Arsenal Fan Says Smith Rowe Is Better Than Grealish | Agree To Disagree |
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2021
- We're putting football rivalries head-to-head in the ultimate debate show. In this episode, Man City fan Big Steve goes up against the don of AFTV, Robbie Lyle.
Will Man City ever be as big as Arsenal?
Would any Arsenal players make it into Man City’s team?
Did Man City buy their success?
With thanks to Robbie ( • Tottenham v Liverpool ... ) and Big Steve ( / bigstevemcfc )
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“If Manchester City Draw 38 games we are invincible and Relegated” had me DEAD
🤣🤣🤣
it’s facts tho😂😂😂
@@kvngafrica if my nan had balls she would have been my grandad
@@matts6816 congratulations
arsenal were invicible and won the title. So there's a huge difference.
Says “Arsenal fan” as if we don’t know who this guy is.
No respect for the DON
the DON
yeah he isn’t an arsenal fan if he uploads people abusing their own players on his channel
The Don showing his humble side for the general public once again. Has his family name on screen, while the random guy gets to be called "Big Steve". They say a true king isnt the one who punishes a lot, but the one that pardons people.
don robbie and big steve know each other well lol
Steve is proply the most awesome footballfan in the world. Seriously.. How easy would it be to be a United fan in the 90s? But stand behind his small team City and now gets the all the benefits of staying true and loyal.
That Grealish debate aged well
Nice champions league final he had…👀
@@wizzlurkio2669 still bigger than assna \
@@wizzlurkio2669 Nice champions league trophy he has
Grealish is obviously better than Smith Row. But at the time this debate was had, Grealish wasn’t getting played very much and Smith Row was on form starting a lot. But now, Grealish steeped up a lot and is better than Smith Row
Everyone hating on grealish but forgetting rodri and cancelo took time to get use to the system…now they both are beast
First time Rodri n cancelo in prem
Exactly, doesn’t matter where u last played from, it’s about the fact that someone is adapting to a new system
It's not like Grealish wasn't playing in the Prem before he went to City.
Esr has been way better than him this season. There's no debate there
@@vanillaoverchocolate5440 It's not that Rodri, Cancelo, Silva etc didn't play in the prem before it's that Pep's system is drastically different to others for example Mahrez played in the prem with Leicester for years and he didn't have the greatest debut season for Man city Grealish is coming from a team where the strategy was pass to Grealish and inshallah within time Grealish will get going
So they paid 100 mil for a player so he Can be good in 1-2 years😂😂😂
Strange how club fans who are not winning cling to the "history" while the teams that are winning are creating it
My thoughts exactly
Current day success eventually will become history.
true
Ikr, history starts somewhere
so true
When big Steve mentioned his journey as a city fan 😭💙 that was it for me. Man won the entire debate with that part. It was emotional and shows exactly what it takes for fans to do absolutely everything to follow their club
Respect To the Legend Big Steve
You had no fans in 08, as soon as you get money suddenly all these fans come out the woodwork
@@ahoy96 did u support ur team back in 1912?? no? u plastic
@@maxxfaxx5408 right that's realistic you cardboard box
@@ahoy96 living in a fantasy land you twat
@@ahoy96back in 08 I was a kid, I found a club that I liked not because of trophies, but because it felt interesting and special to me, so I got more invested in it and I’ve been a city fan for almost 10 years now
"Hey steve champions again, thanks man, Robbie big club again man thanks man" That had me dead
I agree with the fact that Arsenal is currently a bigger club in comparison to city. But its ignorant to say that City will NEVER be bigger or as big as arsenal. The history argument is true, but if city consistently win trophies or more trophies than arsenal for years to come, the stature of the club will be similar to Arsenal. History has to start somewhere. Ask this question in 10-20 years from now.
But then ignoring the fact that arsenal still can win trophies, also the whole argument of a bigger club isn’t down to trophies, it also relies on fans, and clearly arsenal will always top Man City. You also have to take into account pep won’t be there forever, and finding a replacement will be hard, similar to United or Chelsea’s situation. Also in 10-20 years I would expect oil sales to be low, leading their owner to leave the club, basing this of the fact that most cars will become electric.
Also you have to realise history will always be there, in 10 odd years Man City have let’s say 35 trophies, they currently have 28. Arsenal have 48 let’s say they win fa cups and europa leagues and whatever, 52 let’s say. They will still remain a bigger club than city, this also doesn’t mention the fact that Pep has 2 more seasons left in his contract, after that who is replacing him.
“history has to start somewhere” 👌
Arsenal have been around for much longer. You can’t be a big club by spending 300m every season. No one will respect you
@@jstnio its alright mate elon musk will take ever😂👍np
*This season? Yes Smith-Rowe has been better than Grealish. That’s a fact.*
i agree, city fan.
yh he has but grealish doesnt get into citys strongest XI
Just cause he’s been better so far this season doesn’t make him a better player all together
No way near 👎🤣
@@kevingreaves5850 No one is saying that he is a better player to Grealish, all round. Grealish has been around the block a lot longer, so his game has matured much more, but Smith Rowe is still at the infancy stage of his senior career. So it will be unfair at this stage to compare them. However, on current form and when you consider the teams that they each play for, Smith Rowe is doing a lot better at the moment.
To all the Man City haters - ‘The past was yours but the future’s ours’.
💯💯💙💙💙
Now you're getting relegated
@@relaxingmusic2924 we dont really care CTID
@@opo7968 yeah you do, you'll be chanting for chelsea next summer
@@xallog2891 haha thats a good one, been supporting them for 11 years, I don't think someone like that will get me to support another club
Steve explaining his fan journey was honestly incredible 🫡
one thing pep should learn is that the longer he stays at city the harder it will be to find a suitable replacement
The problem is any manager city brings in after pep is a downgrade and we can't runaway from that
@@comfortmwansambo2318 Yep,, unless it's Zidane lol.
Nah, I think Pep is even better. His man-management skills are literally a player-upgrade machine for free his is magic. Would anyone ever say 4 years ago that players like Bernado, Sterling and Foden would be dominating the League?!
Why would he want to leave?
@@TheBrass18 he might leave at the end of the season
How? Pep hasn't won the champions league... He is literally winning everything previous mangers won
when the city fan talked about his journey i had some type of feeling, made me have tremendous respect for city fans and i continue to wish on y’all’s success 🙏🏽
Respect matey… CTID
@@thomaswhite942 truth :)
Yea the real city fans of course
Yeah all 25 of them #respect #fakeclub
Ur not even from The uk 😂😂 USA fans are always bandwagon fans to the club whos winning 😂😂😂
The Arsenal Invincibles was a great team but the Centurions had the most points ever, the most wins ever, and the most goals ever and then went on the next season to get 98 points. I will take the Centurions for those reasons.
The Centurions is a great footballing achievement. The Invincible's are a great sporting achievement. Going a whole league tournament without an off day?
@@minorears5205 oh absolutely. Being unbeaten is an amazing feat. But I think the city team is better . To have 198 points in two seasons is quite incredible.
facts
Technically yes, but the invincibles did that against Fergies Man Utd and that counts for something
@@user-hw6zh1tp5b well that's true but let's not forget that the following season, the Centurions went against a Liverpool team that had 97 points and won the Champions League.
People don’t realise Aston Villa built their team around Grealish and was their focal point in attack. Now at city he’s just another player in a different system. He needs time to get used to this.
I do agree with you but it doesn't change the fact that esr has been playing better than grealish this season. And yes it is gonna take him time to adapt to city but smith rowe is 21 and is playing better.
He cost 100 million because to Aston Villa he was worth that much. To everyone else that was overpriced but to Villa it was worth it
@@Ashley-iz9iy
The reason why we set that price was to deter clubs away from trying to buy him, but city were like meh that's nothing to us 😆🤣
Called it 🍾
And look how it turned out, great prediction
My man asked why smith Rowe didn’t turn up against city when we played 5 back with 10 men and had an atrocious defense with kolasinac at Center back 😂😂
😂
LOOOOOL it was technically 9 men coz Auba too 😭😭
I know, Arteta should have been sacked for that alone.
We got no standards (management I mean), happy with spending £150mn on 5th?? What a joke!!
@@netweed09 gabriel and white couldn't play or saka
@@netweed09 and were 4th and 150 mil is making up for the years were we spent fuck all. And 150 mil is about average for a big club
As a gooner, with the first question, the history argument doesn’t really make sense because if city keep winning things like they are now, in 25 years, their “history” would be now
By that logic Brentford are massive, because in 25 years time their history could encompass 12 prem titles that they could win between not and then.
Granted City are much more likely to win a lot in that time frame, but you take my point.
If in 25 years time that is the case, then fair enough, until then 😐
@@samwize28 doesnt need 25 years, say they win 2 more titles and 2 champions lesgue in the next 5-10 years. u can already make a legitimate argument thry are bigger since arsenal achieved nothing in europe yet (and dont look like they will any time soon)
I thought the same thing in 20 ish years if city keep on the run they on, their " history" would be better than arsenal
It's not 25 years from now, it's 2021. People seem to think we started winning during the Wenger years smh
Yes but in the future, today will be the past hence the "HISTORY" part. And the question was city will NEVER be as big as arsenal and who are we to say that won't be the case in 20 years especially if city keeps winning everything
Robbie didn’t want to answer the Wenger question the way he truly wanted to. He was one of the main one’s who drove him out of the club
I highly doubt someone on UA-cam drove an arsenal manager out arsenal football club do not have a fuck about them 💀
If arsenal got better after he left and won a league or something it be different. But they were saying how shit he was and how he was ruining the club then he left and they got worse. So they weren’t vendicated on their opinion they were proven wrong
@@sub2me976 the aftv movement defo was a part to blame they are toxic
@@gregordrizzlewing7339 Bro, Wenger had to go. They are not toxic, they did the team a favour. Look at what Arteta is up to now. That is the future.
Big Steve is a genius. Talking nothing but facts and being hilarious wit it 😂
As a Liverpool fan, I’ve nothing but respect for this City fan
@ClippedCam facts
Can’t remember asking tho😧
Nobody cares you support Liverpool stop looking for approval weirdo
@ClippedCam Liverpool fc bigger than both these clubs put together
@ClippedCam will
This 'if you draw 38 games you get relegated' argument is so stupid. People make out as if the Invinvibles drew all their games and got an award for it. No. They *won the league* and went unbeaten
Honestly it makes me know peoples football brain when they say that
With 90 points aswell
@@alex_ander-22- would come 3rd nowadays
@@inquisitorsneed2 prime barca will destroy man city whats your point?
@@franzralphuy6826 my point is their points tally was average the year they went invincible, there has been atleast 4 other better premier league teams
Seeing Robbie compare jack to ems after the treble is so funny 😂
Hell yeah😂😂😂
"Manchester City will never be as big a club as Arsenal" - Accomplished in 10/06/2023.
It wasn't but ye are closing in for 3rd
The invincible trophy wasnt tiny that was just Arsene Wengers leaving present
left a decade later LMAO
Yes, the real one is in the Marble Halls at the Emirates of course.
I remember when Arsenal being 4th was a meme and now it's a dream.
Chelsea celebrating 4th place last season yet meted arsenal years before for getting 4th constantly
Whilst currently sitting in 4th, hardly
all clubs have have their up's and down's...good periods, periods of decline and periods of rebuilding. That's the life of a football club. It all becomes relative.
We’re not a banter club anymore
@@j1hogz14 they celebrated winning the champions league something arsenal can’t achieve
This was so good. Love the passion of both of you in the last two questions. That made this video. Thank you both
Treble life a year later I want this debate agian😂
I’d actually say Smith Rowe over Grealish based on current form this year. Think we all need to chill out about Grealish at the min.
Still doesn’t start for Man City
@@Hakwbebsu26 and mahrez doesn’t start for man city yet he’s world class? it’s all down to pep and his weird mind, the better player does not always start
@@ahmed9472 Mahrez does start though. He’s rested for the arsenal game
@@Hakwbebsu26 trust me mahrez has hardly started this season
@@milesbloomer4072 most goals and assists for city this season
1. Arsenal are bigger now but city fan base is growing everyday so “will never be bigger” is false imo
2. Considering how much pep rotates the squad I agree with Robbie saka, smith Rowe and even tomyasu could be in the mix. Zinchenko gets games for city so could tomyasu.
3. Invincibles is very impressive it’s actually very disappointing that so many people try to pretend that it isn’t just because arsenal fans harp on about it. Wenger still had 90 points that season so the whole “38 draws and relegated” point is redundant and silly tbh
Agree. Don’t care what anyone says, Saka gets into 99% of the Prem teams idc
Smith Rowe doesn't get in
86 points
@@HarryKanee our top scorer and hes come off the bench in the last few games. He made his prem debut last boxing day right after we went 3 months without a win and we beat chelsea and suddenly start winning. SInce then weve gotten the second most points in the league. So yeah he deffo gets in over someone whos got 6 less prem goal contributions while playing for the best current club in the world.
Until city win more Premier leagues and fa cups than arsenal they will be regarded as smaller
I’m not a city fan but I can understand city fans not giving a balls about people calling them an oil club, especially by fans who don’t actually attend games and are watching from Ireland or Malaysia. They don’t understand the highs and lows of actually following a team. You can turn off the tv and forget about it, it’s not the same as lads traveling across the country and getting battered 4-0 who then have to travel all the way back with that in their head. Football isn’t a tv show, but they don’t understand that sitting in their couch commenting “No fans” over and over on city posts
We don’t care because like the guy said in the video, we would rather have the money and the trophies than no money and no trophies. And fans of every single club in the prem would be just fine with their club doing the same
i hate the fact that any time someone starts talking about man city it’s about the fact that they’re not a bigger club. that means nothing. it’s not a museum. it’s sport. your either winning and making history or you’re losing and becoming history. not the same thing
Trust me man🤣🤣
"making history" you contradicted yourself.
@@jamesritchie3562 nope. cause meanwhile while united fans talk about all they’ve done, they aren’t doing shit now. only thing you can bring up is our past, can’t talk about what’s going on now.
@@kvngafrica The size of a club is based on the history and what's been achieved. It does mean something. You said it doesn't. And then you said, your now making history, well what does that matter? If the size of your club doesn't matter. Makes no sense.
@@jamesritchie3562 no that’s not what i said. i said that the only argument as to what is happening in city right now is “we have history,” when that pertains to nothing in the conversation. who cares what you used to do. it’s not about “we’ve had our team for longer, we’ve been in the prem longer, you were in the championship when we were winning.” okay, what are you doing now?
Don't you ever refer to Don Robbie as "ARSENAL FAN." He eclipses your entire channel. Put some respect on that name.
Ok fanboy
Exactly
@@quazimoydothehedgehog6219 🧂
Factual
@@carter3369 What's that make you then?
Steve hit the nail on the head with one comment
“I wouldn’t swap any other football journey for the one we’ve been on”
Spot on! It’s been incredible.From York City to Real Madrid,it’s been a hell of a ride
But you only done it for five minutes why do you think most Liverpool fans Arsenal fans are happy when you beat Man united your club isn't hated yet because you haven't built any animosity will take you another decade to catch up to our trophies.
@@DUBSDADEVILL at the rate they are going though they will have more than Man U in less than 10 years
Thats true but a bit far from the actual question.
@@DUBSDADEVILL our club isn’t hated? Our club gets bantered every second of every minute mate, no rival fan can deal with how good of a team we are. Every rival fans hates city and it’s clear to see
@꧄𒈙𒁏𒀰𒌧𒌧𒈙t𒀱꧄𒀰꧄𒈙꧄𒈙꧄𒈙𒈙𒀰𒀰𒈙꧄꧄𒈙𒁏𒀰𒌧𒌧𒈙t𒀱꧄𒀰꧄𒈙꧄𒈙꧄𒈙𒈙𒀰𒀰𒈙꧄ are you sure? If city won the league for the next 12 years every year they would still have less titles than united 😂😂😂
To do what City did and get 100 points is far more impressive, especially with the likes of Liverpool getting 90+ points in the season as well. When you're going out to win every game, you will inevitably lose one or two in the process. Arsenal setting up to not get beat used to work in the prem but fact of the matter is, they wouldn't have even won the league in the modern era due to not getting enough points.
hell nah it was a two horse race in 2019 and the league is far less competitive in terms of quality of teams today as it was in 2004. Back when United, Arsenal, Liverpool were all top class in Europe. Centurion has been repeated before in other leagues but NEVER an invincible season just shows how much harder it is to achieve
The quality of the top 3 has gotten worse yes but the overall quality of the Premier League is greatly improved. Arguably, the majority of teams have at least a couple of star players that could play for a big six side, something that definitely wasn't the case back then.
I'd also argue back when Arsenal were competing for the title, it was only really them and United. Now you have City, Chelsea, Liverpool all genuine contenders from the start.
They got 90 points which is very good for the time. And times matter cause there wasnt the same disparity between the top teams. Its reasonable to prefer centurions, but dismissing the invincibles is mental. That team won 2 leagues in 4 years and was 2nd in the other 2. In terms of individual player quality Man United was ahead of everyone in that time.
@@shayanmonabbati5332 bro many teams have been invincibles in other leagues stop lying?
Man City fan spitting facts about almost everything
He capped so hard on city not buying their success. If that is not buying success then I don’t what is
@@d.s5508 Name a club that hasn't bought their success in at least the last 12 years tho?
@@fussysaur liverpool
@@spencerbrown1581 didn't win a single trophy until they spent 150 million on van dijk and alisson, a world record fee for a defender AND a world record fee for a goalkeeper
@@fussysaur which we did from selling coutinho that gave us the money to buy virgil and ali city spent 2 billion in the space of 5 years
Do people forget that it wasn’t just 38 games unbeaten? it was 49… literally went almost half way into the next season. The disrespect is insane.
It wasn’t arsenals best team ever, probably 3rd or 4th
@@seancarroll5803 Probably would put Tony Adams, David Seaman, and Emmanuel Petit in that team
you lot got knockedout of every competition and had lucky draws after lucky draws... overrated asf.
Nathan, two champions leagues and so much disrespect.
@@melvyn.871 that team now wouldn’t even win the league, let alone go unbeaten
Emile Smith-Rowe doesn’t even start for Arsenal how does this man have the audacity to say he’d start for Man City 😭
he would though
@@jollof4life562 nah. Start ahead of who?? Sterling? Foden, Grealish? At the moment in time even Grealish does not get it in
@@sihledludla9134 Grealish isn’t the number one left wing option at city anyway, it’s Foden. Smith Rowe doesn’t get in over foden so end of debate
@@ariahashemi7937 true
@@ariahashemi7937 it’s Sterling. Foden’s been playing CF more as of right now
“We’ve been in the mud”… facts. I love city dude
I expected Don Robbie to make solid arguments but no... same mantra as a 12 yr old troll. And you know the sad thing is? Deep down, he knows the only way Arsenal to become top dog in the premier league again is to become oil club, hence they will buy their success in Don Robbie's words.
ive been a city fan my whole life and i consider myself passionate but compitant, grealish has lacked skill but he hasnt played much and like robbie said, emille has been better this season which is just factual, same with saka they both have perfomed well.
From an Arsenal fan we both can agree that the only thing mising for both clubs is the champions league trophy. We just cant digest why both clubs in their prime just didnt & dont have the ability to win it. Mind blowing 🔴⚪️
Because they don't have leaders such as Gerrard Lampard or Ferdinand
@@Stev4e897 Tony Adams?
@@Stev4e897 Kompany
@@Stev4e897 ur chatting out your arse
Exactly
The grealish obsession from opposition fans is hilarious 😂 Jack's doing just fine, he's finding his place in a new system, I think you're going to see a mahrez like progression with him
Yet the fact remains a 21 year old is playing much better
Mahrez looks better now but he’s output is still pretty similar to when he first came
Jacks output is nonexistent
@@AM-lj9vl he’s playing better then messi so messi Kane
The disrespect on Grealish is just ridiculous. This always happens when an English player joins Man City - the country turns on him. Same thing with Sterling. We all know that Grealish just needs time to understand Pep's system, which usually takes about a year for all players (Gundogan, Sane, Benardo, Mahrez, Rodri, Cancelo). But Jack Grealish will be moonwalking with his big calves to his first EPL winners medal, meanwhile ESR may never get that no matter how well he performs at Arsenal
Pep is running grealish, why sign grealish and coach his strengths out of him? He's wasted at city.... And will probsbly score 20 tapins next season.... City never needed grealish and I hope he wakes up and leaves that tourist club soon.
city did have a history before they were taken over they had league title a european cup winners cup ect so to say they have no history is incorrect. yes they arent successful as arsenal are in history but citys dominant history is being made now. city are 6 league titles behind arsenal and how long will that be till they catch that one up.
in terms of citys spending arsenal have spent money over the years even when they were successful they were paying the biggest wages in the early 2000s so no successfull football club win trophies consistently without investment. plus arsenal have spent money in recent years theyve just spent it badly look at the 72 million on pepe.
in terms of arsenals invincibles thats all they seem to cling on to because they havent won a league since and seem to only have that arguement in recent years.
i been a season ticket since 93 and tbh i agree with steve here i wouldnt change my journey for anyone because it makes me appreciate the current success the club are having right now beause when you have really been down in the mud you appreciate the things more..... arsenal are currently holding onto there previous successes and can sometimes be blinded by that which means they cant then see that there current team arent there anymore and are lets be honest a bit behind city in the current climate.
Good video, differing points of view which was always gonna be the case but interesting to hear from both sides
Smith Rowe has been far better than Grealish this season
SAy it louder pls
You’ve already lost the real argument if your arguing that ONE player could MAYBE get in City’s rotation. Lol. Key word, rotation. Grealish wouldn’t start himself if Pep picked his best possible team.
@@benhaney9629 not maybe, he would
Not forgetting Foden
@@benhaney9629 City spent £100m on Grealish, Smith-Rowe would have to cost them £125m thats the argument. CIty will be pathetic enough to spend over £100m on a rotation player again thats for sure. Does anyone at Cuty know anything about football or just buy the player the press talk about most. City in no different class than the Chinese clubs
i'm an arsenal fan but i think as football fans we have to stop with the "city bought trophies thing" because if the president id willing to spend that's good. if we continue in that logic so real madrid bought their trophies also... so yeah that's my point of view
I totally agree. No fan protests when his club buys a great player for a large sum. However, there should be stricter limits on the amount spent on players. Otherwise, the sport becomes a farce.
These days almost every league title was bought!! It's very rare you get a story like the class of 1992, La Masia graduates, Leicester underdogs
Juventus/Bayern spend the most and 9/10 times they win the league in recent years
Real Madrid built a big fanbase and they sre global like united but city is a small club relied on oil money not revenue not fanbase not merchandise and not deals
@@ripswish8064 Some 15 yrs ago no English club had a global fanbase. All this madness started with the advancement of technology and the commercialization of clubs. ManCity has embarked on a path that has been cleared by other clubs. We will see where they will go in 10 years. However, between us, the number of shirts sold in China does not prove the club's class.
This aged well 🤣🤣🤣
like milk
If it wasn't for City, Chelsea would've had an invincible season as well, Chelsea only lost 1 game in 2004/05 season, it was a 1-0 defeat to...... Manchester City at The City of Manchester stadium.
Nicolas Anelka, What a guy.
City also prevented 2019 Liverpool from an invincible season, would’ve won the league and finished with 98 or 100 points
@@trentrowan3635 Liverpool and Manchester United prevented Man City in their Centurion season, we would've ended with 102-106 if we could've just not lost in both of those games
Rodri, Cancelo, Sane… are just a few players who struggled in their first season give Grealish time
Bernardo Silva as well
Mahrez
Rodri didn’t really struggle cancelo just didn’t play much and sane I’ll agree wi ya
@@nbu692 why do you think cancelo didn’t play much… because he struggled
@@joehawkes1514 fair enough but from what I saw of him when he played he was good
Just seen the Wenger documentary and Ferguson said the invincibles stands above all else including his 13 titles
Modesty. He lost less games the year he won the treble across all competitions than the Invincibles did.
Ferguson just being humble and respectful. He’s not gonna come out and say “my 99 treble side pisses all over him aye”
Ferguson also said Ji Sung Park marking Messi would’ve won him the champions league. Doesn’t mean everything he says is correct.
@@nish7203 Park one of the most underrated players in that era, ask Pirlo what his man marking skills were like
@@Jay-wm2im he said its his biggest regret not putting Park on him
the final speech WOW . nearly moved me to tears! amazing! there was so much passion that he was uninterrupted, looked at with admiration and was in total agreement in silence !
You can go invincible and get relegated, but you can't have 100 points and not win the league
Absolute love that passionate speech from Big Steve 💙
Man City bigger than Arsenal? 🤣🤣. Good joke!
good joke that is true
@@DaveyTheFloater behave
@@DaveyTheFloater looks like you just started watching football. No point to agree or disagree with you.
@@DaveyTheFloater Well it's true??
Arsenal are a bigger team than Man City. Man City is better at the moment due to the money
The Invincibles were great, but there are definitely several holes you can punch in their accomplishments. For one, look at the quality of the top 10 in 2003/2004 compared to the last 5 or 6 years. Chelsea and United finished 2nd and 3rd that season and neither cracked 80 points. Charlton, Bolton and Fulham all finished top 10, whereas in the previous season they finished 12th-18th. Another argument is that Arsenal dropped points in 12 games, that's basically a third of the gameweeks in which they failed to win. The Invincibles had a 68% win percentage. The Centurions and the 98 point title defending side meanwhile not only won 84% of their games, but broke nearly all the attacking records playing at a time when the top 10 is better quality than it was in the early 2000s. And yes, money is a big reason why their are more heavy hitters in the last 6 to 7 years than before.
any team can recreate the centurions, just get injected billions. no one can recreate what arsene wenger did in 03/04
Compare the players. Henry shits on Aguero. Vieria rapes all of City midfielder mega signings. Campbell is better than Kompany.
@@bigsteve8941 Anyone can repeat 100 points.Mate you need some help😂
city CAN be a bigger club, and i enphasise can because history is made in the present and if city keep doing them for the next however long that eventually go from recent history to former glory, this team is quite new and as long as it keeps growing it can eventually surpase these big teams.
This is whats needed man, i dont even care about football like that but its nice seeing fans from different clubs having genuine discussions about thieir teams and stuff
I'm a United fan and I actually disagree with the idea that City bought their trophies. They won the financial lottery yes but there was still never any guarantees. Their transfers up until Grealish had not been marquee in the truest sense of the word. They were mostly required and well suited. They've also built the foundation and academy and instilled the idea of success into the club for generations potentially. None of these things were guaranteed initially by having a rich owner.
Edit: People win the lottery every week and we know from history how that tends to go.
Exactly mate, you need the right people and the right plan or all the money will go down the drain. It's why Anzhi Makhachkala couldn't take over Russia and be good in Europe despite being able to get Eto'o and Roberto Carlos. They're now in the lower divisions in Russia
Don’t do drugs kids
Agree with your reasoning, but not the result. When they asked it I still say yes, because without the money they wouldn't be too of the log, but it's obviously not a guarantee, you still need hard work, good people working there etc, but it's the money that allowed that. & They've still don't more than chelsea with their money in only a little over half the time, in some ways copying arsenal & man u & others by building/ upgrading the training facilities, the stadium, & the surrounding area etc, what have chelsea fine with their money other than buy players & build a fancy lounge for Romans thieving friends to sit around after the game
@EKLAVYA PRATHABHA VARMA what are yu on abt not having a better team still win more than everyone else🤣🤣
Respect matey
@17:44 He put his heart and soul into that argument. That was solid.
Centurions is more impressive than Invincible’s. Both achievements are incredible don’t get me wrong, but 100 points is next level
No I disagree, the mentality to not be beat is insane, it's a bigger achievement in my book, but I feel the city side is better than that team was in the pitch & in a h2h, I'd favour them
@@kurtsudheim825 fair response. I do think avoiding defeat is impressive, but the points difference is huge. Fair point though mate
@@kurtsudheim825 People always talk about the mentality to not be beat, but what about the mentality to win game after game consecutively?
The longest winning streak the Invincibles managed in the league was 9. Man City won 18 straight league games that season, they won 14 straight the year after, they won 13 straight last season and already have 11 this season. Arsenal's run of 9 straight wins is extremely ordinary in comparison and has to be taken into consideration. Pep's City simply steamroll through seasons without dropping any points for months.
@@kurtsudheim825 The mentality of an ambitious team is to get most points, not draw 13
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” That’s a what happened to Arsène Wenger. He was a great manager but he should have know when to get out of the game at least move on before it caught up to him.
Well said!
17:48-19:40.
Made me emotional there, great speech.
People who say Grealish haven’t been good this season literally don’t watch the games, see the stats, and want to make an opinion lol he’s been playing really well just in a different side and pep is asking him to play in a different manner
I am in love with this series! Keep them coming!
This season... ESR is better than Grealish. Overall? Grealish is next level. However one of thems 21 and the other is 26, so take that into account please
@Azari he ain’t been want
‘Next level’ is a stretch. We’ll see how he does next season but for 100 million he hasn’t lived up to even half of it so far.
Still doesn’t start for Man City
Better overall, yes. Next level…nahh.
Grealish is next level 😂😂. He's a good player not great.
Should've been worded Smith-Rowe is currently "in better form" than Grealish. A lot of LW/AMs who aren't as talented as Jack are in better form currently.
Smith Rowe is overated I'd rather have grealish he's not better than mount and foden
Yeah either way it was pointless bringing up Grealish as he's not a starter for us anyway. ESR would have to get over his inspiration KDB for that 10 spot.
Robbie did say "this season". It's even in the start of the video. But clickbait titles gets views so....welp.
@@HarryKanee how u sayin esr is over rated you fool🤣🤣🤣🤣ur overrated you bambling dribbling muppet
I’m trusting ESR to bag goals
This is awesome please more of these types of videos.
Love it 😊
Proper big banter boys
It’s all a bit of fun
I hate city but the city fan was the only one speaking with facts and not being to biased towards his side.
That’s just not true
Spot on
City have spent an incredible amount of money and wouldn't be anywhere near where they are now without it. But i refuse to believe that if every club in the premiership was given that amount of money to spend over the period city have spent it for example, not many would reach the heights they have. Everton are a good example of why spending loads of money means does nothing if its not done correctly. United have spent plenty as well, and whilst they've still competed and europe and won a couple of trophies under mourinho, they are no where near to city. City have an incredible sructure to their club, great youth system with proven gems like foden, and have built legends in toure, silva, aguero and kompany. People can say "you bought it all" and yeh, too right they did. they've invested the money brilliantly, play the best football and win the biggest trophies. Had guardiola not bottled it in european games they would've won the UCL by now, which would've left no one to question his legacy, no that it should be considering how good they are. they were always going to have to spend money to lift them out of mid table, let alone even more to get them to the top of it. One other thing is that they've never fallen away from competing at the top. Its happened to united since sir alex, to chelsea when they've sacked countless managers and liverpool for a long period of mediocrity. Arsenal are the best example though, poorly run ever since they moved to the emirates, money may not have been in their control at all times, especially under wenger, but city really could be their template. A powerhouse in english football that wants to play possesion and show why its called the beautiful game. theyve done well this season and its great to see young players lke saka and smith rowe performing so well, thats what arsenal should be.
@@piston707 just wait till United fans see this
“Lmao, ur talking shit Man City oil plastic club I want a penalty for that bullshit”
@@crimsoncityzen5282 cry more i wanna hear more tears😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
👏👏
Hictor u just said a whole lot of nothing 😂😂😂
@Honest Pionel Pepsi Fan! man united be like
Ok here’s the plan
Spend more than city
Dive
Wail for penalties
Lose a lot
And complain at them about spending
The hate for City’s success and greatness and how they have changed the style and play of English football is becoming quite clear and evident lol
Facts lol
because they bought it. what they have done would be a massive achievement if they didn’t spend ridiculous amounts
@@bux4332 there's teams that have spended a lot, and they are not even close to man city sucess, so I don't belive they bougth it
@@ruiiziinhoo they havent spent nearly as much though. Also man city werent anything without their money these other teams were like man utd, therefore they bought their success
@@bux4332 You can't say if you gave any English club the amount of money city got in 2008 they would be guaranteed were city are now. Loads of clubs wouldve completely fucked it with wrong signings, spending all at once or whatever the problem would be. Yes city won the lottery but they was smart with the winnings and created an unstoppable force over the years. It could've gone another way and people don't realise this.
"Not enough to put Ramsdale in net" I'm crying😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
City are going to be at the top for the next 30+ years, after that they WILL be a bigger club then Arsenal, Robbie doesn't seem to understand that history can be made.
Possibly. Will be a big moment when Pep goes...
Robbie is delusional. His only seen Arsenal win 6 League titles in his lifetime. That's the same amount as Man City.
Things might change if pep goes
@@jonathanmurrin5827 what he made that team would still remain tho tbh
@@5thdawg917 exactly there’s something wrong with him
“City have no history” we won the FA cup before Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool + United and won a european trophy before Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. We obviously dont have a history as big as United/Liverpool etc but to say we have NO history is just a blatant lie.
Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa are more historic than Citeh
City have no history
City have no history
Agreed City is a big club
Hahahaha you shitty fans think your club is anywhere near as big as Arsenal? You dont even have a europa league to your name 😭😭 You have less than half of our league titles, were the dominant team in england for a far longer period than shitty ever have been, we have the MOST fa cups in england, are ranked 2nd for all time points in england history (city not even in the top 6 lmao). Dont ever compare arsenal to your small club please, its disrespectful, our badge alone is bigger than your entire institution
Every time I think about the end of Wenger’s tenure at Arsenal I always think about the Quote from the Dark Knight, “you either die the hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain”.
There's a lot of similarities with these 2 teams. Not just the players like he mentioned buying many Arsenal players Anelka, Seaman, KoloToure, Adebayor, StuartTaylor, Vieira, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna etc... and also Lee Dixon who supported ManCity growing up but played many years at Arsenal etc...
But both have not won the champions league and have a really bad CL record with few semi-final appearances and only 1 final each.
Also look at Arsenal's 5 PL seasons 1994/95 to 1998/99
(1) 94/95: 12th (out of 22, so finished above 10 teams).
(2) 95/96: 5th
(3) 96/97: 3rd (ManUtd won)
(4) 97/98: 1st (Won their first PL title by half a point, doing the double over ManUtd was imperative).
(5) 98/99: 2nd with 78pts (ManUtd got their trophy back).
Arsenal also won 1 FAcup in this 5 year period, ManUtd won 3 out of 5 PL titles.
ManCity 5 PL seasons from 2008/09 to 2012/13
(1) 2008/09: 10th (Out of 20, so finished above 10 teams).
(2) 2009/10: 5th
(3) 2010/11: 3rd (ManUtd won)
(4) 2011/12: 1st (Won their first PL title by half a point, doing the double over ManUtd was imperative).
(5) 2012/13: 2nd with 78pts (ManUtd got their trophy back).
ManCity also won 1 FAcup in this 5 year period, ManUtd won 3 out of 5 PL titles.
In the next 7 seasons for Arsenal
(1) 99/00 2nd (In CL lost to Barca)
(2) 00/01 2nd (In CL lost 1-0 in Munich to Bayern in group stage but didn't lose at home to them, played at the StadioOlympico and also got knocked out by Spanish team who played in the final that year).
(3) 01/02 1st
(4) 02/03 2nd (78 pts)
(5) 03/04 1st (unprecedented PL season with no losses, Champions league quarter finalists)
(6) 04/05 2nd (won FAcup)
(7) 05/06 4th
In the next 7 seasons for ManCity
(1) 13/14 1st (In CL lost to Barca)
(2) 14/15 2nd (In CL lost 1-0 in Munich to Bayern in group stage but didn't lose at home to them, played at the Stadio Olympico and also got knocked out by Spanish team who played in the final that year).
(3) 15/16 4th
(4) 16/17 3rd (78pts)
(5) 17/18 1st (unprecedented PL season with 100points, Champions league quarter finalists)
(6) 18/19 1st (Won FAcup)
(7) 19/20 2nd
Overall PL positions equal to exact same average.
By the way incase any of you are confused as to why I say won by 'half a point'. It means you either won on GD or you won by 1 point but with worse GD than eventual 2nd, so in both cases the team finishing 2nd would've finished 1st if they scored just 1 more point than they did, wouldn't have been level they would've been above, so you only really won by half a point.
Like in away goal rule 2 leg ties if you draw 0-0 away 1st leg and you're in the middle of the 2nd leg winning 1-0 you only have half a goal lead really as you'll be eliminated if it finishes 1-1 it won't be a tie.
Jack grealish is a flop. Smith rowe has been better. Coming from a spurs fan
Jack grealish
he’s not a flop stop being reactionary
@@vt5071 stop arguing with fax
@Dantralius agreed, i dont think grealish’s position is on the left. He should play in the midfield
He’s not a flop, he’s just not a stand-out player like he was at Villa. He used to be surrounded by players who were below his level and now he is surrounded by players who are on his level or above it, so he doesn’t stand out at all. If he’s helping city win games then he isn’t really a flop but I guess people were expecting him to become the new messi so it seems like he underperformed
@Dantralius ofc you would say that if he wasn’t English you’ll be ripping into him but to be fair it doesn’t matter if he is flop he plays for man city where you take a sick leave you will not be missed and still win a medal
I find big club talk to be so irrelevant. I am an Arsenal fan and agree with Steve on this issue. I would rather win trophies.
I think alot of us agree but Arsenal are a bigger club
Arsenal regardless are a bigger club with history
@@serene1915 Well duh. But we want trophies.
Man city could become a bigger club than us in 10yrs tbf, history comes with time so this big club better history rubbish is dumb, that won't be relevant in the next ten years if we continue going trophyless and city keep winning trophies.
@@serene1915 history FC. How many premier league titles you won in the past 5 years?
It's a question of who's the bigger club. But in terms of trophy recently, it's obviously City. But in the grand scheme of things, Arsenal are much bigger.
Two gud passionate lads about there teams great vid
My younger brother came up to me saw Robbie and was like “is that Lacazette” 🤣💀
😂😂😂
Steve's banter is TOP!! No one can forget Sweeeeing in the Car Park 😂😂
Nice to see 2 fans that are honest & aren't fully deluded to just make an argument
robbie is one of the most deluded people in the world 😂
literally just saw this guy on live tv in saudi arabia watching manchester city play the club world cup dedicated fan.
Can we run this video again after our treble win💪🏼
as a mancity fan i totally agree with rob, smith rowe has been a better player than grealish this season
Grealish doesn’t start
@@ajayjaggernauth8500 coz he can’t get into the starting 11 😂
Maybe but you can’t tell me grealish isn’t a better player than smith rowe and that you would rather have grealish than him
Everyone in the comments arguing over ESR & Grealish when the question was about if anyone gets in Citys starting XI. I think its fair to say Grealish isnt in the Starting XI if Pep plays his first team. Basically arguing if ESR gets on Citys bench :D
Facts
Factos
Given the players they have, making their bench is very respectable.
Moved from arsenals bench to cities bench.
@@JamesHussain82 I guess you’re right. But he has been in the starting line up for more than he has been on the bench. He revived our season last season. He’s not a bench warmer at arsenal
There’s a reason why they went invincible and no one else has it’s the same reason they DONT have a ucl and the other top clubs do except city. When you get to March/April if your winning the league you prioritise the champions league and other comps and the ucl knockouts and rest players. Which allows for slip ups. Arsenal didn’t and it’s the same reason they won nothing else that season. That simple really.
I'm an Arsenal fan but I think the centurions had better team in terms of squad but I think the first 11 for the invinsibles was the best and most balanced first 11 in the Prem's history (1992 onwards)
Centurions 100 point is run of the mill according to Robbie..a record never achieved before in history. These teams have two amazing records to celebrate... invincibles and centurions.
As an arsenal fan it's beautiful to watch this city fan speak about his journey as a city fan. From division two to Bernabeu. What a story. We all wish we had oil money.
You talk as of arsenal is broke lil club, but in actual fact, it’s one of the richest clubs in thr world.
Your American owner is one of the richest man in the world. Blame him for not spending the money. While, city’s owners spend on getting good players.
“we all wish we had oil money” now stop acting like your club is poor 😭 y’all have spent a lot of money too lmao, stop with this narrative against city
arsenal where buying and pay some of the highest fees and wages for years
Robbie is chatting out of his arse most of the times. Love you big Steve you absolute legend. Representing all the proper City fans around the globe💙💙🥺
We need more of these type of football related videos.
After the first Statement already you can't take the city fan serious 💀
Manchester City being a bigger club than Arsenal? LMAO!
They're not even a big club in their OWN city! LMFAO!!!
Any real football fan knows this is facts.
but then smashed you 5-0
@@DaveyTheFloater that’s not really relevant in being a bigger club, what
@@joevine7213 just means we are better
@@DaveyTheFloater means ur owners are rich*
Very moving speech that in the end!
Beautiful sentiment regarding life as a city fan from Big Steve…and I’m a United fan. Reminds you of the essence of football fan hood
I'm neither an arsenal fan nor a city fan but I think Smith Rowe has really proved that he has it to become a great footballer, when it comes to dribbling along with running no one comes close to Smith Rowe. Atm Grealish has been used extremely wide by Pep and hence he can't cut in and contribute much but their comparison is wrong as Grealish should start to be in his prime and Rowe has been the senior league for a couple of years
Arsenal fan here.
Smith Rowe isn't really a dribbler, that's more of Saka's thing but he's ability to pick up the ball and run with it and find the back of the net so consistently is what really makes him stand out for us. Gave us goals when were struggling for them.
He's been far better than Grealish this season.
@@vanillaoverchocolate5440 you’re wrong. You don’t know how to watch football, probably still really young. He’s a fantastic dribbler of the football. You don’t need to tricks to dribble, you only have to beat your man, and he’s good at that
@@user-io8cm4dk1f well okay then
@@darthvadar2915 I don't mind being wrong about this, he is an Arsenal player so that's better for us.
I haven't noticed it but that's just my take.
Neither would start in City's strongest team anyway
Ramsdale OVER Ederson .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not an arsenal fan, but purely this season I'd back Ramsdale.
i love ramsdale but give him a year before you say hes better than ederson surely
Ramsdale is better
You can't just rate a keeper who has only performed well for few months and has yet to experience playing in Europe let alone champions league against a keeper who has done it for year's at a higher level
Ederson been letting a few through his hands this season
Well said mate. Cheers from Man City fans in Indonesia!
Love these debates even if they aren’t my team
Good job lad bible
Would love derby vs forest 😂