns out to be true, I will be all for it. I just really hope they make the full PO truly androgynous (And no, fucking Araya from GGZ is not androgynous. She is as cute anime girl, waifu, and neckbeard-bait as they come).
For some reason I'm not really into 3rd descender resurrection plan, (probably likely according to the people, but I just never really consider it to be in that way) clearly because there's Natlan and its theme. Actually you know what, it is likely, but I have a completely different concept for its ressurection, all I'm saying is Tsaritsa definitely had been cooking so well and had it for so long that it becames cold. Pierro seeing Tsaritsa after his king/sages foolishly almost obliterating Teyvat is totally for a reason. And the fact that, for any reason, Cryo characters' burst image having chess pieces around it (allegedly gnoses but don't look like the ones that Archons have) compared to the other elements burst that's basically just an indifferent expression of their elements, we can say that she's 'just' collecting the gnoses but, is it? 🤔Or as people say, it might be related to the shattered halberd. Which is actually, ok-, I used to think that Divine Halberds are Descenders (the way in the book it also fell off like a meteor which reminds me of the travelers) which fits again but, I might have things so specific in mind how it would work out but maybe, not rly in the way that it would be about this one resurrection (of the 3rd Decender), but is it definitely related to the 'resurrection'? Yes.
Also, I always think that the descenders after PO were coming from, PO themselves 😶(or 'made' similarly like them, from who knows) (technically could be from whoever this 'god king' is) Because: 1. Judging by PO's attitude towards them 2. Ok, how do I put it, the fact that it was a 'war of vengeance' and I kinda try to suggest that our traveler, who's now known as 'chosen of dragons', that has 'draconic' powers, might not be just 'the fourth' in this case... But actually idk if i want to play into that necessarily, But, when you compared contramundi to Nibelung and PO in Remuria quest (which is rly clever), I actually have similar concept but with Boethius. So maybe these guys were 'friends' before, but their covenants not exactly turned out like what they had planned, because of unexpected cause, that most of them in a form of betrayals (or misunderstanding). And.. and now I'm thinking about contract, and- Actually wanted to add something, that I think it was kinda 'needed' for other descenders to 'break' the world made by the first bc, reasons. I forgot if i have something to quote or not from the game so i can't rly explain it rn
I think they hint at the plan of the tsaritsa will only half work but the abyssal twin will work but in the end we will definitely fight dinslif and save the twin . If im not mistaken ?
If theres anything that we’ve learned from natlan, nothing from the past matters! This new weiting team has like scrapped everything so who knows whats going to happen now.
Regarding your statement in 21:00, abt Sirin and Kiana having the same ancestor. Is that accurate? I didn't knew that. We know that K-423 is the mix of genes of OG Kiana and Sirin. But does Sirin herself a descendant of the Kaslanas?
I am using 'Common Ancestor' in a design sense not an actual biological or genetic sense. When I say "Sirin and Asmoday share a Common Ancestor in Kiana" I mean the following:- Both Sirin and Asmoday are different iterations of the 'Kiana Character Concept' or 'Kiana Design' and, therefore, both would not exist without the original Kiana from Fly Me 2 The Moon.
@DragonMJE Got it. Tnx! The first thing that comes to mind when the name Sirin being mentioned is the purple haired one who is the original Sirin so I was confused at first.
there is no king of heaven, but now they will be, but is obvious that tsaritsa wants to be that god king and she wants to use the gnosis to become a descender like Rene but Aether is the true descender
I don't even play Honkai and I'd be super hype if the shades were all versions of Kiana. I don't see the Tsaritsa trying to bring back the 3rd Descender either, just because Shattered Halberd says the sword was split into 9 pieces and that feels too much like a gnosis reference. There would be 2 other pieces, making that goal impossible. Also, the weakened PO having a failsafe against the third descender makes sense.
For a year now i really wanted 4 Shades to be Sirin, Sirin(KianaHoV), Durandal and actual Kiana, but i thought it was way too crazy because no matter how much Genshin likes honkai, there was no way Then they make fkin Phainon and yea u know what WHY NOT WHY NOT DO THAT COME AT ME I WILL COLELCT ALL THE CUTE KIANAS
I think the Tsaritsa was, if she isn't the og Cryo Archon, the wife of og Cryo Archon. I call him "The Tsar". She was the goddess of love until the Tsar was killed in the Cataclysm and her heart is broken.
I highly doubt that. There are way too many losers playing this game who will REFUSE to pull for a character if they are remotely in any romantic relationship with anyone other than the Traveler.
@DragonMJE your videos are always really interesting and Im always really excited to see what theories people come up with and also the reasons behind it and all so I always try to watch the video the moment someone uploads it( I hope that makes sense)
I’m gonna laugh if after the Third Descender is Revived they decide NOT to help the Fatui and instead join forces with the Fourth Descender or make a Counter Proposal that uniquely appeals to the Fourth Descender’s ideals…
With the tone he puts into the videos i don't feel like watching a video about lore, it's more like going to a "weird" mass where phanes is worshipped or something 😅
there has been a movement in the fandom (for a while now, actually) to stop using expy and to use variant/variation/iteration/counterpart/etc instead! hoyostans, one of the early adopters of expy, has gone out of their way to try to correct the misuse of the expy term to describe how hoyoverse uses and developers characters. it's probably best to use variation more than expy despite it being the more well-known term because it'd help expose the fandom to the correct term and help shift the fandom's vocabulary ^^
There is actually an Official term that have came out for a while now(From Denfaminoco's Interview of Honkai's writer), but I still can't imagine people try using the word "Parallel Isotype" in every conversation xD that involve talking about iteration of character.
@@tseiny8761 yeah and it has even been used in-game in HSR (the phenomenon is "parallelistic spacetime isotype") but it's played off for laughs in-universe as some internet theory. I don't remember when the interview came out relative to the usage in-game, though. The game introduced it during the heliobus event ^^
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What do you mean that there is no King in Teyvat? Are you *trying* to disrespect the Demoiselle and her glorious mustache?
Ngl this was funny
Technically that was simulanka not teyvat.
Lmao 😂😂
@@Tony.nf10 Putting aside whether or not Simulanka should be considered within or outside the borders of Teyvat, I will note that their glorious king both originated in and returned to Teyvat, where she still resides to this day.
Capitano defeating Ronova with a parasox lends weight to this theory.
parasox
Yay, my first video in 2025, happy new year guys!!!
Last video in the big 24 for 💔
Is 2024 yet for me
HAPPY NEE YEAAARR
Tell us about the future. Is it bright or is it bleak?
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Its very loud
To stoke the flames of this theory, I'd like everyone to turn their eyes towards Phainon from Honkai Star Rail, the newest and a very blatant variant of Kevin Kaslana.
Phainon is named after a sky god with strong ties to Phaeton, a name for the sun. He is also *covered* with imagery of suns.
I directly thought of him too
20:00 I would be kinda hype if they made the primordial one or atleast “the king part” named Solomon like maybe Phanes is the primordial one as a whole and Solomon being “the king”
That's what I currently think tbh.
That would be cool
I hope Celestia's Ruler is called Solomon tbh
They could do it, but let's not forget that we already have a King Solomon, which is king Deshret, a lot of his character is based on Judaism and King Solomon specifically.
@@Nationalist166 That's not the case. It's the other way around in fact. Amun, Remus, Morax, Beelzebul, and all those other God-Kings and Demon Gods are supposed to mirror aspects of the Primordial One. In other words, Amun's parallels to Solomon with Nabu Malikata are more a reflection of Phanes. You will immediately notice this when you look at Raiden Ei's character and see how similar she was metaphorically during the Inazuma Chapter to how the Heavenly Principles govern Teyvat right now.
To further support your theory of Paimon of being a Kiana variant is that both Kiana and Paimon are gluttonous and will chow down on delicious food when they get the chance
So does that mean Asmoday is a foodie too?
@@EthHawke94 but who will cook for Asmoday? Raiden from Teyvat can't cook... now I understand why Kiana looks so unhappy
@@kawazuchi probably for herself?
Also they are dumb as hell
@@EthHawke94 a kiana variant cooking can't see it
i believe the usurper king is either a Kevin (biological ancestor) or Otto (golden manipulator) variant
Or Void archive which is kind
Dotto is the foul it fits too well infact
Im really starting to believe the traveler and the abyss sibling are both exps/variants of otto apocalypse
I think so too
If they kill paimon we gonna get tous spoke the travler
I can't believe I've been confusing asmoday for ronova this whole time, alongside och-kan and waxaklahun ubah kah...the lore has expanded in ways my feeble brain cannot compute
but happy 5.3 (and 2.0 for wuwa players soon) to everyone, and a happy new year! Last comment of 2024, on a great theory channel
I have a question here:
if the Tsaritsa wants the Gnosis to resurrect the Third Descender and use their power, why go to such lengths? If the goal is simply to obtain the will to rival the world, wouldn't the Traveler, a living Descender, suffice? The Traveler is already capable of wielding all elemental powers, essentially acting as a "walking Gnosis." Instead of seeking the Third Descender, why not convince the Traveler to help by offering information about their sibling, or even resort to kidnapping?
However, it seems like the Tsaritsa might need the Third Descender specifically, either because of unique abilities that only they possess or for personal reasons. After all, we know the Tsaritsa desires the Gnosis itself, not the elemental authority, as Neuvillette already holds the Hydro element's authority.
Maybe because she doesn't acknowledge us as a significant threat/help, she thinks we are the weaker descenders, or something like that
Probably cause we too weak
@@AndrewsMobs Yeah sure we are weak now but our sibling is strong right so we can get strong as well. We can gain our original power faster with Fatui help. Also they can experiment on us like "Wanderer". As a defender we have more "value" or "worth" than any other. From what we know the Tsaritsa is not in hurry.
@@mustangbro2000 The travellers even at full strength got destroyed by a shade.
By descender standards we are weak.
@@AndrewsMobs That's true. When we think it in that then Idk how we are going to "Fight/Appose" the Heavenly principle and their shades at the end. I am assuming we are going take fight in that "War". Or are we going to talk-no-jitsu them?
Happy new year! 🎉
I see that you still hold true to the 4 shades being Kiana variant and 'the king' being Kevin variant. I wish we can see what Ronova looks like so we can confirm this...
And unrelated note, looking forward if you ever make Amphoreus lore video since you love greek mythology. Love your videos so much, thank you for your hardwork in last year!
22:31 Yo, bro had the whole squad ready at the end there 😂 (these are all the characters he uses in his videos btw).
thank you for releasing this just in time for maintenance boredom. happy new year!
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-Joker
Happy new year! Great video as always. I love the theory of Shades being Kiana. Very tangible!
Watch Otto (Ayato) destroy the imaginary tree (irminsul) in patch 6.8
I wonder it D*otto*re is also supposed to be an Otto variant.
@@captaindanger13neither are Otto’s variants lol
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- Ayato (Otto)
thank you so much for the lore videos! it makes the game content more interesting than it really is in game 😂 was thinking how about the fatui infusing the seven gnosis on the traveller to be stronger against the war with celestia
Happy New Year as well! My mind is ready for your mindblowing lore and theories!
Happy New Year man! 🎉🎉🎉
Started watching your videos back in fall of 2023, still remember sitting in my university hall for an hour just to finish it in one go haha
Into the Bronyaverse let's goooo
Happy new year!
To another wonderful year for lore videos and theories!
actually a lot of players at least those who know more abt honkaiverse than js hsr and genshin call the same characters but in difrnet universe variants, like Luocha is variant of Otto and we call expies characters that js looks similar but dont have anything more connected to eachother on cosmologic lvl loke variants have
Prodigal son is also Venti, according to the cecilia flowers
Gotta say I've been pretty split in the factions of Dragons/ Mortals/ Celestia, but after hearing your thoughts on The Primordial One and the Shades (Potentially) being variants of Kiana I might have to fully be on Celestia's side then I'm too biased when it comes to Kiana LOL
Our beeeloved Sustainer of heavenly principal. and the PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS.
That christmas video sure was a gift
you know how you sait that phanes dindt go trough mitosis it actually kindas makes sense to call it meiosis like an egg cell since whent that hapens there is one egg cell that is usefull and 3 others wich canntot be used to reproduce but idk the numbers dont end up that well unless we count phanes as a shade
also happy new years sorry this comment is written horribly english isnt my first language
Bro chose the best time to upload 😂
Yippee!!
12 seconds comment... Damn
I think it has been mentioned that Tsaritsas love transformed into determination after the Cataclysm I think Venti says something to that affect as well
Happy new year! 🎊🎊🎊
Happy New Year 🎉
The last video of the year from you. Here's to more videos in 2025!! Have enjoyed your theories and analyses ever since I discovered you.
I think “Peace” makes the most sense as the Tsaritsa’s ideal. It fits with Ice/Cryo as an element and is stated as her gift by Pierro in Lazzo. Plus her nation’s ideal being Peace would best justify her having squads of “diplomats” that are allowed to occupy the other nations.
I also think it’s brilliant that those diplomats are called Fools to show that they defy Logic.
I know its unrelated to the video but i just did the Citlali quest and I need to write something somwhere or I go crazy (no spoilers). Why do I feel like Citlali has something in common with Fuli the Remembrance (conceptually)
Happy New Year!
I wonder if the Tsaritsa is actually dead and it's just Pierro controlling everything.
The music choices in this video were particularly good.
thanks for your hard work!
I'm desperate to know your thoughts on if/how the moon sisters were usurped, as I've been pulling my hair trying to untangle the relationship between the moons, the angels, the dragons, and what all celestia has stolen/repurposed/recycled. happy new year!
Super excited for 5.3. soooo soon and it's going to be insane
BRO THE WAY YOU PRONOUNCE ZANDIQ IS SO CLEANNNNN
Following on from the Tsaritsa Herrscher of Reason being a Descender thought - I think there's potential for a Void Archives variant as Descender (and it might be Traveler) since VA was made using the Herrscher of Reason's core. Genshin's alchemy has swapped red and yellow, so that the final goal is yellow. Descender's I feel are kinda comparable to philosopher's stones as they are both one of the end results of alchemy (assuming that's Rhinedottir's goal), and VA is essentially just a yellow philosopher's stone that gained a human body. I think this idea also fits well with Flowers for Princess Fischl and what it says about Zarathustra too
Starting the year off with some peak
You deserve more subs :)
You know after what you said, there is some possibility that paimon is actually the shade of life transformed. Asmodai still being the shade of space. Thats my newest tinfoil theory for 2025.
Given her personality, embracing of foodstuffs, treasure seeking, seelie like guidance paradigms.
The angels being an creation of one or more of the shades also makes a lot of sense. That way we have angels of death, angels of life, angels of space and angels of time. All having been transformed by the second who came's grievous attack on the primordial one's dynasty.
Also given power levels and what can overide what in teyvat, the shades were not transformed or changed from what we have learnt so the transformative action on the seelies was done by something only AT the same power level as a shade, not above them.
I like your idea but at the same time, it feels odd for the Shade of Life to be with the Traveler. Paimon can't really be Istaroth since both have difference Demon Names... It's hard to tell. She might be the Shade of Life.
I thought this too I didn’t think anyone else would 😂, maybe that’s why they didn’t give shade of life demon name
Life and death basically two different concepts, connected by the thing called logic , so yeah i can feel ur theory sumwhat reliable in future
11:36 don't forgot that Yanagi, Acheron, and Raiden Shogun all share the same CN VA too
Happy New Year everyone. Good luck with everything you plan to do.
I hope we get to see a version Owl and Ana Schariac in Snezhnaya. Possibly together and happy.
20:43 u need to go see how one of them looks like in the new achon quest + capitano is him
this has nothing to do with the topic of the video but I just wanna say I've been watching your videos for 2 years now and I'm glad you are letting more of your personality shine through and it has certainly made the video more enjoyable
Happy new year 🎉🎉🎉2025
@10:00 i believe the Tsaritsa is the goddess of love, still, but I think that love has changed into a sort of Vengeance.
The reason you think that is purely based on overall player base perception. We actually have no reason to believe "Love" is her ideal. Virtue makes much more sense given the context described in the timestamp you provided.
@@GitGud-y9b The reason I believe that is because Dainsleif called her the god of love at the very beginning.
@@tycopsyche Quote exactly what Dainsleif says, because he sure as hell does not confirm Bronya as the 'God of Love'.
The Tsaritsa is literally labelled Bronya in the game files but her ideal is still unknown.
@@NatureWatcher343 In the Travail trailer, when Dainsleif outlines each act, the writers placed each god's ideal within the first sentence or two. In order, it goes:
Freedom, Contracts, Eternity, Wisdom, Justice, War, and Love with no love left for her people.
@@tycopsyche Yeah, except with those other ones he actually confirms the Ideal. When it comes to the Tsaritsa, Dain isn't saying she is the God of Love, he is simply saying she had no love for her people. You did not even provide the quote because when you saw it I bet you realized that you were wrong.
That Citlali summoning shrine at the end is so funny
It's all fine but it does not explain why the Descenders are in this world at all and not why the Fatui needs them either. Why are they interested in Teyvat at all
Aether and Lumine showed up by mistake (as far as we know), PO invaded the Dragons, Second Who Came had beef with the PO. The only mysterious one is the Third.
@@ShirouE But I understand that but that is not the story they are going to go for. Lumine did not just accidentally wonjder into Khaenri'ah. Something pulled them into that world something about heaven and hell and is the reason why the archons have demon god names. But I don't fully understand how everything ties together.
As far as I understand the siblings are connected to dragons because dragons are stars in chinese mythology and Lumine and Aether are called fallen stars/descenders. But they must have fallen from somewhere and it should be connected to the Gnosis
I think Arlecchino is supposed to be represented by the "Hell" version because her name is Cinder of two worlds and her deformed paris also look like demonic influences she could be the reset button and born with that curse for that reason. It looks like she has primogem symbol eyes that has been crossed out possibly as a punishment for what her descendants did during the Crimson Moon Dynasty
@@alexanderericson8628 I'll have to go back and look for direct text but weren't the twins summoned by Khaenriah? They "responded to the summoning". Based on the info we've gotten, my personal theory is that King Irmin was trying to summon descenders that would help maybe overthrow Celestia (or something else of that magnitude). They had an entire orphanage for people that were not from Teyvat after all.
@@wiseathena97 My interpretation is that Teyvat responds to the siblings world the same way Simulanka does to Teyvat, and I think that is what Alice essentially wants to show
Wdym they showed up by mistake? They were summoned here
Happy new yea....... also cryo will bring an iceage to tayvat/a reset of the "motherboard" wich brings me to the the time bro/sis said "when you reach the end of your journey"
Happy new year! Personally I also very much believe that the demiurge is meant to be a variant of kevin!
Fyi If you read my last theory I left for you on your last video. Here is another one for you. The Goddess of Life was known as Selene the Goddess of the Flowering Moons. She devided herself into three parts, One is now dead the shattered moon, the second died but cloned themselves and that is Nehida, and lastly the Third is still in Celestia as the last operator. They are all based on The Kiana clone Theresa, who has the weapon selens Elegy in HI3rd. Lastly along those lines Tribbie gave this all away in the Starrails newest video that outlines Tyvat greek of Amphereus
Yo hear me out crazy theory since the Tsaritsa is the Cryo Archon known for love what if her true love was the third descender it would really elevate the story and make it seem her beef with celestia is personal asf 😅
10:27 no I don't
Wait did you mean because Bronya is the Hercher of reason?
I won't be surprised if this goes down similar to how Nezarec was resurrected in Destiny 2, except that the descender being resurrected will go berserk we have to stop it.
My last videa of 2024! See you all next year hehe
I don't even think PO is even in Teyvat rn "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come." so PO may have lost to the SWC and now Celestia is being run by a bunch of imposters, it certainly explains a lot of things.
Happy new year everyone ❤
Are we not gonna mention the fact that in the beta version in Childe's vision story the name Tsaritsa isn't even mentioned and instead he refers to the cryo archon as BRONYA?!
Happy New Year everybody
Happy new year everyone.
Honestly if the solar king and lunar queen thing turns out to be true, I will be all for it. I just really hope they make the full PO truly androgynous (And no, fucking Araya from GGZ is not androgynous. She is as cute anime girl, waifu, and neckbeard-bait as they come).
Variation is even the canonicly more acurate term in lore
1:45 alhaitam and his litle dance
For some reason I'm not really into 3rd descender resurrection plan, (probably likely according to the people, but I just never really consider it to be in that way) clearly because there's Natlan and its theme.
Actually you know what, it is likely, but I have a completely different concept for its ressurection, all I'm saying is Tsaritsa definitely had been cooking so well and had it for so long that it becames cold. Pierro seeing Tsaritsa after his king/sages foolishly almost obliterating Teyvat is totally for a reason. And the fact that, for any reason, Cryo characters' burst image having chess pieces around it (allegedly gnoses but don't look like the ones that Archons have) compared to the other elements burst that's basically just an indifferent expression of their elements, we can say that she's 'just' collecting the gnoses but, is it? 🤔Or as people say, it might be related to the shattered halberd.
Which is actually, ok-, I used to think that Divine Halberds are Descenders (the way in the book it also fell off like a meteor which reminds me of the travelers) which fits again but, I might have things so specific in mind how it would work out but maybe, not rly in the way that it would be about this one resurrection (of the 3rd Decender), but is it definitely related to the 'resurrection'? Yes.
Also, I always think that the descenders after PO were coming from, PO themselves 😶(or 'made' similarly like them, from who knows) (technically could be from whoever this 'god king' is)
Because:
1. Judging by PO's attitude towards them
2. Ok, how do I put it, the fact that it was a 'war of vengeance' and I kinda try to suggest that our traveler, who's now known as 'chosen of dragons', that has 'draconic' powers, might not be just 'the fourth' in this case... But actually idk if i want to play into that necessarily,
But, when you compared contramundi to Nibelung and PO in Remuria quest (which is rly clever), I actually have similar concept but with Boethius. So maybe these guys were 'friends' before, but their covenants not exactly turned out like what they had planned, because of unexpected cause, that most of them in a form of betrayals (or misunderstanding). And.. and now I'm thinking about contract, and-
Actually wanted to add something, that I think it was kinda 'needed' for other descenders to 'break' the world made by the first bc, reasons. I forgot if i have something to quote or not from the game so i can't rly explain it rn
Has any theory based on HI3 stuff or HSR stuff ever turned out to be useful?
As always well cooked 👌
I think they hint at the plan of the tsaritsa will only half work but the abyssal twin will work but in the end we will definitely fight dinslif and save the twin . If im not mistaken ?
If theres anything that we’ve learned from natlan, nothing from the past matters! This new weiting team has like scrapped everything so who knows whats going to happen now.
Regarding your statement in 21:00, abt Sirin and Kiana having the same ancestor. Is that accurate? I didn't knew that. We know that K-423 is the mix of genes of OG Kiana and Sirin. But does Sirin herself a descendant of the Kaslanas?
I am using 'Common Ancestor' in a design sense not an actual biological or genetic sense. When I say "Sirin and Asmoday share a Common Ancestor in Kiana" I mean the following:-
Both Sirin and Asmoday are different iterations of the 'Kiana Character Concept' or 'Kiana Design' and, therefore, both would not exist without the original Kiana from Fly Me 2 The Moon.
@DragonMJE
Got it. Tnx!
The first thing that comes to mind when the name Sirin being mentioned is the purple haired one who is the original Sirin so I was confused at first.
Traveler is destined to destroy Evil "Heavenly Principles" in Celestia
there is no king of heaven, but now they will be, but is obvious that tsaritsa wants to be that god king and she wants to use the gnosis to become a descender like Rene but Aether is the true descender
I don't even play Honkai and I'd be super hype if the shades were all versions of Kiana. I don't see the Tsaritsa trying to bring back the 3rd Descender either, just because Shattered Halberd says the sword was split into 9 pieces and that feels too much like a gnosis reference. There would be 2 other pieces, making that goal impossible. Also, the weakened PO having a failsafe against the third descender makes sense.
All Herrscher's/Shades are Shadows of the Finality/Primordial One
I'll watch this again after the AQ
Plot-twist: the tsaritsa is just welt in his idol form.
I mean technically, he still possesses the power of reason right?
Great video to end 2024.
For a year now i really wanted 4 Shades to be Sirin, Sirin(KianaHoV), Durandal and actual Kiana, but i thought it was way too crazy because no matter how much Genshin likes honkai, there was no way
Then they make fkin Phainon and yea u know what WHY NOT
WHY NOT DO THAT
COME AT ME I WILL COLELCT ALL THE CUTE KIANAS
Did you just call seele zela?
Anyway happy new year
see you next year!
The whole video being chaptered as "Introduction" gives me a sense of bad omen. How long will the *actual* discussion be if THIS is the intro? 😂
Last lore video of the big 24💔💔
I cant wait to get past natlan
last video of 2024💔
Would be crazy if the King of logic was a Male Bronya, but looking at amphoreus, it will probably be Kevin alter.
Wait... This is the first video i watched in 2025! 🎉🎉
I think the Tsaritsa was, if she isn't the og Cryo Archon, the wife of og Cryo Archon. I call him "The Tsar". She was the goddess of love until the Tsar was killed in the Cataclysm and her heart is broken.
I highly doubt that. There are way too many losers playing this game who will REFUSE to pull for a character if they are remotely in any romantic relationship with anyone other than the Traveler.
Hiii
Sub 30 secs comment... Damn (I see you on every video)
@DragonMJE your videos are always really interesting and Im always really excited to see what theories people come up with and also the reasons behind it and all so I always try to watch the video the moment someone uploads it( I hope that makes sense)
Bro saw what Star rail Kevin is called as 😬
I’m gonna laugh if after the Third Descender is Revived they decide NOT to help the Fatui and instead join forces with the Fourth Descender or make a Counter Proposal that uniquely appeals to the Fourth Descender’s ideals…
my take is that I understand nothing and love everything
scara isnt a version of EI
nor is acheron
and nor is EI a ver of Mei
With the tone he puts into the videos i don't feel like watching a video about lore, it's more like going to a "weird" mass where phanes is worshipped or something 😅
there has been a movement in the fandom (for a while now, actually) to stop using expy and to use variant/variation/iteration/counterpart/etc instead! hoyostans, one of the early adopters of expy, has gone out of their way to try to correct the misuse of the expy term to describe how hoyoverse uses and developers characters. it's probably best to use variation more than expy despite it being the more well-known term because it'd help expose the fandom to the correct term and help shift the fandom's vocabulary ^^
There is actually an Official term that have came out for a while now(From Denfaminoco's Interview of Honkai's writer), but I still can't imagine people try using the word "Parallel Isotype" in every conversation xD that involve talking about iteration of character.
@@tseiny8761 yeah and it has even been used in-game in HSR (the phenomenon is "parallelistic spacetime isotype") but it's played off for laughs in-universe as some internet theory. I don't remember when the interview came out relative to the usage in-game, though. The game introduced it during the heliobus event ^^
I love you man 😂
Bro can say عين
Or the is opposite is true as well hold I think I on to something here